once you are about to use your envenom, let your energy pool up to almost full, this way you can hit envenom then use your 1-2 mutilates while the envenom buff is still up as its only a few seconds long
@@NM-vj8nc Not worth it with assassination as you want to use the combo point on 4-5 point envenoms to maintain as high uptime on the envenom buff (which increases poison proc chance for a few seconds)
@@NM-vj8nc very rarely, in assassination spec it costs 60 energy and will only give you 1 combo point whereas opening up with a mutilate gives at least 2 (more if crits) - more combo points into a slice n dice increases the chance of relentless strikes proc, and if you are lucky you sometimes a cheeky bonus combo point from ruthlessness on your first SND. Also really important is that if you are casting tricks on the tank then mutilate opener is pretty good opening threat.
Can someone explain to me, why we have to use deadly on fast weapon in main hand? I played a lot with assa rogue in wotlk few yrs ago but in my mind it was slow mh with deadly and fast oh with instant. Ty for your answer ✌️
deadly gets the deadly ticks rolling faster = more dps, plus once it hits 5stacks it'll be procing your instant poisons as often as if you had it on your main hand anyway... it's just stupid not to use deadly on main hand unless you're just killing trash that dies too fast to benefit from the deadly poison ticks. hope that helps :)
Make sure you use a cancel aura macro of you're going to use Tricks on cooldown, otherwise that one DPS might catch up to your tank in threat without realizing it or having a threat drop. Keep in mind this is a personal DPS loss and the added 20% damage doesn't count on logs for the target player, it's in its own category. It really just pads out the meters, not parses
@@FreekillGaming if you don't have rolling tricks on 1 person it's not going to make a significant difference. If you're a rogue and doing your job right you should be almost top DPS anyway at least. Comps will of course vary but unless you're a speed running top guild, no, it's a waste
@@decegrease You roll tricks on affli locks. 1 on pull and 1 on 35% ish. Its a BIG enough difference to boost your GUILDS killtime and so forth improving ALL your guilds dps parses. Not just your. Minmaxxing things to improve your guilds killtime is why guilds like bipolar are The top dogs by far.
@@FreekillGaming so if you don't have the rogues to do that, then it is a waste of time. Like I said, comps vary, but if the amount of damage I give them is close to as much as I would do saving the energy for myself, then that's a waste
Go assass, there's no cooldown reliance and you get fan of knives for AOE at 80 anyway. Most importantly its fun to poke large creatures with incredibly tiny weapons until they fall over for some reason!
With the blood splatter talent, 30% increased garrote and rupture damage. Rupture does more damage then envenom. So why isn’t rupture kept up in the rotation?
@JZiggelkov depends how many combo points you’re spending, a 5 combo point envenom will refund 25 energy so it’s absolutely fine to hit the button at 50 energy
Yea their spec doesn’t include the %30 more damage for garrote and rupture, i was wondering the same thing, because i start with garrote and keep rupture up at all times. If i start with garrote i can instantly put up hunger for blood, and then have the 8% damage increase to mutilate and put up slice and dice. But that’s just how i see it.
He said fast weapon mh and slow of this is very wrong:)) i play wotlk since 2012 on private server and bis weapon for assa mh is 1.8 from lk and 1.4k from vali it s the second bis dagger wich is in of
It takes 5 combo points to keep it stacked for a rogue vs 1 sunder by any warrior. That isn't being selfish, that is being a raid aware teammate. If you have no warriors and aren't exposing, then you're sand bagging your raid.
So you deside to make a "guide" that isn't in depth as promised at the start of the video, not talking about feint, trashmob aoe dmg, energi pooling and the weakauras is just a bunch of shit in the middle of the screen for all characters. Not worth my time. There is literally 15 of this exact guide out there from other CC and are more "in depth"
@@MetaGoblin Need and need, i always look for ways in improving my gameplay. Hoping to learn something new, hence the negative comment about the "in depth" being more shallow then most of the "guides" And if the guide is aimed at casual players, why name the guide like you did? Why not specify your audience?
