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  • @dungeonmasteromega
    @dungeonmasteromega 6 років тому +82

    Fun fact: Although Liira detests violence, she maintains a sect of her faithful (the Scarlet Mummers) devoted to martial combat for the sake of kicking the asses of Loviatar's faithful.

    • @Kirakirasama
      @Kirakirasama 6 років тому +9

      I love this fact! It's so fun to play! :D

    • @jigsaw924
      @jigsaw924 Рік тому +5

      The Scarlet Mummers are incredibly complex too. First of all, they're impossible to impersonate because if someone does, Lliira *WILL* expose them. She does not allow the office to be imitated or impersonated, ever. And most of their job is to strike back against the faithful of Talona (and Loviatar and any other super duper not fun bad guys who spread misery, or "meanies" for short.)

  • @michaeljames1593
    @michaeljames1593 4 роки тому +15

    Oathbreaker paladin here who recently took levels in warlock thanks to his patron Loviatar. Absolutely loving it. Broke his oath when he literally tortured prisoners to death to gain information. He was always more of a "whatever it takes" sort of guy. But went a bit too far that time for his god's comfort. One of his quotes from a session (Rise of Tiamat) Neutral/Evil in a party of Neutral/Good, they appreciate his ability to do things for information they can not:
    "Pain is my oath. I serve the mistress of pain Loviatar. People think of pain as a feeling, or an emotion. But when you remove that, you realize it is merely a tool at your disposal. But as with all in life, it is a give a take. You take pain, and use it, to gain focus, motivation, drive. And then you take that pain, harness it, channel it, and then unleash it on to those you see fit.
    And that is why it works. Plenty of men and women, even kings fear not death. As it is a means to an end. But pain... pain lingers, pain endures. Years, decades, an entire lifetime. Agonizing, torturing, draining their life and their will, to the point where they may not fear death, but it's cold embrace is a warming welcome.
    When faced with that amount of pain, it manifests fear. And that level of fear can crumble empires. And it sure as hell can destroy a cult. This cult will know that fear."

  • @ReiSilver
    @ReiSilver 5 років тому +19

    Just started a campaign today as a cleric of Lliira and it's fun as all get out. Even got an elephant who was previously used in festivals as a mount

  • @grymhild
    @grymhild 5 років тому +53

    I've played several clerics of Loviatar, and the propaganda against The Willing Whip is sad.
    Fear of pain is a shackle, suffering a chain, but mastery of pain is the key to true freedom.
    Pain is is a teacher, but it up to the student to learn.
    Pain is inevitable, suffering is a choice.
    To fear pain is a sign of weakness.

    • @sandeman1776
      @sandeman1776 3 роки тому +1

      Also: If it's enjoyable, you're not doing it hard enough.
      Pain is the great communicator, for everything understands it.

    • @BHRamsay
      @BHRamsay Рік тому +1

      Thank you for this, I'm just found some sage wisdom a loviatian cleric im writing about will occasionally use whenever needed.

  • @Wildstag
    @Wildstag 6 років тому +19

    Also fun fact for Loviatar is that according to the Planescape setting book "On Hallowed Ground" (page 104), "Loviatar is one of the two Finnish gods making an effort to stay active. Both she and Mielikki wormed themselves into the hearts of mortals on the prime-material world of Toril. There, Loviatar is a lesser power, not a demipower, and her heightened strength in that crystal sphere may eventually cause her to abandon the Finns for good."
    She's a transplanted goddess that stayed alive by joining the Faerunian pantheon, and her former pantheon basically just drifted off into obscurity.

  • @samwisegamegee551
    @samwisegamegee551 6 років тому +14

    I am playing a cleric of Lliira and she’s so much fun! I wish there had been a mention of the Scarlet Mummers in her section because they are bad ass, but I understand that you also need to keep videos short! ;)
    Truly I love your lore videos very much and look forward to them each week!

  • @haroldtchicken5871
    @haroldtchicken5871 6 років тому +9

    I'd just like to note that you're one of the few youtubers I always like videos on before even watching the video. You're where most of my forgotten realms knowledge comes from, so thank you for putting the time and effort that you do into these great videos.

