Elaine Ingham on Molasses in your Compost Tea? How to make Fungal Composts
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- Опубліковано 10 вер 2016
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I wish people like Elaine had a show like Keeping up with the Kardashian’s, but instead for the intelligent minds like Elaine. Keeping up with the biologists, wouldn’t be as popular to the general public but God knows I’d watch it. 😂
She would need to mention she was a lesbian and would have to wear short shorts and use alot of slang until then the twits will rule the world haha sadly
Matt just downloaded you book, I want to thank you for not being selfish with your knowledge. May you always be blessed. Thank you, thank you
thanks Matt for these. I'm looking forward to the webinar this Thursday. Daniel
thanks for bringing this to us Matt, excellent content.
been studying for 20 years and dots are starting to connect, … i think
thanks for this insight.
Matt Powers, thank you so much for your generosity. Your free ebook contains more valuable and usable information than several expensive permaculture books I have. Of course, I subscribed.
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Love the video bro! Time to watch it again
I can listen to this all day and when I’m sleeping lol wonderful material always! Thank You!
I love that woman.
She is amazing, I love her to....
I'm thinking use my own compost to make my own humic acid to grow my own fungi. I am so looking forward to taking the classes!
Thanks William!!!
@@ThePermacultureStudent I have been using my Celestron Labs Microscope for months now, and loving it. I just saw a lot of good fun guys (LOL) fungi in my last batch of compost.
You guys have taught me so much. I am making a food forest here in Tucson, AZ and aiming at not watering at all. Sonoran Desert Smesert!
Also, my wife just bought me what I need to start bubbling some compost tea! Time to produce some sticky bacteria for the leaves! And tons of fun guys!
Nice. I've typically just thrown kitchen scraps and large amounts of leaves and let it decay over the winter. Native soil is pretty sandy and gravely so aeration in soil is good, just got to wait for mass matter to decompose lol. Soil was extremely loose after the previous year and grew volunteer squash with limited light enormously. I didn't take care of it though, but it still gave me 6 or 7 squashes.
Thank you for your honest work and words learned a lot
Fish heads from the local monger. Old school. Still works. Tidewater Va. watermen harvest menhaden as a CA$H CROP to sell to local farmers who sell the BEST roadside veggies on the way to the Outer Banks. That land has been farmed for 400 years. So has the Chesapeake (aquaculture farming).
You are way above my head on this
Go to any grow store and ask about making compost tea, humic acids and fish hydrolysate (sp).
I've probably watched this video 20 times or more (love to review it, especially when I am getting ready to make compost teas).
Do you have a video on how to make fungal compost tea?
@@analyticalhabitrails9857 I do. It's in my videos tab called 'My Compost Tea Regime & Routine'. It's the JMS tea you will see in it.
Hi Matt. Great video
That's interesting. Did she ever publish any papers on those experiments on the products that killed the bacteria and fungi? That'd be a good read.
Great content thank you very much!
Excellent info.
This is awesome
Man, awesome... Thanks Doc!!
I love elaine ♥
I've heard the chitin and chitosan will also intensify the scent of your Lamiaceae because the plant thinks it's under attack from insects. People use insect frass or used shrimp shells for this, I believe.
that's an awesome observation - I know from John Kempf's work on the Plant Health Pyramid what's happening: it's triggering ISR and SAR (both immunological systems within plants) and at the same time increasing PSM (plant secondary metabolites) which are their defense mechanisms too (terpenes, flavonoids, etc.) so it's the smell and taste of plants that is the final stage of health and why we all can taste test for best :)
Best comment of the day/week -
@@ThePermacultureStudent what video did he talk about this?
find a large white or red pine that has been down for 2 years or so.....bring a big knife..... open up the bark and you will find gallons and gallons of frass.....add a hint of lime, rest it for a few weeks.... add it to your compost tea...... I have literally collected dozens and dozens if this frass..... get a big tree and it will be thumb thick under that bark.
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So greteful so happy for the free assume book
Beautiful sharing❤❤😘😘
Thanks!!
So THAT's why my grandma always planted fish guts/carcasses in her flower beds! Grandma knew how to grow great flowers
I currently make bokashi for my compost. I just created new garden beds and amend my soil with humic acid. I love the idea of making my own humic acid. So at what stage do you use your compost to make humic acid? If I have bokashi in my compost is that a problem with making Humic acid?
Is there a clearing house of information on which makers of fish hydrolosate are best... Like Consumer Reports does for tools and such?
