Huge Cheating Scandal is Finally Over

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  • @ronaldomaldonado1582
    @ronaldomaldonado1582 9 місяців тому +12682

    Glad they finally pulled the plug on this whole scandal

    • @npc2153
      @npc2153 9 місяців тому +432

      Hans butt got saved

    • @legendarien1075
      @legendarien1075 9 місяців тому +467

      I'm happy for him. All of that negative press must've been a pain in the ass

    • @kokowoch
      @kokowoch 9 місяців тому +387

      finally loosened up this tight situation

    • @uniquegod1997
      @uniquegod1997 9 місяців тому +76

      i had to giggle u made me make my feet kick up air in love you i hi

    • @bewdeyeswhitedragon
      @bewdeyeswhitedragon 9 місяців тому +78

      He was satisfied as a whole.

  • @ItsAZues
    @ItsAZues 9 місяців тому +7331

    This scandal is almost a year old!? Wow, time really flies.

    • @gmunny46
      @gmunny46 9 місяців тому +133

      ​@@RomanisRandomstop existing tho

    • @timbertinkers9501
      @timbertinkers9501 9 місяців тому +79

      ​@@RomanisRandomthank you for stopping my heart hoping this is true

    • @WeAreTheQs
      @WeAreTheQs 9 місяців тому +13

      You must be over 25, I feel this

    • @LumiNyx_x
      @LumiNyx_x 9 місяців тому +10

      ​@@RomanisRandomI want to die so

    • @xavierwashington5408
      @xavierwashington5408 9 місяців тому +13

      No fr, I was like wtf 11 months??

  • @myroncoetzee5228
    @myroncoetzee5228 9 місяців тому +697

    I feel sorry for Hans, must of been a pain in the ass getting through all this

    • @joseandkris
      @joseandkris 9 місяців тому +10

      Lol, nice one :D

    • @Goz969
      @Goz969 9 місяців тому

      Unironically bigger than butt plug pain.

    • @themug406
      @themug406 8 місяців тому +2

      must have

  • @sethayun7191
    @sethayun7191 9 місяців тому +556

    Many people were actually misinformed about the vibrator thing and I had people walking up to me saying “did you hear about that guy that cheated with the butt plug??” 😂😂

    • @lounirs
      @lounirs 9 місяців тому +42

      Some channels presented things as if it was a sure thing, I had no idea it was all an allegation. It's really twisted

    • @jfr1995
      @jfr1995 9 місяців тому +8

      It was even less of a sure thing than that lol. A content creator came up with it as a joke.@@lounirs

    • @lukew6725
      @lukew6725 9 місяців тому

      Yeah, because you had unethical morons making claims as if they were facts.

    • @Vitorruy1
      @Vitorruy1 8 місяців тому +3

      ​@@jfr1995 It's crazy how someone can make up something as an obvious meme and get it repeated as fact by content hungry hienas

    • @jfr1995
      @jfr1995 8 місяців тому

      @@Vitorruy1 yep completely agree

  • @AdamIsUrqed
    @AdamIsUrqed 9 місяців тому +4070

    This whole debacle teaches a valuable lesson: anytime you are defeated in life, accuse the victor of cheating then plant a remote buttplug in their car.

    • @markalanajon3295
      @markalanajon3295 9 місяців тому +98

      Words to live by

    • @inquisitorofthegodemperor8434
      @inquisitorofthegodemperor8434 9 місяців тому +59

      True Machiavellianism at work

    • @nabongobong9155
      @nabongobong9155 9 місяців тому +31

      What a magnusficent life lesson

    • @MrSqurk
      @MrSqurk 9 місяців тому

      It’s weird that this isn’t the only buttplug cheating story I have heard.

    • @monsesh1316
      @monsesh1316 9 місяців тому

      There's actual irrefutable evidence that he was cheating. Source: my arse

  • @dohpam1ne
    @dohpam1ne 9 місяців тому +4777

    One of the big takeaways from this resolution is that Magnus Carlsen has agreed to compete against Hans Neimann in future in-person tournaments. At the start of this whole scandal, Magnus said he wouldn't play in any tournaments that Hans played in, which would basically instakill Hans's career, since every major chess tournament will invite Magnus over Hans if they're forced to pick one.

    • @rance2799
      @rance2799 9 місяців тому +336

      I'm pretty sure his career is still in ruins as people will always associate him with the allegation.

    • @Lockdown335
      @Lockdown335 9 місяців тому +117

      @@rance2799 The prior allegations dont help him

    • @bobchipman4473
      @bobchipman4473 9 місяців тому +682

      I have lost alot of respect for Magnus over this. He (effectively) accused Neiman of cheating without any evidence and seriously messed up that guy's career over being salty.

    • @allyrose6437
      @allyrose6437 9 місяців тому +353

      ​@@bobchipman4473yeah felt like his ego was hurt when he lost so called cheats.

    • @Villosa64
      @Villosa64 9 місяців тому

      @@rance2799 he's forever known as the buttplug grandmaster

  • @trumpeterjen
    @trumpeterjen 9 місяців тому +1625

    Whether Hans cheated or not, its says a lot that one other player--Magnus Carlsen, in this case--can cause such an impact this way. He practically tanked Hans' career with one allegation. Hopefully this kind of thing won't become the norm.

    • @ShatteredP
      @ShatteredP 9 місяців тому +132

      Magnus carlsen is the world champ(for multiple years)while hans has been caught multiple times cheating in online games

    • @ISmellMopWho
      @ISmellMopWho 9 місяців тому +238

      @@ShatteredPCarlsen didn't accuse him of cheating online though, he WRONGFULLY accused him of cheating in the live game that he lost to Hans because he has a fragile ego. Yes this probably wouldn't have happened had Hans never cheated in online games, but it also wouldn't have happened if Carlsen was mature enough to realize that he's not invincible and can lose from time to time, which clearly he isn't.

    • @jaketerpening3284
      @jaketerpening3284 9 місяців тому +90

      @@ISmellMopWho Well it was kind of sus when Hans explanation for how he prepped for the game was based on events that didn't happen. I wouldn't say that Carlsen's only grounds was that he lost. He has lost other times and not called foul play.

    • @meciocio
      @meciocio 9 місяців тому +37

      ​@@jaketerpening3284as this guy said Magnus was aware of Hans cheating online in his younger years that's why he decided to make that allegation based on his ego. To this day, there's no evidence that Hans cheated in that game nor that he ever cheated in over the board tournaments. Which would be very difficult to pull off than in online games.

    • @Lanoixsette
      @Lanoixsette 9 місяців тому +3

      @@jaketerpening3284 i honestly think that he didnt prep at all and went in raw yfm? and just had to fib prepping bc he didnt want to SOUND like a cheater yk?

  • @lexslate2476
    @lexslate2476 9 місяців тому +114

    Let's be real, the internet would take any excuse to explore the intersection between chess cheating and teledildonics.

