You missed the supermodel era of the eighties and early nineties (before Kate). Very healthy looking and strong. Cindy Crawford, Claudia Schiffer, Naomi Campbell etc.
@@marelicainavokado looks like most of models of that era had a body fat percent somewhere between 15% and 19%. Yes, they were slim but still within in a healthy range.
The emphasis is on healthy natural weight, so I agree. However, a lot of obese women are in denial about their bodies. When they were young, they had what can be called as healthy weight if you look at their pictures then but then they stopped being active and did a lot of stress eating so they ballooned to their unhealthy size and now suffer from diabetes and other diseases related to overweight.
WHATEVER GOES FOR ME exactly. I don’t like the movements that are promoting and unhealthy, obese lifestyle. People should aim for a HEALTHY weight. Somewhere in their bodies natural set point or bmi. Not a point where they throw away their healthy on either side of the spectrum.
@@CinnaBunnyX And when well-meaning friends and family member admonish them to be more active and diet, they get defensive and accuse their friends and family of fat shaming but that is not usually the case. Extra weight is never good for the body just like losing weight you should not lose is not good for the body. I have experienced both side of the spectrum though I was not that obese but still exceeded my bmi limit and also dieted myself to the point that I got slim and my body looked great but my friends noticed that my face also looked tired and haggard. When I went back to my natural weight, I may not look like a model but I felt better and my face looked more at ease despite being on the chubby side but still looking fine overall :)
WHATEVER GOES FOR ME exactly, I too have been over my BMI and I’ve been underweight. Both sides of the spectrum is never good. The body has a healthy weight where it can function well at. They get self defensive because the don’t want to change and accept reality. When reality is they’re slowly killing themselves.
I just hope that going under the knife stops being a thing in ten years. I have listened to many opinions on that topic, and I respect them, but I still believe it's not a sign of a healthy society that many of us desire to go through a surgery (with all its implications, especially what can go wrong) only for cosmetic reasons.
Eugenia Vitelli Just imagine a UA-camr in 2050 will be like: "by that time many women were even going through plastic surgery to have an exaggerated breast and butt." I hope it will be seen like we see corsets today, unnatural and unhealthy
I hope so! We are becoming more aware of things like pollution or how it's done what we eat, and many are trying to choose a more natural lifestyle. I hope it happens the same with our aesthetic appearance
Eugenia Vitelli A corset isn't in and of itself unhealthy though. It has more to do with how it's laced. Tight-lacing is unhealthy, but the way most women wore them back in the days they were more about supporting the bust and creating a non-bulgy foundation for the outfit.
LadyDragonbane A corset can even be good for health if you have problems with your spine. So is plastic surgery if you were gravely injured for example. However the context is different here.
+LadyDragonbane I am not a corset expert, and I think what you both say is probably accurate. I was pointing out merely our desire to go through surgeries when it's not needed, because all of them are at least a little risky. Of course, if you have been through something serious it's different. I am just talking about perfectly healthy people.
I think right now, it seems like curves and larger "thick" women are in style, but at the same time I see a lot of skinny toned workout/yoga bodies. I think in 10 years, the no bra look will be more excepted, and hopefully we have a natural-what-god-gave-ya body standard. I think that's where we are headed, especially with the "natural" makeup look in trend. I think now trends aren't as much of a standard as they used to be.
Becca D I don’t know if that’s going to happen. People need to have something to achieve or strive to. Even if that thing is impossible. Hence the extremely tiny waists achieved with corset or the photoshopped Instagram models that look nothing like that irl. Sure it might happen for some time but history repeats itself and the times will change again.
I agree it is gettinf better but u really think where gonna be alive in the next 2 years with the way climate change is going and no one is helping where all ginna be ded we literally only have 18 month according to the bbc
It seems like the super athletic fit look has been trending. In ten years, well, I shall be in my late sixties and not caring quite as much. :) Will the "grandma look" ever come into trend?
Agreed, the athletic body type is coming into fashion. Women who can lift weights greater than their handbags or bike more than a city block are the desirable ones on college campuses. Wearing up-scale farmer plaid and being able to do a bit of manual labor is a point of pride of many younger women and it will infiltrate the fashion trends. We're about to get the Olympics again and that'll give the toned body a little nudge too.
Hey Justine! Your content is on point always. But this time, your presentation was so much more interesting. The figure on the left and moving images from the decade on the right made for a wonderful visual story. Good job!
hello my lovely, here's a video theme idea for you -- what do you think of "age-appropriate" dressing? when does someone cross the line? you may say we can wear anything at any age ... not sure about that .. is there "transition" dressing, where you can "import" the latest trends ?
There is no age; it is just a number. We get told women at older ages cannot wear certain things, just spread your wings and fly - do what feels right for you
As a woman in my mid to late 40's, my ideal body is one that can still move! ;-) I really try not to obsess with my body shape, I can't change it any more than what exercise and eating right can, so just accentuate the good parts, hide the "flawed" parts and keep your chin up! Good attitude, a healthy lifestyle and not stressing about body perfection is always attractive.
Eyelle Lucoop I agree. I used to think the "perfect body" was about appearances. Well, after a lot of hard work, my body looks great, but I've developed chronic pain and other problems with my endometriosis, so I feel a bit disillusioned by the idea of a perfect body. I guess one should be grateful for what they have, especially if it is feeling good!
Great video! One thing I noticed was what you said about 18th century Europe, women did not wear corsets until the Victorian era. During the 18th century, they wore undergarments called stays, they had hardly any cinching effect to the waist and were solely created to support the bust and create the conical silhouette that was in fashion at the time. This meant that the breasts were elevated and pushed into the chest by the flat garment. There was no such desire for a 17" waist, but the fashions of the time did exaggerate the figure with the addition of a bum pad or panniers (depending on the decade), which would tie around the waist and the addition of petticoats and the final skirt would create the large hips and large bum look. Also, the new look created by Christian Dior during the year 1947, was actually not widely received and many women ridiculed it for being wasteful of fabrics due to the previous rationing of fabrics during the war. During the 1920s, women did not really wear shorter dresses, they typically wore calf-length dresses, or as long as long as ankle-length. I hope this helps.
It's a Western point of view of what beauty may be. Different countries, cultures and beauty standard. As a bi-racial person with curves, I had a lot of problems growing up in Germany, regarding being slim and flat. You know the beauty standard. Now, 15 years later, the way of beauty has changed and women envy for my butt, hips, small waist and boobs. However, I figured, no matter how I look, the way I present myself (self-esteem) is the sexiest. It really doesn't matter that I might be too fat. And these days, you might not think, people ARE more accepting of how you look. Often we fall in our own trap of insecurities and self-doubt on how we are and look.
+Eve Brown yes, you are right, it clearly is a Western point of view because I drew the body shapes based on French dress forms from the archive. Thanks for bringing in another perspective!
Eve Brown amen! We all have to do what works for & own it confidence. I think more people than not actually follow this. It is a few that still think the Kardashians (or other media figures) are the norm but I’d like to think that it’s just a few.
Another entertaining video! I sometimes wonder if young girls should be shown something like this - idealized body types from 2000 BC to 2000 AD...just to reassure them that all kinds of shapes can be highly prized and beautiful, even if they don't happen to look on-trend at that moment. Is exclusivity a key to the beauty ideal? For example, when food is scarce, fat can become a status symbol. Now, when overweight is a sign of being busy and eating cheap food, leanness takes more effort and is therefore admired. You show us how, when manual labor made most women's bodies "too" muscled, the sloped shoulder and un-muscled arm were a sign of upper class status. Now, when sports require money and time, muscles became the status symbol. I'd like to think our fitness trends are all about the health benefits, but probably vanity plays as a big role. Same with suntans: declassé, when most people had to work outdoors. Chic, when most people have to work indoors. We humans are a weird species.
April Locke - not true. Throughout history that has changed many times. Even today in many countries curvy-large women are the standard of beauty. People in western cultures love to think that “their” standards are the universal standards but nothing far from the truth.
1800- we wear corsets to make us skinny 2000+ we have people cut us up and stick foreign substances in our body to make our bust larger. oh the progression we have made over the years.
