Husqvarna 365 special and 365 Xtorq. Same model name, totally different saws.
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- I get asked all the time what's the difference between a 365 special amd 365 xtorq. So I did a video showing g yhe difference.
Thanks for watching.
Greetings from the south Okanagan sir. Thanks for another fine instructional video, I appreciate it. I've been running a 2006 made 372XPG with a 24" bar since it came out of a Red Deer pawn shop a year later than it was new. Buddy has a newer 372 X Torque, I want to say a 2014 or 2016 and while it cuts good, I wouldn't trade. All the best.
Interesting stuff, I have a 2010 445 (built May 14) and have used it hard all these years, I have it apart for a refresh and have finally started to understand the X-torq system. The way I understand it, it's just a (sophisticated) fresh air exhaust purge. The top end looks good, so I'm leaning toward leaving it stock, at least port timing wise. As I see it, X-torq MAY be an emissions system 1st, but a purer charge makes more power per cc. I just went thru my Poulan 2150, and the similarities shocked me, so I started learning about the Husky family and it's history. Learned a ton from your channel, and am looking forward to more tech on the X-torq saws (and the rest as well). I've had the disease for years, started with an tuned pipe setup Craftsman/Echo CS-302 back in the '80s ago (sadly stolen - sure wish I could find a clean one). Sorry to ramble on, it's my nature - Thanks again!
Both are great saws. The newer models of the x-torque 365 & 372 and OE 365 & 372 sold overseas have an additional stiffening rib on the clutch side case half, you can tell when you look inside the oil tank. It helps prevent the case from cracking when running long bars. Built right they are a joy to run.
Home Depot used the 365 special in the rental department in the early 2000’s. I was a technician there at the time and found them to be a great low maintenance saw as well, so I got a used one from there which only recently lost enough compression to where I had to put a 52 mm big bore in it and air filter modification. Great power and dependable saw for a small property owner/woodcutter.
Yep very dependable saw they never revved up high enough to hurt anything
@@austindenotter19 that is only a quick adjustment away
Wow your home depot rented THAT SAW?! i just left my job as a tool rental associate there as well, location in London ontario, and we now only have Milwaukee cordless (Battery), Makita 16" corded electric, Echo 16" gas (no labels or anything, its a super old model) and an echo 20" cs590 timber wolf. I started to watch these videos from tinman regarding the cs590 as i was trying to learn more about it going into fall season. Im so jealous you got to work with a husq 365 special. The cs590 we had had compression out its rear end and not to mention it hated starting cold, despite the air filters being super rich with spit-back from the engine through the carb. makes me wish i was allowed to do the bolt ons for it but they wouldnt let me hahaha
My 365 is a 1998 model I really didn't know much about it till I watched your video!
And they both have full raps. Wow. What saws. They both cut well. Thank you for the video sr. Have a great week. ❤️🌲❤️🌲❤️🌲
Great video Tinman! A couple of things, I believe the biggest reason they went to the limited coil(although the nylon bearings are a weak point) was more to do with the excessive weight of the x-torq piston. I believe it is also the reason the crank pin was so much thicker on the x-torq saws. I'm not 100% sure but I also believe that the x-torq saws run considerably hotter which is some of the reasons the nylon cage bearings tend to fail. The other difference in ignitions is a slight difference in timing curve and hotter spark at lower rpm to assist in starting. Those old 48mm 365 are one of the best saws ever built and punch far above their weight with minor mods. I have a Jonsered 2165 that has the basic "Spike special" mods and with a 24" bar or less can best a 372 x-torq and is every bit the equal of a stock 372 OE.
another great video.
we really are spoiled with all the extra content.
i hope Mrs Tinman is well and not going too stircrazy.
This video has me excited. I got a blown 365 sp a couple months ago. Crank (wolf creek) and top end (csp) are in the mail as we speak. Should arrive any day now 😁
I've got a 365 special from 2006, great saw that just developed a carb issue that needs attention. Personally I think my 266 from 1995 might be a bit zippier, but I have a soft spot for that saw as it was my first saw and I spent a summer spacing trees in the Queen Charlotte's with it.
Those 48 bore 365’s are just beautiful saw’s… they don’t beat the bearings out of themselves because they ain’t being pushed that hard… a 20 - 24 inch bar and the air filter and a plug once a decade and you’ll still be cutting your firewood 30-40 years later like she did when brand new… it’s a perfect platform…. The ease of service and maintenance gives it that little leg up on a 044… but both of us know that with a 20” bar and super sharp chain in real clean wood that the little 044 will be a snap faster through the wood… the 372’s in my mind are a little more forgiving of dull chain and heavy handed operators!