    • @JosephSmith-jr8zj
      @JosephSmith-jr8zj 9 місяців тому +4

      Underrated comment

    • @lexslate2476
      @lexslate2476 9 місяців тому +9

      @@JosephSmith-jr8zj Thank you. Also, I will take any excuse to use words that amuse me. Like 'teledildonics', or 'disestablishmentarianism'.

    • @alexdasliebe5391
      @alexdasliebe5391 7 місяців тому

      Wireless teledildonics are way better than the olde-timey days of wired teledildonophony , ​@@lexslate2476

    • @marioe.
      @marioe. 20 днів тому +1

      @@lexslate2476 i still cant believe that teledildonics and cyberdildonics are real words

    • @lexslate2476
      @lexslate2476 20 днів тому +2

      @@marioe. The English language is a train wreck intersecting a car crash and a tire fire, but it does get us some fun words occasionally.

  • @Joe_Schmoe603
    @Joe_Schmoe603 9 місяців тому +3795

    Crazy how it took this long for this to finally wrap up.

    • @quartdude
      @quartdude 9 місяців тому +2

      NO WAY, I JUST MET CHARLIE ON MY UA-cam! 100% REAL! (OMG HE JUST CAME TO MY HOUSE AT 3 AM!)😱💯

    • @p-__
      @p-__ 9 місяців тому +6

      My farts are better than Charlie’s farts 💨

    • @evie9075
      @evie9075 9 місяців тому +83

      the bots🤦‍♀️

    • @the_ejumper_0804
      @the_ejumper_0804 9 місяців тому +16

      Bro the video came out 2 minutes ago

    • @klonoafan2012
      @klonoafan2012 9 місяців тому +40

      God these bots are so annoying and youtube is doing jack to stop it

  • @terrycraft6500
    @terrycraft6500 9 місяців тому +2316

    I think the most impressive part about the scandal is that Always Sunny was able to put out an episode on this so god damn fast.

    • @paddyhassett3577
      @paddyhassett3577 9 місяців тому +106

      Totally agree, for me that episode is my personal favourite (from the new season)

    • @joenoodle6914
      @joenoodle6914 9 місяців тому +32

      @@CrewmateComplexClan good for you :)

    • @p6v665
      @p6v665 9 місяців тому

      thats what happens when youre a nazi

    • @p6v665
      @p6v665 9 місяців тому +15

      they call it blitzkrieg

    • @FeedingKittens
      @FeedingKittens 9 місяців тому +32

      @@joenoodle6914 you're talking to a bot

  • @proarch9659
    @proarch9659 9 місяців тому +63

    "Once a cheater, always a cheater." has always rubbed me the wrong way.
    That's basically implying that the person can't ever grow and change as a person and will always make the same mistakes forever.

    • @HighViscosity
      @HighViscosity 10 днів тому +2

      Second chances, most often, are best reserved for mistakes. Cheating isn't that. It's an intentional and damaging breach of someone's trust. Strangely, for as common as it is, I've never heard a 'good' reason to cheat that I could understand. It usually boils down to one partner feeling they're lacking something like affection.
      You know what your recourse is, then? You break up. That's it. If you can't do that, then you are simply a coward. Only the worst of us can find rationale behind cheating, and if they can once, it's not outrageous to imagine they would again. That's not the same as saying they can't change, but you shouldn't expect anyone to have to throw in behind someone who's already shown they can be duplicitous. Some things in this world are unforgivable. If you break someone's trust, their defenses go up.
      If you want to be a better person, you shouldn't need a chorus telling you to do so. If you can't grow otherwise, you probably weren't capable of growth in the first place.

  • @somegalulbad642
    @somegalulbad642 9 місяців тому +13

    >best player in the world
    >starts to lose one time
    >get mad and accuse guy of cheating

    • @suggondees4882
      @suggondees4882 23 дні тому +1

      Magnus doesn't accuse people ever. He gets beat from time to time and his responses always were positive and complimenting the opponent. Even way before this hans thing. It's just that hans has a very skeptical record with him being having a 100% accuracy in a couple games back to back i forgot how it was exactly but it was I think way better than magnus but idk

    • @somegalulbad642
      @somegalulbad642 22 дні тому

      @@suggondees4882 blud is willing to destroy a person's career just cause he lost

  • @ryanreviews8566
    @ryanreviews8566 9 місяців тому +4064

    the rep damage magnus did to this guy is irredeemable 😂 but having a history of cheating just made it too easy lol

    • @jaxsazerac4904
      @jaxsazerac4904 9 місяців тому

      Yeah he should sue Magnus. Dude took a loss so bad that he claimed his opponent had a vibrator in his ass. 🤦

    • @ex.O
      @ex.O 9 місяців тому +112

      well hans had a reputation not that old before hand and not a reasonable carer to hold his new title, also not guilty isn't the same as innocent although in business nothing really matters I guess.

    • @bobchipman4473
      @bobchipman4473 9 місяців тому +541

      ​@ex.O still, he made these allegations without any evidence at all which was extremely reckless and practically defamatory.

    • @Lockdown335
      @Lockdown335 9 місяців тому +17

      The prior allegations dont help him

    • @LampHatScott
      @LampHatScott 9 місяців тому +135

      Some people don't realize that anyone can be beaten. Even the greatest people at their craft can be bested by someone else.

  • @darrentheshagmastertill
    @darrentheshagmastertill 9 місяців тому +623

    Hans Neimann is going to create vibrations across the Chess World with his return

    • @ChrisShafferOfficial
      @ChrisShafferOfficial 9 місяців тому

      I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂.

    • @TheElbowMerchant
      @TheElbowMerchant 9 місяців тому +1

      The Shagmaster is also a chess aficionado? Truly a gentleman and a scholar.

    • @crypticchris8812
      @crypticchris8812 9 місяців тому +18

      @@ChrisShafferOfficialbots are wild

    • @IR-Fan
      @IR-Fan 9 місяців тому +9

      I actually misread "return" with "rectum"

    • @jjthe
      @jjthe 9 місяців тому +1

      Unfortunately I don't think that his career will entirely recover

  • @ameribano8910
    @ameribano8910 9 місяців тому +432

    I’m glad it got all resolved and hope that Hans and Mangus have long great careers

    • @therainman7777
      @therainman7777 9 місяців тому +31

      Mangus 😂

    • @jebbush4godemperor285
      @jebbush4godemperor285 9 місяців тому +21

      I don’t I’m not super into chess but mangus having such a fragile ego to accuse someone of using a butt plug to cheat. I have no respect for the guy

    • @theberserker_of_falconia
      @theberserker_of_falconia 9 місяців тому

      ​@@jebbush4godemperor285Agreed he need to prove himself that mangus guy just a coward and a cheat.