For a large bottom or bust they added ruffles or tied pads around there hips stuffed with wool poorer women stuffed theirs with newspaper to get the same effect
"Falling shoulders" is the only beauty standard that seems really odd to me. By today's standards that would be considered poor posture. It just goes to show how arbitrary beauty standards can be.
Some people have naturally falling shoulders. But yes, the ideal feminine body body was that that would be achieved by bad posture and lack of activity; it wasn't arbitrary, it had to do with what they believed a woman should be. Beauty standards are always related to what some people believe women should be.
It's not bad posture. You can have a straight back with pelvis tucked slightly up and shoulders pressed down and still have sloping shoulders. Sloping shoulders look like a T but with horizontal lines curved down like an upside down parabola. In the past, it was considered extremely feminine in contrast to the T upper body that most men and athletic women have. Neither is better, but they are different.
This was wonderful. My body is from the middle of the 19th century! I was just born too late. Happily I was, or my appendicitis would have killed me back then. Really enjoyed this video, thank you!
Wow, cultural anthropology, the feminine ‘ideal’ reflected in fashion! I hope that the future ideal is more realistic and in harmony with real human bodies and reflects respect for women as human beings.
+eizhowa she uses both corsets and surgery. I would say: in 2010 the shoulders are a bit more sporty, straight and wide than in 1720. Nowadays doing sports belongs to the "ideal" while it didn't in previous centuries.
You are the FIRST youtuber I feel happy to share your content with my followers. Really loving your perspective, knowledge, streamlined approach. Thank you.
I have the body type of those who I admire the most yet I’m still not satisfied with myself. It doesn’t matter how you look you criticize yourself the most. Fully accepting and loving yourself is the skill most of us have yet to master. I feel the pressure to change and fit in today’s beauty standard but I’m scared to lose what I already have, to lose what I find beautiful and perfect... That’s really the saddest part, I would throw away what I love because the world doesn’t love it as well.
+Use Less thank you. Researching the different dress form shapes, drawing them in Illustrator & finding video materials from each decade took me forever 😅
Thank you for the video Justine! Always find it interesting how desired silhouettes change throughout the centuries! Wonder if we'll ever go back to the corset with new developments in fabric technology which have revolutionised the industry throughout the 20th century. Love your videos, can't wait for the next one!
What I observe amongst teens in Denmark is a greater acceptance of all shapes and sizes. I see "friend" groups of girls and boys where the individuals have very different shapes and fashion styles. That is sooooo different from the 80s and 90s when I was a teen/young adult. It makes me very happy and proud of the danish youth today🤗
As my old closet shows, shoulder pads were quite popular, in the '80s/early '90s. I can take them out of the jackets and dresses and tape them to my knees for roller skating. 😉
+Rahmadia Kushardiani thanks, I like to put things in perspective. Otherwise we could get trapped in a vision of "beauty" which is really just a snapshot of "right now"...
This is my thought/hope for the future: A lot of women (myself, included) are starting to go braless, or, at least, wear the more comfortable, light-weight bralette, as opposed to the wired/padded bra women have been wearing for some time. It definitely gives the breasts a different look. Thoughts? Do you think this trend will take off?
I've gone without bra for years now, and when I (re)watch movies and series from the 90's I do realise that bras weren't a trend at all at the time! You can cleeeearly see women's breasts and tits showing under their tops... So why has it suddenly become that shameful to see anything under the shirts and tops? That's the question! Anyway, I can't wait until both with and without a bra become normal, because i HATE wearing these, especially in the summer. It does make me look a bit flatter because it doesn't keep it all "compacted and forward" but hey, that's natural. I only ever wear a bra when doing sports or going out and really want to give myself a more accentuated silhouette...
e batdorf for me my boobs are just too big to not wear a bra. I'm not comfortable at all with out one on. so I doubt that the trend will catch on with other girls like me
the trend won't take off, at least not in terms of becoming timeless, because it can only be comfortably worn by a certain group of people. unless they start making properly supportive bralettes for busty girls and women, the bralette will not replace the wired bra. the comfort you feel with a bralette is equivalent to discomfort, pain, and less freedom of movement for women who carry heavier busts. I think they will both coexist.
In ten years from now, the ideal body will be the bionic woman with surgically elongated leg bones, a built in iPhone in the eyes and battery operated brain..
awesome video! maybe more reflection on fashion trends in different historical periods and different cultures can help us curb the craze for whatever is trendy at the moment. Thank you!
Hopefully, In ten years the standard will be a healthy, strong body that remains in whatever one's natural shape is. I say, dress according to your own creativity.
Bernadette Banner has a great video on corsets, and they weren’t what we think. They weren’t super tight, nor extremely uncomfortable (exceptions made to extreme fashionistas of the era). Also, the bottoms were made to look larger with a rump, which was a padding you wore to mimic that shape. No spines were distorted for that :) Now, before someone decides to hate my comment, I’ve been educating myself on historical fashion and despite not being an expert by any means, my sources *are* experts and researchers. I still love Justine and her channel!
That's true, but this video talks about the fashionable "ideal" body type, not what the average woman looked like. Even though most women would wear their corsets fitted but not too tight the beauty ideal called for the extremely tightly fitting and heavily boned corsets that high-class women wore in the period. Same thing happens today. For example, most women outline their lips to make them look bigger but the beauty ideal calls for a look achieved (mainly) by lip fillers that upper-class or famous women tend to get.
@@liatm3042 I'm not sure I agree with you on your first comment... What made me write was when Justine talked about organs being displaced in the abdomen due to the tightness of corsets, which is absolutely not true (for at least 99% of women who wore them). That's the bit I wanted to dispel, the idea that corsets were instruments of torture for the majority of women :) The beauty ideal certainly aimed for that slender upper body, but if you look at pictures of regular women they weren't really like that (much like today - we don't normally look like top models). They were very clever in looking slimmer by adding volume to their bottoms, which definitely made their waists look much tinier... But I agree 100% that beauty ideals are rarely achieved by women, whatever the era! I just wish we embraced the way we look and stopped torturing ourselves in order to conform...
Well done! I think we did have a moment in the 1990s when a more healthy, athletic shape, a la Cindy Crawford and the so called supermodels, was the ideal.
It seems post wartime response is more androgynous...then back to curves...i never noticed this before! Very insightful! I would also love to see a vid about a womans age +style
This is the best video I've seen on this topic and the mannequin images on the left were very useful to actually compare the different shapes created by clothing.
I would've said that I think in 10 years a more curve less figure would become more popular... But I think the celebrities like the Kardashians will still have a hold as influences on the public. So unless they decide to change their looks it might stay popular for a while longer
What I hope for: In 10 years strong and fit will be the ideal for both genders. No surgery, no corsets. Whatever your natural body type is, is acceptable.
Wow. There's always something new to learn from your videos. That was a very interesting video Justine 👍 Keep up the good job. Also, thank u for working so hard to deliver videos with high Quality content.
I enjoy immensely fashion history especially the 19th and 20th centuries. I just watched on another channel just this topic of silhouettes during the past century and a half. Totally amazing to me how fashion changes due to styles in culture, economics, lifestyle and war and peace times. If I had to pick a body type I would say Medieval or Georgian eras.
Amazing channel! I believe the future ideal body types will vary across the world. I mean even now for example the trends are not exactly the same everywhere. I come from different cultures and countries and I notice that people from the US like more muscular bodies that most europeans. Arab people tend to like more curvy bodies but the trend is going slowly to slimmer bodies.. As ideal body reflects a society, I believe that the US is facing more and more health problems with diabetes, obesity etc so they will tend to go towards a more fit, muscular toned body, whereas in North Africa the trend might go to slimmer ( they face a lot of diabetes ) but soft bodies for women as their role in the society is often viewed as different etc... Anyways, it s only a guess but I sure don't know and I am curious to see what the future will be made off.
I was aware of these ideals all individually, but when you put it together like this, I realise more than ever how messed up this is. Particularly, binding our bodies to make ourselves smaller and less able to move. “Bras, the corset of the 20th century” blew my mind.