  • @khamulthewack4732
    @khamulthewack4732 6 років тому +33

    That's awesome. I'm playing a death cleric of Loviatar as well. Lawful evil. He's basically Emperor Palpatine, but less ambitious and more kinky.
    My DM placed a secret gathering place for her followers under the Blushing Mermaid in Waterdeep. It's chalk full of creepy, rich "American Psycho" types for my cleric to interact with. He gets invited to lots of medieval yacht parties.

  • @sisyphusmyths
    @sisyphusmyths 7 місяців тому +1

    Honestly the best summation of Loviatar I can think of would be from Al Swearengen in HBO's Deadwood. "Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f****** beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you've got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back."

  • @km1dash6
    @km1dash6 5 років тому +7

    I can see a temple to Loviatar being an underground sex dungeon where people go for... you know. It would be an interesting spin.

  • @LifeOfTheFlame
    @LifeOfTheFlame 6 років тому +7

    i have a hexblade warlock of loviatar taking on the aspect of the willing whip as the sort of sentient weapon

  • @Natalie-ch3bt
    @Natalie-ch3bt 6 років тому +3

    I love these videos so much, words CANNOT describe. I like the lore of DnD and Forgotten Realms, but anything Gods, related I'm there. The almighty need.

  • @imperialadvisoraremheshvau3788
    @imperialadvisoraremheshvau3788 6 років тому +17

    Fun series. Are you aware that Loviatar the Maiden of Pain is a real world diety of the Finns from the Kalevala?

    • @Jorphdan
      @Jorphdan  6 років тому +2

      I do now thanks!

  • @arush122107
    @arush122107 6 років тому +1

    I watched all of the videos in the last 2 weeks and now I have to sit and wait a whole week between videos like a damn peasant lol.
    I too had a cleric of loviatar and had a lot of fun playing him.

  • @KOWAL19898
    @KOWAL19898 6 років тому

    Sweeeeet, I'm so happy to see a video about D&D pantheon, especially Loviatar, she's my favorite! Subscribed!

  • @TheAccidentalDM
    @TheAccidentalDM 6 років тому +1

    another great video! I love the info and the time saved not having to find it myself. Really valuable content!

  • @karifuko
    @karifuko 4 роки тому +1

    I currently am playing a Tortle Life Cleric named Kappa who also follows Lliira and it's the best so far. I made friends with my party's cell guards (Long explanation) and inspired them to quit and make their own gang, one with a dental plan after I drank tea with them in the cell.

  • @EmethMatthew
    @EmethMatthew 5 років тому +2

    Sounds like the Shadar-kai would like Loviatar a lot if they weren't committed to the Raven Queen.

  • @hewstopia
    @hewstopia 4 роки тому

    Playing a warforged monk with the path of mercy that worships lliira to spread happiness and soothing that he can never feel. I actively go to the sick in towns that I go to to heal or stop "suffering" if they are ready.

  • @tidaltorrent
    @tidaltorrent 2 роки тому +1

    I'm making a Dhampir (possibly unwilling) Conquest Paladin of Loviatar. Basically, right before she died/got turned into a Dhampir, her arm was cut off. As a Dhampir, she feels constant phantom limb pain, and the amount of pain is directly tied to her bloodthirst. (The pain becomes unbearable whenever she hasn't drank blood in a while.)
    Due to the amount of pain she is in, and the amount she causes, this gets the attention of Loviatar. Perhaps Loviatar offers to help numb the pain in exchange for her services as a paladin? (Open to suggestions, most of backstory left out due to relevance and brevity.)
    P.S. She will have a level in Undead Warlock, literally summoning her phantom limb for her Form of Dread.

  • @osirisgem
    @osirisgem 6 років тому +6

    I really have grown to look forward to wednesday's for these. One request... make them longer?!? Please. Oh and congratulations on your nuptials, you said that you would going to Thailand for your honeymoon in your gathering this weekend so I figured I should pass along best wishes. Thanks again for the video.

    • @Jorphdan
      @Jorphdan  6 років тому +2

      Thanks you! We're really excited for our trip!
      I like to keep them shorter so they are digestible little bits of lore. Trying to fit everything I can into the 6-8 minutes. But others have said they want longer videos. I'll see what I can do to make them 6-10 minutes long :)
      For longer lore videos I'd recommend AJ Pickett's channel. "the Mighty Gluestick" he often does 30 minute lore videos on DnD.

  • @ashleybrooks6713
    @ashleybrooks6713 2 роки тому

    Old video, I know but….Are you a follower of Liira? Because your content spreads so much fun and joy! Please don’t ever stop, these DnD lore videos always bring me and others such happiness. Thank you so much for creating all of this for us.