Nice clarification. The Duke's Saw Salvage can send the XT full wrap around forty bucks US.
The 365 special is hands down better imo. Great great saws
Great video , I just purchase a 365 special in Ontario , saw runs great
I picked up an original edition 365 as a pile of parts from a surplus auction. It was missing top handle and bottom handle so I got a parts saw from the local small engine shop and swapped them over. The parts saw I think was an X-Torq since it had the newer sticker on it. The 365 has replaced my tired 257 in my saw line-up as my primary firewood saw. For having about $100 into it, I am realizing how much of a score it was.
Hey Tinman. Two pretty slick saws from different generations has to tell a story about the quality of Husky saws. Love the dawgs on the sp. thanks for the vid
Walt/afterfleet did a similar video - so great reminder. A lot of people want to go bigger on these nice old (non-xtorq) 365's - but Walt was saying how nice, smooth, and broad powerband the 48mm size was, and not to put a 50 mm or 52 mm top end on it. And, yeah ... Walker showed pulling the cap on the xtorq 365 and grinding the little baffle, and instant 372, as they are both 50 mm. It does seem the xtorq's run hotter, and are a little more "peaky" in power, and not as forgiving for a firewood guy as the old school original edition. I'm interested in seeing your take on porting the xtorq, as I have a crappy 50cc strato that I'd love to mess more with - it already revs too high if you ask me. I'm always afraid I'm gona burn it up, heh heh. So, maybe mess with blending mix fuel into the strato port. Thanks for the vid.
Awesome information👍 and loving the daily uploads!
Great information tinman! I am hopefully going be picking up a 365 special soon. What is involved in the gasket delete you referred to at 7:40?
I have two 365 specials both 2000 models. I was given a 365 I believe is the original you were talking about. It runs good and I mounted it to a homemade winch I built. I recently purchased a 372 XPW with the 75cc. I love this chassis of saw. All of mine are stock and was wondering if you would go through the muffler mod for these. I want to do the muffle and base gasket and see how much it increases power.
Best thing to do is get a Hutzl/Farmertec exhaust, well made and no internal baffle so breath well. You could still oversize the outlet but not needed. Just forgot the Oem unless you're going to cut it in half to gut it.
Great video Tinman I’m interested to see what you end up doing for mods on the 365 x-Torq I also just picked up a 2012 365 x-Torq and did a muffler mod and the transfers made for a good runner I will email you a short clip of it in the cut 👌
I'm interested in doing this mod to mine. Wondering how much of a performance jump you noticed and if there was any difference in fuel consumption? Also interested in any details on the muffler mod. Thanks
Great meat and taders information video! Zip off the back wing and spray on some red! Awesome Sauce!!!
Excellent video my friend 😀
I to wana try out a 372xp. Stay safe buddy.
Hey Tinman great stuff.I took a 372xp x-torq and converted to a 52mm big bore changed the intake boot,carb,airhorn and filter.It would be great to see you port the cylinder if you do your saw.
Thanks
Which carb and intake boot did you use?
@@Mark_Tschetter
Carb and intake boot off a 372 not xtorque
@@johncrawford5871
Wow never thought of that, what's the advantage of running a non x torque 372 carb?
I have a Husky 362,strange 60 cc saw for sure. Would love to see you do a tear done and port on a Farmertec 365.
This video makes me want an oe 365 special really badly now
Very good theme! Thank you for the lesson! :)
Thanks Tinman , I'm a new sub from Michigan and found your channel through Buckin and hopefully get the time to try some mods on my own firewood saws
Welcome Newt
Great content, Tinman! I learned quite a bit.
365 Xtorq is a 372 with baffles to slow down the fuel charge…, if you have a torque 65 you just need 5 minutes of grinding and it’s a 372!
This video quality with the cutting in footage is great… you can tell that you have a little more time to make and edit your videos…, Praying that everything keeps cruzin along like it is and everyone just keeps growing and getting a little $ to keep these channels going….
I’ve got 3-4 Xtorq 372 cylinder’s that I wasn’t expecting to do anything with because I run the 52mm topend’s but I’m going to try to get some zip out of a torquer saw.,..