Except, in the 18th century, absolutely no woman was tightlacing her stays. Not because they wouldn’t want to, but because it physically could not be done. Until the invention of metal eyelets (and the use of them in corsetry) during the Victorian era, if you tried to tight lace stays (the precursor to corsets), the hand worked eyelets would simply pop. They did not have the strength require to tight lace. Tight lacing did become a thing in Victorian times, but it was so remarked upon because it wasn’t common. It was also seen as silly and vain- only for the Kardashian-types of the era. And people might say “but what of the photographs we have of women with those ridiculously tiny waists?” Well firstly, most of it is optical illusion. Instead of making the waist tiny, what they did was pad out the surrounding area, which made the waist look smaller in comparison. Secondly, for the absurdly small “can wrap your hands around it” pictures of women’s waists- they were edited to look that tiny. Karolina Zebrowska has a video on exactly how they achieved that, pre photoshop. So while I wouldn’t recommend tight lacing to anyone, it isn’t as dangerous as the Victorian medical articles would have you believe. After all, they did list tuberculosis as one symptom of tight lacing, and we know that to be untrue. We also know that we don’t have a bunch of malformed skeletons of Victorian women. As for wearing historical style corsetry as it was meant to be worn- it’s actually very comfortable. Certainly much more comfortable than a bra. No breathing problems at all (I sing in mine, and I find it helpful, rather than making breathing more difficult). It’s also great for back support, and I find it helps with my anxiety. I describe it as a weighted blanket for my torso that I can wear out. Very helpful. Bernadette Banner and Karolina (mentioned above) both have some great videos on corsetry, and busting the old myths that still hang around. Highly recommend. Because we do still have many misconceptions about corsets- maybe because we like to think of ourselves as so much smarter than our forebears. But people have always been people. The majority of women had to work- they didn’t have the time or luxury of lounging around looking pretty in their corsets- they needed support and flexibility, and clothing that was sensible. So just keep that in mind when thinking of corsets. Women wouldn’t have worn boned support garments for 500 years if they were that painful and impractical.
i hope the "ideal body" evolves into just "natural bodies" in that whatever is actually healthy for that individual can be loved, appreciated, and even celebrated
a little addition to the 1720s to 1900s: the stays (corsets) were made to complete hide the bust in side few. you were supposed to look like a board. women would often put wooden rulers or other stick like objects inside their stays to avoid bending in the front. they also wore either "bum rolls", cotton stuffed fabric roll tied around the hips, or "panniers", the false hips which were built a lot like a hoop underskirt but for your hips. the more you know.🌸
A 1990s story for you. I was a high school mathematics teacher. One day I was wearing a dress with those oversized shoulder pads. As it was a cool day I threw on a sweater not thinking about the fact that it too had oversized shoulder pads. I later came across a drawing one of my students made of me showing my shoulders looking like I had a Rock of Gibraltar perched on each one. The drawing was pretty accurate. As soon as I got home I cut out those huge pads from all my clothing! Out of the mouth of babes as they say...
I really liked your videos. I`m from Brazil and here women are very concerned about their figure and image. I clarify a lot of themes about color, face shape ... watching your videos. Pretty didactic! Merci. Obrigada. Thank you
very interesting video . you are my new favourite youtuber . I think the new trend sud be " let woman stay comfortable , let her be the way she wants to be ,appreciate her to love her body as long she is healthy and drop the idea of having an ideal body " . I guess people are moving towords that direction and sensible fashion designers like you are starting such trends. which is a Good news :)
I like the 20s silhouette, I might me biased because of ballet making me see a smaller bust as the ‘ideal’ but I do think the 20s lean silhouette is a rather elegant look
I really hope in 10 years, anything goes and individuality is praised. I really hope we are no longer pressured by celebrities or the media to look a certain way or that a certain look or body type is longed for. My sincere hope for 10 years time is that no one is judged for not fitting into the boxes that are so prominent in 2017 and your confidence and happiness are your greatest assets. Dressing to make us feel and look good for OURSELVES is hopefully what is to come and designers will respond to this by making clothes flattering for all body types, not just for sizes 0-8.
"this is achieved by wearing a bra; the corset of the 20th century" ..that is so spot on. SO SPOT ON! They feel like corsets but on your chest itself, I never even thought of them that way, good observation Justine!
As someone with a large chest, bras definitely feel like corsets. I had a goth phase and wore corsets. Never again haha! I wish I could get away with not wearing a bra but that's uncomfortable as well, why are our bodies built like this.. Thank you for responding!
What I hope is that the next trend veers more toward natural diversity. I see it growing in certain brands already (e.g. Monki), and I have hope that the next generation will somehow carry the torch forward.
Bought my very first tie-back corset. I plan to "encourage" my old body back to something that slightly resembles my original girly silhouette now that I am in the throws of perimenopause. I had gained a lot of weight and lost most of it again. I want to look nice and feel good about myself. The corset might actually aid in keeping me from eating too much again (better than surgery). I will also continue a regular exercise program to keep my core strong. There are several corset makers, except quality tight-lacing corsets can run into the high hundreds and thousands, so I chose a cheaper corset to begin with ($75). There's a whole corset culture out there I never even saw before. I can't even remember how I got into it or where I first noticed them, but I know cosplayers use them and many a movie star could not look like they do without them. I'm jumping on the bandwagon. 😁 Vollers Corsets (UK) have been in business for over 100 yrs. Corsets, whether in the form of back braces or shape-shifters, never left. We simply aren't looking.
Really fascinating... again. I am hooked on your videos. I wish you success and happiness. Awesome video. Love the history, and appreciate your hard work. Thanks. 🌹
Hi Justine, beautifully presented and content as usual, new sub. I am going broke purchasing your recommendations on books, I am a BOOK LOVER oh my goodness :) Anyway, thank you, always learning and loving it! Also researching Project 333 I never knew, you have taught me so much in just the few videos I have watched!
I feel like it will become more of a competition between a few dominating different body ideals. Because we are now in the time of globalization we are now experiencing a more diverse beauty ideals which may be dominant in certain ethnic/demographic/ social groups. It's quite interesting because I just read an article for University about the experience of the body in social, political and economic contexts (specifically in the Korean society). It also addresses how beauty standards are very much shaped by politics, economic processes (consumerism ) and technology... So, I think it will be very interesting to see how beauty ideals will change or diversify and compete. Also, this video somewhat helped me writing my review for the article. :D Thank you for the interesting video.
+Mae h I thought about mentioning the 80's but I didn't find the bodies (apart from padded shoulders) to be so different from the 70's. The 90's seem to be much more a clear cut, to me... What do you think?
mm that makes sense, it wasn't so much the bodies as the fashion being so distinctly different in the '80s from the '70s with all the flash, volume in clothes and hair, heavy makeup. Perhaps the waif look was a reaction to the "bigness" of the 80s, the larger than life supermodels - Cindy Crawford, Linda Evangelista, etc., then you have Kate Moss.
What are your sources on the unhealthyness of corsets? I've been watching quite a few ladies here on youtube bust corset myths, and what you say in this video just seem - in contrast - to be poorly researched?
I think we are currently within a rising “strong is a new skinny” movement that will continue to grow for next few years. Ideal women of this movement is strong, very grounded with strong legs and oversized buttocks, very sexual with exaggerated sexual attributes but in a new strong, muscular way, a bit animalistic and raw. And very important, this women is very health conscious and very much oriented to the healthy living. What comes to my mind while writing this is a Taurus symbolism from Astrology. I think the next trend will either try to bounce back with going into the opposite extreme or will try to refine that rawness. So, in my opinion the next goddess will be either “a ballerina”, i.e. a strong women with delicate and subtile strength, fit but not over muscular, sensual but not aggressively sexual, still “grounded” but in a more elegant way, in the case of refinement, or “an anti (body) heroine” in a way that body will be greatly neglected and hidden while attention will be drawn to the parts that we consider more profound like for example eyes.
In regards to the many bra comments down below, personally I have A-B sized breasts (depending on my weight) and I like the way bras give shape to my body even when I wear things like a loose fitting sweater, or an oversized shirt. I do however, prefer them lightly lined instead of heavily padded which is the trend in Asia. So many girls squish their breasts into these impossibly cushioned things..... I did that in high school, but decided to choose a more natural shape in the end for comfort and ease of storage >
Hi, Justine, do you think by wearing corsets every day, we can change the shape of our rib cage and pelvis to finally reshape ourselves into hourglass body?