    • @charlesreid9337
      @charlesreid9337 9 місяців тому

      @@jebbush4godemperor285 he isnt the one who came up w the buttplug bullshit the "chess media" ran w that onr

    • @natsugineo6695
      @natsugineo6695 9 місяців тому +26

      ​@@jebbush4godemperor285
      Literally nothing from your statement is true. Magnus didn't accuse Hans of cheating, only refused to play against Hans in the future (which he probably suspect Hans for cheating but the whole cheating accusation and butt plug thing was from the internet). There's a lot of things that point toward Hans cheated. On the other hand, the only thing protecting Hans is that there is no DEFINITE proof.

  • @angrykagg421
    @angrykagg421 9 місяців тому +118

    So a friend told me about all this a couple months back and it is wild. The biggest problem with this guy was his reputation for cheating he did while playing chess online and the inconsistency he showed during certain matches. The later part could be over looked as simply being human, but his history of cheating online couldn’t. The butt plug thing is hilarious, but we will never know. Honestly the good take away is that people make mistakes and are more than those mistakes.

    • @swe872
      @swe872 9 місяців тому +4

      the actual theory was he payed a magnus team member to get his prep, and prepared against it with a bot, which isnt that weird and has probably happened a lot under scene

    • @ib1s137
      @ib1s137 9 місяців тому +3

      It was a combination of his inconsistency and absurd accuracy in some games, having consistently 95%+ accuracy in high depth chess engines. Which is higher than anyone ever in the world.

    • @orenalbertmeisel3127
      @orenalbertmeisel3127 8 місяців тому

      ​@@ib1s137those accuracy numbers are inaccurate and dare I say nonsensical.
      "Chessbase gives a 100% engine correlation score for a game where, for each move, at least one of the three engine analyses uploaded by Chessbase editors marked that move as the best move, no matter how many different engines were consulted. This method will give 100% to games where no singe engine would have given 100% accuracy to a player. There might not even be a single engine that would give a player over 10% accuracy!"

  • @remingtongagnard4442
    @remingtongagnard4442 9 місяців тому +2103

    The accusation of cheating coming from such a figure in the community is a big deal, massive reputational damage. Prior online cheating really makes the water muddy in Magnus/Hikaru's defense, but it's not proof

    • @Leo0718
      @Leo0718 9 місяців тому

      We are just now hearing a new rule coming from FIDE. No one who has ever been a child is going to be invited into tournaments anymore. Too many cheaters.

    • @iggywow
      @iggywow 9 місяців тому +12

      @@MamadNobari would be a legitimate reply if Mads Mikkelsens character had been a convicted online predator

    • @SweetAHE
      @SweetAHE 9 місяців тому +32

      "The only way to win a chess match is to not play at all, because it's a stupid game made for the elite. Like golf. Same concept." ~Me, 2023

    • @TheSuperappelflap
      @TheSuperappelflap 9 місяців тому

      right, so anyone can just cheat if they want to, because even if they get caught, they wont be banned from competing. and then they can just cheat again, and the evidence is "inconclusive" and its not fair to their career to ban them. even though it has been conclusively proven they did cheat in the past.
      it doesnt matter that thats unfair to the careers of everyone who doesnt cheat.
      you can either have a sport where you ban proven cheaters for life, with a few false positives, or you can have a sport where everyone is blatantly cheating and then straight up denies it. see: professional cycling.

    • @HilbertXVI
      @HilbertXVI 9 місяців тому +138

      ​@@SweetAHE Most smooth brained take in this whole comment section

  • @HeyThisIsBrian
    @HeyThisIsBrian 9 місяців тому +310

    "We damn near revived Oppenheimer to build a functioning chess bot butt plug" is not a sentence I thought I'd be hearing today.

  • @donfizzle22
    @donfizzle22 9 місяців тому +6

    Hans and Magnus are the most “I play chess for a living” names I’ve ever heard.

  • @runa_7022
    @runa_7022 9 місяців тому +26

    also i think what actually happened is there was a "mole" from magnus's side, giving hans the opportunity to study his opener when he hadnt used it yet, cheating is always a possibility as technology is always advancing, but i think its also equally possible he just had someone tell him what to study

    • @whatever1538
      @whatever1538 9 місяців тому +1

      Nah, the butt plug sounds more reasonable and realistic to me.

    • @LordZanas
      @LordZanas 9 місяців тому +1

      Isnt Chess a spectator sport? Is there anything preventing Hans from watching future opponents past matches to get an idea for their playstyle?

    • @swe872
      @swe872 9 місяців тому +8

      @@LordZanas Thats the problem, in this high level chess there isnt such thing as a playstyle; also the thing that made this weird was that magnus has such a fucking obscure prep something he has never played before so there was no way niemann could know even know an idea of what magnus had for opening/midgame; unless.... well what the other guy said, there was a mole on magnus team which is actually the cause since soon after that some members of his team were actually fired. Im actually disappointed critikal didnt even cared to read a bit about the drama and stayed with the info that twitter gave him.

  • @matsuri3423
    @matsuri3423 9 місяців тому +765

    The same thing happened in the Japanese chess scene, where one of the best player suspected an opponent of using AI in the middle of a game. However, no one could prove his cheating. Now, a lot of people are criticizing the player who started suspecting him, as his career is ruined, just like Hans.

    • @thegamerfe8751
      @thegamerfe8751 9 місяців тому +126

      Hey at least they actually held the accuser accountable unlike Magnus.

    • @fritzschnitzmueller3768
      @fritzschnitzmueller3768 9 місяців тому +22

      I mean Nieman admitted to cheating in other games so he isnt soo innocent in the end

    • @peaceweapon1933
      @peaceweapon1933 9 місяців тому +1

      Being a sheep must be a Japanese thing

    • @bendover7841
      @bendover7841 9 місяців тому +6

      ​@@thegamerfe8751Magnus is considered the GOAT. He brings a majority of viewers to the chess scene. He's untouchable.

    • @Leo0718
      @Leo0718 9 місяців тому +64

      @@fritzschnitzmueller3768 When he was 12 years old, online. People really act like this is a 80yo GM that cheated his way into a career. He cheated once when he was a stupid kid. Niemann is not even 20. It's not unreasonable to think that people grow and mature over time, specially during their teen years. The matter of the fact is that in chess no one is untouchable. Old GM will eventually be bested by younger players. It happens in every single sport. No human being is infallible.

  • @Nateylion
    @Nateylion 9 місяців тому +1063

    In the past year Hans had only lost 20 rating points despite only being able to challenge one player that had a higher rating than him. Having to only versus lower rated opponents for a whole year is essentially rating suicide and somehow he came away mostly unscathed. Gotta give him props.

    • @69nites
      @69nites 9 місяців тому +77

      41.
      He broke 2700 grinding people much lower rated than him as well.
      More importantly, his average accuracy since the scandal caused increased security has dropped in a significant way despite not facing the absolute top competition.
      I think it's more likely that he was playing far above his actual level for a short period than actually cheating, but he has returned to the level of play that is normal for him. Outside the top 50, not a super gm, but a very solid GM.

