I enjoy your videos, particularly your positive, upbeat presentation: your enthusiasm for HT shines through, and it’s infectious. I’ve been on this journey some 30 years, and I’ve done the receiver/separate amp thing also, didn’t notice a difference, but amps can be keepers, and I share your goal of one day owning a Trinnov. Hope you stay well and keep making videos brother!
Thanks Mark, appreciate the kind words - and I'm hoping I do notice a difference in clarity with the 8500 going into pre-amp only mode but even If I don't the amps are always part of the plan!
Just remember Air out means Air in. When we turn on things like a bathroom vent, kitchen hood, whole house fan, or the ventilation your installing. All of these fans push air outside but that means the house will infiltrate that air right back in from outside via cracks, light sockets, plug outlets, doors and windows, etc. I live in Northern California were this used to really only matter during allergy season but now with the constant forest fires the outside air is so bad that rarely is this kind of venting used anymore. The best thing to use here is a single zone ductless mini split......Nice set up you got going on there.
@@BuildMontage Lets say that all 3 of those fans extract 300cfm from your room. Probably 100cfm will just infiltrate right back in via electrical holes, speaker wire holes, etc. The other 200cfm will come from under the door from a room that is air-conditioned. BUT, the rest of your house were that 200cfm is coming from goes into a vacuum and it will infiltrate that 200cfm from outside as well.....It will likely work. But you want to truly understand what is happening because that 300cfm that infiltrates into your home is UNFILITERED. Meaning your bringing lots of dust into your theater room, and your home.....For example, open your bedroom window and put a fan in it blowing to outside. with your bedroom door shut put you hand/foot on the bottom were the door has a crack and you will feel all the air rushing in. WHich is what you are trying to accomplish. But then go out into the house somewhere and open a window just a crack and you'll feel all the make up air that is trying to get into the home. You see air takes the path of least resistance, so if a window is opened it will take that path, if you close it it just finds another path. Infiltration/exfiltration.....If your theater room was air tight the fan wouldn't even move air, they would just spin......Just always remember, whatever air is extracted from the house has to be made up. Some high-end performance houses use HRV/ERV systems that filter that incoming air......You can turn a fan on in a room and push air around and that does nothing. Its only when you push/suck air to outside that this issue is amplified.
@@BuildMontage Yep. I even fell asleep a couple of times at work. Couldn't make it through a movie for the first 2 weeks, but saw The Batman last week and stayed awake for the whole 3 hours.
Thanks mate, I'm recovered now for the most part, but I really wanted to get to making this video and get my dream amps installed! Appreciate the support.
middle Atlantic has great resources on racking things in accordance with optimal airflow and such... what stuff should be touching and what shouldn't etc... excellent resources to check out
Congrats! Been following long before you upgraded and know the feeling of reaching a milestone like this. I’ve been upgrading my HT for 3 years now and waiting on extremely high powered amps for my ULFE subs. I upgraded to an Altitude32 back in 2019 and had it calibrated in September of that year by Walter Forttmeuller. Raising the ceiling to 12 feet high here before the summer kicks in here in USA then will be getting the final trio of sub amps upgrades.
Nice one, Tony. Enjoyed the more “candid” video style. Also, I totally understand why you mentioned the amps and whether people would tell you it’s overkill. However, the great thing is, it’s your room, your money, your enjoyment. Go with what makes you happy, my friend. 🤩🤩🤩
Thanks Dan, so true - but people like to offer those opinions haha!! It's all part of the journey to a Trinnov one day - it took a couple of years to save for the amps so I expect a little longer for the Trinnov but one day I'll make it happen :) The next video may interest you as I'm finally finished setting up the rack, so now comes the cabling!!
I feel for you man, it is hard to put out polished videos once a week and work full time. I have been thinking about doing the exact same thing, and change the format of some of my videos. I think it's more about good content vs good clean production value, obviously it's always nicer to have both, but content is the key IMO. Congrats on the amps buddy, I know this has been a long time in the making. I have a feeling you will fulfill the dream of a Trinnov ;) cheers buddy.
Thanks brother - and yes, it's not easy, and I put a lot of pressure on myself so I thought I would just record myself rather than script and do copious amounts of b-roll - the plus side is I will get better at talking to the camera freestyle if I keep trying! I don't think the actually quality sufferred too much, it's still my same camera gear, just maybe have to fine tune the audio a little.
