Here's a big difference between Cornell and Dyson. In 4 minutes Dyson went on and on and barely made any legitimate points about anything relevant. If you heard Cornell talk for 4 minutes it would be packed with knowledge and precise evaluations about the state of the world. Seems like the majority of the comments on here agree.
I think West and Dyson never make a coherent point with any detail. It's all reverence and word salad. 5 minutes of West he bounces from one big word to another without ever making a point beyond a slogan
100% TEAM WEST. Cornell West is intellectually honest and has the courage to say the truth, despite pressure to sugarcoat it from timid pseudo-intellectual sycophants like Michael Eric Dyson
Cornel West is the pseudointellectual who gets reckless with his words all the time. Hes the divisive one. MED is being rational and you can't refute what he says so you resort to personal attacks. MED never does. West does.
@@AceofDlamonds MED is the fake. He tries to play word games but he never says nothing. He called Jordan Peterson an "angry white man" while engaged in a civil dialogue. So don't say he "never" resorts to name calling. He does. He is a liberal nut job
Dr. West is a genuinely brilliant man who actually constructs his own arguments and talking points whereas these two chuckleheads just parrot the flavor of the week buzzwords and talking points.
This guy just talked a lot of empty garbage. Didn't make a single point that made any sense. What has he ever actually done to even be called an intellectual?
I felt that MED lost or sold some soul on this piece. Dr. West wins the battle of perception, because he continued to be with the people getting arrested and speaking about and participating. At the end of the day what price are you willing to pay for what you want or believe.
ME Dyson is full of crap. He creeps me out. He's always angry and talks like a narcissist. The only person who he consistently supports and endorses is himself.
Great observation. He sounds like Oswald Bates from In Living Color sketch comedy show. Has diarrhea of the mouth and talks in straight up word salad. I even parodied it on my channel with an interview he did with Joy Reid and I spliced in Oswald Bates and it matched up perfectly. This man is a Trainwreck and paid puppet for the WS and Alphabet mafia. Lamar Hill, had the nerve to go on Candace Owens Show and proclaimed that he think men can get pregnant. Like what?? That 100% put the nail in his coffin in my book.
My grandfather used to say, “You can’t throw mud on somebody without getting your own hands dirty.” This beef between Dyson and West is internecine in nature and greatly diminishes the stature of both men.
***** I really don’t understand how you can come to the conclusion that neither one of them has anything to say when both of them have published extensively, received numerous book awards, are in constant demand for speaking engagements, and are professors at prestigious universities. It seems to me that they have plenty to say, and what they have to say is in great demand. As far as your race baiting accusation is concerned, I find it to be disingenuous since America has a history of well documented race problems, and acknowledging those problems from time to time can hardly be considered race baiting.
***** The audiences of Dyson and West have extended far beyond as you put it, “leftist academics and confused college kids.” They have accepted invitations and appeared in a variety of conservative venues including appearances on Fox News, Crossfire, Hannity, and O’ Reilly, to mention a few; these are not exactly bastions of liberalism. West has even formed friendships with avowed conservatives such as Princeton professor Robert P. George. So, it would seem that there are many conservatives who think they have something substantial to say, whether they agree with them or not.
If this tiresome hot air balloon would just quit trying soooooo hard to sound intelligent, he might actually get to the point in one tenth the time. Brevity... not his forte.
I would LOVE for a sit-down between Dyson and West to happen. I'd like to know why Cornel West felt compelled to do everything in his power to undermine and harm Obama's administration. He's all about love and compassion but he had none for the first black president, he had nothing to teach him? I lost a lot of respect for Dr. West; most, in fact.
mandyinseattle I think because he is principled and Obama is a charlatan and a fiend. Cornel doesn't seem to think it matters if the president is black or white, it's about what they do. Seems simple enough to me. He does the same thing with Hillary, the former potential "first female president."
mandyinseattle ...what exactly did Obama do for blacks while in office?...he did more for the gay rights movement then he did for the civil rights movement..why was none of these murders of unarmed black men by police ever looked into seriously by the justice dept...an there were alot of brothers killed on his watch...not one conviction by an officer out of the many...you cant give your blessings to a black man just bc he's black...you give it to him when he does the right thing an as far as these issues an many more he failed as president...
mandyinseattle because Obama lost his soul and balls once he got into the White House. Many black people and middle class whites lost their homes because of Wall Street. Obama bailed out the crooks and allow the banks to take people homes. And he never prosecuted any of those bankers. I can go on and on about Obama fucked up policies in his 2 terms. I voted for him twice but I saw the true Obama in his last term. Cornel call him out on what he did, nothing personal
@@nelsonartemio4218 and one who outwardly has no love for the black community. He was a plant to begin with, yet they want to say Donald Trump was Public Enemy Number One and he didn't do nearly the amount of damage and destruction to undermine the black community, spit in our faces and tell us it's sprinkles. This was all an overblown effort of look over there and not over here.
when i first heard dyson spoke i thought he was wise. after listening to him over the years, he starting to sound like jessie Jackson. on an on and saying very little. so much for the black intellectuals
Robert Linton they’re all neoliberals that are sponsored by Wall Street. Everyone plays a piece in the puzzle and they all make money while we suffer. The media and the government should relocate to broadway bc they’re the biggest performance we have in this country
Eric Dyson lost all of his credibility when he called Jordan Peterson and angry white man. I'm 49 seconds and and I'm leaving there's no point I made my comment and that's all I'm here for I won't listen to this moron.