  • @joshpwnsnoobs
    @joshpwnsnoobs 6 років тому

    i learned lots. thanks for the great videos.
    hoping for a Shaundakul video

  • @jasonniebuhr8607
    @jasonniebuhr8607 6 років тому

    I’m currently working on a Fallen Aasimar Conquest Paladin of Loviatar. His parents were priests of Ilmater and they took him on one of their charity trips. The group was ambushed by priests of Loviatar. The father chose to take on the torture of the mother and character. The priests used that to cause more pain to the father, by killing the mother in front of him. The priests offer the character life if he lives in service of Loviatar, he agrees. Father dies in his torture. Character Falls. The character is finished being raised by the priests of Loviatar. He finds it disturbing how easy it is to transfer his practices from Ilmater to Loviatar, because the priests undergo similar pain rituals, including self-flagellation. He has truly become a follower of Loviatar and his childhood feels like it belonged to someone else. He has now become the Holy Scourge of Loviatar.

  • @amosericson
    @amosericson 6 років тому

    Thank you Jorphdan!

  • @sailor-hg
    @sailor-hg 6 років тому

    Previous editions indicated clerics mostly had to be near in alignment to their deity, but 5e sort of opens the door to "do you choose them or do they choose you?" which is good for more diverse character concepts

    • @elf-lordsfriarofthemeadowl2039
      @elf-lordsfriarofthemeadowl2039 6 років тому

      That's really up to the setting rather than the PHB. That's why, I think, the PHB tends to be be neutral and open about class restrictions

  • @nepoleon92
    @nepoleon92 Рік тому

    I am currently playing a Cleric of Loviatar. He’s Chaotic Neutral as he only performs his pain on those willing, definitely not a common follower. He’s so fun to play

    • @Jorphdan
      @Jorphdan  Рік тому

      I had a goliath cleric of loviatar as one of my first characters, so much fun :)
      EXISTENCE IS PAIN!

  • @bronzecobra8556
    @bronzecobra8556 3 роки тому +2

    Next week I’m about to play a tiefling cleric of Loviatar, wish me luck👍

  • @luoiix9093
    @luoiix9093 Місяць тому

    I have a fallen variant Assimar who is a descended of Loviatar’s blood line
    The reason they’re fallen is because they detest their origins (they are neutral good)
    thus they have dedicated their service to Illmater in hopes to elevate or take on the pain of others who cannot
    Loviatar personally decide to make them an ‘example’ and painfully removed one of their wings in the most extreme way possible.
    I had fun with this character’s story

  • @warden-3699
    @warden-3699 6 років тому +6

    Small correction, but Loviatar’s exact opposite is actually Ilmater.
    If you’re wondering how I know, I play a paladin of Ilmater. It’s actually a pretty fun character, the way I play him.

  • @cornkopp2985
    @cornkopp2985 3 роки тому

    I think Lliira and Waukeen had/have a thing going on. Reading their story about how they traveled together in faerun when the gods were all kicked out, and Waukeen literally giving Lliira her divinity makes me think there was more behind the scenes between them. You don’t just give your divinity to any old friend for safekeeping, they must have been *really* close/intimate for the trust to be there. And since Lliira canonically had a relationship with the High Revelmistress of her own church we know she was into women.

  • @BrianWalker93
    @BrianWalker93 6 років тому

    Funny I came across this video. My party ended up on Loviatar's plain, Aceron I think, and were accosted by Death Knights that followed her. They were gonna wipe out the entire party until my party's rogue made a deal to have our strongest fighter go against theirs. We win and they help us leave, if not then that warrior becomes a death knight but they leave the rest of the party alone. They agree. Paladin can't do it because of curse that makes him vulnerableto necrotic damage... So it's up to my samurai. I ended up losing the duel but survived because the rogue used his luck blade to wish us all to safety. Now Death Knights are constantly after us and we're branded XD

  • @briangronberg6507
    @briangronberg6507 5 років тому

    I’ve wanted to make a one-shot meme conquest Paladin of Lliira for a while now.