Hello mam, i have potted fruit trees, 5 gallons to 15 or so. I heard fungal is more preferred for trees as they attach to roots and expand to get nutrients. But for potted plants, does this matter? Wouldnt bacteria tea be better in this case? Thank you
Great video, thanks for sharing. Question, we have a pile of green waste compost. When it was delivered it was way too hot. We didn't know any better so we spread it out over the garden. In retrospect what would of the been the best thing to do? Could we add inoculations to it? Or just let it sit for a few months ?
Thanks again really find your information useful and our first compost pile we built is looking great !!
@@Slug002 no William, it was being sold as "compost" from a compost facility. It was just all fibrous, way too hot and had matured at all
How long can you store tea?? And how
So, we use USED coffee grounds because the water strips the acid, neutralizing it, making it good to use in compost for bacteria microbes, correct? .... does that mean that one could use the actual coffee product, the coffee you drink as a humid acid replacement? with the acid in there, could we use that as a benifet to a FUNGAL compost tea, or to boost fungal growth in a yard or for trees? Or add to my bacterial dominant soil to make it more fungal dominant?
What kind of acid is in coffee?
I have a Q. If I want to charge up Biochar. Should I skip the Molasses? Just mix in fresh worm castings and kale and Moringa leaves for nutritious Nitrogen? Maybe add something like Ful-humix supplement?
humic acid, fish hydrolysate (not heated or treated with chemicals), chitosan (from crab/shrimp shells) fungal foods...blessings
Are you sure that the liquid dropping off from the compost (compost leachate) is full of beneficial bacteria? I have the impression that compost leachate is composed essentially by fulvic and humic acids. On top, I ha read that the majority of the bacteria in compost liquid are the anaerobic bacteria that develop in the fermentation occurring while composting (even if we attempt to minimalized the fermentation).In this case, it there is risk that it is pathogenic bacteria so it is advice to not spread it on your vegetable garden.... Do you have an opinion and an advice whether to apply compost leachate directly on vegetable garden or not? Thank you
Is it okay to use water with chloramine/chlorine to extract humic acid from compost?
How much to dilute that home made humic acid
And when making it how much water to how much lbs of compost
I make my own fish hydroslate using a lactic acid extraction and I make a homemade chitosan JADAM style and it’s a powerful combo never used them in compost tea but there’re much as effective by themselves grasshoppers don’t even touch the leaves and growth is explosive
expand haha
Do you have a video on how to make it?
Ok so where to get good fish hydrolosate and chitisan?
What fish hydrolysate brand does she recommend? She said it was called natures something. I didn't catch the full name.
What are the 2 components she is talking about at the end? Caitan and caitasan or something like that...
I was just reading that some companies will put phosphoric acid in the their hydrolysate, and after some research learned that phosphoric acid is a bacterialcide.
Alex Hammel
They all do because apparently it's the only way to stop the microbial activity. If you don't like phosphoric acid, then you have to make your own hydrolysate. That's the only way around it.
Also, everything kills microbes at some concentration, even sugar. So phosphoric acid is perfectly safe for your microbes so long as it's diluted enough. Thankfully, at a ratio of 1 to 500, there's not enough P-acid in fish hydrolysate to kill most microbes.
It's worth pointing out two additional things. First, for whatever is worth, phosphoric acid (despite being a mineral acid) is approved for use in certified USDA "organic" production, which is why fish hydrolysate is approved for organic use.
Second, in small amounts, phosphoric acid forms naturally in the soil and is quickly either absorbed by a root or fungus (feeding those organisms) or neutralised by something (like a carbonate compound).
So, Phos-acid isn't "bad," and it shouldn't be demonized. However, it's very strong and needs to be used carefully in order to achieve certain goals. A gardener is wise to know how to use phos-acid helpfully and avoid using it when it isn't necessary. Organic hydrolysates are well preserved with the addition of small amounts of phos-acid, so that's a potentially good use of it.
Hey I just built a 24 gallon brewer after hearing the doc on Joe Gardener! Perfect! So does this mean that I should collect the humic acid and put it into my compost tea brew? And is she saying add fish hydrosolate into the brewer or into the compost pile that supplies it. Sorry I'm new, hahaha.
Hydrolosate for brewing & humic acid can be added to brews YES :) You got this!!
Can this be kept in the fridge?
What brand of fish hydrolysate is she talking about?
Do we have the source for the fish hydrolysate powder with chitin and chitosan that is mentioned? Thanks
Fishsh!t I think...
I love your eye squinting laugh.
Truth🤓📣 rewind everyone
What should a fungal dominate teas ph be?
Is Bacterial soil more Acidic or Alkaline? Thank you!
She needs a mic. I’ve got the volume turned all the way up, and it’s still hard to hear her.