Thanks for the feedback - and yes, I still have my regular "polished" format videos but I'd love to be able to get out 1-2 videos a week which isn't possible to do otherwise.
Glad you're doing better, man. Lifting heavy amps is the last thing a fatigued person should be doing. That said, I think a Trinnov is end game for a lot of us. One day! 😄
Thanks mate, I am replying as I just finished racking the third amp sitting hear sweating up a storm haha! And yes, Trinnov will happen one day - amazing bit of tech! Funnily enough my other option over these amps was Parasound which I think you have from memory.
Absolutely. I ended up with a local Australian product which are my dream amps I was determined to save up for them. Took almost 2 years but now they are in. And yep they weigh 25kgs each so not too bad but still quite hefty.
Awesome mate! Living the dream hey. I bet that sounds so good. I had my Anthem/Elecktra/krix setup properly calibrated by Scott from Digital Picture up at the Gold Coast and was such a difference! He got the volcanix bass to sound so much faster and crisp. It's hard to explain but before I was getting all the boom boom but missing out in alot of the normal bass in a movie. Well worth the money for a professional calibration for sure. Keep the awesome videos up mate 👍
Ty :) I’ve been learning the Trinnov interface. Ive played with Arc Genesis quite a bit and Audessey but Trinnov is another world I will say. Sound like Me Sauer has your room singing!!
@@BuildMontage I bet you the new interface is abit full on but exciting at the same time. Yes he does have it singing that's for sure. Very happy indeed. Just need some awesome new movies to come out now hahaha. 😊
I'd wager the upgrade isn't from adding amps but the ability to turn off the amps in the AVR so the DACs don't have as much noise. Got to set the pre-amp mode to the right setting though to get the amplifiers to disconect.
You got it!! That's the whole point of it and why I bought the Denon 8500 back when I did because I knew one day I'd have the amps and could turn of the internal amps in the Denon - which actually tests very well. These amps are very low distortion and powerful as well so even though my mains don't need it, it's the next step in improving the experience :)
Not directly on-topic but I have always wished the AVR manufacturers would come up with a way for the user to use the amps in the AVR and bypass the processor (as opposed to the traditional way of putting the AVR into ‘pre-amp’ mode thus using external amplification to power the in-board processor…..in other words, the opposite of what everyone is always talking about). My Denon 8500 has plenty of power, I just wish one day I could purchase and use a separate processor (maybe one with DIRAC) with say 18 channels. That way all I would need to do is add a 5 channel separate amp (the Denon 8500 can power 13 channels at the same time)instead of having to buy enough separate amps to power all 18 channels delivered by the stand-alone processor
Yes I maybe should have explained it but a Trinnov is an advanced (and very expensive!) av processor. So it doesn’t have any amps built in like a receiver so you need to have external amps like the ones I show in this video.
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I enjoy your videos, particularly your positive, upbeat presentation: your enthusiasm for HT shines through, and it’s infectious. I’ve been on this journey some 30 years, and I’ve done the receiver/separate amp thing also, didn’t notice a difference, but amps can be keepers, and I share your goal of one day owning a Trinnov. Hope you stay well and keep making videos brother!
Thanks Mark, appreciate the kind words - and I'm hoping I do notice a difference in clarity with the 8500 going into pre-amp only mode but even If I don't the amps are always part of the plan!
Can’t wait for part 2 !
I hope you get well soon !
Greetings from Austria 🇦🇹
Looking forward to part 2! Thanks for sharing your new ’Toys' Tony, and hope you recover soon 👍
Thanks very much for watching :)
I enjoyed this style of video mate, well done!
Looking forward to part 2 to see your new setup!
Thanks Jase! It's almost finished filming :)
Great video. Glad all is good and step up the theater
Just remember Air out means Air in. When we turn on things like a bathroom vent, kitchen hood, whole house fan, or the ventilation your installing. All of these fans push air outside but that means the house will infiltrate that air right back in from outside via cracks, light sockets, plug outlets, doors and windows, etc. I live in Northern California were this used to really only matter during allergy season but now with the constant forest fires the outside air is so bad that rarely is this kind of venting used anymore. The best thing to use here is a single zone ductless mini split......Nice set up you got going on there.
Interesting. My main goal is to extract the hot air while bringing in cool air from the AC.
