You know, the artwork for this song reminds me of a dive to the heart from Kingdom Hearts. That's a scary thought, one of the players earning a keyblade. Since Dirk is a Prince of Heart, it'd probably be him. With his skills with a sword, nothing would be safe. Not to mention the fusion of fandoms. Eh, who am I kidding, it's probably already in a fanfic. P.S. Awesome song.
In response to the "hero" conversation, I would like to define hero at its earliest roots: epic hero, one who overcomes personal problems in order to fit perfectly into society as a shining example of their country. Thus, from the trolls (barring ancestors) ONLY GAMZEE IS A HERO, as he overcomes his addiction to SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS become a subjugglator and go on a murderous rampage, just as Alternian society dictated. As far as the kids go, I would argue that none of them have yet overcome their distinct obstacles, and none of them are heroes. YET
There can only be a hero if there's a problem to overcome. There is a problem, and if they all can overcome it and save all that matters then they are (to those who know and remember) heroes. The problem doesn't have to be personal. Gamzee isn't a hero, he's killed a few trolls, helped the other side, and never shows up when help is needed.
No, Gamzee is a "hero" because he overcomes his personal problem that his own weakness created: addiction to sopor, and became what alternian society demanded and held as an ideal: a murderous psychopath bathed in blood.
This whole hero argument is going in the wrong direction. I don't believe Archaic Consul is wrong in what s/he is saying. She is in no way "glorifying" Gamzee because shes a fan girl. (Fair enough I can't guarantee if s/he is a fan girl or not, but the reasons s/he used were clearly not trying to glorify him) You're acting like a "fangirl" getting defensive about a disliked character despite her valid reasons. I agree that the hole in her/his theory was that Gamzee didn't choose to overcome his "problem" but the outcome is still the same. He really did become a "hero" in the terms of Alternia's eyes. The word hero originated pretty much in a time where serving your country/king was considered being a hero so s/hes completely right. The king or the country wasn't always doing the right thing. So when you say all the stuff he was doing "wrong" to Terezi made him not a Hero, isn't right. I certainly wanted to punch the guy in the face with a chair ever since he changed as well. A general achieves a victory for his country and ends the war through a blood shed battle. Would that not be considered heroism? Especially in times when propaganda was high and to go against your country/king was to be an outcast? The general meaning of hero has been almost "romanticised" (Not really ignore my choice of word) in a way that now the Hero is considered one who fights for his people and does good act. Ironically its all the same in the end, Someone who represents their country honourably after overcoming personal trials. Though I do agree Roxy is a "better" hero in my view because like someone said, she chose to overcome her trials on her own. ...and in a human perspective she hasn't killed anyone and supports her friends despite being in an almost pitifuller love situation then Jane, Jake and Dirk think themselves to be in. But thats a rant- I mean subject for another time. My conclusion (I can't believe I actually posted this) is that her/his reasons were perfectly okay and she was in no way trying to glorify Gamzee and that he was what could be considered a hero in ALTERNIA. ALTERNIA. not earth 'hun. ALTERNIA as where trolls kill each other and its not shamed upon especially as you go up the hemospectrum.
Alright yeah I'd like to respond to this, You guys (especially dave strider) brought up a good point. Gamzee did not overcome the weaknesses that he created through his own will and determination. As such, he is not a hero. Also, I am taking hero to mean that they exemplify what their specific culture (in this case Alternian culture) deems to be the epitome of their cultural identity. Alternia glorifies murder, and so Gamzee would be celebrated, were he at his home planet. From a human perspective (like mine) this makes him completely despicable. That leads me to my next point: I am not a Gamzee fangirl. Not just 'cause I'm a bloke. I really detest Gamzee and everything he has done. Everyone who ignores his obvious and plentiful wrongdoings to love him is absolutely off their rockers, in my opinion. He has almost no redeeming features. I'm just saying that, from a human perspective he is disgusting, but from an Alternian perspective he is fantastic, just what a Subjugglator should be. Hero, as defined by the old heroic epics like Beowulf or the Odyssey, which I used to read a lot, all had a common theme. The hero would make a problem for himself, then solve it, and in the end featured all of the things his respective culture adored. I attempted to draw analogies to Roxy and Gamzee, but you guys have proven to me that the Gamzee one doesn't work. Thanks! Marcelina is totally right as well.
After listening to this song way too many times (I don't even like it that much its just bugging me too much) and getting some help from my dad, I think (key word: think) that it starts in 15/8 and then ... maybe... (this is the one I'm really not sure about) goes to 29/16? WHO WRITES A SONG IN 29/16!?!?!??! Maybe 28/16.... not sure. But that whole 29/16 part starts at 1:57
He's a hero, as is everyone else from the beta session. The apha session refers to it's players as "Nobles" not heroes for reasons that aren't to hard to figure out, of which Roxy is the most heroic
Well actually there is only one of those. X33 it was a joke. There are however five Harvest Moon TCs, Miami Nights Killer Exclusives, and Cloudy Moon Crone's Domes. :33
oh thank you very much, i didn't realy realice that nobels-heros-thing until now ^^ but what about dirk? he killed himself in order rescue his frinds, that is pretty heroic, isn't it? I can't remember roxy doing something similar, so why do you say that roxy is the most heroic? (hope i didn't ask someting stupid ^^)
this song serves as a time capsule of the best times i ever had, without realising i was having them
me too my friend
Oh, it's a truth universally acknowledged. Roxy's music is crazy badass.
