Is This Offseason Going To Be As Depressing As It Sounds?

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  • @georgesouthwick7000
    @georgesouthwick7000 15 днів тому +5

    No reason to believe this off season is going to be any different from the last 10 or so. The same people are still in charge.

    • @KevinHuffman-m6h
      @KevinHuffman-m6h 10 днів тому

      Yes, there is. The owner said to expect payroll to drop.

  • @MikeRobey-ul8xv
    @MikeRobey-ul8xv 15 днів тому +10

    JD, you are good at your job but have the misfortune of covering a team that has lost its way and a lot of fan support. Hang in there. Hope it will get better in the future. Congratulations to Tommy Edman! Glad he had success this year. Another Cardinal mistake getting rid of him. He is a spark plug.

    • @fruckNbike
      @fruckNbike 15 днів тому +1

      Loved Tommy. So sad to see him go

    • @KevinHuffman-m6h
      @KevinHuffman-m6h 10 днів тому

      Sick of those thinking the Tommy Edman trade was a bad one. They got a No. 2 caliber SP out of the deal who's STILL signed for '25 on an arguably cheap $7.5M deal. Said pitcher had a 2.95 ERA over his final 7 starts for the Cards. I think they did just fine!!!

  • @billbayes3261
    @billbayes3261 15 днів тому +2

    If Bloom is making the final decisions, I believe it is going to be a very productive off-season.
    It will be interesting to see who goes and what the Cardinals get in return.
    I'm very happy for Tommy Edman!!!
    Thanks JD!

  • @billbaumhardt5188
    @billbaumhardt5188 15 днів тому +3

    Brother I feel the same way as you do in regards to Nolan Arenado. He's been my favorite player for a decade and then we finally pulled off and getting and they wasted his time here and probably going to ship him off which is very depressing. Oli Marmol needs to go and so does Mo before any players go.

  • @andrewhoffman1087
    @andrewhoffman1087 14 днів тому +1

    I've been a Thirdbaseman for 20 years now, and I'm still the starter for my softball team. While I've said many times that Pujols will always be my favorite player, Arenado is my favorite active player and has rapidly ascended my all-timers list. I, too, always admired Arenado when he was with the Rockies, and when we made that trade?! That felt like the first step of what I thought would become another two decades long run of excellence. Man, how wrong I was...
    I am crushed that we are likely going to watch Arenado go continue his HoF career with someone else...

  • @RebeccaStamer
    @RebeccaStamer 15 днів тому +1

    As an old Cardinal fan, I still firmly believe that new is good but needs guidance from the old. Reset not looking forward to as it means another year of going no where unless they do keep more than just pitching. I am and always will be a Goldy fan. Yes numbers are down but why not offer low with incentives for production and playing time. He can run and steal and with the right incentives I believe he can hit better than this past season.

  • @stephenconnell2689
    @stephenconnell2689 15 днів тому +2

    Congratulations to Tommy Edman and Jack Flaherty for being World Series Champions 🏆 I hope the DeWitts watched the playoffs to see how far ahead those teams are. I trade most of those guys for better than Robertson/Santos deals. I believe good pitching can save us during the rebuild. I trade Helsey for as much as I can get, but keep Gray and Fedde to go with Pallante and prospects like McGreevy. Then, with some of the money saved from Arenado, Contreras, Goldschmidt, Lynn, Gibson etc...to land a pitcher better than Gray to make formidable rotation. Then, Burleson/Baker at first, Gorman, Saggese, Donovan, Prieto at third. I keep asking how good at third was Walker and Gorman before being forced to other positions. Otherwise, it's more tutoring in right-field for Walker. It's crucial that Brown or someone fix both at the plate.

  • @kenbo1512
    @kenbo1512 15 днів тому +2

    I’m 56 and almost every Cardinals offseason has been depressing. Still waiting for the front office to do right by the fans.

  • @scottcoleman9710
    @scottcoleman9710 15 днів тому +1

    Personally; I'm looking forward to the moves and offseason. I look at this as the beginning of a new direction for the franchise, a season of evaluation of a lot of young players. As you said, we haven't scared the playoffs the last two seasons with these highly paid vets. Heisley should bring some top young talent. I think it will set the stage for the Hot Stove next year. We'll decide the keepers out of our young pool of players and start to fill in some blanks with Bloom leading charge. Also, I'd think the local TV situation, new Cardinal streaming platform, etc should be fully understand with more accurate revenue projections going forward. Rebuilds aren't fun for this type of franchise but it's truly needed at this point.

