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Two alchemists were murdered over 30 years ago Camille. Do you remember them? Camille: Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?!
@@tenritniehtnoyugmodnar5661 camille is kind of like a spy that kills anyone that poses a threath towards her Clan(Clan Ferros),she also according to the wiki maintains order across piltover and zaun which means she may have killed some people that worked with renata and since Camille basically kills hundreds and thousands of people,saying that basically narrows down nothing to Camille
@@tenritniehtnoyugmodnar5661 Also a quote from Batman beyond where future Batman confronts the murderer of his parents where the guy basically goes "Who the hell are you?" Future Batman responding "You murdered my parents!" directly followed by "Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?"
I like the voice line about Seraphine. It makes sense for Renata to hate her, unlike the ones of previous champions which are just used to make fun of her and nothing else.
i think zeri's line make sense though. like zeri is out there risking her life to save zaunites while seraphine... sing songs... i guess... i mean, not like seraphine doesnt do anything, its just in comparision to zeri's effort, seraphine's "contribution" seems really small (one could even say meaningless). i agree the gwen one is kinda random (but she did travelled to PnZ in the ruination event so supposedly she does know about seraphine to some extend, but i assume not enough to say smth like "a stage, a voice, is that really all that you are", in gwen's personality i think she would just be curious and maybe enjoy the show)
The "How much could a health potion cost? 10,000 gold line" is actually a reference to Arrested Development where they say the same thing but about a banana
Not to mention it seems a point of her was destroying that idea of "kindness" she prob would retain from her folks. Compared to SIlco who was ..idealist..? (Is that right?) and let his emotion get ahead of him ( even in the first act with Vander)
@@Teddy-se8qb we already know that and it is creepy as fuck. spoilers they have sentient food bandle city and what lulu means by that tasted purple is. that she took a bite out and ate a piece of a purple bipedal essential talking food person. you can literally see where she bite him as a piece of his arm is missing.
@@wladynoszhighlights5989 Bc near every champ is considered some sort of genius It’s not a problem for me but it’s funny to be surprised by geniuses at this point
@@adyankhazix1476 her w is too op to be a basic ability they should just remove the revive when you kill someone and instead make it reset the burn timer.
10:27 just wanna point out that she says "invest" and not "invent", which means chemtech probably already existed for a good while but Renata was the first one to see it's marketable potential
Corrections: - We saw Jinx tinkering in the Legends of Runeterra Cinematic for PnZ. So we know that she understands a thing or two about engineering. The LoR Cinematics are canon, so it counts. - The 10 000 g Potion joke is a reference to "Arrested Development", where the mother thinks a single banana costs 10 Dollar.
@@azrieldalusong5042 they did do a retcon not long after her launch but now it's in a "to be continuted" state she will most likely try to help the brackerns. now that skarner won the rework it would be a great opportunity to expand her lore too.
Despite her being pretty unambiguously evil with her wanting to destroy Piltover, She also seems to have done more good for Zaun than most of the "heroes". She has started a major business that presumably employs thousands of workers, provides cheap equipment for the Zaunite workers, and even handed out free masks during a chemical disaster. All of her wealth was created through legitimate inventions and takeovers, rather than sabotage and brute force tactics. (Though it does sound like she forces some inventors to work for her?) Obviously a large part of that is in service to destroying Piltover, but to the Zaunites I wouldn't be surprised if she is unambiguously a hero. She reminds me of Lex Luthor.
That or Doom lol. Though out of both of them it def seems to me less pride of " behold, ME, I AM RIGHT" and more so her showing the world she isnt that weak girl, her parents were fools, etc ( even if she cared for them. They are naturally good natured - she just stomped hers far far down in a sense)
Yeah, I really don't think Camille would ever be the hero of the story tbh but more like an enemy to the anti-hero that is Renata- unless Riot decides to be really fuckin tone deaf I guess
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if she is considered a hero and savior for zaunites , and compared to Camille she does more good then evil and would say she's more sympathetic, so i wouldn't call her a villain she walks the lines of anti villain and anti hero
"The difference between medicine and poison is the dosage" is actually a reference to a quote from an ancient philosopher Paracelsus, who said that "The dose makes the poison". But it's just a little nitpick, I love your videos and as always, great work!
This is exactly why I want older champions to have voice lines redone, Nidalee has nothing and still refers to you as "summoner", same with MF and Brand, but around them, the lore has changed drastically and we've even seen how much MF has actually changed compared to her league self. Nidalee has a whole tribe now, has met neeko, and a whole region has been made where she is but you wouldn't even know cause she says nothing about it. ...That and the ninuendo's get annoying real fast...
8:00 there was a Joker toxin in one of the Batman Animated Movies that was separated into three beauty products and only activated when all the were applied. Only the people that had money and status could afford to buy all three products if I remember correctly which targeted the rich without doing harm to the poor.
I feel like Renata is one of those 'Ozymandias' heroes. While she's more grounded and isn't as idealistic as her parents were. She still has their good nature imbedded in her. Sure she wants to take over the Sun Gate and her Mind control/Berserk products are everywhere in Piltover and Zaun. I think it's a bit of a Chekhov's Gun in which she might actually end up being the one that saves Piltover and Zaun. or Ends both.
she did say that she loves the city but IF she needs to burn it down to take down piltover well... as from that quote pretty much saying that she will do everything to take down Piltover. I wouldn't call her hero but I can't really her a villain either..
@@lag00n54 yeah that's why I call her an Ozymandias hero like in Watchmen because he did villainous things for the greater good. The biggest giveaway for me was when she still cursed Janna for not helping Zaun when they needed her the most. The Chemtech incident was what started Renata on the path to power so she should actually be thanking Janna's lack of interference but to still be cursing her for it shows she actually cared about Zaun and Piltover.
