I run the same truck. The ‘lag’ is actually for emissions reasons. If you put lots of fuel in at low rpm’s then the engine smokes and the DPF plugs up faster. So they back the fuel off until the engine gets more air then they pump up the fuel. If you roll on the throttle just ahead of the rpms climbing you can catch it off guard and get some real power out of it. If you just mash the throttle it will lag. Also you can go from 2wd to 4hi at highway speeds. I do it at 60 mph all the time. With the winters up here in Canada you have to go in and out all the time. Love the vids.
@S W That's not actually accurate. The reason for the lag is torque management. With 1,000+ torque the tranny, driveshaft and/or axles will be destroyed at low rpm. Torque management will be incorporated upon initial acceleration, between shifts and is incorporated into the lower gears at all times. Sucks but get why they do it.
@@rsg1963 ram states there is no torque management. So I can’t confirm or deny what you state, but I’ve had three of these trucks and RAM has said there is none. So who really knows.
@@resharddurdley6987 I get the purpose behind torque management, rigs have been doing it forever. RAM has stated they don’t do it, but I know it’s a topic of conversation within the forums. Wether they do it or not, emissions is also at play. I haven’t found anyone that has left the trucks completely stock with emissions and just programmed the torque management out. Nothing else changed, and see if the trucks still de-fuel do to emissions. Would be an interesting experiment.
I doubt it will be here in June if you just ordered it. I placed my order for a 3500 HO Laramie on 1/11. That was 14 weeks ago and it still has not shipped from Mexico. Ram Diesels are about 18 weeks out now on orders.
@@lwilde0422 the dealer told me 14 weeks, but I got an email from ram customer care saying it will arrive June 6th along with my VIN. I’m not sure how accurate it is. I was super surprised. I’m going to post a video once it arrives. Is yours a dually or non dually. I got non dually.
@@ryanbarragan8242 I ordered a fully loaded Laramie crew cab short box single rear wheel HO/Aisin in Pearl White. My dealer told me 12 weeks back in January. Here i am 14 weeks later and it is still sitting in Mexico waiting for computer chips. I got my vin about 30 days after I placed the order. Truck was built about 30 days after that. How did you get an email from ram customer care? Did your dealer sign you up? I have got nothing from them. I am just calling my sales representative every week
@@lwilde0422 Dude that sounds like a badass truck! That is so shitty that it's been so long, I hope I don't run into the same delays. I just double-checked the email I got and it looks like my dealer signed me up for it, I was sent the email and the general manager was CC on it. I did make my deal through the General Manager and Director at my dealership.
Great looking 21 I would do without a few of those options for a 50 gallon tank my local dealer spec's out there 1 ton the same way for 2022 a 50 gal tank should be standard on all 2500/3500 gas and diesel short bed or long
Thank you for the review I think you’re the first person to have compared these trucks back to back.Keep in mind something I am a heavy truck mechanic I can tell you that when the truck is brand new they don’t always give you all the power. First off the engines are tight they are brand new , The rings are not seated they will perform a lot better after 10,000 miles or so,Especially if you do some heavy towing. Some manufacturers program into the PCM a reduced power mode for the first thousand miles or so this may be more so on the newer higher output version. Once the engine gets say 50 hours on it that will go away and you’ll get the full power. I don’t know if ram does this or not, but it’s a possibility.I think the bigger test Between 1000 and 1075 ftlb version be when your towing
You are correct about reducing performance because my truck feels quicker in comparison to a new RAM. I typically will only launch a new truck once just to keep from effecting proper break in 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork I’m glad you noticed it with your own truck it’s very noticeable it seems like if the truck is kept up well it will keep gaining power right up to at least 100,000 miles maybe even longer depending on how well the emissions systems hold up. I heard you commenting about the delay in the pedal I’ll be honest with you that is pretty common with Cummins we have L9 engines in our international and Mack trucks and they also have a slight delay it really is more to do with the emission system and I honestly believe that it reduces soot loading and is there for long term durability. Ram seems to take longevity pretty seriously,And they should especially considering how many ppl are hotshotting with them.
The best unmentioned upgrade is going back to the cp3 pump from the cp4. Might feel the same, but one truck will outlast the other without dealer visits.
Another awesome video! I’ve been eyeing a new Ram 2500 Cummins with the night package. I really want the Level 2 convenience package but don’t want to pay for it 😂
I've drove one of the chevys duramax s I don't know where you think they are winning because it is really bad lag even running down the road stepping on it you have to hold the pedal down for it to pickup
Hey JB, I appreciate the video and comparison but the Ram is a different beast IMO. The Ford and GM have the V8's and the 10 speeds but the Rams are built to tow for the long term. I'm finding out through some friends of mine that have 2017 or newer Ford and GM trucks that they are fast but for some reason they are having issues. Both of their trucks are stock, so they aren't pushing them like crazy. Anyways, great video as always, I appreciate your want for more from RAM.
@@JB_WhoWork i agree when the truck is empty. I think it shines a bit more when its loaded down. Those other two trucks have transmissions that are pretty new and we don't know what they will look like after 100k miles for the most part. The Aisin, while lacking some refinement is a proven transmission that will go the distance. I agree with you that if Ram could strike a deal with Allison on a true Allison built transmission then it will be hard for the competition for sure. A stock inline 6 will still have a hard time drag racing a V8 tho. Keep those videos rolling.
Same truck that I purchased back in June. I love it although I didn't need the HO.....it just happened to have one. Mileage thus far sucks but it's all been stop and go city driving. I'll see what it does when I go on a trip. Fuel's getting expensive though. Ugh.
Don't feel bad I bought a 2021 Superduty. I figured the Ford had a lot more stock power and they both have stupid CP4 Ram needs to announce there yearly changes much faster.
I believe the reason for the difference in speed is related to gearing. The Diesel engines do not rev that fast and are plenty powerful to move the truck. So opposite to a car the lower ratio will actually accelerate faster. This is due to Less time shifting and more in gear applying power to ground.