Hey meta, good video. I stopped by your stream a few days ago to get your input on whether I should roll a Ret or rogue and asked for your input on the classes. You read my comment and kind of had a rude answer. You seemed annoyed by my question and just said “whatever class you can get a raid spot on”. It was kind of an arrogant answer and caught me off guard since you seem friendly in your UA-cam vids. Maybe I caught you on a bad day? @metagoblin
@JZiggelkov being able to get a raid spot is a viable thing to consider, but unless you are 100% trolling it’s pretty easy to get a spot on most specs in the game. He gave zero input on the classes weakness or strengths. It was mainly the way he answered my question, he just scoffed at it and seemed annoyed by it. I’m not saying he’s a bad dude, but as a content creator, you should at least take the time to answer a simple question from a viewer without being a dick
once you are about to use your envenom, let your energy pool up to almost full, this way you can hit envenom then use your 1-2 mutilates while the envenom buff is still up as its only a few seconds long
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Am I never supposed to use garrote in raid environment?
Also, do I never use rupture even with the 10 % set bonus dmg increase?
@@NM-vj8nc Not worth it with assassination as you want to use the combo point on 4-5 point envenoms to maintain as high uptime on the envenom buff (which increases poison proc chance for a few seconds)
@@NM-vj8nc very rarely, in assassination spec it costs 60 energy and will only give you 1 combo point whereas opening up with a mutilate gives at least 2 (more if crits) - more combo points into a slice n dice increases the chance of relentless strikes proc, and if you are lucky you sometimes a cheeky bonus combo point from ruthlessness on your first SND.
Also really important is that if you are casting tricks on the tank then mutilate opener is pretty good opening threat.
@@NM-vj8nc nope, you’ll want to be just using Envenom - the only time you’d rupture is to put up a bleed to refresh Hunger for Blood
Can someone explain to me, why we have to use deadly on fast weapon in main hand? I played a lot with assa rogue in wotlk few yrs ago but in my mind it was slow mh with deadly and fast oh with instant. Ty for your answer ✌️
deadly gets the deadly ticks rolling faster = more dps, plus once it hits 5stacks it'll be procing your instant poisons as often as if you had it on your main hand anyway... it's just stupid not to use deadly on main hand unless you're just killing trash that dies too fast to benefit from the deadly poison ticks. hope that helps :)
Ahh okay, thanks for your answer 😉
Make sure you use a cancel aura macro of you're going to use Tricks on cooldown, otherwise that one DPS might catch up to your tank in threat without realizing it or having a threat drop.
Keep in mind this is a personal DPS loss and the added 20% damage doesn't count on logs for the target player, it's in its own category. It really just pads out the meters, not parses
Well zach it helps parses because tricks boosts your killtime. Better kill time better parses.
@@FreekillGaming if you don't have rolling tricks on 1 person it's not going to make a significant difference. If you're a rogue and doing your job right you should be almost top DPS anyway at least. Comps will of course vary but unless you're a speed running top guild, no, it's a waste
@@decegrease You roll tricks on affli locks. 1 on pull and 1 on 35% ish. Its a BIG enough difference to boost your GUILDS killtime and so forth improving ALL your guilds dps parses. Not just your. Minmaxxing things to improve your guilds killtime is why guilds like bipolar are The top dogs by far.
@@decegrease Its ignorant, selfish and outright stupid to not use tricks on pumper affli warlocks. It helps everyones parses.
@@FreekillGaming so if you don't have the rogues to do that, then it is a waste of time. Like I said, comps vary, but if the amount of damage I give them is close to as much as I would do saving the energy for myself, then that's a waste
what if you have weapons of the same speed? do you want to aim for weapons that have different speeds?
Great stuff, thank you :-)
so im leveling my rogue right now should I spec to assass for dungeons at 80 or stay combat?
Go assass, there's no cooldown reliance and you get fan of knives for AOE at 80 anyway. Most importantly its fun to poke large creatures with incredibly tiny weapons until they fall over for some reason!