    • @cngotham4111
      @cngotham4111 9 місяців тому +36

      ​@@69nitesIm always gonna be sus if this situation. It's hard to find someone cheating on chess in real time after the fact. So it doesn't surprise if he was cheating that all evidence of it happen is gone

    • @hi1itsme
      @hi1itsme 9 місяців тому +17

      @@69nitesalso, everyone misses the fact he started to play accurate after the opponent made sub par moves. His punish game is probably just amazing.

    • @nic732
      @nic732 9 місяців тому +15

      @@69nites yes, surely the kid was playing 400 elo above his usual level while looking like he took too many mushrooms, he was jittery not paying attention to the board.. beating magnus like he is not even thinking about it lmfao

    • @windy8544
      @windy8544 9 місяців тому +31

      @@nic732 and forgot his moves immediately afterwards just like a normal honest player

  • @AChunkyDog
    @AChunkyDog 9 місяців тому +41

    Imagine ruining someone's life because you lost a board game.

    • @anonym6467
      @anonym6467 9 місяців тому +7

      A board game where a couple hundred of thousands of dollars are on the line. Also, he did cheat, at least in the past.

    • @AChunkyDog
      @AChunkyDog 9 місяців тому +10

      @@anonym6467
      So you're telling me he's a sore loser. Got it.

    • @FrenkieWest32
      @FrenkieWest32 8 місяців тому +4

      ruining someone's life? Okay dramaqueen.

    • @AChunkyDog
      @AChunkyDog 8 місяців тому +11

      @@FrenkieWest32
      Eeeeeeeyeah. Dude built up his reputation as a world class chess player, only to have his passion and career halted by a sore loser.
      Prove me wrong.

    • @FrenkieWest32
      @FrenkieWest32 8 місяців тому

      @@AChunkyDog cheated, lied about it, got caught, cheated again, lied about it again, got caught again, cheated again. Wow, what an amazing reputation he was fostering.

  • @ItsAGhostParty
    @ItsAGhostParty 9 місяців тому +25

    On the whole, I'm glad we can put this asinine situation behind us.

  • @Aritis
    @Aritis 9 місяців тому +643

    I honestly wish this never truly ended

    • @LuisSierra42
      @LuisSierra42 9 місяців тому +26

      This was the sequel we needed for The Queen's Gambit

    • @SUPERNOVA0360
      @SUPERNOVA0360 9 місяців тому

      @@LuisSierra42 So um, I uploaded a video of me burying my puppy’s dead body in a video called “Baby’s Burial…” and was wondering if you could leave him a comment.. 😟🥀

    • @p-__
      @p-__ 9 місяців тому +1

      My farts are better than Charlie’s farts!!

    • @JunkBondTrader
      @JunkBondTrader 9 місяців тому +3

      it didn't, truly end. The validity of that game is, and will always be questionable.

    • @willevensen7130
      @willevensen7130 9 місяців тому +1

      @@JunkBondTraderI think it’s pretty clear that he won that match with the findings now.

  • @watermelons79
    @watermelons79 9 місяців тому +297

    Personally, I still believe he had a mirror on the ceiling so he could cheat by seeing Magnus’ side of the board through the mirror. Now it hasn’t be confirmed, however, mirrors are easy to get, just think, how hard would it be for him to go to Walmart and tape one up before the match?

    • @leeboy26
      @leeboy26 9 місяців тому +81

      Thankyou. I've been telling people since this happened that with a ceiling mirror he could see if Magnus was bluffing with his pieces, perhaps even stashing a Queen or two up his sleeve.

    • @Friendlyneighborhoodgarbagebin
      @Friendlyneighborhoodgarbagebin 9 місяців тому +26

      You think they didn’t check for that shit?

    • @aoibheall55
      @aoibheall55 9 місяців тому +24

      ​@@Friendlyneighborhoodgarbagebin...

    • @skyrat1896
      @skyrat1896 9 місяців тому +32

      ​@@Friendlyneighborhoodgarbagebin you're a smart one.. arent you..

    • @Friendlyneighborhoodgarbagebin
      @Friendlyneighborhoodgarbagebin 9 місяців тому

      @@skyrat1896 since it is an easy option they would obviously look for one of those things first

  • @Alleeto
    @Alleeto 9 місяців тому +1

    Funny thing is that after that, professional chess players are going to be checked for instance of plug before each tournament.

  • @AZREDFERN
    @AZREDFERN 9 місяців тому +3

    Wouldn’t it be just as easy to hide a haptic engine in the heel of a shoe?

  • @shubashuba9209
    @shubashuba9209 9 місяців тому +796

    Either Hans Niemann used mission impossible level technology to cheat or Magnus Carlson and the entire chess community conspired to defame an innocent man. Both movie worthy.

    • @exal1504
      @exal1504 9 місяців тому +93

      There’s a chance that there was a mole in Magnus’ circle, the main point of speculation was Hans miraculously studied Magnus’ opening line (which Magnus had never opened with prior to the match) the morning of, as he stated in a post game interview. Perhaps Magnus did that to try and prove/flush out the collaboration

    • @princessaria
      @princessaria 9 місяців тому +84

      Those are not the only two options lol. It is equally possible that Magnus simply believed he cheated because of the circumstances (specifically him apparently preparing for an opening Magnus has never used in competition and having suspicions of a mole), and that everyone else looked at it and went “yeah, that’s valid.” Then it came out that Hans did cheat in online games, which added even more justification to those doubts of a legitimate win.
      I don’t think any of the parties actually involved in this situation thought he used cutting edge tech, they thought he simply knew the opening in advance, which makes it a lot easier to prepare for.

    • @wakannnai1
      @wakannnai1 9 місяців тому +78

      ​@@princessariaCheating online and cheating in a real game are two different things. It does not indicate real life behavior by any means. Many people would be comfortable cheating in an online video games with no real stakes (other than a ban) but would not do so in real life.
      There was no indication or evidence that Hans Niemann ever cheated in a real life tournament. This was always used as "evidence" to muddy the waters in order to support dubious claims of irl cheating by Magnus Carlsen. There was never any evidence of cheating as well. Magnus Carlsen should never had made unsubstantiated claims like this publicly and should have been bought up in private to the Tournament Organizers.
      Nothing claimed here by you is any indication of cheating. Hans Niemann getting lucky in his preparation is just that. Him getting lucky. The chess community did him dirty to suck up to Magnus. It's pretty disgusting if you think about it.

    • @lemonglataitor2123
      @lemonglataitor2123 9 місяців тому +3

      ​@@wakannnai1simp 1000

    • @saybrowt
      @saybrowt 9 місяців тому +36

      The thing is Niemann isn't "an innocent man". Niemann has cheated in the past and admitted to this. What he's admitted to is that it happened twice. All Carlsen *said* (don't get me wrong he implied a hell of a lot more) is that he thinks Niemann cheated more often and frequently than what Niemann has admitted to.

