Ditto on the 4-ways confusion. I just used it last night and had to really pay attention to what I was doing. Regarding the hat - how about a second retouch module and this time, add a tiny bit to the top of the hat. No one would notice that the hat gets just the tiniest bit taller but that little bit of white would be gone.
Actually I didn't know the shift + left-click combination to point out the source in advance. Thanks for that tip. This is especially valuable when healing/cloning with a drawn Path, as all paths are committed with a final right-click - AND.. in some cases when working at a high zoom rate, the automatic source decision kicks in and the source figure can get out of range. This is not the same problem with e.g. the Circle - Without releasing the mouse after the positioning-click, the source can be decided by drawing the mouse to any point within the zoom-area, before the left mouse button is released. In this way the source can be shifted fluently during a Ctrl-'circle' sequence. Hope I didn't kill the explanation with too many words ;O)
@@audio2u Which part is out of reach? The explanation was meant for you, who collects, accumulates and distributes knowledge about Darktable, so I would like it to be easy to understand. Maybe I got something wrong?
Nice! Love the new trick of shift-click to move the point in the retouch module. I didn't know about that. I would have cropped this image in a bit on the right so the subjects would be a little off center. Nice image though! I love making noir style photos.
My thinking with the crop was my two models sit equi-distance from the vertical centre of the frame, and her legs (bottom left) offset his shadow (top right), thus giving the image balance. That's the beauty of art, right? We can all have an opinion on what works for us! :) Not saying you're wrong.... not saying I'm right. Just, that was my thought process.
At the ten minute mark, the trouble you have with his hat is down to the choice of healing tool instead of Clone tool. I find that when I am working close to a lighter edge, if I use the healing tool it is drawing (appropriately) from the pixels nearby, and then I go "Duh" use the clone tool, problem goes away. Healing vs Clone is 20 vs 80 in my work flow.
Regarding the separator lines in 4-ways-tab of the colorbalance rgb module: The darktable gui styling is done in CSS and can be changed by the user. Open the preferences dialog, general section. Here you find the css editor. To change the separator line to be above the label, enter this: .dt_section_label { border-top: 0.05em solid @section_label; border-bottom: none; } (don't forget the dot in front of the class name dt-section-label). Click save and the change will be applied immediately.
Re problems retouching around the black hat: Is it to do with using the healing mode instead of the clone mode? I seem to have more problems with healing so I often use the clone followed by using heal over the same area to get a better blend. As general feedback on this series: When you first announced it, I was not especially interested. I did find I got much more immersed in them. Maybe because I am now a fairly skilled user of dt and am past the 'how to use this module' stage. I can now imagine what sort of look I'm aiming for and know what modules I need to achieve that. So what I'm driving at is that these videos are very instructive because they show dt in practical use rather than just individual modules on very select images. So another big thank you. 😀
Nice work on that image, as film noir goes, personally I prefer true black and white, no toning, it feels more Hollywood, but is a matter taste, the result is great. On watching the video, on top of the hat, instead of retouch heal, wouldn't it work better with cloning?
As long as you are in dt4.8, have a look at the composite module. Check my "new features in 4.8" video for how that works. Combine with the "expand canvas"feature, you might be able to. I haven't tried that.
Hey Bruce, Love your work, but there was too much work in that wall. A much bigger brush with a decent feather using the clone tool in one wipe would have sorted that out nicely.
I guess it comes down to how obvious (or not) you want the clone work to be. If you use a bigger brush and do one swipe, that cloning can be a little obvious. Using smaller brush sizes and multiple strokes, using different source/destination points makes it far less noticeable.
Ditto on the 4-ways confusion. I just used it last night and had to really pay attention to what I was doing. Regarding the hat - how about a second retouch module and this time, add a tiny bit to the top of the hat. No one would notice that the hat gets just the tiniest bit taller but that little bit of white would be gone.
Or, as others have pointed out, I should have switched to cloning instead of healing.
Actually I didn't know the shift + left-click combination to point out the source in advance. Thanks for that tip. This is especially valuable when healing/cloning with a drawn Path, as all paths are committed with a final right-click - AND.. in some cases when working at a high zoom rate, the automatic source decision kicks in and the source figure can get out of range.