Would Orianna be immune to Renata's mind control gas/poison? I mean...since she doesn't have organic lungs or brains! Also, how is Orianna not mentioned while both have such a connection to the Chemical disaster in Zaun!
Because Orianna isn't a notable character and I doubt anyone even knows she exists. To everyone except her dad, she's just yet another robot walking the streets of Piltover.
7:43 Both of those phrases are true to real life. The difference between a medicine and a poison really is the dosage in many cases which is why it's so important to give the correct amount for the desired effect. Similarly for the comparison between the surgeon and a butcher because but have experience with anatomy and cutting things up, but the goals are different. Should we call Camille a butcher despite her surgical precision because she's killing people instead of healing them?
Quick fun fact: „The difference between mecidine and poison is the dosage“ is a famous quote by Paracelsus, a swiss doctor and philosopher. The sentence is quite common in swiss german, my father used to say it a lot.
Like most enchanter supps nowadays are played :D Staying in backline, occosionally healing & stuff but otherwise letting the adc/other teammates do most work
@@wladynoszhighlights5989 it’s just the community view of enchanter supports. Everyone always thinks enchanter supports are played by UwU girl gamers like “yeah here I’ll heal you now go shit on them!” But Renata is like “yes I’ll peel for you now shit on them FOR ME otherwise you literally just die and be useless”
She is so well written (and well voiced, might I add) and has such interesting depth to her. Genuinely surprised that Riot would make such a bad-ass champion of an older woman. It's wonderful. 7:13 had me tearing up ♥
I genuienly hope that Riot won't continue this trend that they started with Arcane, and instead every story related content in other media will be canon to the core universe. If it isn't then it will just confuse people who watched Arcane for example. I really hope that they either make Arcane canon and rewrite Piltover's story around it, or not do this same thing with the other seasons, IF they will be set in new regions
The problem is Arcane is a planned out narrative experience while LoL is a spread out worldbuilding exercise. The reason why so many characters got condensed into roles they weren't initially (Singed is Ori's dad, Jayce was Caitlyn's family's ward) is because Arcane writers tried to make a singular intertwined narrative experience where each character is important. Lore of League on the other hand focuses on expanding the universe, creating many independent stories that happen simultaneously that create the feeling of grandeur and that the world is much bigger than the singular person. Each approach has it's benefits and detriments. I would much rather see a seperate game and cinematic universe they stick to and simply exchange ideas when they feel like it. The lore of LoR, for example, is to me very interesting and I much rather prefer they focus on merging these too than Arcane and games.
@@MrBlueKitsune We knew very little about Piltover's and Zaun's lore even to begin with, some things in Arcane are answers to questions that we had for years (Are Vi and Jinx sisters). There is no reason why couldn't they make Arcane into a good narrative experience while staying very close to the canon. They can make good experiences for people, and this doesn't require the games, future seasons of Arcane, or even films not to be canon. There was no reason for the Warcraft film to be different from WoW's lore either. The only thing that you can achieve with this segmented universe is that you will confuse people when they want to explore your universe in other media. The whole making different games or Arcane just partially canon thing makes no sense, and isn't necessary at all. I think it just ruins people's experience
At that point unfortunately, you can't rewrite core League lore to be like arcane without retconning most stuff. I still hope that Vi and Jinx backstory are basically the same in core League and Arcane, tho
@@Korinengamecorp I too hope that Vi&Jinx's backstoryes are very similar to Arcane, because this way the lore in the show doesn't go to "waste". About the retcons, I think they can be very good depending on what does it retcon, and how. Like if they retconned the Ruination event and made an entire new story, nobody would be angry about them doing it.
i appreciate that the newest female character is fully covered. they even gave her a mask to really hammer it home that shes most certainly not kai'sa.
And in doing so made her so intimidating, so stylish, and so appealing of a design! It conveys such *character* unique to her, rather than being another cookie cutter young thin mandatorily sexy lady. She's middle-aged, grizzled, broad-shouldered, *and* sexy!
I just love characters like Renata and Silco, that express their power most by influence and persuasion, not exactly intimidation. None of them order their threaten their subordinates with death, but punish them with it for treason. You can still be useful if you keep loyal, you can still thrive if you show that you are not against them, the only thing is that you will have to give more of yourself to make up for your failure. Interestingly, you can also see that their strength and resilience induce people to thrust and respect them more, enhancing their charismatic figure. Riot really made me take off the hat for that, because it was such a careful and interesting study of contrasting Zaun's most notorious counterparts: Noxus' strength-expression intimidation and Piltover's death-threatening intimidation.
4:30 Wasn't it always known? Or at least heavily implied. In Tales of Runeterra, for example, she on a whim manages to use a Hextech power source for a rocket launcher. It didn't work exactly as she wanted, but still.
I mean. In the LoR piltover cinematic Jinx does build a rocket with heimer's invention. So while it wasn't outright stated, it has been implied she's at least a decent engineer.
The health potion line is a reference to Arrested Development, when the character (Lucille) says "It's one banana, Michael, what could it cost? Ten Dollars?"
Just a little mistake ill like to point out, it is mentioned in her bio that Jinx was a tinkerer, her background on being an inventor was previously stablised, not everything comes out from Arcane.
Aww I kind of want to hear more from her like an interaction with Dr Mundo and Urgot but still I'm quite satisfied with her compared to the other recent champs
I always thought that Jinx being smart was canon because she wouldn't be buying her weapons and explosives so she was cleary making them. Anyway now it's confirmed
since she talks about loyalty so much, i wonder if she is some kind of future Sevika, Sevika's mother or related to her. but Arcane isn't cannon and all that.