I mean, Pumpkin Party in Sea Hitler's Water Apocalypse? Unbeatable.
everything is something to someone makes me weep waterfalls
Agree
ASSAULT and Pink Cat are also really worth mentioning :33
@@BUGFlower413oh hey I know you
@@Floofy_Fox_Gal Hey I recognize you too as well :DD
It's always interesting to see what motifs the composers develop for each character.
[S] Roxy: Crash Windows.
[S] Windows Update: Crash Windows
I find myself keeping coming back to this song. It's so haunting and peaceful.
Did anyone else notice the length?
HEY WAIT
4:13
You know, the artwork for this song reminds me of a dive to the heart from Kingdom Hearts. That's a scary thought, one of the players earning a keyblade. Since Dirk is a Prince of Heart, it'd probably be him. With his skills with a sword, nothing would be safe. Not to mention the fusion of fandoms. Eh, who am I kidding, it's probably already in a fanfic.
P.S. Awesome song.
*Then everyone gets a keyblade*
oh no!!!
wait literally nobody knows this song's time signature
this almost sounds like something out of halo
If you remember where this is from and your in the BFDI fandom, raise your hand
🙋♀️
🙋
🖐️ (OMG NEPTUNIA PFP WANNA BE FRIENDS?!)
In response to the "hero" conversation, I would like to define hero at its earliest roots: epic hero, one who overcomes personal problems in order to fit perfectly into society as a shining example of their country. Thus, from the trolls (barring ancestors) ONLY GAMZEE IS A HERO, as he overcomes his addiction to SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS become a subjugglator and go on a murderous rampage, just as Alternian society dictated. As far as the kids go, I would argue that none of them have yet overcome their distinct obstacles, and none of them are heroes. YET
What about Roxy?
There can only be a hero if there's a problem to overcome. There is a problem, and if they all can overcome it and save all that matters then they are (to those who know and remember) heroes. The problem doesn't have to be personal. Gamzee isn't a hero, he's killed a few trolls, helped the other side, and never shows up when help is needed.
No, Gamzee is a "hero" because he overcomes his personal problem that his own weakness created: addiction to sopor, and became what alternian society demanded and held as an ideal: a murderous psychopath bathed in blood.
And Roxy is pretty close to being a hero. Definitely the closest of the kids.
***** you are correct
Love the artwork displayed with this track
Video's Length is 4:13 ; HOMESTUCK CONFIRMED ; CUZ WHY THE FUCK NOT?
I'm really worried about this. It's really saying something guys.
This song is four minutes and thirteen seconds long... FuCk YeAh!
Who needs a cat on your shoulder when you can have a cat on your shirt.
Was looking for this song, and as soon as I saw the name I recognized it
Void shenanigans real
So for a while, I thought this was Dave. Then I looked at the shirt.
Mmhhh. I dont know
This reminds of this song from a Nickelodeon Crossover game, well the guitar part
Possibly from Nickelodeons: globs of doom
This whole hero argument is going in the wrong direction.
I don't believe Archaic Consul is wrong in what s/he is saying. She is in no way "glorifying" Gamzee because shes a fan girl. (Fair enough I can't guarantee if s/he is a fan girl or not, but the reasons s/he used were clearly not trying to glorify him) You're acting like a "fangirl" getting defensive about a disliked character despite her valid reasons. I agree that the hole in her/his theory was that Gamzee didn't choose to overcome his "problem" but the outcome is still the same. He really did become a "hero" in the terms of Alternia's eyes.
The word hero originated pretty much in a time where serving your country/king was considered being a hero so s/hes completely right. The king or the country wasn't always doing the right thing. So when you say all the stuff he was doing "wrong" to Terezi made him not a Hero, isn't right. I certainly wanted to punch the guy in the face with a chair ever since he changed as well.
A general achieves a victory for his country and ends the war through a blood shed battle. Would that not be considered heroism? Especially in times when propaganda was high and to go against your country/king was to be an outcast?
The general meaning of hero has been almost "romanticised" (Not really ignore my choice of word) in a way that now the Hero is considered one who fights for his people and does good act. Ironically its all the same in the end, Someone who represents their country honourably after overcoming personal trials.
Though I do agree Roxy is a "better" hero in my view because like someone said, she chose to overcome her trials on her own. ...and in a human perspective she hasn't killed anyone and supports her friends despite being in an almost pitifuller love situation then Jane, Jake and Dirk think themselves to be in. But thats a rant- I mean subject for another time.