I would like to have sources on the '17 inch waist' idea, I think. A lot of the early 'tightlacing' caricatures seem to me to be c. 1770s (hence why they are also lampooning the high hairstyles) so I question when exactly the trend became popular enough that cartoonists got hold of it- and if they exaggerate the hairstyles that much, I'm not sure how much I should believe their take of tightlacing either.
Thank your for spreading the information that only one body type is accepted at one time. Your advice to dress accordingly to body shape, skin and hair tone and personality is actually good for womens health. I work as registered nurse.
Since I'm watchin this in the 2019,the ideal body hasn't really changed from 2010s. But nowadays, you have to be sporty, muscles everywhere, huge muscular butt huge breasts, so to approach it you have to take supplement that can easily break your metabolism...
You are the best Justine. Your videos are great and empowering, informative and fun to watch. I hope for diversity in the future because there will be people left behind as unattractive just because they don't for the beauty standards. Meanwhile there are beautiful ladies like Taylor Swift and Scarjo, different but gorgeous in their own way
Interestingly, these body trends have been fabricated out of concern for MEN, what they like/don't like and so on, building on women's fear of not being financially stable. My hope is that with the rise of well educated, successful women who are not dependant on men, ideals in 10 years will be more focused on what's actually HEALTHY. I'm appalled at how brainwashed I am. I was born in the early 90s and realise that I've been exposed to the "heroin chic" look more than anything, and that has shaped my view of my own body tremendously. I should like that to change. I like your videos, Justine! You're have so much knowledge and are so sweet. Subscribed! :)
you are absolutely right. Education, social circles and the decade people were born in have so much influence over someone's "taste" and vision of beauty...
Actually there was a study that indicated that women dress for women, not for men. Men generally don't give a shit, they are pretty happy just to see us naked. But women, if you wear the wrong thing among your peers, you'll get ripped apart.
I certainly don't envy you! I couldn't care less what people around me think (even less those who'd "rip me apart" if I wore the wrong thing), and the women I'm close with don't exactly hang out with me because of how I dress or present myself. I suppose it might have something to do with what KIND of women you surround yourself with, and whose opinions you let affect you.
History repeats itself: Just as in the 1st part of the 19th c. fashion referenced the 18th c. and in the 2nd it reflected tastes and elements of mideval times or greecian (i.e. empire waists plus other elements paired with moderate hoop skirts). Heading into the 2020ies, I'd say many references to the pre-existing tastes in fashion will, and already have, be/en mixed and run alongside each other. I enjoy your videos a great deal! Could you make a video on the French perception of fashion in the 18th c., please? I've always woundered how a caraco jacket could be referred to as a 《pet en l'air》 (as sack version, that is) when this term seems rather vulgar but was socially accepted so well. Love, Alex
I could not do sports, nor could I enjoy the freedom of movement that I appreciate so much without a bra. I am 1.63m tall (which is on the smaller side of medium height for a European woman), but have a perfect hourglass figure with a C cup 75cm circumference bra size - and my favourite sports are windsurfing, cross country cycling, hiking in the mountains and riding, all of which make a good sports bra essential because underwire bras just don't cut it. Which I found out years ago when I started to be more active in sports again, lost 10kg of excess weight and promptly got torn ligaments in both my breasts. Which was incredibly painful for several months. But it made me see a specialist, who told me that underwire bras and all other classic bras were for evening wear only in my case and that what I needed was some good, ergonomically designed sports bras. I found a wonderful range called "Anita" (no, I am not paid to advertise them, I just love their fit and style and how efficient they are, even as bikini tops when I go surfing), as well as a few bras for women recovering from surgery which also fit the bill, and have never looked back since, and would also highly recommend the same to all women who are well endowed and have similar problems with the current bras they are wearing. Proper sports bras (not those flimsy little lycra or cotton rags that give no support at all and which are often passed off as such) are definitely the way to go. So, burn my bra? Not in a million years! Nor do I see a good bra as a corset,but rather an aide and something that gives me more freedom in my life.
The corsets and stays weren't so tightly laced and uncomfortable (usually), that tiny waist and later pigeon breast were achieved by contrast, so for example hips were emphasized which made the waist seem tiny. And the curved back corset didn't cause "tremendous back pain", it was supportive and it didn't curve the back nearly as much as it seems, this effect was again achieved my padding the breast and the construction of blouses and dresses. Let's stop spreading the corset myths and misinformation
I hope that with the wave of body-positivity that the ideal body will be the one you have. There are fashion labels that are starting to hire models with more realistic silhouettes, and attention is being drawn to unhealthy practices in the industry where a model's weight and build are concerned. I know that at least in the 1990s the model was a clothes hanger that just happened to walk around, but people are starting to have different expectations. Overall, I think that's good.
You missed the supermodel era of the eighties and early nineties (before Kate). Very healthy looking and strong. Cindy Crawford, Claudia Schiffer, Naomi Campbell etc.
Yes, and to mention that the rates of eating disorders were at a peak. Also, in the 1920's eating disorders were prevalent.
Yes, that was a thinner "Athletic" build
The time from the 70s to 90s doesn't remotely look healthy. The women were so starved, they had no fat left for breasts and butts
@@marelicainavokado looks like most of models of that era had a body fat percent somewhere between 15% and 19%. Yes, they were slim but still within in a healthy range.
@@marelicainavokado I have the body of the nineties without eating disorders., I eat everything what I want, but mother nature born me this way.
Hope the next standard is no standard and to achieve one's own health body and be happy with its healthy natural weight.
YESSSSSSSS PREEEEAAACCCHH!!!
The emphasis is on healthy natural weight, so I agree. However, a lot of obese women are in denial about their bodies. When they were young, they had what can be called as healthy weight if you look at their pictures then but then they stopped being active and did a lot of stress eating so they ballooned to their unhealthy size and now suffer from diabetes and other diseases related to overweight.
WHATEVER GOES FOR ME exactly. I don’t like the movements that are promoting and unhealthy, obese lifestyle. People should aim for a HEALTHY weight. Somewhere in their bodies natural set point or bmi. Not a point where they throw away their healthy on either side of the spectrum.
@@CinnaBunnyX And when well-meaning friends and family member admonish them to be more active and diet, they get defensive and accuse their friends and family of fat shaming but that is not usually the case. Extra weight is never good for the body just like losing weight you should not lose is not good for the body. I have experienced both side of the spectrum though I was not that obese but still exceeded my bmi limit and also dieted myself to the point that I got slim and my body looked great but my friends noticed that my face also looked tired and haggard. When I went back to my natural weight, I may not look like a model but I felt better and my face looked more at ease despite being on the chubby side but still looking fine overall :)
WHATEVER GOES FOR ME exactly, I too have been over my BMI and I’ve been underweight. Both sides of the spectrum is never good. The body has a healthy weight where it can function well at. They get self defensive because the don’t want to change and accept reality. When reality is they’re slowly killing themselves.
I just hope that going under the knife stops being a thing in ten years. I have listened to many opinions on that topic, and I respect them, but I still believe it's not a sign of a healthy society that many of us desire to go through a surgery (with all its implications, especially what can go wrong) only for cosmetic reasons.
Eugenia Vitelli Just imagine a UA-camr in 2050 will be like: "by that time many women were even going through plastic surgery to have an exaggerated breast and butt." I hope it will be seen like we see corsets today, unnatural and unhealthy
I hope so! We are becoming more aware of things like pollution or how it's done what we eat, and many are trying to choose a more natural lifestyle. I hope it happens the same with our aesthetic appearance
Eugenia Vitelli A corset isn't in and of itself unhealthy though. It has more to do with how it's laced. Tight-lacing is unhealthy, but the way most women wore them back in the days they were more about supporting the bust and creating a non-bulgy foundation for the outfit.
LadyDragonbane A corset can even be good for health if you have problems with your spine. So is plastic surgery if you were gravely injured for example.
However the context is different here.