  • @T24LIFE2
    @T24LIFE2 9 місяців тому +735

    Imagine getting called a cheater for winning and almost losing your entire career

    • @cngotham4111
      @cngotham4111 9 місяців тому +85

      I mean if you look at how he played he's not on Magnus level,cheating past and then wins. I'd call bullshit to if I was Magnus it's still hella sus but it is what it is.

    • @dooflydetailguuy4349
      @dooflydetailguuy4349 9 місяців тому

      ​@@cngotham4111he saw Magnus was playing a lot of Catalan online when he wants to play offbeat openings so he said he studied Catalan just that morning. Seems fair too.

    • @ktxkunta
      @ktxkunta 9 місяців тому +262

      @@cngotham4111 lord for bid hans had a better game than usual or magnus just had a bad day, feels like the whole pro chess scene is very toxic.

    • @Priyanshu9056
      @Priyanshu9056 9 місяців тому +82

      ​@@ktxkuntaHe made things worse for himself, said that he prepared this specific line before the game, turns out that magnus has only played that line only once iirc, also that cheating history didn't help.

    • @nothingisitchingme5874
      @nothingisitchingme5874 9 місяців тому

      @@ktxkuntamagnus seems like a sour bum

  • @jakesstatefarm
    @jakesstatefarm 9 місяців тому +14

    Wouldn't be surprised at all if he got nothing but that public statement and being reinstated. It's incredibly difficult to win a defamation suit even when there is clear damages.

    • @ande5460
      @ande5460 9 місяців тому +1

      100% agree. This is really the best he could have hoped for.

    • @TheSuperappelflap
      @TheSuperappelflap 9 місяців тому +2

      you need to have a career in the first place to sue for damages. this is a kid who was already banned from playing online for cheating. he would probably get negative money from a lawsuit.

    • @charlesreid9337
      @charlesreid9337 9 місяців тому +4

      @@TheSuperappelflap do you flat out make shit up irl too or is it just on the internet. Nieman is in the top 100 chess players on the planet

    • @TheSuperappelflap
      @TheSuperappelflap 9 місяців тому

      @@charlesreid9337 and he also is a proven cheater. its not hard to get top 100 in a game by blatantly cheating online

    • @SleepyStreak
      @SleepyStreak 9 місяців тому +2

      ​@@TheSuperappelflapHes a popular chess player who was at most big events. He has since not been invited to any. Literally destroyed his career

  • @thicclegendfeep4050
    @thicclegendfeep4050 9 місяців тому +2

    Gee ain't it funny how time slips away. Didn't think the scandal was that old.

  • @benta2103
    @benta2103 9 місяців тому +26

    buttplug cheating scandal is a phrase I thought I would never hear in my life

  • @sageof6pandas233
    @sageof6pandas233 9 місяців тому +566

    Truly a story to shiver our butholes and tickle our cheeks

    • @ChrisShafferOfficial
      @ChrisShafferOfficial 9 місяців тому

      I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂... .

    • @ratkaslana
      @ratkaslana 9 місяців тому +3

      Bruh 😭🤣

    • @sutton9000
      @sutton9000 9 місяців тому +10

      Bro these replies need jesus

    • @BrotherMax6
      @BrotherMax6 9 місяців тому +13

      @@RomanisRandomguess I’m dying then. At least I’ll die knowing I didn’t subscribe to your channel.

    • @sageof6pandas233
      @sageof6pandas233 9 місяців тому

      @@sutton9000 pls help

  • @PairOfSocksGaming
    @PairOfSocksGaming 9 місяців тому +4

    i wouldve been shocked if they found something, this is exactly how it shouldve ended

  • @carson784
    @carson784 9 місяців тому +5

    A sharp game with a wild opening that ultimately ended in a draw

  • @Mandate_of_Heaven
    @Mandate_of_Heaven 9 місяців тому +130

    can’t believe that chess actually has scandals to speak of

    • @quartdude
      @quartdude 9 місяців тому +1

      NO WAY, I JUST MET CHARLIE ON MY UA-cam! 100% REAL! (OMG HE JUST CAME TO MY HOUSE AT 3 AM!)😱💯

    • @p-__
      @p-__ 9 місяців тому

      My farts are better than Charlie’s farts!!

    • @IonicHawk
      @IonicHawk 9 місяців тому +3

      Yeah, usually the chess speaks for itself 😂

    • @Sleary
      @Sleary 9 місяців тому +12

      The bots 💀

    • @ChrisShafferOfficial
      @ChrisShafferOfficial 9 місяців тому

      I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂.

  • @Joshua-gc4ps
    @Joshua-gc4ps 9 місяців тому +19

    No way, I’ve been thinking about this for the past months so glad you updated us.

    • @quartdude
      @quartdude 9 місяців тому

      NO WAY, I JUST MET CHARLIE ON MY UA-cam! 100% REAL! (OMG HE JUST CAME TO MY HOUSE AT 3 AM!)😱💯

    • @p-__
      @p-__ 9 місяців тому

      My farts are better than Charlie’s farts 💨

  • @lv.99mastermind45
    @lv.99mastermind45 9 місяців тому +1

    "Put our differences behind us"
    After accusing him of having things in his behind

  • @chrise8275
    @chrise8275 9 місяців тому +2

    Who knew that such a quiet game could have such massive drama!!!

  • @Eorthstapa
    @Eorthstapa 9 місяців тому +350

    It's honestly not surprising how anal chess players can be, but this was a wild situation to begin with. It will be interesting to see what comes of it, or if people will keep making accusations to provide a pain in the rear for Hans.

    • @waycnf7229
      @waycnf7229 9 місяців тому +33

      hehehhee... anal...

    • @bruderschweigen6889
      @bruderschweigen6889 9 місяців тому +7

      Very clever

    • @victormanzella933
      @victormanzella933 9 місяців тому +3

      I'm confident hans will climb out of the hole he's in

    • @carpenoctem3257
      @carpenoctem3257 9 місяців тому

      Iduno man, chess news isn’t interesting to me. I don’t see what the buzz is about.

  • @ucd949
    @ucd949 9 місяців тому +43

    You know the whole situation is wild when Always Sunny makes an episode based on it.

    • @Vaultboythefightingmachine
      @Vaultboythefightingmachine 9 місяців тому +1

      That penguinz0 guy is a chomo punk

    • @arfhat89
      @arfhat89 9 місяців тому +1

      @@MamadNobariConsidering last season also had episodes referencing real life events, it was probably intentional. Another episode this season was the inflation episode

    • @elmok
      @elmok 9 місяців тому

      Wait, always sunny is still going on?

  • @MustangPrudence
    @MustangPrudence 9 місяців тому +2

    Also probably wouldn't have gotten to this point had Magnus not reacted in the manner he had.

  • @MilesTFBaxxter
    @MilesTFBaxxter 9 місяців тому +130

    It also doesn't help that Hans seems like a deliberate Shkreli-Musk type bad-boy stinker. With how he acts it's hard to feel much sympathy, and easy to believe he'd deliberately cheat.