I'm not gonna make it an excuse for Ram because they do need to update their stuff, however something I needs to be taken into account is the stall speed of the converter. The lower stall speed will make the converter more efficient at a lower RPM, and so if you have a Ford or a GM and Ram put them on a hill and literally just let the brake go on drive the ram ball go up the hill easier because a converter is more efficient and lower RPMs. Vice versa at higher are you RPMs the converter is going to start and it won't be as efficient and will feel extremely slow, this is why the 68 RFE feels faster than the AISIN. When your flooring at the converter won't lock as easily and so it will feel extremely slow. If you want to feel the torque on it, you have to wait until it ships into fourth gear and the locks it's torque converter and it is in her lower p.m. and just give it about 10% throttle and you'll feel the difference since it has a direct connection with the engine. for towing purposes i this low speed converter makes sense because it will get off the line easier we get without giving it too much throttle and giving you colder temperatures since there is less slippage. I'm tow hall mode the torque converter will lock up in second gear and stay locked throughout the gear ranges. This is why people describe the Cummins engine as having a torquier feeling But if you want to get to the weeds of it, you cannot physically feel Torque because torque is not a measurement of work, it is a measurement of a force that is turning, and the force can either be delivered slowly or fast and depending at what speed the force is being delivered we call that a measurement of work, or horsepower typically when people describe a torque feeling, what they are actually feeling is low RPM horsepower that is generated by a high amount of torque. But what they are truly feeling is horsepower
Enjoyed the video JB. I had to go to the subscription to see the video I did get notified that you posted a new video. Seems to be a problem cause it has happened with other subscriptions also. Nice truck, I would have thought Ram would have talked with Aisin about adding at least an eight speed transmission for 2021. If I was to get a Ram the HO with Aisin and 4.10 now that is a hauler brother.
Thanks Ric, I can see a Delmonico Red RAM Pulling your Cardinal once the 5th gen comes out. I keep hearing noise that the 10 speeds in the Ford/GM HD’s are having issues.... I’m ok with the Aisin for now 👍🏾
Ngl. The mega cab is good and all but the crew cab is plenty. And leg room shouldn’t be an issue. Went on a job in my truck some months ago with my self, my father, and two guys that work for us. My father and I are both 6’5”. And the guys in the back were 6’4” and 5’10” none of us were cramped 🤷♂️ I’ve ridden in the back myself and no issues. The only thing I miss is the behind the seat storage
The delay is almost certainly an emissions trick. My Chevy Cruze diesel has the same thing. My duramax L5P, not as much, but it's still there. S W mentioned this, and I agree that it's to prevent a big puff of sooty smoke from hitting the DPF. Could it also be torque management? Sure, but I think it's primarily an emissions thing. PS. I just heard your pitch for subs. I have now subscribed because I dig your style and appreciate your videos.
There is now a nationwide recall on the CP4 injection pump, due to a class action law suit. USA and Canada, when you’re going to get the new one is still the big question, but at least if your CP4 fails, you’ll be covered under the recall, but what I really like is the much bigger fuel tank. What were they thinking with the 2019 fuel tank?
The “dead pedal” with that 1 to 1.5 second delay is the only thing I don’t like about my 2021 Megacab dually HO Cummins. It makes city driving leas bearable. But I guess it is time for the banks power pedal commander that is supposed to cure that issue. Other than that the truck flat out “shits and gets” once you are in it. Glad I waited for the 2021. 3.5 month wait from date of order.
This maybe a stupid question, but can you use a convex style dually rims on a swb 3500, and something similar to the rims on the rear be it a normal rim or concave rim without messing the stability of the truck up?
Your tow rating will be different between 373 and 410 . My 2021 373 with 20 inch factory rims and factory 33.5 inch tires 4x4 3500 single rear wheel has no delay in response .
The Ford w/4.30s will definitely feel faster than a Ram w/ 3.73s. I really think Ram will make a splash with with either a full-on 5th-gen HD for 2022(just in time for the updated 1500 as well) or at the very least update the trans. Ford will be getting the new cab for 2022(and GM trucks will be getting overhauled), so there is no way Ram will cede that much ground. The truck is so good that I would settle for a transmission update.
I’m not too surprised. Gearing doesn’t always do what you think it will. 4.10 could be slower than 3.73 because it takes more revolutions of the pinion gear than the 3.73 in order to turn the tires 1 full revolution. The added torque and HP seems like just enough to keep the acceleration the same on these 2 trucks with the different gear ratios. We’re talking 5% more HP and 7.5% more torque with a difference of 9% on the gear ratios.
I own both, they are both doggy piles of poop compared to the fords in the fleet, detune the shit out of them and keep the pile of shit they call the 68rfe in one piece Also have the aisin with 410s hard inconsistent shifting that with only 6 gears still cannot find a place to sit at while pulling up hills
Good video. I think the torque management is a factor but I really think if you could see a dyno chart it would just show that power coming in at a weird rpm. Probably would have a spike somewhere near peak to just get that number. That’s my opinion on the power claims for all of the big three though. Just think about that LML. It’s way down on power compared to this truck but it’s performance I bet is real similar.
Yup, when I towed with the Chevy Duramax, it felt slower than I expected but it only had 3k miles... tq management is a factor and I think once truck break in, you will get a better accelerating rig. Thanks bro 👍🏾
Uh oh. You got beet by the powerstroke so now your shopping for an upgrade? 😂 btw I have a feeling the delay in the speed could be part of the programming in the transmission. Could maybe fix it with a pedal commander.
I have the Pedal Commander and it does not get rid of the torque management. It DOES help make the truck drive better but that lag is still there. Just everything else is better.
I wonder if emissions has to do with the delay in throttle response I can remember people complaining poor response with the earlier 4th gens, so much more restriction for air in and out the engine than like the 5.9s especially one with an aftermarket exhaust and cold air intake. Cool video as always.