"I mean its one health potion, what could it cost? Ten thousand gold" is actually a reference to an arrested development quote where lucile says the same thing about a frozen banana. Lucile Bluth: . “I mean it's one banana, Michael, what could it cost, 10 dollars?”
"I mean its one health potions. what could it cost? 10000 gold" is a reference to Arrested Development when Lucile Bluth says, "It's one banana, Michael. What could it cost? $10 dollars?" 2 rich older women who have no idea how much things cost.
I hope she allies with the heroes, she seems like a great character, not evil, just not altruist. She isn't even that greedy, she could even help someone who has nothing to give to her, just for loyalty. Of course she wouldn't be helping people when she has nothing to gain, she is not 100% good, but I love the way she likes to work.
7:39 The difference between medicine and poison is the dosage... Yes you can take it as a mirroring reference to Camille's vioce line, but it can be a mirroring reference to Paracelsus too,: "All substances are poisons; there is none which is not; the dose differentiates a poison from a remedy (medicine)." *He was also a physician and alchemist during the Renaissance. Maybe Riot got inspired by him, maybe not, who knows, but Renata Glasc certainly reminded me of him when she said that voice line.
The line about medicine and poison is actually also one of the oldest well known quotes in chemistry / biochem "sola dosis facit venenum", it's not just some twist on Camille's line
9:35 "I provide people with two options: Do what I want or Do what I want but with more steps" is definitely a Rick and Morty Reference "That's just slavery with extra steps"!
I mean Rek'sai's growls (for me) feal frequent as the voicelines of Irelia mentioning all the peaple that died in the war. But the fact that most of the gameplay she is borrowded you hear less voiceline. The deapth of the voice line is another thing, she litterally narrate all the books of Dune if you combine the audios
The voice line about dosage being the difference between medicine and poison is also true in the real world. It’s the first thing they teach you in pharmacology classes for nursing school.
Wait how does she not have an interaction with Urgot??? The man's whole thing is trying to destroy the Chem-barons, you'd think she'd mention him or something
Jinx makes it pretty clear that she made her own stuff. Especially if you watch her original release video. It's not in the bio, but it's not unstated at all prior to arcane either
I think the lime about her doing what I want but with more steps is a reference to you either doing what she wants or she pulls the strings and manipulate the situation to getting what she wants anyways.
Coming back after a long break to fill my spare time with some good games 😊 I appreciate the insight on such an awesome champ - I hope to make some great plays with her 👏🏻 LOVE a good voice acting and learning about their lore.
Remember that Jhin is seen in Piltover last time (in the Awaken cinematic) Renata (who can influence others directly or otherwise) and Jhin (arguably the most twisted person one can influence) can and will probably brush elbows sooner or later.
I'm not gonna lie I didn't expect her death voice line to make me cry till I saw this video since I didn't know the context beforehand until I watched your renatas story video. I just started playing her and watching your videos necrit solidified my motivation to main her so thank you truly. 👍
I'm still new to League's lore, so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but I feel as if Riot has a pattern of releasing champions they think are interesting (but are not), then releasing champions who are actually interesting. There's almost like a cadence to it.
Zeri interesting in the idea of what she may become, like a start up "legend " with ekko, but mostly was to bring in Renata into scene alongside her? ( I think there was a delay on the champs etc)
The line with ekko also can be interpreted diferent. In her lore say she search for talented youngs in zaun and she act as a mecenas for them and their familys in exange of giving their work and inventions only to the glask company ( in a permanent contract). Many accept this to escape the poverty of zaun slumps. So she is trying to temp ekko to work for her saying she would help ekko parents in exange
the quote about the health potion, i believe is more akin to the series "Arrested Development" where the character Lucielle say "it's one banana Micheal, how much could it cost? Ten dollars?"
The joke about the health potion may be a reference to a Lucille Bluth quote from Arrested Development: “I mean it's one banana, Michael, what could it cost, 10 dollars?”
Tbh before I watched Arcane and before it came out I was expecting Riot to retcom lots of Piltover stuff to match with the show. Ant it actually makes sense, I wouldn't be mad about it. So many other champs changed lore with time, some not even with a reason. Making Arcane canon was expected to me and still... it didn't become reality.
@@that1nerdyblackgirl736 Fair enough, I do hope they integrate some key parts like Jinx and Vi's backstory, Vi and Cait being girlfriends, Singed's new personality, Jayce and Viktor's personalities, and pretty much every bit of new lore about Heimerdinger as canon. Everything else I can chalk up to as "artistic license for Arcane" with varying degrees of acceptance.
@@ScorpionViper1001 welp Vander is Warwick is up in the air. And i still think riot looks like they want to update ekko model to have dreadlocks (I never fully understood why the Mr.T Mohawk look was agreed upon for his hair. But that me being nit picky)
Now that I think about, it's really interesting design of character. While she is merciless and archives all her goals by force and unfair ways, she still is inside crying for someone to accept/be with her. I presume this mostly on voice actor accentuation. For example on every line with parents, like for example: "Kind, but FOOLISH". She goes extremely soft on kind, like it's something worth prising and really hard on FOOLISH to show that she will not do it herself. Interesting.