    • @francoGomez111
      @francoGomez111 9 місяців тому +10

      Except he actually cheated before

  • @adamarnold3893
    @adamarnold3893 9 місяців тому +61

    This is one of the chess cheating scandal of all times

    • @p-__
      @p-__ 9 місяців тому +2

      My farts are better than Charlie’s farts 💨

    • @quartdude
      @quartdude 9 місяців тому +2

      NO WAY, I JUST MET CHARLIE ON MY UA-cam! 100% REAL! (OMG HE JUST CAME TO MY HOUSE AT 3 AM!)😱💯

    • @adamarnold3893
      @adamarnold3893 9 місяців тому

      @@p-__ nuh uh

    • @adamarnold3893
      @adamarnold3893 9 місяців тому +3

      @@quartdudedid you drink the moist potion at 3 am

    • @ashercd6487
      @ashercd6487 9 місяців тому

      5 bots 💀

  • @redlighting844
    @redlighting844 9 місяців тому +50

    I feel like if it was online, then yea they would have had grounds to believe he was cheating, but to seeing how the event was in person face to face and he has 0 past cheating scandals in person events, makes everyone who was against him have 0 actual evidence

    • @LuciferMoringstar999
      @LuciferMoringstar999 9 місяців тому +8

      What. So you think a guy with a history of cheating wouldn't cheat again. Just because he has no past of in person doesn't mean anything when you've shown you'll cheat where its easiest to do it with little to no repercussions.

    • @redlighting844
      @redlighting844 9 місяців тому +39

      @@LuciferMoringstar999 I never said he couldn't cheat, I'm saying there no way for someone to cheat IN PERSON, without it being obvious. Easily he can cheat online but that's not what the issue was about, it's about whether or not he cheated in person

    • @redlighting844
      @redlighting844 9 місяців тому +21

      @@LuciferMoringstar999 and as u said, he would cheat where it's easiest, so doesn't that mean he, legitimately, beat one of the best players in the world with his own skills then?

    • @LuciferMoringstar999
      @LuciferMoringstar999 9 місяців тому +1

      @@redlighting844 you said it would understandable to accuses of him cheating if it was online since he has a past of cheating online, but since its in person his past holds no weight, which is stupid, because even if its harder to cheat in person, if someone has shown to be a cheater when things aren't that serious or there isn't anything on the line, then they would mostly cheat when it is serious and something is on the line.

    • @redlighting844
      @redlighting844 9 місяців тому +12

      @@LuciferMoringstar999 some of his online cheating stuff had stuff on the line i.e money etc.but each event has different precautions set up to stop/ catch cheating and also y there's people who watches them to make sure they aren't just suspiciously looking around someone and somewhere compared to online. Which is y I said his cheating online shouldn't be a factor when theatter is an face to face match

  • @R3dCol0r
    @R3dCol0r 9 місяців тому +2

    Look at the end of the second paragraph which states: "...and they agree they should each be able to talk openly about their views."
    Key component if you ask me.

  • @crowswatching
    @crowswatching 9 місяців тому +1

    cheers mate great watch made my dinner 100% better

  • @sunnydaze905
    @sunnydaze905 9 місяців тому +11

    Magnus will never apologize and his fanboys would die before admitting wrong

  • @josephking132
    @josephking132 9 місяців тому

    I’ve been holding my breath waiting for this to be settled

  • @PuckADV
    @PuckADV 9 місяців тому +3

    The ending I thought we’d never see, this isn’t Hollywood people

  • @sharkgirl42069
    @sharkgirl42069 9 місяців тому +77

    this guy covers literally any topic and it's always great

    • @SnoppleWopple
      @SnoppleWopple 9 місяців тому +3

      Nuh uh

    • @riccardodellorto4267
      @riccardodellorto4267 9 місяців тому

      He is a chess GM, after all

    • @DWAC
      @DWAC 9 місяців тому

      ​@@riccardodellorto4267Charlie is? Like for real?

    • @Grizzy6122
      @Grizzy6122 9 місяців тому +2

      @@DWACduh, no other way he would’ve been able to beat xQc in six moves like that

  • @BigGuyJojo
    @BigGuyJojo 9 місяців тому +1

    The damage is already done I would've kept pushing the charges no matter how much money I'm offered they already fucked up

  • @Baconator96
    @Baconator96 9 місяців тому

    Genuinely did not expect this one to HAVE a conclusion

  • @thegreatynot5049
    @thegreatynot5049 9 місяців тому +205

    Imagine having your carreer almost ruined because your opponet was a sore loser. That's basically how I view this drama.

    • @VentingPoem
      @VentingPoem 9 місяців тому +65

      Makes sense tbh. Magnus was taught by Kasparov who did the exact same thing to topalovs career. I guess this sort of behavior gets passed down

    • @reginaldcampos5762
      @reginaldcampos5762 9 місяців тому +52

      Yes! Let's emphasize that Magnus lost in just a few moves by opening badly and QUITING almost immediately when Hans responded logically. He purposely stunted himself because he underestimated his opponent.

    • @norbico17
      @norbico17 9 місяців тому +30

      I love how yall are ignoring the fact that hans has cheated waay too many times beforehand, online or not, cheating in money tournaments is cheating.

    • @candynike897
      @candynike897 9 місяців тому +16

      ​@@norbico17Likeee, they're basically ignoring the facts that there was actual evidence of Hans cheating and even on the post-game interview, Hans couldn't even explain how he defeated Magnus.

    • @FoodIsCrack
      @FoodIsCrack 9 місяців тому +23

      ​@@candynike897nah you don't get it, sometimes you just accidentally are the best in the world at something. Einstein was famously unable to explain what e=mc^2 means once he'd come up with it

  • @hanaehanaess642
    @hanaehanaess642 9 місяців тому +5

    So imagine ur playing a game and they humiliated u by saying ur cheating but also cheating with a plug this extremely humiliating

  • @maximum6ride303
    @maximum6ride303 9 місяців тому

    Why am I just now hearing about this

  • @Chri710
    @Chri710 9 місяців тому

    It’s crazy that this happened miles away from me

  • @ssifr3331
    @ssifr3331 9 місяців тому +208

    "Innocent until proven guilty" It's crazy how people accused him without evidence and blow this up. Makes me glad I'm not part of any chess community.

    • @bjornnno
      @bjornnno 9 місяців тому +14

      HAHAHHAAHHAHA YOU THINK THAT ONLY HAPPENS IN CHESS my friend?

    • @saucywoo
      @saucywoo 9 місяців тому +53

      There may not have been hard evidence but there was good reason to believe it is not beyond Hans to cheat as he's done it multiples times before even in paid events which is expescially damning. I hate how people behave as though Magnus was making baseless accusations when Hans' explanation for his game vs him, regardless of if it was true or not, sounded too coincidental. He happened to practice the exact line that Magnus would play; even someone who doesn't have a great understanding of chess can sympathize with Magnus on how ridiculous that sounds.