In your reviews you have mentioned the hessitation/lag time from when you mash the throttle and when the truck reacts. I have been looking at purchasing a pedal monster from Banks which addreses that very issue. I have yet to purchase one mainly due to the fact I pick my 2021 up next Monday and have nit driven it, and because the manufacturers put that lag time in for reason. I wondered if that lag was the manufacturer's way of managing the torque and saving the trans....Another person commented that it's due to emessions......so I am still intrigued by Banks Pedal Monster......at any rate have you considered reviewing one or trying out?
The lag may be the manufacture lowering the boost so next time I review a HO, I will have the boost gauge up. I haven’t thought about getting a pedal upgrade 👍🏾
@@18S12 I, L O V E my truck. I drive it everyday. I have had several people ask me about it, and everyone that sees the interior compliments it. I have a long horn edition and the details between the ambient lighting,, wood inserts, the seats, its really nice.. So far I have had zero issues. I have had a bit of a learning curve but so far have not regretted my purchase. I do find the voice commands on Uconnect quirky, I can't get it to do much of anything...unlike Google through Android auto, that is very responsive and easy to use. Again most likely user error. I have also found the truck will regen about 5 miles after using the exhaust break down a long grade...Regen process lasts about 10 to 15 miles and stops. I average about 20 mpg on the fwy doing 70-75 and 16mpg around town and on short distance trips. I have only had the thing for 4 months and have enjoyed it. I apologize for the long winded response. You could say I am still in the honeymoon phase of my purchase. Lol.
@@18S12 You are very smart to do as much research now. These dang trucks are so expensive now days and in all honesty they are so similar in capabilities now it makes for a very hard decision. At the end if the day I do not use my truck for bussiness and it came down to 2 main items for me which swayed my decision from the superduty to the RAM.
JB, towing with an Aisin vs 68rfe, have you noticed a difference? Driving them empty I didn’t notice a difference except with the Aisin, the column shifter felt stiffer/firmer.
I feel like the Aisin holds the gears slightly better and acceleration from a dig and cruising is slightly better. Biggest advantage is longevity and if you tow constantly the Aisin will hold up better 👍🏾
Thanks for your input. My biggest dislike for the 68rfe is the insane shift flare when slowing down going from 3 to 2. It’s terrible! I’m looking at getting a dually. I don’t need one, but I like how they look and enjoyed having one for a rental from Enterprise. A limited dually with a Hemi and 4.10 gears....does that sound stupid or no? I’m not towing over 12k, so I don’t need a HO, but would consider that too.
its not the quickness...its the longevity..and im willing to bet the ram with cp3 cummins and aisin will go 200-300k more miles than ford or GM b4 dieing
JB Reviews and the real thing is with all this THIN sheetmetal to get the wheel liner option and to do the undercoating and everything u can to keep rust off iit... seems rust kills trucks long before the cummins dies
JB, what do you think, 68rfe with a 4.10 or an Aisin with the 4.10 on a dually? I just drove an Aisin with the 4.10 and really liked it. My order hasn’t been accepted yet due to allocation, but soon it will, so I have another day or two where I can make changes. I don’t need the Aisin, but wanted something different. I’ve always had the 68rfe.
Lag has nothing to do with the transmission😂😂😂😂. Just buy The Pedal Monster from Banks to fix that “DRIVE BY WIRE LAG”. Just so you know, GM and Ford are having issues wither 10 speeds and the inline 6 has a certain torque that works well with the 6 speed Aisin. Take a 30,000# load and stop on a 20% grade and pull it from a stand still. Only the Ram can do it it, this is why Ford and GM removed this from standard testing. 😂😂😂😂. It’s not about racing, it’s about managing the load safely without exploding.😂😂😂😂😂
Your were talking about the turbo lag is what your delay is called I am truck tech. What you have keep in mind that engine is same engine used on medium duty trucks . Bare block it’s same it’s been that all the way back to the 16 valve engine freight liner uses this engine a lot. On bigger truck Example most ambulances freight liner badage or tow truck has same engine . They change computer. Oil cooler in. Lot cases it’s same turbo . You go Cummins truck shop lot of the have lane just for dodge they used do warranty work long as it was Cummins part
I agree but some of this is tq management with Aisin. The 68RFE feels fast because it doesn’t have as much power but transmission is more responsive in comparison 👍🏾
Hello Jb. I just bought a 2022 Ram 3500 Dually. It has the Cummins HO and the Aisin transmission but only four leaf springs. Do you know if the change it up in 2022?
@@JB_WhoWork I wanted to install the AMP Research fold down runningboards since Mopar does not make Any for my truck. These are the ones that plug-in to the OB port but I heard that if you use those it can throw codes and check engine light will come on. Have you ever heard of that?
I have a 21 3500 bighorn 6.7 HO on order. Mine is coming with the LED headlights. Could you review those for us like you did for the limited headlights?
i think the failure rate was 5 out of 1000 ..same pump that ford and gm use more or less.....the 2021 ram hd with cp3 is probaly the best HD ever built with the egr and stuff
Observation: I never understood why the front lug nuts on dually stick out so much vs the same make and models of rams that are in Sema and they have a deep dish wheel on front and back without the front lug nuts sticking out...... 🤔
I really don’t think this was a realistic evaluation. These are work trucks. Put a 20,000 pound trailer behind each and I think you will see a difference. Perhaps slight differences due to the slight increase in the numbers but primarily due to the axle ratio.