  • @icaleinns6233
    @icaleinns6233 15 днів тому +1

    The only player that I'm definitely counting as "He Gone" right now is Helsley. Arenado might be second, but they'd have to find a team that he would be willing to go to AND that team would have to want him enough to give up a decent prospect or two to get him. That'll be tricky. Plus he seemed like he might be starting to embrace the role of helping to bring along the younger players last year. He just might be game for sticking this one out, even though he's said his clock is ticking. Contreras and Gray? I don't really have a good feel for, but I really DO hope they will stay. The Cards need those guys over the next couple of years with all the youth coming in.

  • @justinhutchins6753
    @justinhutchins6753 15 днів тому +1

    The fact is the cardinals don’t need trade big names that will be biggest mistake they make

  • @YouMama1777
    @YouMama1777 14 днів тому

    The only anticipation this year is if Gorman Walker and Nootbar all play better... I don't think the rotation will be bad. I don't think Gray is going to let them trade him... Gray Fedde Pallante is decent... if Mathews emerges it could be good... the biggest bummer would be Contreras being traded... Arenado, I would be open to swapping him with another player on the decline w/ less years on their contract. Like George Springer. Who can play CF

  • @KDShortyBulls
    @KDShortyBulls 15 днів тому +1

    Let there be no confusion on this topic. The team does not need to reduce payroll. The team isn't that bad. If key players would not have been injured or and their top producers actually produced this team would have made the playoffs. If they cut payroll it's to be cheap not because it's needed.

  • @davidcobler5705
    @davidcobler5705 14 днів тому

    Hey JD;
    Based on the glowing remarks Bernie Miklasz shared about Pujols and why he’d be a great manager, he’d be my pick. Yadi can be the pitching coach and Skip could be the bench coach.
    Yeah, I know. Skip wants to manage. 🤪

  • @Wilco1972
    @Wilco1972 15 днів тому +5

    Dodger's just won their eighth World Series. And considering the vastly different trajectories of these two franchises, How many seasons before they overtake the Cardinals as the National League's premiere franchise in terms of World Series titles? 10? 15? 20?

    • @kevinray9943
      @kevinray9943 15 днів тому +1

      It's 11-8 now if I'm not mistaken... If that's correct, I'll take under 10 seasons.

    • @Excitegaming0
      @Excitegaming0 15 днів тому +1

      With ohtani, they are sure to win at least another 2-3 in the next 10 so I’m gonna say in the next 15-20 years they will overtake the cardinals in terms of World Series wins.
      They’ve already surpassed them in terms of being the “premier franchise” in the NL. They are in LA have a massive following and have the best players in the world on their team. They have been dubbed the NL Yankees.

    • @Wilco1972
      @Wilco1972 15 днів тому

      @@Excitegaming0 It's so sad how our ownership has thrown up their hand and given up, when we used to be able to at least be competitive on the field. Dewitts, the owners that give so much lip service about the rich history of the franchise have screwed up it's future.

    • @fruckNbike
      @fruckNbike 15 днів тому +1

      Definitely less than 10 at this rate. 😢

    • @Excitegaming0
      @Excitegaming0 15 днів тому +1

      @@Wilco1972 that’s why I’m not excited about Chaim at all, this franchise has an ownership problem and that is highlighted by their constant refusal to admit they fucked up bad. They couldn’t even fully admit to letting the player development slip beneath them when multiple in house guys said so. They are doing generational damage to this franchise. Baseball isn’t as popular as it use to be and as years go by people are losing interest, the new age doesn’t even care about baseball. Cardinals fans are getting older, if they don’t do anything to appeal to the younger genreation, the cardinals franchise could very well could be as irrelevant as the Rockies or Baltimore.

  • @KevinHuffman-m6h
    @KevinHuffman-m6h 10 днів тому

    Yeah........I could only see ONE SP OR RP that they might add.......that's IT!!!
    My preferrence would be for Trevor Williams of the Nats. Going down the route of an AFFORDABLE, what could be a very good value and maybe get on a 1-year Prove-It Deal that could offer up a Club Option when the team's trying to contend more in '26. / '27.

  • @robbiewoodall2202
    @robbiewoodall2202 11 днів тому

    Yadi catching, Hudson pitching, pick off play at 1st against the Giants with Pederson on 1st. The stuff that's unteachable in in Yadi's mind.

  • @derrickjenkins4
    @derrickjenkins4 13 днів тому

    We do remember Walker played 3rd base and our current 3rd baseman is going to leave . So yeah let's take a great arm and park it at first base.