    • @SleepyFen
      @SleepyFen 9 місяців тому +47

      It's a "boy who cried wolf" scenario. Hans cheated in the past, so people are going to believe he's cheating again. Ultimately people's lack of trust in him are simply the consequences of his own actions. In that regard, it doesn't matter whether he's innocent or not - people's distrust in his character are entirely justified.

    • @SylverScourge
      @SylverScourge 9 місяців тому +33

      ​​@@saucywoo to me it just sounded like he didn't wanna admit he got lucky.
      Yeah chess is mostly skill but you gotta have some luck in hoping your opponent will miss a good move

    • @ferretyluv
      @ferretyluv 9 місяців тому +11

      Innocent until proven guilty is for criminal cases, not civil.

  • @TonkyTronicus
    @TonkyTronicus 9 місяців тому +3

    "...the whole situation is behind him." You don't say, Charles.

  • @paolocompagni9952
    @paolocompagni9952 9 місяців тому

    i just love how the background progressively has evolved with the months

  • @robertacosta7586
    @robertacosta7586 9 місяців тому

    Magnes just could not expect he lost.

  • @pineapple7024
    @pineapple7024 9 місяців тому +6

    “Like the man with the yellow hat, my george was getting curious” was the most unhinged statement I’ve heard in a while

  • @skyxr2406
    @skyxr2406 9 місяців тому +396

    Charlie never fails to keep my family hostage

    • @quartdude
      @quartdude 9 місяців тому +2

      NO WAY, I JUST MET CHARLIE ON MY UA-cam! 100% REAL! (OMG HE JUST CAME TO MY HOUSE AT 3 AM!)😱💯

    • @p-__
      @p-__ 9 місяців тому +2

      My farts are better than Charlie’s farts!!

    • @oliviawulff
      @oliviawulff 9 місяців тому +3

      WHAT

    • @ChrisShafferOfficial
      @ChrisShafferOfficial 9 місяців тому

      I didn't ask, but I made a Hilarious video of a woman crying about her dog being put down because I make better content. 🤣😂.

    • @Zelurpio
      @Zelurpio 9 місяців тому +7

      only one other reply isnt a bot comment

  • @Sheen04
    @Sheen04 9 місяців тому +1

    I love how the only way I’m aware of this is because I watch It’s always sunny😭

  • @moonzdie6477
    @moonzdie6477 9 місяців тому

    how petty do you have to be to call out cheating in a real person to person game but cant name a single evidence

  • @Donnie_P
    @Donnie_P 9 місяців тому +3

    Those first 15 seconds are crazy 💀

  • @brendolbreadwar2671
    @brendolbreadwar2671 9 місяців тому +262

    I think Hans saw two choices in front of him. He could either go through a very long and hard court case that he doesn’t know the outcome of, or, he could get his career back with full support, and earn his way back to the top. I think it’s an easy choice for someone that has passion for what they do. He just wanted his life back, not some pay day where he quits forever.

    • @charlesreid9337
      @charlesreid9337 9 місяців тому +7

      Hans isnt the one who backed down

    • @heatheninferos2231
      @heatheninferos2231 9 місяців тому +19

      ⁠@@charlesreid9337They never said he did. He got what he wanted - a slate clear of the allegation. The $100,000,000 was probably just some kind of tactic to get there.

    • @brendolbreadwar2671
      @brendolbreadwar2671 9 місяців тому +9

      @@heatheninferos2231 yeah exactly. I’m sure he would of been fine with 100mil, but at the end of the day, anyone in his position would just want their old life back.

    • @suzannell24
      @suzannell24 9 місяців тому +1

      The case was dismissed by a judge

    • @charlesreid9337
      @charlesreid9337 9 місяців тому +9

      @@suzannell24 i posted a bigger comment earlier. But the judge dismissed two of the federal claims.. which should have been.. with prejudice. He dismissed the two State claims due to lack of jurisdiction which means simply that they were filed in the wrong court and should be refiled in the correct jurisdiction.
      The fact there was a settlement tells you there was in fact ongoing civil action. These two were NOT dismissed for lack of merit

  • @zenlopnajh
    @zenlopnajh 9 місяців тому +2

    Thats the problem with omnipotence and arrogance. Magnus can be beaten, and he couldnt handle that. Very sad.

  • @spoogie4438
    @spoogie4438 9 місяців тому +1

    Didn’t expect this drama to get the neutral ending…

  • @scorcher117
    @scorcher117 9 місяців тому +173

    Is them giving him payment as compensation for the settlement really a surprising thing? That seems like a very believable and no nonsense scenario.

    • @markelscott100
      @markelscott100 9 місяців тому +16

      Not what he means hes saying it must've been a crazy amount due to the way they jeopardized his career

    • @ande5460
      @ande5460 9 місяців тому +4

      ​@@markelscott100no way it was a crazy amount, if anything. Hans would have certainly lost the case if it went to trial.

    • @joseislanio8910
      @joseislanio8910 9 місяців тому

      ​@@ande5460it if went to trial, they'd have to prove he actually cheated, which would be near impossible

    • @kourii
      @kourii 9 місяців тому +3

      @@ande5460 that's a strong statement

    • @SweetAHE
      @SweetAHE 9 місяців тому

      THIS

  • @Amir24901
    @Amir24901 9 місяців тому +3

    So they ruined his career, then when they were losing they are like “calm down guys, we chillin”

  • @mitchmarq428
    @mitchmarq428 9 місяців тому +1

    Hans is going full villain mode and I am here for it

  • @ygfrt21
    @ygfrt21 9 місяців тому +1

    "The bad boy of the bongcloud" is a hard ass bar

  • @ScubaFanatic60
    @ScubaFanatic60 9 місяців тому +12

    Charlie, i absolutely love your videos because of your content and turn of phrase. Keep it up!

  • @chasemoore5256
    @chasemoore5256 9 місяців тому +134

    I don’t get how Magnus Carlsen doesn’t get any flack for what happened to Hans career, considering it seems like he just couldn’t accept losing, and had to make Hans out to be a cheater

    • @Hyzayn
      @Hyzayn 9 місяців тому +52

      Im shocked as well, no one seems to care, its insane

    • @UltimaKeyMaster
      @UltimaKeyMaster 9 місяців тому +12

      I'm convinced that had something to do with the settlement in some way. Magnus agrees to brush it under the rug and Hans gets paid out what he lost as a result. As long as Magnus isn't raising a stink anymore, Hans wins.

    • @Dovahkiin106
      @Dovahkiin106 9 місяців тому +20

      I think a big part is that Magnus has lost matches before. He’s not exactly undefeated, so it at the very least doesn’t seem likely that he’d just call someone he lost to a cheater out of pettiness.

    • @porky5567
      @porky5567 9 місяців тому +7

      yeah big true this -rep for me with magnus

    • @ast9052
      @ast9052 9 місяців тому +2

      Cause that mf is just too good at chess

  • @personalaccount9938
    @personalaccount9938 9 місяців тому +1

    I’ve heard so much talk about how he cheated but never heard anyone share any evidence that he actually did cheat.