My build sheet popped up today. I was reading it and I saw 68rfe I was like no way. Called ram care and yep it was built with a standard cummins. So placed new order today not very happy. Hoping dealer will give me some money off
@@johnhighland4781 I'm having a similar issue John. Can you share the number you called for Ram Care? I can't find it and I have already sent 2 emails to them with no response
I think the message that you had at the end of the video you should have put in the beginning of your video I don’t know by your analytics how many people actually watch the whole entire of your videos but maybe the next couple of videos do another message just like that message and do it in the beginning of your video
First time diesel buyer saved 50thousand on a diesel and got burned with the cp4 wtf why we have to suffer like this is.there any kind of HELP?????? FML
400hp@2800rpm is only 750lbft 420hp@2800rpm is only 787lbft It's a far cry from GMs 445hp(835lbft@2800) and Fords 475hp(959.5lbft@2600) Ram has a way to go to catch up. The 1000lbft/6spd barely kept up to GMs less torque and superior Gearing, and doesn't hold a candle to Ford with more power through the entire powerband(1600-2600rpm) Torque is the ability to do work. Hp is how fast the amount of work is done. 1000lbft@1313rpm is 250hp 1000lbft@2626rpm is 500hp 1000lbft@3939rpm is 750hp 1000lbft@5252rpm is 1000hp All the same amount of work just last is 4 times as fast. Thats is how the GM with the 10speed and a 3.42 kept just ahead of the 1000lbft 2020 Ram on TFLs IKE Gauntlet. Advantage is torque manipulation because it's a real force. Where HP is a calculation/equation.
True. But also wrong, lol. When you're stuck you need very precise control over the wheel spin/speed. Low range gives that control and multiplies the torque. It's also exactly what the Dr. ordered for crawling over obstacles like a Toyota Tacoma or something.
Everybody knows ram transmission is shit, if you put the Same transmission in the truck and stop having issues clearly ram just detuned the truck to compensate for a pile of junk they put behind the enjine to keep it in one piece
Ram mirrors are basically the BEST out there with Ford next and GM not even coming to the party. You clearly have never towed with Ram mirrors. Honestly, tow with them. Every Ford and Chevy guy I know at least admits to 2 things: 1) Cummins beats everything (even if they hate the rest of the truck) 2) Ram mirrors are the best (except for their lack of control on the older ones. The arms did not swing in electronically and the convex was not remotely adjustable way back when...a few years ago, lol.) But the actual length, width and overall size of them is superior.
I run the same truck. The ‘lag’ is actually for emissions reasons. If you put lots of fuel in at low rpm’s then the engine smokes and the DPF plugs up faster. So they back the fuel off until the engine gets more air then they pump up the fuel. If you roll on the throttle just ahead of the rpms climbing you can catch it off guard and get some real power out of it. If you just mash the throttle it will lag.
Also you can go from 2wd to 4hi at highway speeds. I do it at 60 mph all the time. With the winters up here in Canada you have to go in and out all the time. Love the vids.
Thanks for sharing and I wasn’t aware of this👍🏾
@S W That's not actually accurate. The reason for the lag is torque management. With 1,000+ torque the tranny, driveshaft and/or axles will be destroyed at low rpm. Torque management will be incorporated upon initial acceleration, between shifts and is incorporated into the lower gears at all times. Sucks but get why they do it.
@@rsg1963 ram states there is no torque management. So I can’t confirm or deny what you state, but I’ve had three of these trucks and RAM has said there is none. So who really knows.
@@sw5334 Ford, Ram, GM all do torque management down low to preserve the trans
@@resharddurdley6987 I get the purpose behind torque management, rigs have been doing it forever. RAM has stated they don’t do it, but I know it’s a topic of conversation within the forums. Wether they do it or not, emissions is also at play. I haven’t found anyone that has left the trucks completely stock with emissions and just programmed the torque management out. Nothing else changed, and see if the trucks still de-fuel do to emissions. Would be an interesting experiment.
You are one of the best reviewers on UA-cam! Proud subscriber here!
Thank You 🙏🏽
Definitely a 21' HO with the Aisin transmission and the CP3.
Just ordered my HO 3500 Limited! It will be here in June. Thanks for the videos. Really helped with my choice.
No problem, thanks for sharing 👍🏾
I doubt it will be here in June if you just ordered it. I placed my order for a 3500 HO Laramie on 1/11. That was 14 weeks ago and it still has not shipped from Mexico. Ram Diesels are about 18 weeks out now on orders.
@@lwilde0422 the dealer told me 14 weeks, but I got an email from ram customer care saying it will arrive June 6th along with my VIN. I’m not sure how accurate it is. I was super surprised. I’m going to post a video once it arrives. Is yours a dually or non dually. I got non dually.
@@ryanbarragan8242 I ordered a fully loaded Laramie crew cab short box single rear wheel HO/Aisin in Pearl White. My dealer told me 12 weeks back in January. Here i am 14 weeks later and it is still sitting in Mexico waiting for computer chips. I got my vin about 30 days after I placed the order. Truck was built about 30 days after that. How did you get an email from ram customer care? Did your dealer sign you up? I have got nothing from them. I am just calling my sales representative every week
@@lwilde0422 Dude that sounds like a badass truck! That is so shitty that it's been so long, I hope I don't run into the same delays. I just double-checked the email I got and it looks like my dealer signed me up for it, I was sent the email and the general manager was CC on it. I did make my deal through the General Manager and Director at my dealership.
Great looking 21 I would do without a few of those options for a 50 gallon tank my local dealer spec's out there 1 ton the same way for 2022 a 50 gal tank should be standard on all 2500/3500 gas and diesel short bed or long
THANK YOU!!!! I do not know why more dealers won’t option these trucks with that... Very silly IMO 👍🏾
Thank you for the review I think you’re the first person to have compared these trucks back to back.Keep in mind something I am a heavy truck mechanic I can tell you that when the truck is brand new they don’t always give you all the power. First off the engines are tight they are brand new , The rings are not seated they will perform a lot better after 10,000 miles or so,Especially if you do some heavy towing. Some manufacturers program into the PCM a reduced power mode for the first thousand miles or so this may be more so on the newer higher output version. Once the engine gets say 50 hours on it that will go away and you’ll get the full power. I don’t know if ram does this or not, but it’s a possibility.I think the bigger test Between 1000 and 1075 ftlb version be when your towing
You are correct about reducing performance because my truck feels quicker in comparison to a new RAM. I typically will only launch a new truck once just to keep from effecting proper break in 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork I’m glad you noticed it with your own truck it’s very noticeable it seems like if the truck is kept up well it will keep gaining power right up to at least 100,000 miles maybe even longer depending on how well the emissions systems hold up. I heard you commenting about the delay in the pedal I’ll be honest with you that is pretty common with Cummins we have L9 engines in our international and Mack trucks and they also have a slight delay it really is more to do with the emission system and I honestly believe that it reduces soot loading and is there for long term durability. Ram seems to take longevity pretty seriously,And they should especially considering how
many ppl are hotshotting with them.