+LadyDragonbane I am not a corset expert, and I think what you both say is probably accurate. I was pointing out merely our desire to go through surgeries when it's not needed, because all of them are at least a little risky. Of course, if you have been through something serious it's different. I am just talking about perfectly healthy people.
I think right now, it seems like curves and larger "thick" women are in style, but at the same time I see a lot of skinny toned workout/yoga bodies.
I think in 10 years, the no bra look will be more excepted, and hopefully we have a natural-what-god-gave-ya body standard. I think that's where we are headed, especially with the "natural" makeup look in trend. I think now trends aren't as much of a standard as they used to be.
Becca D I don’t know if that’s going to happen. People need to have something to achieve or strive to. Even if that thing is impossible.
Hence the extremely tiny waists achieved with corset or the photoshopped Instagram models that look nothing like that irl.
Sure it might happen for some time but history repeats itself and the times will change again.
Well, it's 2 years later, and the trend is super heavy makeup, unfortunately :(
“fat acceptance” and “proana” are being supported more than ever before... I don’t think we have a healthy standard of beauty..
@@Zimuahaha I'd say that's mostly in america tho and what did change is that a lot more ppl are starting to put skincare first and makeup second
I agree it is gettinf better but u really think where gonna be alive in the next 2 years with the way climate change is going and no one is helping where all ginna be ded we literally only have 18 month according to the bbc
It seems like the super athletic fit look has been trending. In ten years, well, I shall be in my late sixties and not caring quite as much. :) Will the "grandma look" ever come into trend?
Agreed, the athletic body type is coming into fashion. Women who can lift weights greater than their handbags or bike more than a city block are the desirable ones on college campuses. Wearing up-scale farmer plaid and being able to do a bit of manual labor is a point of pride of many younger women and it will infiltrate the fashion trends. We're about to get the Olympics again and that'll give the toned body a little nudge too.
I vote for the grandma look!
Hey Justine! Your content is on point always. But this time, your presentation was so much more interesting. The figure on the left and moving images from the decade on the right made for a wonderful visual story. Good job!
+asra ghouse thanks 😄 I did spend ages (really...) on it. I am glad if it was worth it! 😊😊😊
On point? Ha ha ha.
Justine Leconte officiel I agree, it's great!
hello my lovely, here's a video theme idea for you -- what do you think of "age-appropriate" dressing? when does someone cross the line? you may say we can wear anything at any age ... not sure about that .. is there "transition" dressing, where you can "import" the latest trends ?
Uh this would be really interesting!! I hear so many people saying X or Y don't dress for their age :D
reminds of Baddie Winkle! Love her haha
I second this video idea
*gasp*
There is no age; it is just a number. We get told women at older ages cannot wear certain things, just spread your wings and fly - do what feels right for you
As a woman in my mid to late 40's, my ideal body is one that can still move! ;-)
I really try not to obsess with my body shape, I can't change it any more than what exercise and eating right can, so just accentuate the good parts, hide the "flawed" parts and keep your chin up! Good attitude, a healthy lifestyle and not stressing about body perfection is always attractive.
Eyelle Lucoop I agree. I used to think the "perfect body" was about appearances. Well, after a lot of hard work, my body looks great, but I've developed chronic pain and other problems with my endometriosis, so I feel a bit disillusioned by the idea of a perfect body. I guess one should be grateful for what they have, especially if it is feeling good!
+Eyelle Lucoup I agree. I'm 53 now and the body changes. Living healthy is better than trying to fit in the body shape, that are in fashion.
that's not the point of this video
Yes! I concur wholeheartedly with the moving body parts!😂
Great video! One thing I noticed was what you said about 18th century Europe, women did not wear corsets until the Victorian era. During the 18th century, they wore undergarments called stays, they had hardly any cinching effect to the waist and were solely created to support the bust and create the conical silhouette that was in fashion at the time. This meant that the breasts were elevated and pushed into the chest by the flat garment. There was no such desire for a 17" waist, but the fashions of the time did exaggerate the figure with the addition of a bum pad or panniers (depending on the decade), which would tie around the waist and the addition of petticoats and the final skirt would create the large hips and large bum look. Also, the new look created by Christian Dior during the year 1947, was actually not widely received and many women ridiculed it for being wasteful of fabrics due to the previous rationing of fabrics during the war. During the 1920s, women did not really wear shorter dresses, they typically wore calf-length dresses, or as long as long as ankle-length. I hope this helps.
It's a Western point of view of what beauty may be. Different countries, cultures and beauty standard. As a bi-racial person with curves, I had a lot of problems growing up in Germany, regarding being slim and flat. You know the beauty standard. Now, 15 years later, the way of beauty has changed and women envy for my butt, hips, small waist and boobs.
However, I figured, no matter how I look, the way I present myself (self-esteem) is the sexiest. It really doesn't matter that I might be too fat. And these days, you might not think, people ARE more accepting of how you look. Often we fall in our own trap of insecurities and self-doubt on how we are and look.
+Eve Brown yes, you are right, it clearly is a Western point of view because I drew the body shapes based on French dress forms from the archive. Thanks for bringing in another perspective!
Eve Brown amen! We all have to do what works for & own it confidence. I think more people than not actually follow this. It is a few that still think the Kardashians (or other media figures) are the norm but I’d like to think that it’s just a few.
Another entertaining video! I sometimes wonder if young girls should be shown something like this - idealized body types from 2000 BC to 2000 AD...just to reassure them that all kinds of shapes can be highly prized and beautiful, even if they don't happen to look on-trend at that moment.
Is exclusivity a key to the beauty ideal? For example, when food is scarce, fat can become a status symbol. Now, when overweight is a sign of being busy and eating cheap food, leanness takes more effort and is therefore admired.
You show us how, when manual labor made most women's bodies "too" muscled, the sloped shoulder and un-muscled arm were a sign of upper class status. Now, when sports require money and time, muscles became the status symbol. I'd like to think our fitness trends are all about the health benefits, but probably vanity plays as a big role.
Same with suntans: declassé, when most people had to work outdoors. Chic, when most people have to work indoors.
We humans are a weird species.
Sanni Judy, slimness in some form.has always been the ideal, though.
April Locke - not true. Throughout history that has changed many times. Even today in many countries curvy-large women are the standard of beauty.
People in western cultures love to think that “their” standards are the universal standards but nothing far from the truth.
1800- we wear corsets to make us skinny
2000+ we have people cut us up and stick foreign substances in our body to make our bust larger.
oh the progression we have made over the years.
Lauren D'Souza r/woooosh
For a large bottom or bust they added ruffles or tied pads around there hips stuffed with wool poorer women stuffed theirs with newspaper to get the same effect
@@mariaivanoff7955 we need to take a tip from them.
@@shallandavarpainterofsouls9509 well theres push up bras and girls still stuff their bras so it hasnt changed that much
1920- “We are rectangles”
after 10 years I think people will shift from butt and breast engagement to but and breast reduction, like the 20s, but not as boyish looking.
Just imagine what all of these women with the enlargements will look like at 90! Or, even better, in their casket. Oh my.
I have super big breasts and this makes me sad :(
Scarlett Rose are you kidding?
"Falling shoulders" is the only beauty standard that seems really odd to me. By today's standards that would be considered poor posture. It just goes to show how arbitrary beauty standards can be.
Actually, I have sloping shoulders naturally, it's not my posture. I was born in the wrong era! lol
Lol same
Some people have naturally falling shoulders. But yes, the ideal feminine body body was that that would be achieved by bad posture and lack of activity; it wasn't arbitrary, it had to do with what they believed a woman should be. Beauty standards are always related to what some people believe women should be.
I guess arbitrary is the wrong word. Maybe disconnected from objective aesthetics?
It's not bad posture. You can have a straight back with pelvis tucked slightly up and shoulders pressed down and still have sloping shoulders. Sloping shoulders look like a T but with horizontal lines curved down like an upside down parabola. In the past, it was considered extremely feminine in contrast to the T upper body that most men and athletic women have. Neither is better, but they are different.
This was wonderful. My body is from the middle of the 19th century! I was just born too late. Happily I was, or my appendicitis would have killed me back then. Really enjoyed this video, thank you!