I like her comment about dosage because while it does mirror Camille it’s also true. A lot of venoms are actually used as cures for certain conditions if the correct dosage is used with no negative effects
i hope riot updates the voice lines for so many champs, especially the old ones . for me having a lot and good deep voicelines makes a champ much more intersting , and gives it more flavor. playing someone like malphite with just 5 quotes including taunt,joke,champ select its really sad
Wasn’t Jinx’s technical expertise teased years before Arcane? And the fact we knew since her released that she built her arsenal? I mean the progress Day tales of Runeterra showed Jinx was Able to understand how a hexcore work.
This might be a weird connection but whenever I hear “she who controls the sungate, controls the world” I think of the heartland theory and Mackinders famous quotes of “Whoever rules the Heartland, will rule the World Island.”
I like this take on the ruthless businessman/woman, her story and how she's uses persuasion and loyalty over brute force is very reminiscent of the early days of Pablo Escobar, in fact it wouldn't surprise me if someone at the Riot lore department watched Narcos or did some research, because Pablo was also early to the coke trade and formed the cartel and went into politics and tried to win the trust of the every day people of Columbia etc etc, Renata is a really neat take on that
Two alchemists were murdered over 30 years ago Camille. Do you remember them?
Camille: Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?!
Ik i'm kinda stupid but I didn't get the joke, can you please explain?
@@tenritniehtnoyugmodnar5661 camille is kind of like a spy that kills anyone that poses a threath towards her Clan(Clan Ferros),she also according to the wiki maintains order across piltover and zaun which means she may have killed some people that worked with renata and since Camille basically kills hundreds and thousands of people,saying that basically narrows down nothing to Camille
@@handonfrogo So basically she killed thousands of people to the point she has no evidence against camille of which person she killed?
@@tenritniehtnoyugmodnar5661 Also a quote from Batman beyond where future Batman confronts the murderer of his parents where the guy basically goes "Who the hell are you?" Future Batman responding "You murdered my parents!" directly followed by "Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?"
@@siliarba lol
I like the voice line about Seraphine. It makes sense for Renata to hate her, unlike the ones of previous champions which are just used to make fun of her and nothing else.
Riot rather go in on the hate bandwagon rather than fix her smh.
@@travisprescott9708 it's not a bandwagon is ops point
i think zeri's line make sense though. like zeri is out there risking her life to save zaunites while seraphine... sing songs... i guess... i mean, not like seraphine doesnt do anything, its just in comparision to zeri's effort, seraphine's "contribution" seems really small (one could even say meaningless). i agree the gwen one is kinda random (but she did travelled to PnZ in the ruination event so supposedly she does know about seraphine to some extend, but i assume not enough to say smth like "a stage, a voice, is that really all that you are", in gwen's personality i think she would just be curious and maybe enjoy the show)
It makes sense for All zaunites to hate her
@@Xemnes135869 Why? Not all Zaunites hate her, all she does is singing to them.
The "How much could a health potion cost? 10,000 gold line" is actually a reference to Arrested Development where they say the same thing but about a banana
I thought it was a commentary about how expensive medical bills are.
“I mean it’s one banana, Michael, what could it cost, 10 dollars ?” - Lucille Bluth. RIP Jessica Walter you Legend
I thought it was new cost of Insulin in USA(which is actually super believable )
yes !!! cant believe how many of people missed that ! though it is pretty vague .
@@Gummybearkillerr it's a pretty popular meme too :P
She is like female Silco, with twice the rage(if that is even possible) and a more advanced endgame plan.
Silco Sees a Piltovan: "To the last, I shall grapple with thee."
Renata Sees a Piltovan: *'Doom: Eternal' music starts playing*
True
Not to mention it seems a point of her was destroying that idea of "kindness" she prob would retain from her folks. Compared to SIlco who was ..idealist..? (Is that right?) and let his emotion get ahead of him ( even in the first act with Vander)
Presence of Camille in lore always has me on my toes, she's such an insane character
Same, so nice to see her getting mentioned!
Is...is that supposed to be a joke for Camile's foot?
@@Somespideronline Imagine giving her socks for Christmas?
@@tenritniehtnoyugmodnar5661 I'd die lmao
"A way to explain lore to people who are too lazy to read"
THATS EXACTLY WHY I ENJOY YOUR STUFF
he needs to do a breakdown on what taste purple to lulu
Oh wow didn't think I'd see you here lad
@@Teddy-se8qb we already know that and it is creepy as fuck. spoilers
they have sentient food bandle city and what lulu means by that tasted purple is. that she took a bite out and ate a piece of a purple bipedal essential talking food person. you can literally see where she bite him as a piece of his arm is missing.
Your pfp suggests that you enjoy his stuff a bit too much.
Jinx's finally getting some recognition. She isn't just a really good engineer, she is an absolute genius.
Her first trailer/video was already setting her up as an engineer.
Geniuses are a dime a dozen at this point lol
@@essay2111 Fr
@@essay2111 why
@@wladynoszhighlights5989 Bc near every champ is considered some sort of genius
It’s not a problem for me but it’s funny to be surprised by geniuses at this point
Renata is by FAR one of the best champs we've gotten in a while, her design is amazing
Art Design Hell yeah! but Gameplay Design is a bit questionable.
Her art and character design are great, She gives me big Swain vibes. Also her death quote is really sad, she did care about her parents deeply.
@@mc_jojo3 wdym her game design is great and by far the best we've gotten in years
Who knew we needed a female Swain 🤷🏽♂️
@@adyankhazix1476 her w is too op to be a basic ability they should just remove the revive when you kill someone and instead make it reset the burn timer.
Honestly, props to her voice actor. She has a vile, not too young, intimidating yet charming voice actor with good acting. 👌🏻
That’s Debra Wilson for ya!