Sir, just because there is a long tradition of public feuding, doesn't mean it's right. Vicious cycles of Long traditions, but should still be broken. You can explain how the laundry got cleaned without describing or highlighting the process. Whenever I see this sort of thing, I always wonder how much of this is just trying to stay relevant or in the public domain for personal gain, whether that be for the ego, financial or both.
Michael Eric Dyson is a mix breed you can tell by the color of his skin. But like some people with this situation they identify solely as black. Which brings up the Axiom, the first LIE we tell is the LIE we tell ourselves
I listened to this whole thing and I have no idea what this Dyson guy just said. He starts with "There's redemption even in ruin." Then he throws in a comment about the [black] housewives of Atlanta. Says shit like "I wouldn't gender the pain." Says "Having emotional justice is not at the same time the kind the exercise of structural issues that are at stake as well." How the fuck do you black people understand him. And he's a professor?
+Colonel Angus Not trolling, but I don't see what's difficult about those comments. Redemption in ruin simply means one gains something, or some things, when he's at his lowest point. Gender the pain was a response to the blogger who suggested that this kind of fighting is limited to men, like stereotyping men as being aggressive and women as meek. Emotional justice vs. structural issues, aka using emotional growth and victory to benefit others through practical solutions, rather than keeping it for yourself.
+Darryl Jones Any claim about an argument's "irrelevance" stems from understanding, otherwise you would be incapable of making that judgement. I'm also not surprised with the way we throw around the word "irrelevance" at will. In many contexts, this word is used to denigrate anything that presents itself as intellectual, it's a code word. We currently live in a populist country with a TV game show host for president who spends more time eating Big Macs than reading books.
Gary Clutch Clark MED was asked a question about about whether he and CW took their arguments personally. Of the four key points Dyson made only one was relevant to the question. The relevant answer was his last point that acknowledged an emotional response. The point of redemption in ruin, while reflective of outcomes didn't substantively address why the fight has escalated or why he continues the discourse. The relevance of the ATL housewives comment along with gender discussion simply distract from the substance of his arguments. Excellent debate strategy to mask that his position is both elitist and compliant with White supremacy.
I agree "When Dr. WEST SPEAKS, EVERYBODY LISTENS"! But, I do not want to see the two most intellectual Black men that I most admire ar Odds with one another!
I came on UA-cam because I just got turned on to Thomas Sowell. I used to be a fan of Cornel West but his ideas are not founded on an accurate perusal of reality. My guess is that Cornel West is afraid of a face-to-face debate with Thomas Sowell. Cornel West is a wonderful and delusional Entertainer, Sowell sticks to being an intellectual of the highest caliber.
Here's a big difference between Cornell and Dyson. In 4 minutes Dyson went on and on and barely made any legitimate points about anything relevant. If you heard Cornell talk for 4 minutes it would be packed with knowledge and precise evaluations about the state of the world. Seems like the majority of the comments on here agree.
I think West and Dyson never make a coherent point with any detail. It's all reverence and word salad. 5 minutes of West he bounces from one big word to another without ever making a point beyond a slogan
I stand with Dr. Cornel West.
Cornel West is so damn reckless he crossed the line
100% TEAM WEST. Cornell West is intellectually honest and has the courage to say the truth, despite pressure to sugarcoat it from timid pseudo-intellectual sycophants like Michael Eric Dyson
Cornel West is the pseudointellectual who gets reckless with his words all the time. Hes the divisive one. MED is being rational and you can't refute what he says so you resort to personal attacks. MED never does. West does.
@@AceofDlamonds
MED is the fake. He tries to play word games but he never says nothing. He called Jordan Peterson an "angry white man" while engaged in a civil dialogue. So don't say he "never" resorts to name calling. He does. He is a liberal nut job
Dr. West is a genuinely brilliant man who actually constructs his own arguments and talking points whereas these two chuckleheads just parrot the flavor of the week buzzwords and talking points.
This guy just talked a lot of empty garbage. Didn't make a single point that made any sense. What has he ever actually done to even be called an intellectual?