Wow, cultural anthropology, the feminine ‘ideal’ reflected in fashion! I hope that the future ideal is more realistic and in harmony with real human bodies and reflects respect for women as human beings.
So basically Kim is amining for the perfect body from 1720, but with the use of surgery, not corsets.
+eizhowa she uses both corsets and surgery. I would say: in 2010 the shoulders are a bit more sporty, straight and wide than in 1720. Nowadays doing sports belongs to the "ideal" while it didn't in previous centuries.
@@kaelasaturn Yeah, I'm pretty sure it only has four bones...
I love this video! As someone who loves historical sewing vlogs, this is such a beautiful thing to see explained
You are the FIRST youtuber I feel happy to share your content with my followers. Really loving your perspective, knowledge, streamlined approach. Thank you.
I have the body type of those who I admire the most yet I’m still not satisfied with myself. It doesn’t matter how you look you criticize yourself the most. Fully accepting and loving yourself is the skill most of us have yet to master. I feel the pressure to change and fit in today’s beauty standard but I’m scared to lose what I already have, to lose what I find beautiful and perfect... That’s really the saddest part, I would throw away what I love because the world doesn’t love it as well.
This video was amazing!!!
+Use Less thank you. Researching the different dress form shapes, drawing them in Illustrator & finding video materials from each decade took me forever 😅
Thank you for the video Justine! Always find it interesting how desired silhouettes change throughout the centuries! Wonder if we'll ever go back to the corset with new developments in fabric technology which have revolutionised the industry throughout the 20th century. Love your videos, can't wait for the next one!
What I observe amongst teens in Denmark is a greater acceptance of all shapes and sizes. I see "friend" groups of girls and boys where the individuals have very different shapes and fashion styles. That is sooooo different from the 80s and 90s when I was a teen/young adult. It makes me very happy and proud of the danish youth today🤗
As my old closet shows, shoulder pads were quite popular, in the '80s/early '90s. I can take them out of the jackets and dresses and tape them to my knees for roller skating. 😉
you're always so thorough and informative! 💓 love from Indonesia
+Rahmadia Kushardiani thanks, I like to put things in perspective. Otherwise we could get trapped in a vision of "beauty" which is really just a snapshot of "right now"...
Awesome video. I love the history of women’s fashion. Thank you Justine for being such a fresh breath on youtube
This is my thought/hope for the future:
A lot of women (myself, included) are starting to go braless, or, at least, wear the more comfortable, light-weight bralette, as opposed to the wired/padded bra women have been wearing for some time. It definitely gives the breasts a different look.
Thoughts? Do you think this trend will take off?
I've gone without bra for years now, and when I (re)watch movies and series from the 90's I do realise that bras weren't a trend at all at the time! You can cleeeearly see women's breasts and tits showing under their tops... So why has it suddenly become that shameful to see anything under the shirts and tops? That's the question!
Anyway, I can't wait until both with and without a bra become normal, because i HATE wearing these, especially in the summer. It does make me look a bit flatter because it doesn't keep it all "compacted and forward" but hey, that's natural. I only ever wear a bra when doing sports or going out and really want to give myself a more accentuated silhouette...
e batdorf for me my boobs are just too big to not wear a bra. I'm not comfortable at all with out one on. so I doubt that the trend will catch on with other girls like me
e batdorf Same. And I've noticed that other women are the ones who give me flack because I almost never wear them. Men don't even notice lmao.
Actually, men DO notice. They just keep their mouth shut because it's a show. They sure love to see boobs jiggle.
the trend won't take off, at least not in terms of becoming timeless, because it can only be comfortably worn by a certain group of people. unless they start making properly supportive bralettes for busty girls and women, the bralette will not replace the wired bra. the comfort you feel with a bralette is equivalent to discomfort, pain, and less freedom of movement for women who carry heavier busts. I think they will both coexist.
Very interesting to see how the ideal has shifted throughout the decades! ❤️
In ten years from now, the ideal body will be the bionic woman with surgically elongated leg bones, a built in iPhone in the eyes and battery operated brain..
annie matronic pls no:))
annie matronic exactly! you got it..#transhumanism is in
Anni Psy b
Do not forget the tight gap and the lasered and not existent leg hair!
oh please no! let's hope body positive movement will have taken over and the ideal body will just be your own body beloved and celebrated ! :D
Great depiction of the change during the centuries!
The same about men would be great as a comparision 🙃
awesome video! maybe more reflection on fashion trends in different historical periods and different cultures can help us curb the craze for whatever is trendy at the moment. Thank you!
Hopefully, In ten years the standard will be a healthy, strong body that remains in whatever one's natural shape is. I say, dress according to your own creativity.
Love this video. More fashion history please. So interesting. Thank you!
Bernadette Banner has a great video on corsets, and they weren’t what we think. They weren’t super tight, nor extremely uncomfortable (exceptions made to extreme fashionistas of the era).
Also, the bottoms were made to look larger with a rump, which was a padding you wore to mimic that shape. No spines were distorted for that :)
Now, before someone decides to hate my comment, I’ve been educating myself on historical fashion and despite not being an expert by any means, my sources *are* experts and researchers. I still love Justine and her channel!
That's true, but this video talks about the fashionable "ideal" body type, not what the average woman looked like.
Even though most women would wear their corsets fitted but not too tight the beauty ideal called for the extremely tightly fitting and heavily boned corsets that high-class women wore in the period.
Same thing happens today. For example, most women outline their lips to make them look bigger but the beauty ideal calls for a look achieved (mainly) by lip fillers that upper-class or famous women tend to get.
@@liatm3042 I'm not sure I agree with you on your first comment... What made me write was when Justine talked about organs being displaced in the abdomen due to the tightness of corsets, which is absolutely not true (for at least 99% of women who wore them). That's the bit I wanted to dispel, the idea that corsets were instruments of torture for the majority of women :)
The beauty ideal certainly aimed for that slender upper body, but if you look at pictures of regular women they weren't really like that (much like today - we don't normally look like top models). They were very clever in looking slimmer by adding volume to their bottoms, which definitely made their waists look much tinier...
But I agree 100% that beauty ideals are rarely achieved by women, whatever the era! I just wish we embraced the way we look and stopped torturing ourselves in order to conform...
I just found your channel, I am loving the content. Happy to subscribe
+Shruthi Reddy Yayyyy! Thanks 🤗
Ideal body is what you're born with.. The way you feel comfortable and healthy 😏
But not babies hahahaha
You can feel comfortable and healthy without the body you were born with
Well done! I think we did have a moment in the 1990s when a more healthy, athletic shape, a la Cindy Crawford and the so called supermodels, was the ideal.
It seems post wartime response is more androgynous...then back to curves...i never noticed this before! Very insightful!
I would also love to see a vid about a womans age +style
I've got a 1920s / 1990s vibe
Bravo! Belle video informative qui nous fait repenser a comment nous voyons nos corps et comment ils sont vu par "la mode". Merci
This is the best video I've seen on this topic and the mannequin images on the left were very useful to actually compare the different shapes created by clothing.
+Cheshire Cat cool, thank you!!!
I would've said that I think in 10 years a more curve less figure would become more popular... But I think the celebrities like the Kardashians will still have a hold as influences on the public. So unless they decide to change their looks it might stay popular for a while longer
Suné v. A. I would just like to believe that we all have the wisdom to know the difference than to look at the Kardashians and follow suit.
What I hope for: In 10 years strong and fit will be the ideal for both genders. No surgery, no corsets. Whatever your natural body type is, is acceptable.
Wow. There's always something new to learn from your videos. That was a very interesting video Justine 👍 Keep up the good job. Also, thank u for working so hard to deliver videos with high Quality content.
+Candy thanks... Especially this one, with all the visual research, took me forever... 😅
I enjoy immensely fashion history especially the 19th and 20th centuries. I just watched on another channel just this topic of silhouettes during the past century and a half. Totally amazing to me how fashion changes due to styles in culture, economics, lifestyle and war and peace times. If I had to pick a body type I would say Medieval or Georgian eras.