10:27 just wanna point out that she says "invest" and not "invent", which means chemtech probably already existed for a good while but Renata was the first one to see it's marketable potential
People think investing means inventing just look at Elon musk whole public recognition. People think he invented every single thing his companies make
@@josea.ram.457 Yup... a lot of people really do think that paying for something to be made is the same as making something...
Corrections:
- We saw Jinx tinkering in the Legends of Runeterra Cinematic for PnZ. So we know that she understands a thing or two about engineering. The LoR Cinematics are canon, so it counts.
- The 10 000 g Potion joke is a reference to "Arrested Development", where the mother thinks a single banana costs 10 Dollar.
Seraphine's interaction is about her parents, they were zaunites that moved from Zaun to give Sera a better life, so they betrayed Zaun
Seraphine's lore really needs a retcon
The little "song of unity" is, i assume, in renata's perspective, a bunch of crap too
@@azrieldalusong5042 they did do a retcon not long after her launch but now it's in a "to be continuted" state
she will most likely try to help the brackerns. now that skarner won the rework it would be a great opportunity to expand her lore too.
@@imStorm3r I hope they give her ahsoka treatment
@@azrieldalusong5042 sry, im not that familiar with star war
1:41 "Camille might be the main hero". Too many murdered parents to be a hero, i think.
Those parents had it coming.
@@Morec0 HAHAHA
@@Morec0 Even renata's, who in lore are known for giving help to others asking nothing in return ?
@@alucard0596 literally her parents were so sweet
@@ThePunkina1 i know right ? they tasted so good.
Despite her being pretty unambiguously evil with her wanting to destroy Piltover,
She also seems to have done more good for Zaun than most of the "heroes".
She has started a major business that presumably employs thousands of workers, provides cheap equipment for the Zaunite workers, and even handed out free masks during a chemical disaster.
All of her wealth was created through legitimate inventions and takeovers, rather than sabotage and brute force tactics. (Though it does sound like she forces some inventors to work for her?)
Obviously a large part of that is in service to destroying Piltover, but to the Zaunites I wouldn't be surprised if she is unambiguously a hero.
She reminds me of Lex Luthor.
That or Doom lol. Though out of both of them it def seems to me less pride of " behold, ME, I AM RIGHT" and more so her showing the world she isnt that weak girl, her parents were fools, etc
( even if she cared for them. They are naturally good natured - she just stomped hers far far down in a sense)
She's fit to rule because she takes care of her people for the exchange of their loyalty.
Yeah, I really don't think Camille would ever be the hero of the story tbh but more like an enemy to the anti-hero that is Renata- unless Riot decides to be really fuckin tone deaf I guess
Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if she is considered a hero and savior for zaunites , and compared to Camille she does more good then evil and would say she's more sympathetic, so i wouldn't call her a villain she walks the lines of anti villain and anti hero
I think it’s cool how she called Seraphine a traitor because she was from zaun parents that moved to piltover.
"The difference between medicine and poison is the dosage" is actually a reference to a quote from an ancient philosopher Paracelsus, who said that "The dose makes the poison".
But it's just a little nitpick, I love your videos and as always, great work!
Its from both
This is exactly why I want older champions to have voice lines redone, Nidalee has nothing and still refers to you as "summoner", same with MF and Brand, but around them, the lore has changed drastically and we've even seen how much MF has actually changed compared to her league self. Nidalee has a whole tribe now, has met neeko, and a whole region has been made where she is but you wouldn't even know cause she says nothing about it. ...That and the ninuendo's get annoying real fast...
And Cho'gath but Cho really needs a full VGU
since they had the actress in studio recently for the LoR and ruined king games, i'm shocked riot did not update MF voice lines
@@arnaldocosta1298 same, but who knows.
@@arnaldocosta1298 they would also need to visually update her too to match her lore. She deserves an ASU like Caitlyn and Ahri
I wish they would do voice line updates like big time some champs don’t need reworks they just need updates
8:00 there was a Joker toxin in one of the Batman Animated Movies that was separated into three beauty products and only activated when all the were applied. Only the people that had money and status could afford to buy all three products if I remember correctly which targeted the rich without doing harm to the poor.
I feel like Renata is one of those 'Ozymandias' heroes. While she's more grounded and isn't as idealistic as her parents were. She still has their good nature imbedded in her.
Sure she wants to take over the Sun Gate and her Mind control/Berserk products are everywhere in Piltover and Zaun. I think it's a bit of a Chekhov's Gun in which she might actually end up being the one that saves Piltover and Zaun. or Ends both.
I feel that there are other champs that have stories connected to zaun and pullover they need to finish before they do that
@@CyrusL I agree
she did say that she loves the city but IF she needs to burn it down to take down piltover well...
as from that quote pretty much saying that she will do everything to take down Piltover.
I wouldn't call her hero
but I can't really her a villain either..
@@lag00n54 yeah that's why I call her an Ozymandias hero like in Watchmen because he did villainous things for the greater good.
The biggest giveaway for me was when she still cursed Janna for not helping Zaun when they needed her the most. The Chemtech incident was what started Renata on the path to power so she should actually be thanking Janna's lack of interference but to still be cursing her for it shows she actually cared about Zaun and Piltover.
Would Orianna be immune to Renata's mind control gas/poison? I mean...since she doesn't have organic lungs or brains!
Also, how is Orianna not mentioned while both have such a connection to the Chemical disaster in Zaun!
Because she probably didn't know about her, the others are either bigger figures like jinx or viktor or just a nuisance like ekko and zeri
Because Orianna isn't a notable character and I doubt anyone even knows she exists. To everyone except her dad, she's just yet another robot walking the streets of Piltover.
Isn't Oriana one of those forgotten characters collecting dust?