I run a 365 special with a big bore kit that’s my go to “big” saw and I use a stihl 026 for small stuff
Hey Tinman. I have a 1998 365 with a grey choke and side decomp. It's the first 365 I have ever owned and I prefer it over the 72s
Totally different saws but I prefer my Stihl 290 over the 310 and 390, it all has to do with the bore and stroke ratio, closer they are the funner they are to run
Thanks for the explanation. I have a 1997 365
I like the way you slap them around...
Interesting chat... you said that the 365 special is a closed port 48mm bore and that the original 365 had the 48mm open port... well... my 365 special is a 48mm open port... my understanding was that you could get either the open port or the closed port... my saw has the black unlimited coil... I need to pick your brain about some porting that I would like to do and some of my options...
Thanks Tinman I’m learning a lot
365 is my favorite saw out if them all I got it for 80 bucks it's pretty good at everything not a big as 372 but comparable power
Hey man noticed you said the xtorqe top end won’t fit the other im just gonna say i done it. All i had to do was grind the heads down a bit on the 2 lower transfer port screws on the clutch side
Worst thing about this chassis is that metal guide for the starter rope. If you don't pull straight up it'll get sharp over time and cut your new rope within a month when it gets really bad. Fix is a completely new cover, makes a weathered saw look weird.
I had the same issue with Stihl 046s. Years ago my dealer told me if I started the saw like they designed it to be started the starter, rope, handle, and thimble should last a long time. I changed how I start all my saws and stopped wearing those parts out every month including my 2018 372 x-torque that I purchased new. Now with youtube I cringe everytime I see someone drop start a saw or put the bar on a log and yank the starter rope back at a 45 degree angle to what it should be and remember the times I wore starters out like crazy.
I’m gonna direct peeps to this episode from now on 😁👊
Pound for pound either of those saws are the best firewood saw for guys under 60 years old.
I agree they are great saws.
I use my 372 XP OE for standard clearing work, but my 346XP OE for fire wood. Try a 346XP OE... or even NE out on firewood, and let me know if your opinion has changed...
So will the 372 top end fit on either one
Great video
Could he use farmer tec or what ever that brand is for parts for his Johnny red ?
I think the Special is twice the saw over the X-torq
I have the plain Jane 365 my dad had it since mid 90s
Really stupid question, but I just do not know. What does the decomp valve do on the 365 special? Why and when do you use it? Thank you for your time.
i have a 2000 365 Special i love this saw.
If you put a cylinder and piston on the x-torq base from xp or sp, will it work without other modifications?
Original 365 has the chain tension screw out the front and orange top cover clips. More in common with a 371XP than a 372XP.
I would love to have a set of those fab Willy spikes
The 365 x torque is a walboro carburetor also at least my 2012 model that's what it is matter of fact I just ordered one last week for it and $165
The 365 specials are just a 48mm 372oe. Same quad port jug and intake. The early plain 365's were open port with am odd bolt on intake boot. The special run very close to a 372oe
From my reading the specials are 65cc and the x torqs are 70 ish -same as 372
The father in law had a 365 special in the shed for 8 years after it had been stripped to the side of his logging truck for 10. He told me to pressure wash it (which terrified me),we got a new bar and chain, then replaced a fuel line. Started third pull after sitting that long. Wild.
Does this mean though if I bought a modern x torq for interchangeability, it wouldn't be a good idea?
Your dead right mate
I have a 1997 model 365 original, 48mm open port and came out with the 371’s with orange air filter clips 👍
Yes I agree the 365 special are the best
My 365x torque is factory it pulls a 28-in bar with no problem it's a 71 cc saw I ripped lumber with it
Where did you get the bumper spikes on your 365 special
Can X-Tough Light bars fit on a 365 Special? Do the X-Cut chains work with these light bars?
I got a echo 370 side cover on my 2171 painted red
where did you get the dogs /spikes for the 365 special saw tinman
I live in ohio I had a bare bone 365 with the short stroke and I also have the 365 special
Hay Tinman you need a 3d printer or now somebody has one I love them
I’d love to have a 365 special. Not a fan of the strato saws.
Early editions not reliable. However Husky 572 awesome saw.
You can still buy 365 special and 372 new from Malaysia ask Kenzie
I love my 365 x torque it's not to far off my 572xp
Hey man i have two 365xtorques 2014 and 2015 models. You want to mod them?