Probably true. On my C8, max RPM was 4500 until 500 miles, so it would not surprise me that these trucks do something similar.
Bully dog tuner or banks tuner should take care if that lag feel. Made my ‘12 feel like she should have come from the factory.
The best unmentioned upgrade is going back to the cp3 pump from the cp4. Might feel the same, but one truck will outlast the other without dealer visits.
I’ve mentioned it in 3 vids before so I didn’t in this one
Another awesome video! I’ve been eyeing a new Ram 2500 Cummins with the night package. I really want the Level 2 convenience package but don’t want to pay for it 😂
Thanks bro! Yea I’m with you, these trucks get to $80k quick 😵
I've drove one of the chevys duramax s I don't know where you think they are winning because it is really bad lag even running down the road stepping on it you have to hold the pedal down for it to pickup
I have two budies that put the 19.5 rims because the 17 inch tires wore out in 6 months .they tow maximum loads all the time.
I love my ‘21 3500 dually
Hey JB, I appreciate the video and comparison but the Ram is a different beast IMO. The Ford and GM have the V8's and the 10 speeds but the Rams are built to tow for the long term. I'm finding out through some friends of mine that have 2017 or newer Ford and GM trucks that they are fast but for some reason they are having issues. Both of their trucks are stock, so they aren't pushing them like crazy. Anyways, great video as always, I appreciate your want for more from RAM.
I agree but the Aisin truly is holding back full potential. It’s not a race truck but the Aisin is really a underpforming trans in comparison 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork i agree when the truck is empty. I think it shines a bit more when its loaded down. Those other two trucks have transmissions that are pretty new and we don't know what they will look like after 100k miles for the most part. The Aisin, while lacking some refinement is a proven transmission that will go the distance. I agree with you that if Ram could strike a deal with Allison on a true Allison built transmission then it will be hard for the competition for sure. A stock inline 6 will still have a hard time drag racing a V8 tho. Keep those videos rolling.
I agree and only time will tell with the new 10 speeds. Good stuff David!
I agree.
Thanks a lot Jb, now I have truck envy...
You are welcome 😁😎
Same truck that I purchased back in June. I love it although I didn't need the HO.....it just happened to have one. Mileage thus far sucks but it's all been stop and go city driving. I'll see what it does when I go on a trip. Fuel's getting expensive though. Ugh.
Wish i would have waited for the 21 if i would have known they were gonna switch to a cp3 again
Don't feel bad I bought a 2021 Superduty. I figured the Ford had a lot more stock power and they both have stupid CP4
Ram needs to announce there yearly changes much faster.
Just got mine yesterday. I’m so happy. 😄
Congrats!
I believe the reason for the difference in speed is related to gearing. The Diesel engines do not rev that fast and are plenty powerful to move the truck. So opposite to a car the lower ratio will actually accelerate faster. This is due to Less time shifting and more in gear applying power to ground.
I'm not gonna make it an excuse for Ram because they do need to update their stuff, however something I needs to be taken into account is the stall speed of the converter. The lower stall speed will make the converter more efficient at a lower RPM, and so if you have a Ford or a GM and Ram put them on a hill and literally just let the brake go on drive the ram ball go up the hill easier because a converter is more efficient and lower RPMs. Vice versa at higher are you RPMs the converter is going to start and it won't be as efficient and will feel extremely slow, this is why the 68 RFE feels faster than the AISIN. When your flooring at the converter won't lock as easily and so it will feel extremely slow. If you want to feel the torque on it, you have to wait until it ships into fourth gear and the locks it's torque converter and it is in her lower p.m. and just give it about 10% throttle and you'll feel the difference since it has a direct connection with the engine. for towing purposes i this low speed converter makes sense because it will get off the line easier we get without giving it too much throttle and giving you colder temperatures since there is less slippage. I'm tow hall mode the torque converter will lock up in second gear and stay locked throughout the gear ranges. This is why people describe the Cummins engine as having a torquier feeling
But if you want to get to the weeds of it, you cannot physically feel Torque because torque is not a measurement of work, it is a measurement of a force that is turning, and the force can either be delivered slowly or fast and depending at what speed the force is being delivered we call that a measurement of work, or horsepower typically when people describe a torque feeling, what they are actually feeling is low RPM horsepower that is generated by a high amount of torque. But what they are truly feeling is horsepower
Good stuff, thanks for sharing this 👍🏾
The inlines tow great but are so much slower in acceleration compared the V8 diesels
That’s what happens when you compare 420 hp Cummins vs the 475 hp v8 power stroke.
I'd most definitely pass on a 2019 & 2020. That CP4.2 fuel pump is a NO GO
I own a 2021 ram 3500 dually with the HO AND 410 rear end I love the truck looking forward to towing my 5th wheel rv
That’s awesome 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork I can add a picture of it if you would like
Enjoyed the video JB. I had to go to the subscription to see the video I did get notified that you posted a new video. Seems to be a problem cause it has happened with other subscriptions also.
Nice truck, I would have thought Ram would have talked with Aisin about adding at least an eight speed transmission for 2021. If I was to get a Ram the HO with Aisin and 4.10 now that is a hauler brother.