7:43 Both of those phrases are true to real life. The difference between a medicine and a poison really is the dosage in many cases which is why it's so important to give the correct amount for the desired effect. Similarly for the comparison between the surgeon and a butcher because but have experience with anatomy and cutting things up, but the goals are different. Should we call Camille a butcher despite her surgical precision because she's killing people instead of healing them?
Quick fun fact: „The difference between mecidine and poison is the dosage“ is a famous quote by Paracelsus, a swiss doctor and philosopher. The sentence is quite common in swiss german, my father used to say it a lot.
10:05 Is definitely a reference to Dune's: "the one who controls the spice controls the universe"
I thought it was a George Orwell reference Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.
@@pandanomicon7789 given dunes I think is also about trade politics etc I'd imagine its the closer one o:
It's weird that there are no urgot voice lines. He's the baron slayer. . . She a chembaron, I thought that was like his whole thing
Fr dude like wtf man i was so dissapointed
Chemtech mommy vs Hextech mommy.
I love the irony of Renata. She’s a enchanter support but she kinda makes you work for her lol.
Like most enchanter supps nowadays are played :D
Staying in backline, occosionally healing & stuff but otherwise letting the adc/other teammates do most work
@@wladynoszhighlights5989 it’s just the community view of enchanter supports. Everyone always thinks enchanter supports are played by UwU girl gamers like “yeah here I’ll heal you now go shit on them!” But Renata is like “yes I’ll peel for you now shit on them FOR ME otherwise you literally just die and be useless”
She is so well written (and well voiced, might I add) and has such interesting depth to her. Genuinely surprised that Riot would make such a bad-ass champion of an older woman. It's wonderful.
7:13 had me tearing up ♥
I assumed Jinx was already smart and an engineer since she builds her own weapons. I don't think that's exclusive to Arcane
I genuienly hope that Riot won't continue this trend that they started with Arcane, and instead every story related content in other media will be canon to the core universe. If it isn't then it will just confuse people who watched Arcane for example. I really hope that they either make Arcane canon and rewrite Piltover's story around it, or not do this same thing with the other seasons, IF they will be set in new regions
The problem is Arcane is a planned out narrative experience while LoL is a spread out worldbuilding exercise. The reason why so many characters got condensed into roles they weren't initially (Singed is Ori's dad, Jayce was Caitlyn's family's ward) is because Arcane writers tried to make a singular intertwined narrative experience where each character is important. Lore of League on the other hand focuses on expanding the universe, creating many independent stories that happen simultaneously that create the feeling of grandeur and that the world is much bigger than the singular person. Each approach has it's benefits and detriments. I would much rather see a seperate game and cinematic universe they stick to and simply exchange ideas when they feel like it. The lore of LoR, for example, is to me very interesting and I much rather prefer they focus on merging these too than Arcane and games.
@@MrBlueKitsune We knew very little about Piltover's and Zaun's lore even to begin with, some things in Arcane are answers to questions that we had for years (Are Vi and Jinx sisters). There is no reason why couldn't they make Arcane into a good narrative experience while staying very close to the canon. They can make good experiences for people, and this doesn't require the games, future seasons of Arcane, or even films not to be canon. There was no reason for the Warcraft film to be different from WoW's lore either. The only thing that you can achieve with this segmented universe is that you will confuse people when they want to explore your universe in other media. The whole making different games or Arcane just partially canon thing makes no sense, and isn't necessary at all. I think it just ruins people's experience
At that point unfortunately, you can't rewrite core League lore to be like arcane without retconning most stuff.
I still hope that Vi and Jinx backstory are basically the same in core League and Arcane, tho
@@Korinengamecorp I too hope that Vi&Jinx's backstoryes are very similar to Arcane, because this way the lore in the show doesn't go to "waste". About the retcons, I think they can be very good depending on what does it retcon, and how. Like if they retconned the Ruination event and made an entire new story, nobody would be angry about them doing it.
you realize the larger a property gets the harder it genuinely is to do that
i appreciate that the newest female character is fully covered. they even gave her a mask to really hammer it home that shes most certainly not kai'sa.
And in doing so made her so intimidating, so stylish, and so appealing of a design! It conveys such *character* unique to her, rather than being another cookie cutter young thin mandatorily sexy lady. She's middle-aged, grizzled, broad-shouldered, *and* sexy!
I just love characters like Renata and Silco, that express their power most by influence and persuasion, not exactly intimidation. None of them order their threaten their subordinates with death, but punish them with it for treason. You can still be useful if you keep loyal, you can still thrive if you show that you are not against them, the only thing is that you will have to give more of yourself to make up for your failure.
Interestingly, you can also see that their strength and resilience induce people to thrust and respect them more, enhancing their charismatic figure. Riot really made me take off the hat for that, because it was such a careful and interesting study of contrasting Zaun's most notorious counterparts: Noxus' strength-expression intimidation and Piltover's death-threatening intimidation.
I agree!
I love the hero - villain dynamic between her and Zeri
Hopefully that will get a bit of meat behind it in Renata's color story. Right now Zeri's a bit underbaked in my opinion.
Her joke is a direct reference to Arrested Development, when Lucille says "How much could a banana cost? Ten dollars?"
4:30
Wasn't it always known? Or at least heavily implied. In Tales of Runeterra, for example, she on a whim manages to use a Hextech power source for a rocket launcher. It didn't work exactly as she wanted, but still.
Yeah, kinda weird for Necrit to say that when there's a bunch of canon examples of her skills being shown or at least implied...
"finally, i will see them again"
Excited to die? Aatrox? Is that you?
