QB Room’s Jordan Palmer: Why Mahomes Can Do What Your QB Cannot Do | The Rich Eisen Show
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- QB Room’s Jordan Palmer tells Rich Eisen why Kansas City Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes can do things on the field no other NFL quarterback can do.
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Mahomes has the physical attributes of a shortstop, the arm talent of a pitcher, and the mental processing speed of a point guard. He’s done all those things in his athletic life, and has wrapped all those talents into being an elite QB. And he literally grew up in pro sports, seeing how champions train and perform.
Not even close buddy. He's only average for an NFL QB which would make him incapable of playing SS in the majors.
@@Draconisrex1 That is a funny comment right there. If Patrick is only average for an NFL QB why has he been to 4 out of the last 5 superbowls.
@Draconisrex1 dude delete your comment
@@Draconisrex1you must be special
@@Draconisrex1 Only average for an NFL QB??? What are you smoking you must have never watched football in your entire life buddy
This perfectly explains his all time win% when down by double digits.
Pat the best we’ve ever seen
Uh except for like JOE OR BRADY .. OR .. nm .. 😂
Exactly right. The air raid was the essentially the 2 minute drill all the time. Plus he had an insane amount of pass attempts per game.
two weeks of Rich Eison talking about my Chiefs and the SuperBowl...Immaculate.
*Eisen
His defense at Texas tech was God awful. World's different now. He's so freaking fun to watch. Chiefs are fun to watch. Coming from a diehard Chiefs fan since late 80s we do not take Andy and spaggs for granted. Kelce and Mahomes are electric
I remember I was hesitant about Spags when he first got here, glad he has proven himself so much since. I wasnt against him, but wasnt sold at first either.
The first pass I seen him throw, his first game at Texas Tech, I knew he was going to be a NFL great
he had all the throws, every arc - every angle - every style of coverage leverage - everything
I saw Peyton Manning come off the bench as a Freshman at UT. They were playing Arkansas. Manning led them to a come-from-behind victory and took the starting spot. I knew he was destined for the NFL.
@@Draconisrex1 That one isn't as surprising though. Manning was one of the top recruits coming out of HS, Mahomes was only a 3-star.
After seeing Gruden’s QB camp before the draft that year, I was sold! If you go back and watch that episode now, it’s even better because it all makes sense! Could you imagine if they drafted Watson instead that year? I would probably have stopped watching football by now due to pure agony and devastation! I have been a fan since 1989, and I would do it all over again… and endure all of that pain without question to experience this past 6 years!
I live in Big 12 country so I watched him a lot at Tech. At the time I thought he was great while at the same time telling myself that Tech has never produced a QB that was successful in the NFL. They had a ton of QBs that put up huge numbers and didn’t even get drafted
Mahomes possesses an innate ability to perform his best under pressure during big games and other QBs choke badly.
I wz watching on I think it's called, "SPEAK". This wz b4 their game w/ the Ravens. The question they were discussing, do u pick Raven's Defense 2 win or Patrick Mahomes. 3 out of the 4 said Pat Mohomes!!! BUT they knew the stats of Ravens!!! Shaddy & Julian picked Pat & another host picked him. Suddenly Julian said, "I can't NOT pick Patti no more!!!" He said, he wz on'The Herd,' & said, "They did a study on Patrick Mahomes heart rate." Julian said, "The only time, Patrick's heart rate goes up, is whn he is on the sidelines & he can't help. 1 min. left in the game, & ball in his hands, his heart rate drops. I can't go against that, that's crazy!!!" As they cont'd their debate Julian said, after 1 host kept talking abt The Ravens & stats, no 1 wz injured, Lamar is the MVP of the season, suddenly Julian again "If u're not a Chief Fans, no 1 is betting that the Chiefs win. The only reason is one five is trotting out." But I think BOTH Pat & probably moreso, BUT also Travis, play their greatest!!! How those 2 almost thrive under pressure, is what's amazing 2 me!!! 1 Chiefs fan & anchor, showed interesting stats, b4 or after they won. Every1 of Lamar's Jackson stats went down in the playoffs compared 2 the season. And Pat's stats always go up during the the playoffs!!! Overall b/c of that, the Chiefs thrive when it comes 2 the playoffs & pressure. IT'S CRAZY!!!!