Amazing channel! I believe the future ideal body types will vary across the world. I mean even now for example the trends are not exactly the same everywhere. I come from different cultures and countries and I notice that people from the US like more muscular bodies that most europeans. Arab people tend to like more curvy bodies but the trend is going slowly to slimmer bodies.. As ideal body reflects a society, I believe that the US is facing more and more health problems with diabetes, obesity etc so they will tend to go towards a more fit, muscular toned body, whereas in North Africa the trend might go to slimmer ( they face a lot of diabetes ) but soft bodies for women as their role in the society is often viewed as different etc... Anyways, it s only a guess but I sure don't know and I am curious to see what the future will be made off.
I was aware of these ideals all individually, but when you put it together like this, I realise more than ever how messed up this is. Particularly, binding our bodies to make ourselves smaller and less able to move. “Bras, the corset of the 20th century” blew my mind.
Wonderful video! The side views were very interesting.
Except, in the 18th century, absolutely no woman was tightlacing her stays. Not because they wouldn’t want to, but because it physically could not be done.
Until the invention of metal eyelets (and the use of them in corsetry) during the Victorian era, if you tried to tight lace stays (the precursor to corsets), the hand worked eyelets would simply pop. They did not have the strength require to tight lace.
Tight lacing did become a thing in Victorian times, but it was so remarked upon because it wasn’t common. It was also seen as silly and vain- only for the Kardashian-types of the era. And people might say “but what of the photographs we have of women with those ridiculously tiny waists?” Well firstly, most of it is optical illusion. Instead of making the waist tiny, what they did was pad out the surrounding area, which made the waist look smaller in comparison. Secondly, for the absurdly small “can wrap your hands around it” pictures of women’s waists- they were edited to look that tiny. Karolina Zebrowska has a video on exactly how they achieved that, pre photoshop.
So while I wouldn’t recommend tight lacing to anyone, it isn’t as dangerous as the Victorian medical articles would have you believe. After all, they did list tuberculosis as one symptom of tight lacing, and we know that to be untrue. We also know that we don’t have a bunch of malformed skeletons of Victorian women.
As for wearing historical style corsetry as it was meant to be worn- it’s actually very comfortable. Certainly much more comfortable than a bra. No breathing problems at all (I sing in mine, and I find it helpful, rather than making breathing more difficult). It’s also great for back support, and I find it helps with my anxiety. I describe it as a weighted blanket for my torso that I can wear out. Very helpful.
Bernadette Banner and Karolina (mentioned above) both have some great videos on corsetry, and busting the old myths that still hang around. Highly recommend.
Because we do still have many misconceptions about corsets- maybe because we like to think of ourselves as so much smarter than our forebears. But people have always been people. The majority of women had to work- they didn’t have the time or luxury of lounging around looking pretty in their corsets- they needed support and flexibility, and clothing that was sensible. So just keep that in mind when thinking of corsets. Women wouldn’t have worn boned support garments for 500 years if they were that painful and impractical.
I was looking for this comment 💕
i hope the "ideal body" evolves into just "natural bodies" in that whatever is actually healthy for that individual can be loved, appreciated, and even celebrated
a little addition to the 1720s to 1900s: the stays (corsets) were made to complete hide the bust in side few. you were supposed to look like a board. women would often put wooden rulers or other stick like objects inside their stays to avoid bending in the front. they also wore either "bum rolls", cotton stuffed fabric roll tied around the hips, or "panniers", the false hips which were built a lot like a hoop underskirt but for your hips.
the more you know.🌸
A 1990s story for you.
I was a high school mathematics teacher. One day I was wearing a dress with those oversized shoulder pads. As it was a cool day I threw on a sweater not thinking about the fact that it too had oversized shoulder pads. I later came across a drawing one of my students made of me showing my shoulders looking like I had a Rock of Gibraltar perched on each one. The drawing was pretty accurate. As soon as I got home I cut out those huge pads from all my clothing! Out of the mouth of babes as they say...
So interesting! Thank you. Yes, I agree with the idea that what ever your natural body shape is will be the fashion/style immediately.
I really liked your videos. I`m from Brazil and here women are very concerned about their figure and image. I clarify a lot of themes about color, face shape ... watching your videos. Pretty didactic! Merci. Obrigada. Thank you
very interesting video . you are my new favourite youtuber . I think the new trend sud be
" let woman stay comfortable , let her be the way she wants to be ,appreciate her to love her body as long she is healthy and drop the idea of having an ideal body " . I guess people are moving towords that direction and sensible fashion designers like you are starting such trends. which is a Good news :)
interesting video and thanks for giving us information in a lovely way 💗from Pakistan
+Mehru Sayyam 😘 have a great day!
I like the 20s silhouette, I might me biased because of ballet making me see a smaller bust as the ‘ideal’ but I do think the 20s lean silhouette is a rather elegant look
I really hope in 10 years, anything goes and individuality is praised. I really hope we are no longer pressured by celebrities or the media to look a certain way or that a certain look or body type is longed for. My sincere hope for 10 years time is that no one is judged for not fitting into the boxes that are so prominent in 2017 and your confidence and happiness are your greatest assets. Dressing to make us feel and look good for OURSELVES is hopefully what is to come and designers will respond to this by making clothes flattering for all body types, not just for sizes 0-8.
I really loved and Enjoyed your videos they are full of great info, i watched like 10 at one time, congrats keep up the great work!
"this is achieved by wearing a bra; the corset of the 20th century" ..that is so spot on. SO SPOT ON! They feel like corsets but on your chest itself, I never even thought of them that way, good observation Justine!
+Marjan Van Esbroeck it's more comfortable than wearing a corset covering the whole torso, but still, it has bones, compresses and gives shape...
As someone with a large chest, bras definitely feel like corsets. I had a goth phase and wore corsets. Never again haha! I wish I could get away with not wearing a bra but that's uncomfortable as well, why are our bodies built like this.. Thank you for responding!
What I hope is that the next trend veers more toward natural diversity. I see it growing in certain brands already (e.g. Monki), and I have hope that the next generation will somehow carry the torch forward.
Interesting & informative one. Really love to watch your each and every video. Keep bringing more. 💕
+Tamjida Prova thanks a lot!
Bought my very first tie-back corset. I plan to "encourage" my old body back to something that slightly resembles my original girly silhouette now that I am in the throws of perimenopause. I had gained a lot of weight and lost most of it again. I want to look nice and feel good about myself. The corset might actually aid in keeping me from eating too much again (better than surgery). I will also continue a regular exercise program to keep my core strong. There are several corset makers, except quality tight-lacing corsets can run into the high hundreds and thousands, so I chose a cheaper corset to begin with ($75). There's a whole corset culture out there I never even saw before. I can't even remember how I got into it or where I first noticed them, but I know cosplayers use them and many a movie star could not look like they do without them. I'm jumping on the bandwagon. 😁
Vollers Corsets (UK) have been in business for over 100 yrs. Corsets, whether in the form of back braces or shape-shifters, never left. We simply aren't looking.
Really fascinating... again. I am hooked on your videos. I wish you success and happiness. Awesome video. Love the history, and appreciate your hard work. Thanks. 🌹
+Gail Fattori this one was my longest video to prepare... So thank you!! 😘
Justine Leconte officiel you are very welcome. Have a great Sunday. 🌹
Good video, Justine!! Thanks so much for it!!!
I should have lived in the 1920. :(
Me too and the nineties. But there are men outside who like our body type. who don't go run after the newest "trends"
No matter how many times they change the ideal body, I'd still choose to stay slim.
Justine, I just love your videos.
+bljts thanks!
Hi Justine, beautifully presented and content as usual, new sub. I am going broke purchasing your recommendations on books, I am a BOOK LOVER oh my goodness :) Anyway, thank you, always learning and loving it! Also researching Project 333 I never knew, you have taught me so much in just the few videos I have watched!
I feel like it will become more of a competition between a few dominating different body ideals. Because we are now in the time of globalization we are now experiencing a more diverse beauty ideals which may be dominant in certain ethnic/demographic/ social groups. It's quite interesting because I just read an article for University about the experience of the body in social, political and economic contexts (specifically in the Korean society). It also addresses how beauty standards are very much shaped by politics, economic processes (consumerism ) and technology... So, I think it will be very interesting to see how beauty ideals will change or diversify and compete.