The public doesn't deem anyone an intellectual. They get that name by way of academia.
iali00 ...to deep for you to understand...
Cornel West is to social scholars as Chick Corea is to musicians.
Michael Eric Dyson is the Justin Bieber of the social scholars.
sidx45 loooooooooool 😂😂😂😂
@@theisisreincarnate chick corea?
a whole lot of nothing
I felt that MED lost or sold some soul on this piece. Dr. West wins the battle of perception, because he continued to be with the people getting arrested and speaking about and participating. At the end of the day what price are you willing to pay for what you want or believe.
Yeah not fellin' ole' Eric. Prof. West does not need to sit down with this guy.
How can one man huff so many farts?
ME Dyson is full of crap. He creeps me out. He's always angry and talks like a narcissist. The only person who he consistently supports and endorses is himself.
Great observation. He sounds like Oswald Bates from In Living Color sketch comedy show. Has diarrhea of the mouth and talks in straight up
word salad. I even parodied it on my channel with an interview he did with Joy Reid and I spliced in Oswald Bates and it matched up perfectly. This man is a Trainwreck and paid puppet for the WS and Alphabet mafia. Lamar Hill, had the nerve to go on Candace Owens Show and proclaimed that he think men can get pregnant. Like what?? That 100% put the nail in his coffin in my book.
My grandfather used to say, “You can’t throw mud on somebody without getting your own hands dirty.” This beef between Dyson and West is internecine in nature and greatly diminishes the stature of both men.
Young Paderewski the stature of both men? are you kidding me? they are both idiots!
***** Really, and why do you think that?
*****
I really don’t understand how you can come to the conclusion that neither one of them has anything to say when both of them have published extensively, received numerous book awards, are in constant demand for speaking engagements,
and are professors at prestigious universities. It seems to me that they have plenty to say, and what they have to say is in great demand. As far as your race baiting accusation is concerned, I find it to be disingenuous since America has a history of well documented race problems, and acknowledging those problems from time to time can hardly be considered race baiting.
*****
The audiences of Dyson and West have extended far beyond as you put it, “leftist academics and confused college kids.” They have accepted invitations and appeared in a variety of conservative venues including appearances on Fox News, Crossfire, Hannity, and O’ Reilly, to mention a few; these are not exactly bastions of liberalism. West has even formed friendships with avowed conservatives such as Princeton professor Robert P. George. So, it would seem that there are many conservatives who think they have something substantial to say, whether they agree with them or not.
@@youngpaderewski3668 Dumest shit I've heard, but go off
Just wondering can someone please explain to me in detail the disagreement Michael Eric Dyson and Cornel West have?
Dyson didn't want West to criticize the Obama government .
@@hendrixjoe555 Thanks , I had know idea what the fuss was all about!
What the hell is "Emotional Justice"?
Ask neely fuller
not a good look for either scholar
What an empty conversation. So much abstract gesturing and so little content; not that I would expect anything else from MED.
Dyson is an airhead.
My god, barley two minutes in and I am utterly hampered by his verbosity. So difficult to listen to.
Um MED wtf did you even say
Why these gentleman get so much coverage compared to Thomas Sowell pretty much sums up the mess we’re in today.
Cornell west is great, It's just Micheal eric dyson
Thank you for this
If this tiresome hot air balloon would just quit trying soooooo hard to sound intelligent, he might actually get to the point in one tenth the time. Brevity... not his forte.
I would LOVE for a sit-down between Dyson and West to happen. I'd like to know why Cornel West felt compelled to do everything in his power to undermine and harm Obama's administration. He's all about love and compassion but he had none for the first black president, he had nothing to teach him? I lost a lot of respect for Dr. West; most, in fact.
mandyinseattle I think because he is principled and Obama is a charlatan and a fiend. Cornel doesn't seem to think it matters if the president is black or white, it's about what they do. Seems simple enough to me. He does the same thing with Hillary, the former potential "first female president."
mandyinseattle ...what exactly did Obama do for blacks while in office?...he did more for the gay rights movement then he did for the civil rights movement..why was none of these murders of unarmed black men by police ever looked into seriously by the justice dept...an there were alot of brothers killed on his watch...not one conviction by an officer out of the many...you cant give your blessings to a black man just bc he's black...you give it to him when he does the right thing an as far as these issues an many more he failed as president...
mandyinseattle because Obama lost his soul and balls once he got into the White House. Many black people and middle class whites lost their homes because of Wall Street. Obama bailed out the crooks and allow the banks to take people homes. And he never prosecuted any of those bankers. I can go on and on about Obama fucked up policies in his 2 terms. I voted for him twice but I saw the true Obama in his last term. Cornel call him out on what he did, nothing personal
It is entirely appropriate to criticize war criminals.