  • @stuartwhyte4274
    @stuartwhyte4274 6 років тому

    Been waiting for/anticipating this video, and it's finally here! One of my players is a Joybringer, and this video gave me a lot of good info about Lliira and her church that I hadn't discovered in my own research. Thanks so much!
    My player definitely brings mirth & whimsy to her portrayal of her character. (4th wall breaking sometimes.) This new info is going to inform my descriptions of how she fights (more like a dance) & some ideas for her backstory.
    You didn't touch on it in the video, but doesn't Lliira serve Sune or Selune?

    • @Jorphdan
      @Jorphdan  6 років тому

      Sune yes! Lliira is technically a lesser deity that follows/serves Sune :)

  • @crimesagainsthumanity2059
    @crimesagainsthumanity2059 6 років тому +1

    So Loviatar is basically the Goddess of Sadomasochism.

  • @rocknrollmanic
    @rocknrollmanic 6 років тому

    I played a cleric of LLiira once.... My mission, to spread happiness, merriment, and good time via booze. lots and lots of it. My first encounter I failed the check to hear our ship getting boarded and the start of the fighting. I only woke up when someone broke into the sleeping quarters. I lived but had to apologize many many times to LLiira after that. which got my character drunk again......

    • @Jorphdan
      @Jorphdan  6 років тому

      lol sounds like a great session :)

    • @rocknrollmanic
      @rocknrollmanic 6 років тому

      Jorphdan it was, till the dm decided to throw three bear totem barbarians at us...

  • @justapineapple6243
    @justapineapple6243 5 років тому +1

    Playing a Paladin of Lliira

  • @haroldtchicken5871
    @haroldtchicken5871 6 років тому +1

    I hope a music cleric domain is added eventually, Lliira could make a great deity for that

    • @haroldtchicken5871
      @haroldtchicken5871 6 років тому +1

      I now have a cleric of Loviatar idea. I pity whatever party gets stick with that one, but I'll be sure to tell them to thank you for the idea

    • @haroldtchicken5871
      @haroldtchicken5871 6 років тому

      *stuck

    • @GringatTheRepugnant
      @GringatTheRepugnant 6 років тому

      Music domain would make more sense for Finder Wyvernspur, Corellon and Milil.

    • @haroldtchicken5871
      @haroldtchicken5871 6 років тому

      It'd also make sense for Eilistraee, but I'm already doing a light cleric of her

    • @haroldtchicken5871
      @haroldtchicken5871 6 років тому

      I just like Lliira as a deity and like the idea of a music cleric so I'd probably go with her

  • @drunkenwoodelf
    @drunkenwoodelf 5 років тому

    Lliira is my BAE! I love her so fucking much! I've played a lot of joybringers over the years, gnomes, humans, dwarfs, good times!

  • @tomaslanza8564
    @tomaslanza8564 6 років тому +1

    Please.. You have to do a video about the "Seven Sisters" and others legendary characters of the FR.

    • @Jorphdan
      @Jorphdan  6 років тому

      boom!
      ua-cam.com/video/W5fy3clAmLA/v-deo.html
      and I'll see what I can dig up for other FR Characters :) I dislike the idea of spoiling novels, so we'll see. I kind of spoiled a bit too much already in previous videos.

  • @goodoljotaro12
    @goodoljotaro12 Рік тому

    Still want to play a Paladin that follows The Maiden of Pain that's like Drakness from Konosuba

  • @screwedupcivic2285
    @screwedupcivic2285 6 років тому

    Had to play the cleric and the wizard in a campaign. So i had a half-drow cleric of loviatar maiden of pain and her mulan Red wizard lover lol ... the party ended up killing them both.

  • @lordofinnistrad8757
    @lordofinnistrad8757 6 років тому

    One of the most fun characters I ever played was a Bard/Cleric of Leira. It was an amazing character.
    P.S. Yes, the stat investment was a nightmare. Worth it.
    Edit: Holy shit I didn’t expect Jorphdan to like the post. :D

  • @eldritch-tailedfeydeer7320
    @eldritch-tailedfeydeer7320 4 роки тому

    I want to do a Lliiran Paladin. Anyone have any suggestions on what I could do?

  • @Kirakirasama
    @Kirakirasama 6 років тому

    I'm so happy that you made this, but I must know WHY DIDN"T YOU TALK ABOUT THE SCARLETT MUMMERS!? They are the super coolest aspect of Liira and also relate to the feud between her and Loviatar!

    • @Jorphdan
      @Jorphdan  6 років тому

      I miss things occasionally 😉
      I'll have to look up these Scarlett Mummers and see what's up!