Also, this video somewhat helped me writing my review for the article. :D Thank you for the interesting video.
i loved this video!!!! thank you. 80s was skipped, but i really enjoyed! thank you!!!
+Mae h I thought about mentioning the 80's but I didn't find the bodies (apart from padded shoulders) to be so different from the 70's. The 90's seem to be much more a clear cut, to me... What do you think?
mm that makes sense, it wasn't so much the bodies as the fashion being so distinctly different in the '80s from the '70s with all the flash, volume in clothes and hair, heavy makeup. Perhaps the waif look was a reaction to the "bigness" of the 80s, the larger than life supermodels - Cindy Crawford, Linda Evangelista, etc., then you have Kate Moss.
What are your sources on the unhealthyness of corsets? I've been watching quite a few ladies here on youtube bust corset myths, and what you say in this video just seem - in contrast - to be poorly researched?
Love your history videos
Allô Justine, I just found your channel and thoroughly enjoyed your videos, they are concise and informative!☺️
+FashionablyAMY thank you 💙
The ideal and desired silhouette will be always the one that is very difficult to achieve and maintain
I think we are currently within a rising “strong is a new skinny” movement that will continue to grow for next few years. Ideal women of this movement is strong, very grounded with strong legs and oversized buttocks, very sexual with exaggerated sexual attributes but in a new strong, muscular way, a bit animalistic and raw. And very important, this women is very health conscious and very much oriented to the healthy living. What comes to my mind while writing this is a Taurus symbolism from Astrology.
I think the next trend will either try to bounce back with going into the opposite extreme or will try to refine that rawness.
So, in my opinion the next goddess will be either
“a ballerina”, i.e. a strong women with delicate and subtile strength, fit but not over muscular, sensual but not aggressively sexual, still “grounded” but in a more elegant way, in the case of refinement, or
“an anti (body) heroine” in a way that body will be greatly neglected and hidden while attention will be drawn to the parts that we consider more profound like for example eyes.
For me the best comment
In regards to the many bra comments down below, personally I have A-B sized breasts (depending on my weight) and I like the way bras give shape to my body even when I wear things like a loose fitting sweater, or an oversized shirt. I do however, prefer them lightly lined instead of heavily padded which is the trend in Asia. So many girls squish their breasts into these impossibly cushioned things..... I did that in high school, but decided to choose a more natural shape in the end for comfort and ease of storage >
Hi, Justine, do you think by wearing corsets every day, we can change the shape of our rib cage and pelvis to finally reshape ourselves into hourglass body?
I would like to have sources on the '17 inch waist' idea, I think.
A lot of the early 'tightlacing' caricatures seem to me to be c. 1770s (hence why they are also lampooning the high hairstyles) so I question when exactly the trend became popular enough that cartoonists got hold of it- and if they exaggerate the hairstyles that much, I'm not sure how much I should believe their take of tightlacing either.
Thank your for spreading the information that only one body type is accepted at one time. Your advice to dress accordingly to body shape, skin and hair tone and personality is actually good for womens health. I work as registered nurse.
You skipped right over the regency era's empire waist
Since I'm watchin this in the 2019,the ideal body hasn't really changed from 2010s. But nowadays, you have to be sporty, muscles everywhere, huge muscular butt huge breasts, so to approach it you have to take supplement that can easily break your metabolism...
You are the best Justine. Your videos are great and empowering, informative and fun to watch. I hope for diversity in the future because there will be people left behind as unattractive just because they don't for the beauty standards. Meanwhile there are beautiful ladies like Taylor Swift and Scarjo, different but gorgeous in their own way
Thank you for this wonderful video! 🌹
Interestingly, these body trends have been fabricated out of concern for MEN, what they like/don't like and so on, building on women's fear of not being financially stable. My hope is that with the rise of well educated, successful women who are not dependant on men, ideals in 10 years will be more focused on what's actually HEALTHY. I'm appalled at how brainwashed I am. I was born in the early 90s and realise that I've been exposed to the "heroin chic" look more than anything, and that has shaped my view of my own body tremendously. I should like that to change. I like your videos, Justine! You're have so much knowledge and are so sweet. Subscribed! :)
you are absolutely right. Education, social circles and the decade people were born in have so much influence over someone's "taste" and vision of beauty...
Actually there was a study that indicated that women dress for women, not for men. Men generally don't give a shit, they are pretty happy just to see us naked. But women, if you wear the wrong thing among your peers, you'll get ripped apart.
I certainly don't envy you! I couldn't care less what people around me think (even less those who'd "rip me apart" if I wore the wrong thing), and the women I'm close with don't exactly hang out with me because of how I dress or present myself. I suppose it might have something to do with what KIND of women you surround yourself with, and whose opinions you let affect you.
Great video Justine!
History repeats itself: Just as in the 1st part of the 19th c. fashion referenced the 18th c. and in the 2nd it reflected tastes and elements of mideval times or greecian (i.e. empire waists plus other elements paired with moderate hoop skirts).
Heading into the 2020ies, I'd say many references to the pre-existing tastes in fashion will, and already have, be/en mixed and run alongside each other.
I enjoy your videos a great deal!
Could you make a video on the French perception of fashion in the 18th c., please?
I've always woundered how a caraco jacket could be referred to as a 《pet en l'air》 (as sack version, that is) when this term seems rather vulgar but was socially accepted so well.
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Alex
Justine is well on her way to 1 million followers 👍🏾
+sifa lombahe you are very optimistic 😉. Let's reach 100,000 first and then we'll talk 😅
I could not do sports, nor could I enjoy the freedom of movement that I appreciate so much without a bra. I am 1.63m tall (which is on the smaller side of medium height for a European woman), but have a perfect hourglass figure with a C cup 75cm circumference bra size - and my favourite sports are windsurfing, cross country cycling, hiking in the mountains and riding, all of which make a good sports bra essential because underwire bras just don't cut it. Which I found out years ago when I started to be more active in sports again, lost 10kg of excess weight and promptly got torn ligaments in both my breasts. Which was incredibly painful for several months. But it made me see a specialist, who told me that underwire bras and all other classic bras were for evening wear only in my case and that what I needed was some good, ergonomically designed sports bras. I found a wonderful range called "Anita" (no, I am not paid to advertise them, I just love their fit and style and how efficient they are, even as bikini tops when I go surfing), as well as a few bras for women recovering from surgery which also fit the bill, and have never looked back since, and would also highly recommend the same to all women who are well endowed and have similar problems with the current bras they are wearing. Proper sports bras (not those flimsy little lycra or cotton rags that give no support at all and which are often passed off as such) are definitely the way to go. So, burn my bra? Not in a million years! Nor do I see a good bra as a corset,but rather an aide and something that gives me more freedom in my life.
Great video! Entertaining and informative 👌
+Choc Choc thank you 🤗
The corsets and stays weren't so tightly laced and uncomfortable (usually), that tiny waist and later pigeon breast were achieved by contrast, so for example hips were emphasized which made the waist seem tiny. And the curved back corset didn't cause "tremendous back pain", it was supportive and it didn't curve the back nearly as much as it seems, this effect was again achieved my padding the breast and the construction of blouses and dresses. Let's stop spreading the corset myths and misinformation
I hope that with the wave of body-positivity that the ideal body will be the one you have. There are fashion labels that are starting to hire models with more realistic silhouettes, and attention is being drawn to unhealthy practices in the industry where a model's weight and build are concerned. I know that at least in the 1990s the model was a clothes hanger that just happened to walk around, but people are starting to have different expectations. Overall, I think that's good.
Great video!! :)
Cool.. I didn't thought that from history.... we can get such information. 😉👍👍👍
+Sayani's vlog thanks!
I find it hard to believe that any given time period has a single ideal of beauty
I really like this video!
interesting and intellectual as well as intuitive! merci!
+annabelle7123 Merci beaucoup!
Justine, is it just me or is the blond secretary in the video Julie Newmar?
What's the track at 3.50?
I love watching your videos 🌈
+Layla Elizabeth Chester thank you 😘