Great comment, just a correction, by Julian you mean James Jones@@tammyboon6259
He scored 0 2nd half in the ravens game and if Jimmy G hits his WR in super bowl the 49ers win .. Emmanuel sanders *😂
@@tacotom3492 If Jimmy G hit Sanders on the throw you just referenced, the score would have been 27-24 forty-niners with a minute and forty seconds to go. Chiefs still had all of their timeouts, and this is definitely a 4-down scenario. If you don't think that Mahomes and the Chiefs can get at least 3 in that situation, then you haven't been paying any attention whatsoever. They did the same in 13 seconds against Buffalo and have done the same in under 30 seconds numerous times in the Mahomes era. Also, with regard to the Ravens game, the Chiefs switched into ball control mode in the second half because they were ahead and were containing the Ravens' offense for the most part. At any moment they could have switched their strategy back to attack. This is verifiable if you go back and look at the play-calling in the two different halves. But haters just want to talk, not understand, and they'll just jump on anything they can to trash Mahomes and the Chiefs.
It was kelce or alex smith that said a while back that Mahomes has a photographic memory and uses it for his advantage in play making.
Yea, I've heard that too!!! He can see a play once & remember it, from yrs ago!!! BUT what I didn't know, is that 1 reason why it's so hard 4 defense to cover Travis, is b/c like Pat, Travis can improvise!!!! And sumhow they can read each other. 1 of the amazing plays, where Pat wz scrambling & suddenly passed to Travis, he had improvised cuz he knew the other guys would know where he wz "SUPPOSED to GO!!!" I didn't know that, & Travis also played QB so he also understands how QBs think. But Pat's accuracy is SO amazing!!!! That why when ppl thot he should stop during the regular season throwing balls 2 the guys who would drop the ball, esp, MVS, 1st Pat said, "I could've passed it shorter?!?!" & he also had faith in the guys & said u just keep practicing & throwing them the ball!!!"
Yeah, that was way earlier in his career, too. Before he even started iirc.
Maybe teams should be drafting based on photographic memory- Anybody coming out this year that has one??
Physically, Mahomes is also extremely flexible. Almost elastic. We saw that when he was bent back awkwardly vs the Ravens with no problem. This gives him more gas and accuracy on passes from weird angles!
Usually the more muscular you are the less flexible you are I think that helps him that he's not very muscular.
His whole body just whips the ball with such fluidity its insane! You can see the power building up as he throws
@@norrismannjrman yall just hate😂
@@norrismannjr only cause big guys tend to not stretch lol.
@@norrismannjrBUT have you seen his arm!!!! Maybe not the rest of him, BUT his arms, & even his chest, he's muscular. It's ALL about muscle memory!!!!
Jordan and Carson couldn't stop telling us how much better Joe Burrow was than Mahomes not even a year ago. We don't need to listen to this guy.
If you were to create a QB like the movie weird science when they made that chick… It’s almost like the Chiefs did that… super competitive …smart… rocket arm…is better when the game is on the line… No off the field issues… athletic… accurate… makes everyone around him better …underrated mobility…tough as nails …the highest level of ability to extend a play… No moment is too big… Thrives on the haters…great teammate! Are you kidding me?
this is what's wild. He has the competitive spirit of Jordan (psychotic) while still being a good dude
Mahomes has a number of intangibles that no one else has
YEP I agree!!!! Watching how at 5 yrs old, he was already pitching so fast, that for the kids, playing t-ball, they had to make Pat roll the ball!!! He has the genes, & how young some of the greatest athlete starts, like Wayne Gretzky, I just don't see how u replace that. AND his work ethic, & Football IQ he's a genius!!!! Andy Reid recently after 1 playoff game said, that Pat is a perfectionist!!!
mahomes is an elite athelete, but has a game that is not overly dependent on it. he'd be pretty successful even without his physical gifts because of his intangibles, as you pointed out. but in combination? unstoppable.
@@jobunaga4178lol, elite athlete?
@@TheShepdawg9 Without a doubt Elite
Should be Qb coach anywhere, this man has a perspective only a few coaches in the league have
Pat has all the physical traits you want, has a strong studying habit, and can process quickly, and on top of all that, he's a good dude. He is a humble guy even still. We in Kansas City are lucky to have him. Between Mahomes and Kelce being leaders on the offense, Coach Reid and his staff, and the defense led by Chris Jones and others, we are blessed. That also includes Mr. Hunt who is a good man. Brett Veach is also a good man. When you have good men who are good at their job at every level, the younger players and free agent veterans follow because we have a strong culture in place.