@@BuildMontage Lets say that all 3 of those fans extract 300cfm from your room. Probably 100cfm will just infiltrate right back in via electrical holes, speaker wire holes, etc. The other 200cfm will come from under the door from a room that is air-conditioned. BUT, the rest of your house were that 200cfm is coming from goes into a vacuum and it will infiltrate that 200cfm from outside as well.....It will likely work. But you want to truly understand what is happening because that 300cfm that infiltrates into your home is UNFILITERED. Meaning your bringing lots of dust into your theater room, and your home.....For example, open your bedroom window and put a fan in it blowing to outside. with your bedroom door shut put you hand/foot on the bottom were the door has a crack and you will feel all the air rushing in. WHich is what you are trying to accomplish. But then go out into the house somewhere and open a window just a crack and you'll feel all the make up air that is trying to get into the home. You see air takes the path of least resistance, so if a window is opened it will take that path, if you close it it just finds another path. Infiltration/exfiltration.....If your theater room was air tight the fan wouldn't even move air, they would just spin......Just always remember, whatever air is extracted from the house has to be made up. Some high-end performance houses use HRV/ERV systems that filter that incoming air......You can turn a fan on in a room and push air around and that does nothing. Its only when you push/suck air to outside that this issue is amplified.
Great to see you back. I had the Rona a few weeks ago. The fatigue lasted for 3 weeks after that. Exciting update - the amp rack looks neat.
Sounds like you were affected like I was - the rona was very mild for me but the aftermath was super fatigue!
@@BuildMontage Yep. I even fell asleep a couple of times at work. Couldn't make it through a movie for the first 2 weeks, but saw The Batman last week and stayed awake for the whole 3 hours.
Can’t wait for part 2, enjoyed the new style of video!
Thanks as always for your support mate :) I cannot wait to get these in!
It's all about the journey isn't it.....
Nice amps!
Totally! And my channel has deviated a lot from just showing my journey so felt it time to give it some love. Thanks for watching
Take care if yourself Tony. Sorry to hear you are fatigued. Thanks for the video.
Thanks mate, I'm recovered now for the most part, but I really wanted to get to making this video and get my dream amps installed! Appreciate the support.
Sorry to hear you had the virus i hope you are getting better. The power amps looks great and what heard they sound amazing. now waiting for part 2 .
Thanks Gary, part two I will be filming on the weekend!
@@BuildMontage Thats great
middle Atlantic has great resources on racking things in accordance with optimal airflow and such... what stuff should be touching and what shouldn't etc... excellent resources to check out
Congrats! Been following long before you upgraded and know the feeling of reaching a milestone like this.
I’ve been upgrading my HT for 3 years now and waiting on extremely high powered amps for my ULFE subs.
I upgraded to an Altitude32 back in 2019 and had it calibrated in September of that year by Walter Forttmeuller.
Raising the ceiling to 12 feet high here before the summer kicks in here in USA then will be getting the final trio of sub amps upgrades.
Wow sounds like a great setup. High ceilings are great. I have 10’ in my room so you get nice channel separation. Thanks for watching :)
Nice one, Tony. Enjoyed the more “candid” video style.
Also, I totally understand why you mentioned the amps and whether people would tell you it’s overkill. However, the great thing is, it’s your room, your money, your enjoyment. Go with what makes you happy, my friend. 🤩🤩🤩
Thanks Dan, so true - but people like to offer those opinions haha!! It's all part of the journey to a Trinnov one day - it took a couple of years to save for the amps so I expect a little longer for the Trinnov but one day I'll make it happen :) The next video may interest you as I'm finally finished setting up the rack, so now comes the cabling!!
@@BuildMontage yes!! Racks and cabling. You know me too well. 🤩🤩🤩
Dig the raw vibe of this video in addition to the lazy Susan to rotate the equipment 🤘🏻🍻
Thanks for watching! It did mean I was able to shoot, edit and publish in a single day which is different from the 40-50 hours it usually takes me...
Fun video, mate! This is a nice teaser for what is next. Quality of video is still awesome even with it not being your standard format
Thanks brother appreciate it :)
I feel for you man, it is hard to put out polished videos once a week and work full time. I have been thinking about doing the exact same thing, and change the format of some of my videos. I think it's more about good content vs good clean production value, obviously it's always nicer to have both, but content is the key IMO. Congrats on the amps buddy, I know this has been a long time in the making. I have a feeling you will fulfill the dream of a Trinnov ;) cheers buddy.
Thanks brother - and yes, it's not easy, and I put a lot of pressure on myself so I thought I would just record myself rather than script and do copious amounts of b-roll - the plus side is I will get better at talking to the camera freestyle if I keep trying! I don't think the actually quality sufferred too much, it's still my same camera gear, just maybe have to fine tune the audio a little.