Thanks Ric, I can see a Delmonico Red RAM Pulling your Cardinal once the 5th gen comes out. I keep hearing noise that the 10 speeds in the Ford/GM HD’s are having issues.... I’m ok with the Aisin for now 👍🏾
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Ngl. The mega cab is good and all but the crew cab is plenty. And leg room shouldn’t be an issue. Went on a job in my truck some months ago with my self, my father, and two guys that work for us. My father and I are both 6’5”. And the guys in the back were 6’4” and 5’10” none of us were cramped 🤷♂️ I’ve ridden in the back myself and no issues. The only thing I miss is the behind the seat storage
Very true, I think the 5th gen ram 1500 cab would really make you feel like you could spread out!
The delay is almost certainly an emissions trick. My Chevy Cruze diesel has the same thing. My duramax L5P, not as much, but it's still there. S W mentioned this, and I agree that it's to prevent a big puff of sooty smoke from hitting the DPF. Could it also be torque management? Sure, but I think it's primarily an emissions thing. PS. I just heard your pitch for subs. I have now subscribed because I dig your style and appreciate your videos.
Thanks for sharing and for the sub👍🏾
There is now a nationwide recall on the CP4 injection pump, due to a class action law suit. USA and Canada, when you’re going to get the new one is still the big question, but at least if your CP4 fails, you’ll be covered under the recall, but what I really like is the much bigger fuel tank. What were they thinking with the 2019 fuel tank?
We love ❤️ JB and his awesome channel!
Thank You 🙏🏽🙏🏽
That white Ram was proudly made in Mexico 🇲🇽
The “dead pedal” with that 1 to 1.5 second delay is the only thing I don’t like about my 2021 Megacab dually HO Cummins. It makes city driving leas bearable. But I guess it is time for the banks power pedal commander that is supposed to cure that issue. Other than that the truck flat out “shits and gets” once you are in it. Glad I waited for the 2021. 3.5 month wait from date of order.
As we say in the auto business torque gets you going, horsepower keeps you going!
This maybe a stupid question, but can you use a convex style dually rims on a swb 3500, and something similar to the rims on the rear be it a normal rim or concave rim without messing the stability of the truck up?
Good review brah 🤙👍
Uh, that delay just like Titan XD...lol
Thanks bro! Lol, hopefully RAM will have a new trans or at least a better tuned trans for true 5th gen 👍🏾
Your tow rating will be different between 373 and 410 . My 2021 373 with 20 inch factory rims and factory 33.5 inch tires 4x4 3500 single rear wheel has no delay in response .
Beautiful truck. Great video man
I agree and thanks bro!
Banks pedal monster helps that lag so much.
The Ford w/4.30s will definitely feel faster than a Ram w/ 3.73s. I really think Ram will make a splash with with either a full-on 5th-gen HD for 2022(just in time for the updated 1500 as well) or at the very least update the trans. Ford will be getting the new cab for 2022(and GM trucks will be getting overhauled), so there is no way Ram will cede that much ground. The truck is so good that I would settle for a transmission update.
I agree, Ram needs to just fix the trans, maybe upgrade the cabs and we will have a superior truck 👍🏾💪🏾
I’m used to driving dodge and I got in my grandmas Tahoe the other day and and I was like oh this thing’s touchy
I’m not too surprised. Gearing doesn’t always do what you think it will. 4.10 could be slower than 3.73 because it takes more revolutions of the pinion gear than the 3.73 in order to turn the tires 1 full revolution. The added torque and HP seems like just enough to keep the acceleration the same on these 2 trucks with the different gear ratios.
We’re talking 5% more HP and 7.5% more torque with a difference of 9% on the gear ratios.
I own both, they are both doggy piles of poop compared to the fords in the fleet, detune the shit out of them and keep the pile of shit they call the 68rfe in one piece Also have the aisin with 410s hard inconsistent shifting that with only 6 gears still cannot find a place to sit at while pulling up hills
4wd low for slippery boat ramps? Or 4wd high?
You said you'd upgrade the tires pretty quickly.... what would you upgrade them to???
Good video. I think the torque management is a factor but I really think if you could see a dyno chart it would just show that power coming in at a weird rpm. Probably would have a spike somewhere near peak to just get that number.
That’s my opinion on the power claims for all of the big three though. Just think about that LML. It’s way down on power compared to this truck but it’s performance I bet is real similar.
Yup, when I towed with the Chevy Duramax, it felt slower than I expected but it only had 3k miles... tq management is a factor and I think once truck break in, you will get a better accelerating rig. Thanks bro 👍🏾
Uh oh. You got beet by the powerstroke so now your shopping for an upgrade? 😂 btw I have a feeling the delay in the speed could be part of the programming in the transmission. Could maybe fix it with a pedal commander.
🤣🤣🤣! I may still be salty lol! I think so too, these trans are still holding back full potential... 👍🏾
I have the Pedal Commander and it does not get rid of the torque management. It DOES help make the truck drive better but that lag is still there. Just everything else is better.
Great, informative video.
Great review 👍!!!
Thanks!
I wonder if emissions has to do with the delay in throttle response I can remember people complaining poor response with the earlier 4th gens, so much more restriction for air in and out the engine than like the 5.9s especially one with an aftermarket exhaust and cold air intake. Cool video as always.
That could be a factor but truck is new and I think trans has to break in before you start hit rodding 😅
It is emissions related. My truck was the same way until I deleted the aftertreatment. Now the lag is gone.
Faster?? It’s a truck! Who gives AF.
Great video man!
Thank You 🙏🏽
In your reviews you have mentioned the hessitation/lag time from when you mash the throttle and when the truck reacts. I have been looking at purchasing a pedal monster from Banks which addreses that very issue.
I have yet to purchase one mainly due to the fact I pick my 2021 up next Monday and have nit driven it, and because the manufacturers put that lag time in for reason.
I wondered if that lag was the manufacturer's way of managing the torque and saving the trans....Another person commented that it's due to emessions......so I am still intrigued by Banks Pedal Monster......at any rate have you considered reviewing one or trying out?