Pretty sad that the only real knock on Mahomes are things he isnt really responsible for. He cant control the fact he sounds like Kermit and his wife and brother are adults that kinda should know better by now.
Don’t forget that Carson Palmer last yr said Burrow was better than Mahomes 😆 And Jordan agreed
Patrick proves that if you do not demonstrate "intangibles" you will never be a great NFL QB. There are guys who have passing skills but don't make anyone else around him better. There are fake QB's who can run and run and run, but can't read a defense and do not make anyone around them better - they are selfish. Patrick is allowed to grow and to achieve in this offense and is given room to make mistakes that he grows and grows each year he plays. He came in being able to throw deep quick passes but had a hard time in sustained drives. This year he has had to learn how to operate on sustained drives and that completes him as a QB - now he can quick strike and do a 12 play drive. The NFL better watch out. He is the best playing current QB in the NFL right now. Not even close.
Great conversation, as usual and as usual, I wish it was longer... lol..
This may be the first season in his career that Mahomes has a great defense
What an interesting perspective. Explains a lot.
Think of a football field as a chessboard. Most see the board primarily vertically, back to front. Good players also see the board horizontally side to side. Great players also see the board diagonally. Generational talents see it all at once.
super interesting stat, never thought about it that way
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Purdy had a similar play at Iowa st. As Mahomes had Texas tech both has a ton of passing yards.
“Always imitated, never duplicated”
He plays a little bit like a shortstop and second baseman in his throws can be off balance and still deliver a good ball
Ever watch a major league infield go "around the horn" after a strikeout or pitcher warm up? Notice how they're not "over hand throwing" the ball but instead side arm "whipping" the ball. The fact that Pat can do that with a football is what's amazing to me. Watch an infield sometime. Notice they're "slinging" the ball as opposed to throwing it over hand.
That's because he was a short stop and pitcher in highschool
Shout out to Brett Veach for really pushing the issue on drafting him! EVERYONE basically knew and seen the same things about Patrick. But Brett seen something in him that most didn’t….then after taking over the GM spot just look at the Chiefs draft classes 😳 The Chiefs will be good for a looooong time! They are around 13th when it comes to the cap which is scary!
I respect Jordan and there's no doubt he knows what he's talking about, however in this situation he can't tell Rich the truth. The truth is NO, Patrick Mahomes does not have to get his feet to a consistent pre-pass base to throw an accurate ball. I've watched almost every snap of his college and pro career, and although most of the time he does get his feet set and he's definitely become better at it, he has the arm strength/arm talent/poise to get it there regardless. Aaron Rodgers had this in his prime, Josh Allen has this, Matt Stafford has this. 99.99999999% of people, no matter how hard or long they train, will never have this ability.
Jordan can't say that outright because he's got a room full of kids whose parents are paying him money in hopes of becoming the next Mahomes. The pursuit of this dream is a primary driver in his business, and he wants the maximum number of kids to buy this lottery ticket and work with him in his program, so he can't say no even though that's the reality. And we're going to see a TON of these Caleb Williams types coming out of college in the next few years, because EVERY kid wants to be that guy right now.
That being said, you CAN train for certain things that help, such as arm strength, and Mahomes has done this with his dad since he was old enough to pick up a ball. Whether or not you can be accurate with it consistently, or have poise and focus to do it with huge defenders barreling down on you trying to kill you, the competitiveness/toughness to pick yourself back up and keep going even when your hurt. Those are the qualities that are innate and make Mahomes unique.
Yes he seems to be a rare combination of things. I think Allen is close in many ways but I think lacks the ability to not throw picks at the wrong time. Its an impulse thing I think. Pat has more impulse control and a bit better ability to throw off platform. Its interesting to think about what would have happened if Mahomes goes to Buffalo and Allen to KC though. Allen's got relative randos coaching him while Mahomes has the Hofer that made Mcnabb look good.
Its a short drive, Taylor. Make em all nuts.❤😅❤😅
My dad, lifelong Tech fan and Big 12 watcher, says that Brock Purdy was great in college and everyone slept on him in the draft.