Ty!
Just want to point out Ruthlessness works with melee finishing moves only, so u should never get a combo point from Slice and Dice.
I thought rupture should be in rotation?Since T7 & T8 both have bonus to rupture.
With the blood splatter talent, 30% increased garrote and rupture damage. Rupture does more damage then envenom. So why isn’t rupture kept up in the rotation?
Because Envenom gives you a buff that increases your poison damage and you want that buff to have the best possible uptime.
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is there a version for the loon addon for warmane private server ?
You DON'T apply instant poison on your slow weapon, you apply it on your fast weapon.
Wait to Envenom at 80ish Energy to get more mutilates in
Nah you only need to wait until 50-55, you only need 2 mutilates
@JZiggelkov depends how many combo points you’re spending, a 5 combo point envenom will refund 25 energy so it’s absolutely fine to hit the button at 50 energy
hi mate.
do you know what called the addon that u can track more then one gathering item like herbalism and mining ?
gathermate i think
Is the assassination build more efficiency than the combat build for a 50%pvp 50%pve player ?
what race in horde ?
Is this easy to execute or it's a hard rotation and easy to fak up?
probably the easiest rotation in wrath
Do you not open with garrotte?
Yea their spec doesn’t include the %30 more damage for garrote and rupture, i was wondering the same thing, because i start with garrote and keep rupture up at all times. If i start with garrote i can instantly put up hunger for blood, and then have the 8% damage increase to mutilate and put up slice and dice. But that’s just how i see it.
@Justin opening with garrote guarantees hfb, but thats if you dont have a warr or feral
Top dps in my guild is a rogue, top by a country mile as well.
He said fast weapon mh and slow of this is very wrong:)) i play wotlk since 2012 on private server and bis weapon for assa mh is 1.8 from lk and 1.4k from vali it s the second bis dagger wich is in of
Instant Poison on Slow MH or Deadily Poison on Slow MH?
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Lol don't expose unless you want to turn from pumper to dumper.
True way to play a rogue is to be a seflish douche let's be honest 😂
It takes 5 combo points to keep it stacked for a rogue vs 1 sunder by any warrior.
That isn't being selfish, that is being a raid aware teammate. If you have no warriors and aren't exposing, then you're sand bagging your raid.
@@Seanb1152 I don't think you realise that're I've already agreed with that statement 🤣
@@MetaGoblin I never said you didn't. I was responding to the comment, not your video.
@@Seanb1152 I can't even 🤣My comment is agreeing with you already.
So you deside to make a "guide" that isn't in depth as promised at the start of the video, not talking about feint, trashmob aoe dmg, energi pooling and the weakauras is just a bunch of shit in the middle of the screen for all characters. Not worth my time. There is literally 15 of this exact guide out there from other CC and are more "in depth"
Always find it hilarious when people who don't need guys eccentrically complain about guides aimed for casual players 😂
@@MetaGoblin Need and need, i always look for ways in improving my gameplay. Hoping to learn something new, hence the negative comment about the "in depth" being more shallow then most of the "guides" And if the guide is aimed at casual players, why name the guide like you did? Why not specify your audience?
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Hey meta, good video. I stopped by your stream a few days ago to get your input on whether I should roll a Ret or rogue and asked for your input on the classes. You read my comment and kind of had a rude answer. You seemed annoyed by my question and just said “whatever class you can get a raid spot on”. It was kind of an arrogant answer and caught me off guard since you seem friendly in your UA-cam vids. Maybe I caught you on a bad day? @metagoblin
@JZiggelkov being able to get a raid spot is a viable thing to consider, but unless you are 100% trolling it’s pretty easy to get a spot on most specs in the game. He gave zero input on the classes weakness or strengths. It was mainly the way he answered my question, he just scoffed at it and seemed annoyed by it. I’m not saying he’s a bad dude, but as a content creator, you should at least take the time to answer a simple question from a viewer without being a dick
thx bish