The lag may be the manufacture lowering the boost so next time I review a HO, I will have the boost gauge up.
I haven’t thought about getting a pedal upgrade 👍🏾
Greg, how are you liking your truck?
@@18S12 I, L O V E my truck. I drive it everyday. I have had several people ask me about it, and everyone that sees the interior compliments it. I have a long horn edition and the details between the ambient lighting,, wood inserts, the seats, its really nice.. So far I have had zero issues. I have had a bit of a learning curve but so far have not regretted my purchase. I do find the voice commands on Uconnect quirky, I can't get it to do much of anything...unlike Google through Android auto, that is very responsive and easy to use. Again most likely user error. I have also found the truck will regen about 5 miles after using the exhaust break down a long grade...Regen process lasts about 10 to 15 miles and stops. I average about 20 mpg on the fwy doing 70-75 and 16mpg around town and on short distance trips. I have only had the thing for 4 months and have enjoyed it. I apologize for the long winded response. You could say I am still in the honeymoon phase of my purchase. Lol.
@@3076gds Thank you! I appreciate all the information. I’m 80% sure on the 3500 DRW HO with the Aisin, so I’m getting as many opinions as I can
@@18S12 You are very smart to do as much research now. These dang trucks are so expensive now days and in all honesty they are so similar in capabilities now it makes for a very hard decision. At the end if the day I do not use my truck for bussiness and it came down to 2 main items for me which swayed my decision from the superduty to the RAM.
NICE.
Does it have the adaptive steering? The 21 I drove on Saturday had the 3.73 and it was noticeable more responsive and shifted smoother.
It did have it, I edited it out unfortunately 👍🏾
JB, towing with an Aisin vs 68rfe, have you noticed a difference? Driving them empty I didn’t notice a difference except with the Aisin, the column shifter felt stiffer/firmer.
I feel like the Aisin holds the gears slightly better and acceleration from a dig and cruising is slightly better. Biggest advantage is longevity and if you tow constantly the Aisin will hold up better 👍🏾
Thanks for your input. My biggest dislike for the 68rfe is the insane shift flare when slowing down going from 3 to 2. It’s terrible! I’m looking at getting a dually. I don’t need one, but I like how they look and enjoyed having one for a rental from Enterprise. A limited dually with a Hemi and 4.10 gears....does that sound stupid or no? I’m not towing over 12k, so I don’t need a HO, but would consider that too.
Hey JB great video I'm looking to buy a 2021 Dodge Ram. Is the family and friends discount available?
Thanks! Some dealers are still accepting
Is there any talk about the 2022 having a 9 or 10 speed transmission?
Nothing has been announced but a lot of noise 👀
Thanks
its not the quickness...its the longevity..and im willing to bet the ram with cp3 cummins and aisin will go 200-300k more miles than ford or GM b4 dieing
I agree, I always see guys posting high miles on the RAM’s 👍🏾
JB Reviews and the real thing is with all this THIN sheetmetal to get the wheel liner option and to do the undercoating and everything u can to keep rust off iit... seems rust kills trucks long before the cummins dies
I agree, I wonder if anyone is having issues on 2013 to current...
JB, what do you think, 68rfe with a 4.10 or an Aisin with the 4.10 on a dually? I just drove an Aisin with the 4.10 and really liked it. My order hasn’t been accepted yet due to allocation, but soon it will, so I have another day or two where I can make changes. I don’t need the Aisin, but wanted something different. I’ve always had the 68rfe.
If you plan on keeping it a long time, go Aisin!
What about the gearing? Do you know of a mpg difference with the 4.10 vs 3.73 on an Aisin?
There’s probably a 1-2 MPG difference but unloaded but I noticed worse mpg with my 3.42’s when towing my fifth wheel in comparison with the 3.73’s
I felt like the Aisin shifted better with the 4.10s
Lag has nothing to do with the transmission😂😂😂😂. Just buy The Pedal Monster from Banks to fix that “DRIVE BY WIRE LAG”. Just so you know, GM and Ford are having issues wither 10 speeds and the inline 6 has a certain torque that works well with the 6 speed Aisin. Take a 30,000# load and stop on a 20% grade and pull it from a stand still. Only the Ram can do it it, this is why Ford and GM removed this from standard testing. 😂😂😂😂. It’s not about racing, it’s about managing the load safely without exploding.😂😂😂😂😂
Good video. Just subscribed for ya
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I kinda figured that conclusion. When you already got 1000, 1075 ain't gonna rock your world. But I'll take it lol!
Yup, I know it will only make a difference with a trailer behind it but still fun to do lol!
Your were talking about the turbo lag is what your delay is called I am truck tech. What you have keep in mind that engine is same engine used on medium duty trucks . Bare block it’s same it’s been that all the way back to the 16 valve engine freight liner uses this engine a lot. On bigger truck Example most ambulances freight liner badage or tow truck has same engine . They change computer. Oil cooler in. Lot cases it’s same turbo . You go Cummins truck shop lot of the have lane just for dodge they used do warranty work long as it was Cummins part
I agree but some of this is tq management with Aisin. The 68RFE feels fast because it doesn’t have as much power but transmission is more responsive in comparison 👍🏾
Thank you JB!
No problem 👍🏾
Hello Jb. I just bought a 2022 Ram 3500 Dually. It has the Cummins HO and the Aisin transmission but only four leaf springs. Do you know if the change it up in 2022?
Congrats and you most likely have air suspension
@@JB_WhoWork you know I didn’t think about that. Your right I do have the rear air suspension. Thank you for that.
@@JB_WhoWork I wanted to install the AMP Research fold down runningboards since Mopar does not make Any for my truck. These are the ones that plug-in to the OB port but I heard that if you use those it can throw codes and check engine light will come on. Have you ever heard of that?