This was early days for me before I had good equipment :) Lots of new videos with her now and TONS in the advanced course!
If I add my own humic acid to a bucket of tap water, will the chlorine and chloramines be neutralized? If so, how much humic acid does it take to do that? I know rain water would be best, but in Tucson, AZ... LOL
Thanks!
I am new to this. I am watching many videos online in order to learn. So far I watched about aerated compost tea (aerobic) and JADAM anaerobic solutions. Can we use aerobic and anaerobic solutions in the same raised bed and over the same plants?
You can - they just accomplish different things, and compost can have a HUGE range of effects depending on how you make it.
@@ThePermacultureStudent Thanks Matt
What was the brand name of fish hydrolysate with chitin and chitosan mentioned in the video?
'...solutions' Possibly this one: www.agriculturesolutions.ca/store
Or something with 'nature...' could be this one: www.naturespro.com/
What were the products that terminated the biology? We need to know who is reliable and who is bilking folks. Thank you
No answer? Wondering myself.
Just a shot in the dark, but perhaps there was some synthetic component or compound in the product, such as a stabilizing agent - your guess is as good as mine at this point!
When should we add the fish hydrolysate to our brew? At the start? At 12hrs,18,, or 24?
the start of the brew :)
Is Neptunes Harvest the fish hydrolosat you were talking about?
My guess it is. Cold pressed and is among the best of the best. Made in Gloucester, MA
Thanks for the video. I have a hard time believing sugars and salts are good for soil I just don’t see that. Compost tea all the way
can we make uses of Sugarcane Bagasse for mulching?
It's often the bagasse is left in piles and goes anaerobic. I'd increase surface area as much as possible and then sheet mulch with EM or compost tea to digest in place.
Regenerative farming CANNOT rely on fish emulsions, at least not at large scale. Our oceans are in even more dire state than our terrestrial lands - harsh as that is. I personally worked at a fish oil company once, and the practices are devastating for ecosystems. This world is one - terrestrial and oceanic.
I highly respect Dr. Elaine Ingham, but I think that she needs to expand her view even further. Taking from a dying ocean to revitalize dying lands is not a path that can lead to regeneration. Of course, there are small quantities of fish emulsion that may be produced in an OK manner - but Elaine is talking to masses of gardeners and farmers that certainly out-scale Nature's globally available supply of fish hydrolysate.
Excellent points - you can get fungal compost and compost teas other ways :) 100% correct! Have you checked out the Johnson-Su Method?
Nobody is sayin you gotta use sockeye and bluefin tuna to fertilize your garden. May be an idea to team up with a sustainable fish farm.
@@PoochDoobieor fish scraps and byproducts perhaps
Sugar is a fungal food. That is why bakers add sugar when they are making bread - to feed the yeast fungus. Ants also like sugar.
But in this context we are dealing with soil fungi, so that doesn't come into it. Yeasts feeding on sugars is more the exception to the rule in the Fungal Queendom as well: fungi breakdown complex compounds and bacteria primarily breakdown simple compounds. There are exceptions like chitinase and yeast though.
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Gday from Australia, how does the average gardener at home quantify that there is fact an increase in beneficial microbiology activity occurring in the finished brew? What simple test could show me the difference that has occurred from the starting point of aeration of brew to the end
Probably best to get yourself Microscope and have a look yourself.
but whats a good source of fish hydrolysate?
Neptune's Harvest it's made in Gloucester, MA Cold pressed... this is the good stuff.
Hi Matt!
What sort of fungi are actually promoted by Fungal Compost Teas? Single Celled Fungi? Multicellular? Filamentous Fungi?
Soil yeasts are ubiquitous and endophytic so they are important, but you're right: mycorrhizal fungi don't promote this way at all ;)
What's really interesting is the fungal compost tea is really an inoculant of "condition" and the context determines the expression. Like Bruce Lipton's the stimulus and context determine the cell expression.
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@@ThePermacultureStudent cool! I know AM fungal spores will germinate and lose viability in the brewer. I suppose some filamentos fungi could grow in the líquid medium.
I've a question: Is humic acid the same as liquid carbon?
liquid carbon as in the term used by the female AU soil expert who's name eludes me this morning lol - NO they are not the same. What she's describing colloquially is the carbon used in trade - the sugars that Elaine Ingham refers to which are made of C, H, & O from Photosynthesis. Liquid carbon is less scientific so that's why I've avoided referencing that lady who's awesome and doing great work, but I'm veering more and more towards folks that can use scientific language that's more readily understood and accessible. Liquid carbon sounds cool but simplifies a beautiful orchestra that itself needs our respect.