    • @Kirakirasama
      @Kirakirasama 6 років тому

      YEAH! :D

  • @BSH9009
    @BSH9009 8 місяців тому

    So pinkie pie as a cleric of Liira lol

  • @chuckdaniels7223
    @chuckdaniels7223 6 років тому

    What about Valkur? I cant find anymore info on him besides being listed as the God of Storms...

  • @triratna1397
    @triratna1397 6 років тому

    There was a pristess of loviatar who serve as nanny for some noble family.
    She is very modest, smart and not sadistic.
    it was easy to side with her since the noble family attitude she served was more unbearable than the whip.
    i think she convert her young mistress into the church.
    .. can't remember which forgotten realm novel.

  • @alainpbat3903
    @alainpbat3903 6 років тому

    Why was lliraa driven out during the times of trouble?

  • @Chernobog34
    @Chernobog34 5 років тому

    Grumpy mean people...XD

  • @stunfire
    @stunfire 6 років тому

    I would appropriate some advice on an adventure I'm thinking of making. To summarize the plot, the adventures are unknownly forced into a test of alignment where the end result of the adventure, and events during the adenture, is dictated by the adventures actions. My current plan is to have it be almost like a game for the gods, it being run by a powerful sorcerer, in the realm of limbo. He brought forward the plan to make a simulated world in this realm to pretend it was just a normal town.
    I ran on a little long, but my question is based on your 'magic plague' video. Is Limbo still a viable realm to use in 5th edition or do I have to make it in an older edition?

    • @Jorphdan
      @Jorphdan  6 років тому +1

      Limbo is in fifth edition! We might get more fifth edition info in the new Tome of Foes book.

    • @stunfire
      @stunfire 6 років тому

      Jorphdan thank you very much, if I may ask one more question, where might I be able to seek advice and or guidness in this adventure making process? Also any thoughts on the premise of said adventure?

    • @Jorphdan
      @Jorphdan  6 років тому

      Your adventure sounds fun. It's hard for me to judge an adventure not having read it or played it. It's your story have fun with it, there's really no wrong answers.
      As far as adventure making processes I'd do a google search. there are lots of UA-camrs out there trying to explain or teach that very thing. Good luck and happy searching! :D

  • @JBabyLeather
    @JBabyLeather 6 років тому

    Where did you find the pictures of the different priests?

    • @Jorphdan
      @Jorphdan  6 років тому

      From the 2nd edition book "Faiths and Avatars"
      www.drivethrurpg.com/product/17569/Faiths--Avatars-2e?term=faiths+%26+a&test_epoch=0&it=1?affiliate_id=728035

  • @rtavz7107
    @rtavz7107 3 роки тому

    Does anyone knows if they're related?

  • @akhtarmohammed4085
    @akhtarmohammed4085 6 років тому

    nice vid

  • @johnthompson4850
    @johnthompson4850 5 років тому

    I know this is kind of old but why skip Lloth?

    • @Jorphdan
      @Jorphdan  5 років тому

      She's a dark elf goddess, and I was doing the main human pantheon. I did touch on Lolth in another video.
      ua-cam.com/video/jmtDVIeiQok/v-deo.html

  • @missvasnormandy9932
    @missvasnormandy9932 Рік тому

    I ship Lliira and Waukeen!

  • @Spartacus547
    @Spartacus547 6 років тому +3

    So Loviatar is the goddess of SM ? How kinky are D&D writers 😂

    • @itzalion
      @itzalion 6 років тому +2

      And Drow societies are practically femdom dream. Ed Greenwood was a naughty boy.

    • @itzplant3196
      @itzplant3196 4 роки тому

      @@itzalion lmao

  • @ivangalic5302
    @ivangalic5302 Рік тому

    So basically a goddess of bdsm.

  • @azielmelo7756
    @azielmelo7756 6 років тому +2

    I made an Loviatar's Chaotic Good paladin. He sees the pain as the force that push people to some better Future. The pain has no relationship with the evil, Just says to the people where os the evil.

  • @p.manojprabu2996
    @p.manojprabu2996 3 роки тому

    Make video about none human gods

  • @cyriccyric4413
    @cyriccyric4413 6 років тому

    First..Yaaa me...

  • @triratna1397
    @triratna1397 6 років тому

    THIRD~!!!!!