I mean. In the LoR piltover cinematic Jinx does build a rocket with heimer's invention. So while it wasn't outright stated, it has been implied she's at least a decent engineer.
All the Jinx's weapons are handmade by her. This was always indicated in the lore.
The health potion line is a reference to Arrested Development, when the character (Lucille) says "It's one banana, Michael, what could it cost? Ten Dollars?"
Man I can't wait for the lore event where Renata gets cancelled by Piltover on twitter for making hairy perfume
Seraphine stans attack on Renata perfume page confirmed, this battle will be legendary, better prepare my best Lux skin for this occasion
Just a little mistake ill like to point out, it is mentioned in her bio that Jinx was a tinkerer, her background on being an inventor was previously stablised, not everything comes out from Arcane.
Yesss, there's also plenty of nods to that in a bunch of canon content.
Aww I kind of want to hear more from her like an interaction with Dr Mundo and Urgot but still I'm quite satisfied with her compared to the other recent champs
I really wanted an urgot interaction too :/
I always thought that Jinx being smart was canon because she wouldn't be buying her weapons and explosives so she was cleary making them. Anyway now it's confirmed
Why doesn’t she have any interactions with Urgot? Hes going around killing chembarons.
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In her trailer she does have one or I just confused it with something else
Isn't warwick the one that is hunting chembarons?
@@christiancolasito8266 urgots whole lore is about how he's brining down the chembarons
Atleast she knows what kindness is. She calls it foolish but still she knows its kindness.
I see hope.
"I'll make you kill your love ones is a far bigger threat than any gun." By far my favorite voiceline by her.
since she talks about loyalty so much, i wonder if she is some kind of future Sevika, Sevika's mother or related to her. but Arcane isn't cannon and all that.
"I mean its one health potion, what could it cost? Ten thousand gold" is actually a reference to an arrested development quote where lucile says the same thing about a frozen banana. Lucile Bluth: . “I mean it's one banana, Michael, what could it cost, 10 dollars?”
After Aphelios, I think honestly, Renata is the only jaw dropping and truly "different" champion
This voice line technique was the reason why I love and played a lot of Lissandra. I love tragic story
"I mean its one health potions. what could it cost? 10000 gold" is a reference to Arrested Development when Lucile Bluth says, "It's one banana, Michael. What could it cost? $10 dollars?"
2 rich older women who have no idea how much things cost.
The sad thing is she has no interactions with Urgot :(
I hope she allies with the heroes, she seems like a great character, not evil, just not altruist. She isn't even that greedy, she could even help someone who has nothing to give to her, just for loyalty. Of course she wouldn't be helping people when she has nothing to gain, she is not 100% good, but I love the way she likes to work.
7:39 The difference between medicine and poison is the dosage...
Yes you can take it as a mirroring reference to Camille's vioce line, but it can be a mirroring reference to Paracelsus too,:
"All substances are poisons; there is none which is not; the dose differentiates a poison from a remedy (medicine)."
*He was also a physician and alchemist during the Renaissance.
Maybe Riot got inspired by him, maybe not, who knows, but Renata Glasc certainly reminded me of him when she said that voice line.
The line about medicine and poison is actually also one of the oldest well known quotes in chemistry / biochem "sola dosis facit venenum", it's not just some twist on Camille's line
9:35 "I provide people with two options: Do what I want or Do what I want but with more steps" is definitely a Rick and Morty Reference "That's just slavery with extra steps"!
Renata has a bit of Silco's belief, she still believes in Loyalty, and of course when betrayal comes in death will happen.
I wonder if she was the one who saved him (if silco is canon in the main lore)
I mean Rek'sai's growls (for me) feal frequent as the voicelines of Irelia mentioning all the peaple that died in the war.
But the fact that most of the gameplay she is borrowded you hear less voiceline.
The deapth of the voice line is another thing, she litterally narrate all the books of Dune if you combine the audios
The voice line about dosage being the difference between medicine and poison is also true in the real world. It’s the first thing they teach you in pharmacology classes for nursing school.
Wait how does she not have an interaction with Urgot??? The man's whole thing is trying to destroy the Chem-barons, you'd think she'd mention him or something
This champion makes feel things, i like that
Jinx makes it pretty clear that she made her own stuff. Especially if you watch her original release video. It's not in the bio, but it's not unstated at all prior to arcane either
The line about poison is also a reference to the popular quote: "The dose makes the poison". My grandpa used to always say that.
oh damn that janna line is good. i am absolutely OBSESSED with girlboss renata glasc
They're like Kyogre and Groudon with their eyes
Urgot would be Rayquaza to Camille and Renata's Groudon and Kyogre
I think the lime about her doing what I want but with more steps is a reference to you either doing what she wants or she pulls the strings and manipulate the situation to getting what she wants anyways.
Coming back after a long break to fill my spare time with some good games 😊 I appreciate the insight on such an awesome champ - I hope to make some great plays with her 👏🏻 LOVE a good voice acting and learning about their lore.
10:05 worth the mention its also a reference to DUNE, but instead spice its the sun gate
Remember that Jhin is seen in Piltover last time (in the Awaken cinematic)
Renata (who can influence others directly or otherwise) and Jhin (arguably the most twisted person one can influence) can and will probably brush elbows sooner or later.
Hell Yeah
I'm not gonna lie I didn't expect her death voice line to make me cry till I saw this video since I didn't know the context beforehand until I watched your renatas story video. I just started playing her and watching your videos necrit solidified my motivation to main her so thank you truly. 👍
Camille Vs Renata, the great grandma fight
"sign youre little songs of unity while you can TRAITOR!" i love you Renata
I'm still new to League's lore, so take my opinion with a grain of salt, but I feel as if Riot has a pattern of releasing champions they think are interesting (but are not), then releasing champions who are actually interesting. There's almost like a cadence to it.