Okay so I am new to gardening have started a compost and didn't know at first not to use water out of the hose because of the chlorine. I fear I killed everything. I was going to put pond muck and molasses in it. I have put mushrooms and mushroom compost. Most of the greens, almost all are seaweed and seagrass. Bull kelp and bladder wrack thru the chipper, dried reeds, bit of cardboard but I don't like it so no more. Leaves and dried grass I gather. I was thinking of buying innoculant online. Maybe u can talk about that. Oh yeah I dug up rotten logs and broke those apart and put them in there. I could see the mycelium in it. I put any old dead polypore mushrooms I find in there too. I don't have old compost to innoculate with and I live on a sand bar in the Pacific Ocean. Coast of Washington state.
Also how well does compost do make using seaweed as the only green material besides some long strait thick leaves from a fern type marsh plant near the shore but in the alder forest for airiness.
Thanks so much
Humic acids complex chlorine and chloramine so run water passively through compost to get humic acid and then use that in a dropper one drop at a time until the watering water tinges yellow/brown.
I hope this isn't a stupid question, but is the humid acid the fungal tea or do you then mix this with water and aerate it?
Sorry, I just need to rephrase my question. Would I use the same recipe as I typically would for a bacterial compost tea - I use vermicompost, kelp, rock dust, & molasses, then omit the molasses and substitute the homemade humid acid and brew for....how long?
Woooooow
What is the recipe for making a fungal dominated compost tea according to her ?
I showcase her basic recipe + my own additions to that recipe here: ua-cam.com/video/gLC8WeW7Uvo/v-deo.html
@@ThePermacultureStudent Thank you!
I just seen a bunch of video saying compost tea does nothing more then regular compost as the extra biology dies off on application - this is polar opposite. So confused!!! How can there be such a difference in opinions?
There's a whole host of reasons for this - this is why I've gone down to the individual microbes and done the DNA sequencing on compost. Have you read Regenerative Soil yet? That will help - the reality is all these folks that you mention in your comments and are listening to have pieces of the truth: they have contextual and situational practices of success that have limits and ranges of performance. Mapping those out has been my focus and work. Sticking within the frame of reference is key, and mostly online folks generalize and lay ideas across frames of reference. I leave this video up because it shows the history and development of understanding in this space over time. (this is an old video)
Is it possible to have a living soil system in a potted plant indoors? After harvest can I just chop the plant and replant a seed or transplant into the same pot?
I have a video on this: The Closet Garden, and YES you can: ua-cam.com/video/EgvE92ZERN0/v-deo.html
@@ThePermacultureStudent thanks! Just wondering, how are the worms doing in there? Do they reproduce? Can they survive after a compost tea has been applied to the soil?
@@ThePermacultureStudent I've always wanted worms but, I thought they'd end up dying so I thought I'd spare them the pain lol
@@CaspianCEO they love teas! Watch the video and you'll see I have worms :)
@@ThePermacultureStudent Yeah I watched it loool that's why I asked about how they do with teas. Thanks so much bro, your channel is really good and full of information. New sub here 🌱
I thought sugar feeds fungus in the human body? Is it different in soil?
Sugar feeds yeasts for sure, but in the soil yeasts are not dominant because sugar levels are high only in isolated pockets. The fungi you'll encounter in compost is far more likely to feed on decomposing organic matter though soil yeasts do exist.
I don't understand. Elaine says to add humic acid to your compost, but get the humic acid FROM the compost. I don't understand
Do you find a source of fungal foods, make compost with it, then add humic acid to a second compost pile? Can someone please explain?
Humic acids from compost go into compost teas - that's her forte and what she's talking about.
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I am experimenting making compost tea. My receipt consists of two gallon of tap water I let sit for two days with an aquarium bubbler.
To remove the chlorine and other chemicals in city water. One cup of cow manure which I previously added ground up bananas, coffee grounds and egg Shells, two spoons of maple syrup. I run the pump for three days. I add 1/4 cup per gallon of potted plant once a week.
Opinions appreciated
results?
Hi, i know this is an old vid but i really like to understand if cannabis plants like fungal or bacterial ? What does the plant want more of ? thanks in advance !
Hi, all plants need a certain levels of fungi and bacteria…I believe that your question should be is if cannabis is fungal or bacteria dominated plant. I know that Sun Hemp is used more often as a cover crop for farming so maybe that would be a good avenue to investigate this.
@@terrygabriel5945 i found the answer, for marijuana the ideal ratio is 1:1 and for hemp 1 : 0.5 .
@@johnnyorbithempvisions2049 Thats good to know because I do have friends who are getting into hemp oils. Have you done any compost extracts yet on any of your soils.