Great information, thanks Tinman. Did you get me email about strapping a 288 top end on a 268 chassis? Just wondering if it's a doable mod or am I dreaming. As always enjoy the clip. TC Tinman Mahalo 🤙🤙🤙
Yes mate your dreaming. You can probably exceed the 268 crank bearing limits with an orangutan port on the original cylinder anyway.
Hey Tinman. Hope all is well!
It’s just great to find a good used Xtorq and grind the baffles and get that instant 20% to 25% jump up in power… grab your 4” grinder and slice in a fishgill in that old muffler and vrooom vrooom baby!!!! You got you a wood cuttin’…. MO-Sheen!!!! 😂😂😂
Thank you.
What is the standard 365 in bore and stroke? I have a chance to purchase one but it doesn’t say special and I know it’s not an X-Torque.
36mm stroke, 48mm bore
I have the original 2001 372xp and 1989 61 husky's!
I have 365 sp old 20 years and it still runs but it have low compression and power i plan on rebuilding it
Apa yang membedakan. Ke 2 mesin itu bos ?
Hey mate, just found your channel, great info. I've looking to upgrade my 450 and have found a barely used 08 365 special, when I say barely used it still has the bar code sticker underneath the trigger guard and no paint missing from under the bar nuts. I live in Australia and everything here is more expensive especially at the moment, but the guy is asking $1100 (around $780 usd) was wondering if you think that's a bit steep. Anyway cheers 👍
@Schwalbe_262 Hahaha I wish. Best price I've been able to find for a new 527 is $2050 and from a genuine Husqvarna dealer they're $2130 minimum.
Hey a fellow Aussie,$1100 can just about get you a brand new 372xp non x-Torq if you know the right people. If the 365 is hardly used and you can get someone to have a look at the piston. I'd pay max 850. Most secondhand 365sp here sell from 550-750 in good order.
@@rabbithatethefox Learning new things every day :) yeah I'm pretty new to the world of chainsaws, well new to buying them at least, the second hand 450 was my first purchase a year ago (had lived in the city for 8 years before moving back out to the country). I'll ask around a bit more and see if some of the old boys have any connections. Very grateful for the input btw.
@@Biscuitabuse no worries. I have a 365sp I may be interested in selling.I need to check it over.If interested I can give you my email.
@@rabbithatethefox Cheers for the offer mate. As luck would have it my 450 shat itself last weekend(never assume someone has mixed the fuel properly for you), so my old man has offered his old 345 to use for the time being. And as I've never experienced a new saw I might take the next few weeks to save up a few more sheckles and treat myself to a brand spanker.
I agree with you 100% they are the best saw ever made
I have a 2001 365 special.
TINMAN 😁😁✊✊✊🇨🇦🇨🇦 if I had the x torque model,I would put the old school 372 top end on it ,less rotating PISTON weight
I'll go 52mm oldschool top end with a 272 piston.
@@tinmanssaws now I'm gonna have to find a blown up 365 and try that combination out summer project lol,,STAY safe TINMAN LOVE THE VIDEOS YOUR putting out
You need a ms 361
Where did u find them dogs
Tinman we have a ton of 200 series parts, if you ever need anything.
whats the difference between a 365 special and a plane 365 .....?
Princess Auto white table?
13 minutes in ...and you show us the differences
365 xtq is one hp less than the 372 xtq huge difference
Husqvarna 254.I have a cylinder kolbenschmidth 073/3A+ from the 80s, what piston should I put?Mahle or Meteor piston?HELP.
O yea and I also have 365 body's I'm in the USA
Tinman do you make those dogs on the special?
I'm thinking they're from Fab Willy.
@@jeffreyrubish347 does fab willy have a website? Or find him here?
@@ryanarthur3641 I think he just makes them for friends.
If you want to do a comparison with a stock 365 let me know, I will let you borrow mine. I live in Winnipeg.
Definitely the O44
Very different and similar at the same time. I'd take a 044 for+24", but run a 20 on my 372
Quick question? Do you ever not have a smashed finger? Lol.
i have 365 and 372 the 365 i think pulls better
regular 365 is a jonsered 2165
2171 jonsered for me as better build
First view!
And you want a 372 xp to build I could help ya out it be in a basket
Thanks for the offer, I've bought many since this video. Take care
Yea I didint see the date lol I just get caught up watching ya lol
1997 model just regualr 365 not special or x torque
Tinman you still have power and does buckin still have power.