@@nelsonartemio4218 and one who outwardly has no love for the black community. He was a plant to begin with, yet they want to say Donald Trump was Public Enemy Number One and he didn't do nearly the amount of damage and destruction to undermine the black community, spit in our faces and tell us it's sprinkles. This was all an overblown effort of look over there and not over here.
How embarrassing for Eric
when i first heard dyson spoke i thought he was wise. after listening to him over the years, he starting to sound like jessie Jackson. on an on and saying very little. so much for the black intellectuals
Robert Linton they’re all neoliberals that are sponsored by Wall Street. Everyone plays a piece in the puzzle and they all make money while we suffer. The media and the government should relocate to broadway bc they’re the biggest performance we have in this country
Eric Dyson lost all of his credibility when he called Jordan Peterson and angry white man. I'm 49 seconds and and I'm leaving there's no point I made my comment and that's all I'm here for I won't listen to this moron.
Sir, just because there is a long tradition of public feuding, doesn't mean it's right. Vicious cycles of Long traditions, but should still be broken. You can explain how the laundry got cleaned without describing or highlighting the process. Whenever I see this sort of thing, I always wonder how much of this is just trying to stay relevant or in the public domain for personal gain, whether that be for the ego, financial or both.
Dyson is correct, but I understand West as well
+Chris Louis Imagine that!!! Takes a mature individual to see good on both sides..
Michael Dyson never has seen a camera he didn't want
“Huxtering snake oil pulpit talk!” -Stephen Fry
Michael Eric Dyson is a mix breed you can tell by the color of his skin. But like some people with this situation they identify solely as black. Which brings up the Axiom, the first LIE we tell is the LIE we tell ourselves
Almost 3 years later and Dyson’s criticism of West in TNR is still valid. That is neither good nor bad, just true.
I've never heard someone who talks so much and says so little as Michael Dyson.
I listened to this whole thing and I have no idea what this Dyson guy just said. He starts with "There's redemption even in ruin." Then he throws in a comment about the [black] housewives of Atlanta. Says shit like "I wouldn't gender the pain." Says "Having emotional justice is not at the same time the kind the exercise of structural issues that are at stake as well." How the fuck do you black people understand him. And he's a professor?
+Colonel Angus Not trolling, but I don't see what's difficult about those comments. Redemption in ruin simply means one gains something, or some things, when he's at his lowest point. Gender the pain was a response to the blogger who suggested that this kind of fighting is limited to men, like stereotyping men as being aggressive and women as meek. Emotional justice vs. structural issues, aka using emotional growth and victory to benefit others through practical solutions, rather than keeping it for yourself.
Gary Clutch Clark The absence of understanding comes from the irrelevance of both the individual points and the collection in total.
+Darryl Jones Any claim about an argument's "irrelevance" stems from understanding, otherwise you would be incapable of making that judgement. I'm also not surprised with the way we throw around the word "irrelevance" at will. In many contexts, this word is used to denigrate anything that presents itself as intellectual, it's a code word. We currently live in a populist country with a TV game show host for president who spends more time eating Big Macs than reading books.
Gary Clutch Clark MED was asked a question about about whether he and CW took their arguments personally. Of the four key points Dyson made only one was relevant to the question. The relevant answer was his last point that acknowledged an emotional response.
The point of redemption in ruin, while reflective of outcomes didn't substantively address why the fight has escalated or why he continues the discourse.
The relevance of the ATL housewives comment along with gender discussion simply distract from the substance of his arguments.
Excellent debate strategy to mask that his position is both elitist and compliant with White supremacy.
We need to stand with Cornell.
And also address that thiccccnezz @03:25
Junior need to sit down. Dr West is above your reach.
I agree "When Dr. WEST SPEAKS, EVERYBODY LISTENS"! But, I do not want to see the two most intellectual Black men that I most admire ar Odds with one another!
Dyson just talks nonsense, I can't see any argument for him being an intellectual
I came on UA-cam because I just got turned on to Thomas Sowell.
I used to be a fan of Cornel West but his ideas are not founded on an accurate perusal of reality.
My guess is that Cornel West is afraid of a face-to-face debate with Thomas Sowell. Cornel West is a wonderful and delusional Entertainer, Sowell sticks to being an intellectual of the highest caliber.
What do you think about Michael Dyson the guy in this video?
That funny, you should say that - I for years was thinking why Thomas Sowell and Cornel West , have'nt had not one single debate !
Why are bros arguing...are people got real problems...
Round table of the race baiters
Georgetown's finest ?!?!?
Talked for 4 minutes and said nothing...empty vain talk
This guy uses a lot of buzz words....
He says a lots to not be saying very much.
Dyson is a dope
Love 'em both!
Twitter memory is so short
Now I see why I chose Michael Eric Dyson instead of Cornel West. Dr. West holds no reserve for righteous indignation
Cornel West is such a joke.