@@terrygabriel5945 Not yet, but i will get to the US next year and help a buddy in need.
@@terrygabriel5945 My advise is to look at dr. Elaine Ingham vids. She is the one to go to when it's about real organic biological soil
Stupid question. Isnt it cheaper to buy or grow fish and bury it under the compost?????
Is this still best practice?
For Elaine's compost tea, there's a bit more sophistication on exact recipes, but this is still on point. I'd say there's a mountain more you can do to increase fungal diversity, sink carbon, and increase plant health and that's why I wrote the new book Regenerative Soil: www.thepermaculturestudent.com/shop/regenerative-soil-science-amp-solutions-manual-pre-order
@@ThePermacultureStudent I appreciate the response Matt! I've been binging on all your vids since I found you through Morags channel. Much respect brother! 🙏 Would love to get the book but things are tight at the moment. Hopefully in the future. ♥
What was that?? Kytan and Kytastan?
chitin ;) glad you are diving into this! This is exactly the kind of thing we'll dive deeper into and create more functional clarity in the new kickstarter - I hope you join us!! :) :) :) www.kickstarter.com/projects/mattpowers/permaculture-soil-science-and-solutions-book-and-course
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What I'm understanding from this video is that if you have a normally healthy soil, you don't need compost tea. If you don't have a normally healthy soil, compost tea may help you. Although, I'm not quite convinced that if you don't have a normally healthy soil you need to use compost tea ... simply add compost and water.
Almost! Compost, water, and mulch is the holy trinity of gardening. Don't forget to mulch!
To me, (aerated) compost teas are for targeted remediation. Depending on one's brewing method, one can use them to produce solutions rich in acids, enzymes, and other secondary metabolites, and those can help "condition" soil making it less hospitable to "bag guys" and encouraging "good guys" to move in. But it goes way beyond merely microbes!
fish good
Does a fungal tea still foam? I know mollasses makes it foam so will it foam without the mollasses?
foam is a byproduct of incomplete cycling of nutrients from Elaine's new book I was helping with before I got really busy
Great QUESTION!!!!
@@ThePermacultureStudent ok so if i understand correctly if its not foaming thats ok?
@@jonsmith7504 Ideally you want all the nutrients to be cycling so yes not foaming good :)
@@ThePermacultureStudent thanks for the response
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I’m having real difficulty catching your words. Please bring microphone near.
This was confusing.
Much easier to start with the textbook reading to get the basics and then dive in - the textbook is FREE to download here: www.thepermaculturestudent.com/download-ps2-free
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I find it interesting that nobody wants to answer the damned question, which was asked directly, MANY times, as to what would be a good source (brand name) of fish hydrolysate with chitin and chitosan... almost made me think that Matt and Elaine are concerned with a law suit... we aren't asking which ones are junk... we just want some guidance as to a product that will do what we need and not waste our precious gardening funds...
I'm not playing coy on my end - I've never gotten a clear answer myself on which was her source, so I haven't been able to share it. In my book, Regenerative Soil, I have recipes for fungal compost teas and fungal compost. The most fungal compost I've ever tested was a Johnson-Su compost made of ONLY leaves from the neighborhood by a student in Utah - the data for this is in Regenerative Soil Microscopy including DNA sequencing. The high lignin of leaves provide a hardy fungal diet, so it remains a benefit that continues for years in situ. For making chitinase, I simply do IPMO or an insect frass focused compost/EM extension/etc. I leave these videos posted as they are part of the historical development of composting and soil science, but it's definitely older information at this point.
@@ThePermacultureStudent Thank you for your response Matt... I had the feeling you were more of an open book kinda guy, Elaine seems to keep her cards really close to the vest.
I have found two sources for fish hydrolysate that mention chitin or chitosan in their ingredient list. Advancing Eco Age has a product called SeaShield™ that is described as is a concentrated fish hydrolysate with micronized crab and shrimp shell. Agsol out of Canada sells SeaPack, which is described as "can be used in multiple ways to provide a full-spectrum palette of available mineral nutrition, bio-active nutrients, and chitin."
I'm not sure about shipping out of Canada, but I will note that shipping from AEA in Ohio to California is more expensive than the product... but I will be purchasing products from them.
I did try to post links to the products with my comments but it seems that YT didn't like that very much...
Does anyone know if fish need to by hydrolyzed to be effective fungal and some bacterial foods? It seems proteins are going to be more bacterial foods, so maybe an oily fish would be just as good as fish hydrolosates?
My soil is so sandy.. after years of her methods.. it's great... but the gophers keep me digging and breaking my mycelium.. uhgg!