This is not the same problem with e.g. the Circle - Without releasing the mouse after the positioning-click, the source can be decided by drawing the mouse to any point within the zoom-area, before the left mouse button is released. In this way the source can be shifted fluently during a Ctrl-'circle' sequence. Hope I didn't kill the explanation with too many words ;O)
Lost me a little bit, but I'm glad the tip was useful to you! :)
@@audio2u Which part is out of reach? The explanation was meant for you, who collects, accumulates and distributes knowledge about Darktable, so I would like it to be easy to understand. Maybe I got something wrong?
All good. I just needed to read your comment again, after some sleep! :) No, it all makes sense. :)
Nice! Love the new trick of shift-click to move the point in the retouch module. I didn't know about that. I would have cropped this image in a bit on the right so the subjects would be a little off center. Nice image though! I love making noir style photos.
My thinking with the crop was my two models sit equi-distance from the vertical centre of the frame, and her legs (bottom left) offset his shadow (top right), thus giving the image balance. That's the beauty of art, right? We can all have an opinion on what works for us! :) Not saying you're wrong.... not saying I'm right. Just, that was my thought process.
@@audio2u Thanks for explaining your cropping! Yup, there's no one, or right way to do it, that is certain. :)
At the ten minute mark, the trouble you have with his hat is down to the choice of healing tool instead of Clone tool. I find that when I am working close to a lighter edge, if I use the healing tool it is drawing (appropriately) from the pixels nearby, and then I go "Duh" use the clone tool, problem goes away. Healing vs Clone is 20 vs 80 in my work flow.
Yep, I know. Everybody has pointed that out!😜
Regarding the separator lines in 4-ways-tab of the colorbalance rgb module: The darktable gui styling is done in CSS and can be changed by the user. Open the preferences dialog, general section. Here you find the css editor. To change the separator line to be above the label, enter this:
.dt_section_label
{
border-top: 0.05em solid @section_label;
border-bottom: none;
}
(don't forget the dot in front of the class name dt-section-label).
Click save and the change will be applied immediately.
Woah. OK, I'll certainly be giving this a go! Thanks for the tip!
Ooooh, that is SOOOO much better!! Thanks zisoft!
Avoid bleeding by using the clone tool for the first bit of background.
Yeah, I know. I screwed up! :)
Re problems retouching around the black hat: Is it to do with using the healing mode instead of the clone mode? I seem to have more problems with healing so I often use the clone followed by using heal over the same area to get a better blend.
As general feedback on this series: When you first announced it, I was not especially interested. I did find I got much more immersed in them. Maybe because I am now a fairly skilled user of dt and am past the 'how to use this module' stage. I can now imagine what sort of look I'm aiming for and know what modules I need to achieve that. So what I'm driving at is that these videos are very instructive because they show dt in practical use rather than just individual modules on very select images. So another big thank you. 😀
Berny, thanks for the kind words. Yeah, you're right. I probably should have tried cloning rather than healing for an area like that.
Nice work on that image, as film noir goes, personally I prefer true black and white, no toning, it feels more Hollywood, but is a matter taste, the result is great.
On watching the video, on top of the hat, instead of retouch heal, wouldn't it work better with cloning?
Yep... cloning would have been the way.
Great content and very helpful. Is there a way i can frame multiple photos together like a collage in Darktable?
As long as you are in dt4.8, have a look at the composite module. Check my "new features in 4.8" video for how that works. Combine with the "expand canvas"feature, you might be able to. I haven't tried that.
Hey Bruce,
Love your work, but there was too much work in that wall. A much bigger brush with a decent feather using the clone tool in one wipe would have sorted that out nicely.
Haha... fair enough! As I've said before about darktable... there's more than one way to skin a cat! :)
I guess it comes down to how obvious (or not) you want the clone work to be. If you use a bigger brush and do one swipe, that cloning can be a little obvious. Using smaller brush sizes and multiple strokes, using different source/destination points makes it far less noticeable.