I have a 21 3500 bighorn 6.7 HO on order. Mine is coming with the LED headlights. Could you review those for us like you did for the limited headlights?
That’s awesome, I will get with Mikey P and this 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork awesome, looking forward to it.
Fine job JB!
Thanks bro 👍🏾
There is a app you can download that uses your phones GPS to give you 0 to 60 and quarter mile times
2021 has an upgraded fuel pump the 2019-2020 had a fuel pump that failed.
Yup, CP3 is back for now
i think the failure rate was 5 out of 1000 ..same pump that ford and gm use more or less.....the 2021 ram hd with cp3 is probaly the best HD ever built with the egr and stuff
@@privateer9181: starting in 2017, GM went with Denso for injectors and for the injection pump, so no more CP4.
IT'S GORGEOUS!!!................SOLD
Observation:
I never understood why the front lug nuts on dually stick out so much vs the same make and models of rams that are in Sema and they have a deep dish wheel on front and back without the front lug nuts sticking out...... 🤔
Update on the truck?
I really don’t think this was a realistic evaluation. These are work trucks. Put a 20,000 pound trailer behind each and I think you will see a difference. Perhaps slight differences due to the slight increase in the numbers but primarily due to the axle ratio.
I agree, the 4.10 would probably make more of a dent especially going up a grade 👍🏾
My 2021 3500 Ram is assembled & waiting for transport. Waiting patiently
Yay, now try not to think about it lol! It was hard for me, I would give you the number to call to check on it but it will drive you even more crazy 😜
Dude, same. Mine has been sitting at the rail yard 2 hours away since March 5th.
I ordered it Sept 4th!
My build sheet popped up today. I was reading it and I saw 68rfe I was like no way. Called ram care and yep it was built with a standard cummins. So placed new order today not very happy. Hoping dealer will give me some money off
@@LowAss720 has your truck shipped? I ordered mine January 11 and it was built around March 5. Still has not shipped though.
@@johnhighland4781 I'm having a similar issue John. Can you share the number you called for Ram Care? I can't find it and I have already sent 2 emails to them with no response
Have two
I think the message that you had at the end of the video you should have put in the beginning of your video I don’t know by your analytics how many people actually watch the whole entire of your videos but maybe the next couple of videos do another message just like that message and do it in the beginning of your video
Thanks bro!
"BANKS" throttle Monster will fix your Lag Issue.
Cp4 is a huge difference
JB
I thought you were going to leave the description of the truck
I don’t see it
I mean $12,000 off of a Cummins
I thought I cut and paste, I will do it now thanks 👍🏾
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Thanks
What dealership you use there
Criswell in Thurmont MD
Wonder if a pedal monster would help??
Yup since these trucks are drive by wire
Only difference between is the cp3 and cp4 lol and those are trucks not racing cars. If you want accelerates fast get a corvette lol 😂
First time diesel buyer saved 50thousand on a diesel and got burned with the cp4 wtf why we have to suffer like this is.there any kind of HELP?????? FML
Sorry bro... I would go through and independent shop are see if a diesel mechanic will be willing to work on it after hours
Cp 3 or cp 4 pump on 2021?
CP3
The Nexen tires are crap, 4 out of 6 of mine were defective. WTF is Ram thinking putting that cheap Chinese crap on an $80K truck ???
400hp@2800rpm is only 750lbft
420hp@2800rpm is only 787lbft
It's a far cry from GMs 445hp(835lbft@2800) and Fords 475hp(959.5lbft@2600) Ram has a way to go to catch up. The 1000lbft/6spd barely kept up to GMs less torque and superior Gearing, and doesn't hold a candle to Ford with more power through the entire powerband(1600-2600rpm) Torque is the ability to do work. Hp is how fast the amount of work is done.
1000lbft@1313rpm is 250hp
1000lbft@2626rpm is 500hp
1000lbft@3939rpm is 750hp
1000lbft@5252rpm is 1000hp
All the same amount of work just last is 4 times as fast. Thats is how the GM with the 10speed and a 3.42 kept just ahead of the 1000lbft 2020 Ram on TFLs IKE Gauntlet. Advantage is torque manipulation because it's a real force. Where HP is a calculation/equation.
are you sold on the 4:10 yet? I always thought Dodge was 4:11, I have yet to get a straight answer.
4:10
It’s a 4.10 and I think top end it really shines 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork I was impressed with mid-range 40-50 mph roll
people who are stuck dont use 4 low...they need wheel speed
True. But also wrong, lol. When you're stuck you need very precise control over the wheel spin/speed. Low range gives that control and multiplies the torque. It's also exactly what the Dr. ordered for crawling over obstacles like a Toyota Tacoma or something.
@rsg1963 lol maybe for sand. Never seen a truck in a mud shit hole get out with 5mph of wheel speed
Everybody knows ram transmission is shit, if you put the Same transmission in the truck and stop having issues clearly ram just detuned the truck to compensate for a pile of junk they put behind the enjine to keep it in one piece
Enjine!!!!
Truck needs to be deleted to bring full potential out
when is Ram going to put a mirror on their trucks that is worth a shit
Ram mirrors are basically the BEST out there with Ford next and GM not even coming to the party. You clearly have never towed with Ram mirrors. Honestly, tow with them. Every Ford and Chevy guy I know at least admits to 2 things: 1) Cummins beats everything (even if they hate the rest of the truck) 2) Ram mirrors are the best (except for their lack of control on the older ones. The arms did not swing in electronically and the convex was not remotely adjustable way back when...a few years ago, lol.) But the actual length, width and overall size of them is superior.
@rsg1963 they’re trash. Way too small. And manually flipping. What a moose joke
@@rsg1963 Clearly he doesn't Tow, best mirrors from all others.
@Wagon19 39ft behind my F450 😘
If you buy a Ford I'll subscribe LOL;)
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@@JB_WhoWork You know I am just messing with you.:) Your truck is no joke just the way it is...... Enjoy what you got and keep the videos rolling.