Zeri interesting in the idea of what she may become, like a start up "legend " with ekko, but mostly was to bring in Renata into scene alongside her? ( I think there was a delay on the champs etc)
Sucks for Silco! Even though Arcane isn’t cannon, he really tried to make an independent nation; only to have ruled by another sad person.
The line with ekko also can be interpreted diferent. In her lore say she search for talented youngs in zaun and she act as a mecenas for them and their familys in exange of giving their work and inventions only to the glask company ( in a permanent contract). Many accept this to escape the poverty of zaun slumps. So she is trying to temp ekko to work for her saying she would help ekko parents in exange
Indeed is more likeable. Ekko is exactly the kind of young genius that she would like to assume.
the quote about the health potion, i believe is more akin to the series "Arrested Development" where the character Lucielle say "it's one banana Micheal, how much could it cost? Ten dollars?"
I think it was already revealed that Jinx is smart, because of the piltover animated short, where she used hextech to upgrade fishbones.
10:05 is a direct reference from Dune..."He who controls Spice, controls the universe!"
The joke about the health potion may be a reference to a Lucille Bluth quote from Arrested Development: “I mean it's one banana, Michael, what could it cost, 10 dollars?”
Can we get fiddlesticks’ lore again because we really want to know if it is updated or anything. Fiddlesticks for me has the most intriguing lore
She calls Seraphine traitor as her parents are Zaunites and she lives in piltover now.
Tbh before I watched Arcane and before it came out I was expecting Riot to retcom lots of Piltover stuff to match with the show. Ant it actually makes sense, I wouldn't be mad about it. So many other champs changed lore with time, some not even with a reason. Making Arcane canon was expected to me and still... it didn't become reality.
I'm hoping they're waiting to see how fans react when PNZ's story is fully done to start retconning stuff. But yeah, feels bad man.
Which i feel as horrible misstep in riots part but hell if comic books empires can have multiple storylines why not video game companies
@@that1nerdyblackgirl736 Fair enough, I do hope they integrate some key parts like Jinx and Vi's backstory, Vi and Cait being girlfriends, Singed's new personality, Jayce and Viktor's personalities, and pretty much every bit of new lore about Heimerdinger as canon. Everything else I can chalk up to as "artistic license for Arcane" with varying degrees of acceptance.
@@ScorpionViper1001 welp Vander is Warwick is up in the air. And i still think riot looks like they want to update ekko model to have dreadlocks (I never fully understood why the Mr.T Mohawk look was agreed upon for his hair. But that me being nit picky)
The 7:24 line is also a direct reference to the show Arrested Development, when Lucille says: "It's one Banana, what could it cost? 10 dollars?"
Now that I think about, it's really interesting design of character. While she is merciless and archives all her goals by force and unfair ways, she still is inside crying for someone to accept/be with her. I presume this mostly on voice actor accentuation. For example on every line with parents, like for example: "Kind, but FOOLISH". She goes extremely soft on kind, like it's something worth prising and really hard on FOOLISH to show that she will not do it herself. Interesting.
7:30, this is a Arrested Development Joke, in which Lucille Bluth, asks it's only one bannana...what could it cost? 10 dollars?
I wonder if we'll get to see more of her lore, or an appearance in Arcane.
You can see Jinx being a good engineer in the Tales of Piltover cinematic
Funny how nobody's talking how arcane season 2 teaser literally has Renata's ultimate at the end frame
"Finally I can see them again." ouch... this line hurts a lot...
I like her comment about dosage because while it does mirror Camille it’s also true. A lot of venoms are actually used as cures for certain conditions if the correct dosage is used with no negative effects
Let’s go the chemtech mommy is here
inventing and investing are 2 different actions. One is a generation of a new idea, turned into reality. The other is to help make the idea viable.
"Where were you when we needed you the most, Janna"
Janna: "Perma roaming"
Feels like all the new champions have a jab at Seraphine wish they’d try to make her more interesting lore rather then just being seen as a joke :(
i hope riot updates the voice lines for so many champs, especially the old ones . for me having a lot and good deep voicelines makes a champ much more intersting , and gives it more flavor. playing someone like malphite with just 5 quotes including taunt,joke,champ select its really sad
vex has been the only champ to really interest me since sett so I am glad to see another I like so soon
I genuinely wish they would make a lore accurate animation for league involving all the characters.
How the video goes:
1. Voice line (Glasc)
2. OF COURSE
3. And explanation
Wasn’t Jinx’s technical expertise teased years before Arcane? And the fact we knew since her released that she built her arsenal?
I mean the progress Day tales of Runeterra showed Jinx was Able to understand how a hexcore work.
This might be a weird connection but whenever I hear “she who controls the sungate, controls the world” I think of the heartland theory and Mackinders famous quotes of “Whoever rules the Heartland, will rule the World Island.”
What do you mean Rek'sai's Voicelines doesn't enhance her character?? She is easily one of if not the most relatable character in the game
Raaaah
I like this take on the ruthless businessman/woman, her story and how she's uses persuasion and loyalty over brute force is very reminiscent of the early days of Pablo Escobar, in fact it wouldn't surprise me if someone at the Riot lore department watched Narcos or did some research, because Pablo was also early to the coke trade and formed the cartel and went into politics and tried to win the trust of the every day people of Columbia etc etc, Renata is a really neat take on that
"It's a banana Michael. What could it cost? 10 dollars?" from Arrested Development