@@BuildMontage Oh yeah, the quality is still there, because you have great camera gear.
Welcome back
Formats fine for what it is. Still enjoy your other videos proper. Maybe a mix of both would be good to increase output.
Thanks for the feedback - and yes, I still have my regular "polished" format videos but I'd love to be able to get out 1-2 videos a week which isn't possible to do otherwise.
Glad you're doing better, man. Lifting heavy amps is the last thing a fatigued person should be doing. That said, I think a Trinnov is end game for a lot of us. One day! 😄
Thanks mate, I am replying as I just finished racking the third amp sitting hear sweating up a storm haha! And yes, Trinnov will happen one day - amazing bit of tech! Funnily enough my other option over these amps was Parasound which I think you have from memory.
@@BuildMontage haha who needs weights when you have amps right? Yea, I have the A51 and love it. It’s a beast!
Absolutely. I ended up with a local Australian product which are my dream amps I was determined to save up for them. Took almost 2 years but now they are in. And yep they weigh 25kgs each so not too bad but still quite hefty.
Awesome mate! Living the dream hey. I bet that sounds so good. I had my Anthem/Elecktra/krix setup properly calibrated by Scott from Digital Picture up at the Gold Coast and was such a difference! He got the volcanix bass to sound so much faster and crisp. It's hard to explain but before I was getting all the boom boom but missing out in alot of the normal bass in a movie. Well worth the money for a professional calibration for sure. Keep the awesome videos up mate 👍
Ty :) I’ve been learning the Trinnov interface. Ive played with Arc Genesis quite a bit and Audessey but Trinnov is another world I will say. Sound like Me Sauer has your room singing!!
@@BuildMontage I bet you the new interface is abit full on but exciting at the same time. Yes he does have it singing that's for sure. Very happy indeed. Just need some awesome new movies to come out now hahaha. 😊
I'd wager the upgrade isn't from adding amps but the ability to turn off the amps in the AVR so the DACs don't have as much noise. Got to set the pre-amp mode to the right setting though to get the amplifiers to disconect.
You got it!! That's the whole point of it and why I bought the Denon 8500 back when I did because I knew one day I'd have the amps and could turn of the internal amps in the Denon - which actually tests very well. These amps are very low distortion and powerful as well so even though my mains don't need it, it's the next step in improving the experience :)
Tony you look tired man. Take extra rest to recover fast, and enjoy your new equipment.
Thanks mate, I feel like I do need a little more rest.. but I can't help myself!
Terrific content, guy !!! Subscribed to your channel and I've been digging it a lot !!! My best regards from BRAZIL !!! 😊😊
Awesome, thank you!
Not directly on-topic but I have always wished the AVR manufacturers would come up with a way for the user to use the amps in the AVR and bypass the processor (as opposed to the traditional way of putting the AVR into ‘pre-amp’ mode thus using external amplification to power the in-board processor…..in other words, the opposite of what everyone is always talking about).
My Denon 8500 has plenty of power, I just wish one day I could purchase and use a separate processor (maybe one with DIRAC) with say 18 channels. That way all I would need to do is add a 5 channel separate amp (the Denon 8500 can power 13 channels at the same time)instead of having to buy enough separate amps to power all 18 channels delivered by the stand-alone processor
Very interesting idea - I've often wondered that as well.
Hi Tony great set up mate. Have you tried MultEQ-x yet for the Denon avr?
Thanks mate - I have it installed but will be having a deep dive now that I'm getting the amps in.
Super newb here. I can’t make out what you are saying when you reference having a trinob one day.. not sure what it is?
Yes I maybe should have explained it but a Trinnov is an advanced (and very expensive!) av processor. So it doesn’t have any amps built in like a receiver so you need to have external amps like the ones I show in this video.
Great video thanks
Thanks for watching :)
Get well from covid soon! Eat healthy and plenty exercise even if it's just walks.
Thank you - yes I'm back at the gym again - it was hard because I was so tired but the energy levels are back again finallY!
Tell me more about Kris, have never actually heard of them. Shame on me
Take a look at my channel page I have HEAPS of Krix videos - my room tour will show you my MX-10 wall of sound.
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About time!!
Dammit...as soon as this notification came up i clicked it but still third 😅
@@martinbailey3408 I got lucky. I was walking out the door for work and saw it :)
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