  • @snipeybro
    @snipeybro 9 місяців тому

    The always sunny episode making sense to me

  • @cartilagehead6326
    @cartilagehead6326 9 місяців тому +158

    People initially balked at the $100 million in damages that Niemann was demanding, but it makes sense in the context of Carlsen's own net worth which is like over $50 million right now in his early 30s, and could probably double over the rest of his professional career just through investments and market returns, etc. The argument goes that since Niemann beat Carlsen in such a public and high profile match, he has a credible claim to having been denied a similar career trajectory. It will be interesting to see what happens to him now as a cleared professional player WRT his baggage but at the very least he'll make the game interesting for a while

    • @LTV746
      @LTV746 9 місяців тому +2

      They would have settled at least 10-20 mil

    • @theandice8152
      @theandice8152 9 місяців тому +20

      No, it's just a case of demanding way more than you know you'd be entitled to in the hopes of claiming at least some small percentage of it.

    • @kiazone94
      @kiazone94 9 місяців тому +9

      "What if's" like that don't go very far in court. Suing for damages generally needs to have something concrete-ish tied to it (lost wages, pain and suffering, medical expenses). The possibility of career trajectory that is impossible to predict is not damages.

    • @reginaldcampos5762
      @reginaldcampos5762 9 місяців тому +9

      ​@@theandice8152well, that's how you do legal battles. You go over the top and try to bring it down to a reasonable deal. Because you want to win without putting your fate in the hands of a judge who may or may not favor you.

    • @ODMXypher
      @ODMXypher 9 місяців тому +8

      Magnus Carlsen was already rank 1 in the world when he was 19 while Hans peaked at rank 31. They really aren't comparable as players.

  • @anxofmyown
    @anxofmyown 9 місяців тому +3

    I was in rehab when this all started. I work there now. Life is wild.

  • @catminecraftyas
    @catminecraftyas 9 місяців тому +1

    its a little egotistical to kind of assume that the person that beat you cheated

  • @mash2481
    @mash2481 9 місяців тому

    Bet he used the old, “look over there” nice.

  • @npc2153
    @npc2153 9 місяців тому +7

    When court cases are played perfectly they are a draw.
    ~ Hikaru probably

  • @dunno23
    @dunno23 9 місяців тому +32

    Moist you are wrong on one part. Only top 15-25 players (who are usually 2720+) get invited for closed tournaments. Hans rating is 2667, he was never part of top 20-25 players. In the tournament with the cheating scandal, Niemann was invited as last minute replacement for a player who couldn’t make the tournament.

    • @swe872
      @swe872 9 місяців тому +3

      Dont expect people outside of the community to understand a thing, why do you think this comment section is full of missinformation whose only interaction in chess is hikaru smashing 1500 elo rated players on blits, they never even mentioned the actual theorized cheating that was he payed a magnus team member to get his prep, and botted against it with, which isnt that weird and has probably happened a lot under scene

    • @XrayTheMyth23
      @XrayTheMyth23 9 місяців тому

      @@swe872I think this is more likely than the dildo thing although not as spicy

    • @themug406
      @themug406 8 місяців тому +1

      @@swe872 Calm down, its chess, not everyone cares like its actually important

  • @calebclayton2543
    @calebclayton2543 9 місяців тому

    i didnt know this was a thing until now i thought its always sunny made it up

  • @jaeliwal3600
    @jaeliwal3600 9 місяців тому

    I was literally just explaining this whole situation last night

  • @jawvey5363
    @jawvey5363 9 місяців тому +6

    this story was like the most random thought someone can have

  • @shampooer
    @shampooer 9 місяців тому +3

    i started watching charlie when this scandal broke, and seeing it come to a close is so perfect

  • @charmzon
    @charmzon 9 місяців тому

    That’s so weird I watched Charlie’s vid about this a few months back yesterday

  • @nullskey8370
    @nullskey8370 9 місяців тому

    thank u for the update

  • @that_dude7268
    @that_dude7268 9 місяців тому +10

    I'm just imagining he did actually use a buttplug to cheat and he's just sitting in his room thinking "bro how did they figure it out"

  • @MrMMAJER
    @MrMMAJER 9 місяців тому +3

    So at the end Magnus was just being salty

  • @treyouth2834
    @treyouth2834 9 місяців тому

    Appreciate the quick lore recaps lol

  • @DawnOfTheOzz
    @DawnOfTheOzz 9 місяців тому +1

    So I guess there is no Checkmate here unfortunately. Still, quite a wild ride to follow in a decade of wild rides.

  • @breadwithbutter7614
    @breadwithbutter7614 9 місяців тому +4

    It sounds like Magnus was just mad the he lost, really took a hit to his ego I guess lol.

  • @dylswerb7492
    @dylswerb7492 9 місяців тому +3

    I think you have been reading about Billy Mitchell a bit much, not everyone is as ruthless with their lawsuits

  • @georgewhite1630
    @georgewhite1630 9 місяців тому

    Leave it to the calculated to be cool and calculated in the end

  • @americasmostblunted1591
    @americasmostblunted1591 9 місяців тому

    they need another scandal. views are down

  • @Unused328
    @Unused328 9 місяців тому +5

    It’s been so long, but it’s finally over.

  • @BooTeaCheeks
    @BooTeaCheeks 9 місяців тому +414

    Just my opinion, I think Magnus was having a bit of a struggle the past year. There was more drama with him last year then just Hans, even to the point he had stopped playing chess in general for a few month's, allowing himself to be dethroned from the top spot (just temporarily). Hans has always been open and regretful about his online cheating. The two incidents when he was found to be cheating were when he was young. Like just finding hair in new places young. He's an adult now. He should be held accountable for what he did, but not chastised for where he's going.
    When you play chess at Magnus and Niemann's level, it truly can come down to luck or one wrong move. They are both 8 moves ahead and practiced different strategies for each game. Hans said he had just so happened to practice defending against the plays Magnus was making. If any cheating was involved, it was someone from Magnus team selling information, but truly I think it was just luck. The look on Niemann's face when he won was absolute shock.

    • @ZeroXSEED
      @ZeroXSEED 9 місяців тому +8

      Well deserved

    • @LTV746
      @LTV746 9 місяців тому +19

      The shock was the number of vibrations needed for a8 to h8

    • @seongjaeoh8742
      @seongjaeoh8742 9 місяців тому

      ​@@ZeroXSEEDuhh what exactly is well deserved

    • @EchoAwakens
      @EchoAwakens 9 місяців тому +11

      The reason why Hans saying that he had practised the moves that Magnus was using was because Magnus had only ever used them once before like 20 years ago. Hans said he was studying old Magus games, so the chance of him studying that specific game was abysmal, which just made him seem more suspicious

    • @chairjacker
      @chairjacker 9 місяців тому

      ​@@seongjaeoh8742Hans win against Magnus