If you’re a QB, of course receive training if you can afford it, but ultimately be yourself at all costs. You can be an efficient and effective version of yourself or be a reckless and unpredictable version of yourself. Per the situation, pick wisely.
*Being the best version of someone else doesn’t make you the best version of yourself!!!*
Ive never heard that perspective on mahomes. He absolutely carried his college team every weak. No other starting nfl players on his entire team. Constantly in gotta have it drives. Thats why hes so clutch. Now that hes got some help around him hes more successful in those moments
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He who doubts Mahomes better be prepared to suffer the consequences of irrational thought
Patrick’s skill set is rare and unlike any QB in NFL history. He’ll be a first ballot HOF when he’s done playing, I’m not sure he’ll have more SB rings than Brady but he’ll be in his neighborhood. I’ve seen the QB documentary on Netflix and he puts a ton of work into staying at the top of his game mentally and physically like Micheal Jordan did in
basketball.
I can't stress it enough. Most NFL qbs drafted high never had to overcome being on a bad team in college or high school. It's just a fact that bad teams draft high. A lot of these guys go to bad teams and it's their first real taste of losing. Mahomes was the only good player at Texas Tech. How is everyone surprised that when he's finally on a good team with talent that the Chiefs are almost never out of the game? You can't can't teach a guy the ability to not let his mind go to sh*t when he's never been presented with adversity.
Is no one going to mention that he's had the best offensive supporting cast of all time? He had a HOF receiver, HOF tight end, HOF offensive coach. A lot of the differences between Mahomes stats and others is the yards after catch.
@TheShepdawg9 What does he have this year? No HOF WR, Aging TE still HOF and HOF coach. Yet he is still doing it. He doesn't have 3 WR who would start for any other team like burrow does. He doesn't have 2 elite tight ends and a HOF WR like Allen does and he doesn't have a Historical defense (Oh wait mabey he does this year LOL) like Lamar does. On top of that he has made 4-5 super bowls.
In addition to the physical attributes, Mahomes has a freaky spatial awareness, and always seems to know where everyone is and where they are going to be. It is a huge part of why he is so good scrambling, because that isn't his speed ( he is a 4.8 on the 40yd ).
Kelce shares this ability
This is the same guy who told us Trubisky was as good and that Blake Bortles was going to be the best NFL QB for the next 10-15 years so can we chill on his opinion being equivalent to scripture?
By saying "one of the few guys who went and saw Texas Tech play", does he mean of all scouts? Because even though Tech is routinely mediocre, they still sell out a 60,000 crowd every game.
definitely talking scouts. Veach/Dorsey/Reid deserve credit for scouting Mahomes the way they did but also got a little lucky that ~2/3rds of the NFL wrote off any QB coming from Tech / Big 12
@@davis267 Chiefs didn't get lucky. They did their homework and knew when he would likely be drafted. That is why they moved up to get him when they did. The draft is always about potential and teams have different ways to determine if that potential will blossom. There is no guarantee that Mahomes would be the same player with any other team that would have drafted him. People act like he could have just came in the league and did what he does with any other team. The bond he has with his head coach and the willingness to allow him to do what he is gifted to do by Andy Reid along with the ability to learn from Alex Smith helped Mahomes blossom from potential to the best QB in the game.
Wow if this is true than Caleb Should be good to go. That D was horrible. But this is an interesting thought
Look at them side by side. Mahomes looks like he’s wound up like Bruce Lee getting ready to punch right through you.
His oline holds all freaking game
🤣Tell me an Oline that doesn't hold by our standards in the NFL.
He thinks Joe Burrow is better.
Sounds like Caleb to me
nothing drains the excitement out of rich like talking about Mahomes.
Nobody makes throws like Pat Mahommes, nobody.
Tom Brady was so protected and that’s how they beat Chiefs in that Super Bowl! And Mahomes was guarded close he couldn’t move! That to me are the only differences!
If you are trying to match Patrick Mahomes and Prock Purdy physically, you are doing it wrong. These guys process defenses quickly and decisively throw. They make defensive foot and hip movements to avoid the rush while focusing down field. This is mental training, for a mostly mental position. Why does media always try so hard to make is seem like QB is a physical position?