My conclusion (I can't believe I actually posted this) is that her/his reasons were perfectly okay and she was in no way trying to glorify Gamzee and that he was what could be considered a hero in ALTERNIA. ALTERNIA. not earth 'hun. ALTERNIA as where trolls kill each other and its not shamed upon especially as you go up the hemospectrum.
Alright yeah I'd like to respond to this,
You guys (especially dave strider) brought up a good point. Gamzee did not overcome the weaknesses that he created through his own will and determination. As such, he is not a hero. Also, I am taking hero to mean that they exemplify what their specific culture (in this case Alternian culture) deems to be the epitome of their cultural identity. Alternia glorifies murder, and so Gamzee would be celebrated, were he at his home planet. From a human perspective (like mine) this makes him completely despicable. That leads me to my next point: I am not a Gamzee fangirl. Not just 'cause I'm a bloke. I really detest Gamzee and everything he has done. Everyone who ignores his obvious and plentiful wrongdoings to love him is absolutely off their rockers, in my opinion. He has almost no redeeming features. I'm just saying that, from a human perspective he is disgusting, but from an Alternian perspective he is fantastic, just what a Subjugglator should be. Hero, as defined by the old heroic epics like Beowulf or the Odyssey, which I used to read a lot, all had a common theme. The hero would make a problem for himself, then solve it, and in the end featured all of the things his respective culture adored. I attempted to draw analogies to Roxy and Gamzee, but you guys have proven to me that the Gamzee one doesn't work. Thanks! Marcelina is totally right as well.
He's not a hero, he's Joker at best. And I don't remember last time anyone called tra
Itor a hero
Where did you get the picture? It's pretty awesome.
its the cover art for this song
roxy had the best music. forever. end of story. right now. the end. over. deal with it. its true. you know it.
Well, it's because out of all the Nobles, she's the most heroic, so the music has to fit.
if you’re in the bfdi fandom you know _exactly_ why you’re here…
I know 😭
Cake x Loser video i am guessing...
Cake X Loser
I know 😅
@@Miranda_Kit_Old i seened it when i was 11...
This has to be my favourite song on the album. Followed by Stress and Negative Aperture uwu
I thought it was dirk to but those hips don't lie, it has to be roxy.
(shirt too)
THEIR best kid.
wait, i thought john is officially the most heroic?
did i get something wrong? O_o
before i started act 6 i thought that was a dude 0_0
this whole time, i didnt look very closely and thought it was dave
Tejas Gokarn omg lol XD
tejas no
Joe The Theorist how about you shut up
Tejas Gokarn nah
That's kinda the point I was making. There's not a single Homestuck out there that doesn't know what it means.
Seriously, no wonder Dave is so self conscious.
SO PRETTYYYYY
CAN I CRY YET
I only now realized that that was Roxy in the art and not Dirk whoops
Wait how the heck do you count this song like what someone help
It's in the volume's order.
Wait what do you mean in the volume's order? what is the time signature??
Ah, I thought you were talking about the 34 before "Portrait".
it might be 7/8? idk might be my shitty ear xD
After listening to this song way too many times (I don't even like it that much its just bugging me too much) and getting some help from my dad, I think (key word: think) that it starts in 15/8 and then ... maybe... (this is the one I'm really not sure about) goes to 29/16? WHO WRITES A SONG IN 29/16!?!?!??! Maybe 28/16.... not sure. But that whole 29/16 part starts at 1:57
*(BFB Loser X Cake Flashbacks)*
He's a hero, as is everyone else from the beta session. The apha session refers to it's players as "Nobles" not heroes for reasons that aren't to hard to figure out, of which Roxy is the most heroic
Cake x Loser OwO
I remember this 😭
cat on her shirt?
Portrait of a lady on fire?
Also notice the song's length:
4 minutes, 13 seconds.
4/13. Mindfuck on a cosmic level here.
best song ever! 48765.44957 golden llamas out of 48765.44957!
John was born on April 13th. 4/13.
Well actually there is only one of those. X33 it was a joke.
There are however five Harvest Moon TCs, Miami Nights Killer Exclusives, and Cloudy Moon Crone's Domes. :33
oh thank you very much, i didn't realy realice that nobels-heros-thing until now ^^
but what about dirk? he killed himself in order rescue his frinds, that is pretty heroic, isn't it?
I can't remember roxy doing something similar, so why do you say that roxy is the most heroic?
(hope i didn't ask someting stupid ^^)
There are actually 6 burning flames TCs in existence.
True men go for Cloudy Moon Bubble Pipes.
Icon mates? ^^
*cough* Dirk *coughhhhhhhh*
Hips.
qurl why is this window not workin
da fuq
It's 4:13 >:3
i am so fucking moved. this is the best song i am going to cry!bkjvbSAKFABfSNFvjdnbzxakbx bmx
is no one gonna mention the video is 4 minutes and 13 seconds long
*has*
Cake x loser