Damn so Deion Sanders so should be a no brainer #1 pick according to Jordan
Mahommes could jump out of a plane with no parachute and would calmly land on his feet!
The Chiefs have won with Reid, Mahomes and Kelce for the last 6 years at a historic rate because they have 1 thing that is light years ahead of everyone currently playing and only Brady and Gronk (not Belichick) can match them in this area in the history of the game and that is unmatched and elite football and natural athletic IQ but also anticipating each others elite football and athletic IQ in real time. Thats a fact.
It will be very difficult to replace Kelce and have the same success. This is why Kelce stayed and Hill left, although as much as I dislike Hill his secret is also off the charts football IQ and that comes before his speed. Having both makes him the best wr in football and this is coming from a Chiefs fan who dislikes Hill so much that I would not attend games after they drafted him and didn’t until he left due to violence towards women and children. But I recognize what I see on the field.
Whats getting scary is Mahomes has started showing glimpses of being a sore loser in some losses. That there is the Jordan, Kobe, Tom mentality where you hate to lose more than winning and thats whats going to make Mahomes the Goat
Put Josh Allen on the niners right now and see what happens.
They would lose in the playoffs.
Josh Allen is the new Dak Prescott/Tony Romo/Phillip Rivers.
Good at football. Great at losing.
Tell me how he personally lost the 13 seconds game @ KC@@personalprogress7876
Utep!
First!!! Brock Purdy is a top 5 QB!
😂 😂 😂
Lmao
Your probably just a casual fan who only see's and understands surface level ball, which is ok but history will prove i'm right.@@deemity7557
Aren't you the same guy who was downplayed Patrick skills and promoting Joe Barrow?? You're a joke!!😂
This guy said Burrow was a better QB. Disregarded everything this guy has said since that moment.
I’m a chiefs fan . He meant that Burrow plays the position more fundamentally sound he’s like Brady Brees the mechanics the moving with the ball security.Basically they follow all the traditional rules of quarterbacking.
Pat is unorthodox at the position Reid was the perfect coach for him other coaches that don’t kno or understand Pat would try to train these things out of him diminishing who he is and the creativity.
He was very much not just saying that. And Mahomes does everything within the pocket better than Joe does too. He's the best passer on schedule and off schedule. All the stats back this up. @@WeRacin
@@drubizzy I’m not talking about numbers I’m talking before a pass is even thrown the mechanics that’s what he was speaking to . And how QBs like burrow does almost exactly what he’s told to do with less improvisation like Pat Allen and guys like that . Go revisit his statement he made it was beyond completion percentages and passer ratings
Get a beefed up Oline..and skip..and..hop..and prance .
I think Lamar should holla at him
The refs help sure does make a difference.
A quarterbacks ability to create time and space is the exact reason the "quick release" evaluation is stupid, at best. Mahomes holds the ball longer because he can, yet the Burrow, and other QB wannabes, have legions always bragging about how Joe, and the others, have the quickest releases in the league. That is because he has to get rid of the ball quick with that feeble offensive line. These dumb fans irk me, and they are schooled by even dumber pundits.
*It's his field vision and ability to process that makes Mahomes what he is -- special.*
Despite the talking-head hype and ignorant fan opinions, Mahomes is not special athletically or a better athlete than Brock Purdy (and most other NFL QBs). Both throw the ball at 55 MPH which means they both have average Starting QB NFL arms. Neither are particularly fast. Mahomes' 40-yard dash was 4.80 which is barely faster than Purdy's 4.84 and Purdy is faster in the first ten-yards being in the NFL's 93rd percentile! Purdy has average hands at 9.5 vs Mahomes who has smallish hands at 9.25. Mahomes' only physical advantage is that he's taller, but he's still only NFL average.
So, sorry, but Mahomes is not a better athlete than Purdy and almost every other starting QB. He's just average. But, like I said to start, it's his field vision and ability to process that makes him what he is -- special.
Why u have, this dude talking about pat. He doesn't even like pat, but guess what pat is still better than him and his favorite qb.... and still hating on pat i directly.
Rich Eisen be deep throating Mahomes every have he gets like we get it we don’t need be reminded everytime of his greatness damn! Glazing at its finest !
You would be doing it too if that was your QB they're talking about, you're just jealous.