  • @kevinalbertina136
    @kevinalbertina136 12 днів тому +1

    I worry that everyone is going to hang their hat on the "good" young players. Winn is legitimate, but beyond that, it's a middling group. Look at our young players and compare to the Brewers: Turang, Chourio, Ortiz, Frelick, etc. These guys are already really good. We have a bunch of players who might become decent players...maybe. I'm afraid that, unless the Pirates and Reds can out-bad us, we might be in the basement for the next year and maybe beyond. This situation disintegrated so quickly. They are a rudderless ship at this point. Hopefully, Bloom can turn the organization around, but the Dewitts' are likely to get in his way. It's obviously become more about money than becoming the best team and it's been this way for several years. The philosophy had become, let's do just enough to maybe make the playoffs and then hope to get lucky. Remember a year ago from Mo...they had learned their lesson and would do better in the future. Hah! Now, the philosophy is we'll do as little as possible to insure a decent profit. Good luck with that.
    With respect to Walker, he is lumbering on defense. He turns the wrong way, takes an indirect route to the ball, slow on the jump. He'll never be a great outfielder. He'll never be a good outfielder. Average? Maybe? Probably not. I mean, how long can they afford to wait. I guess since we're going to stink for a few seasons, we've got some time, but it gets old after awhile.
    With respect to managers...good players often don't make good managers. There are exceptions, but by and large, they don't. I'd go with Skip over Pujols and Yadi. Maybe Yadi will show some aptitude for it as he manages down in the Dominican Republic and it will change my mind. Descalso? I don't know. Our last bench coach hasn't worked out so well.

  • @YourUncleMorty
    @YourUncleMorty 15 днів тому +1

    If you think the off season is gonna be sad just wait till you see the attendance next year after mo and ownership tried to make giving up on winning a good thing.

  • @Fysherman13
    @Fysherman13 14 днів тому

    This offseason is going to be like getting savings bonds for your birthday. It’s good for you but not immediately useful. Hope we pick up some decent youngsters and develop them well!

  • @Wilco1972
    @Wilco1972 15 днів тому +2

    JD, I really wish you wouldn't use the term "Spoiled Cardinal's Fan". This fanbase has punched far above it's weight is deserving of a successful team. It's really comes off as a lazy cliche you media people use to play devil's advocate.

    • @michaelkoch9421
      @michaelkoch9421 15 днів тому

      Jd is great. We do feel entitled to a good team, but we are usually top 6-8 in ticket sales every season. You’re right, it’s not like the fans don’t pull their weight and support this team with their pockets.

  • @anthonyorman596
    @anthonyorman596 15 днів тому +1

    48 yr old lifelong cards fan and I've been through the good mostly and the bad the late 80s early 90s which in my teenage years we sucked mostly until Larussia was brought in and since then we've come to expect this team and ownership was committed to winning but unfortunately Dewitts are more about the bottom dollar than winning at any cost 😢 you can't guarantee that spending will make you a winner but it definitely increases the odds of it for sure I totally see the Dewitts trying to get bye now spending the bare min and copying the Rays and moneyballing the rest of the way I honestly don't see us as a contending team again until Dewitts sale which I don't see that happening unless they lose money on the team and if fans start really turning away which if the product they put on the field is what I think then I ain't spending anything again till they prove winning is what they are really about but I don't think Dewitts care if they are real contending team again unless he can do it through moneyball 😢 it sucks watching these other HISTORIC franchises willing to do whatever it takes to win playing for a Series knowing it'll be awhile before Cardinals fans see that again after all the yrs of winning

  • @KenLittlefield-m2c
    @KenLittlefield-m2c 13 днів тому

    Remember what happened the last time fans stopped showing up for their St. Louis teams , FOOTBALL CARDINALS AND THE RAMS ! TEAMS moved away !!!

  • @the_wanted823
    @the_wanted823 15 днів тому +1

    Jordan Walker could be similar to Vladimir Guerrero to me. That size and athletic ability, just let him play RF everyday at the majors and see how he is in 2 years. They're not playing for any championships anytime soon so why not give the talented youngsters a real chance to succeed. This goes for Gorman, McGreevy, Pallante, Herrera and all those guys at Triple A we heard were good and never see again.

    • @AstroHunter5280
      @AstroHunter5280 15 днів тому

      Walkers bat speed is too slow and can’t compare to Vlady. He will continue to struggle against major league pitching until he figures it out

  • @kevinnoah-i4o
    @kevinnoah-i4o 15 днів тому

    Cleaning house ain't no fun. Yet its necessary. We'll be in good shape by the 27' Season.

  • @Dantheman06-ib3td
    @Dantheman06-ib3td 14 днів тому

    Play the young guys. A few years ago, the Royals were in the same position. Now they are good and getting better. The Cards may have to be
    worse for a couple of years to get better. I think the young guys will get better with good coaching. Some potental all stars are in the prospects.

  • @bonnieschaefer8312
    @bonnieschaefer8312 11 днів тому

    I just read Marmol has claimed retirement! As well as Arenado! Really?

  • @jon-eriksuermann9844
    @jon-eriksuermann9844 12 днів тому

    I don’t understand this. Look at what the Mets and royals did this year, and the cardinals did improve record wise this year. I just hope that Arenado is still with us. I’m just saying I still have hope for Walker, Gorman, etc., and the team can contend.

  • @tonycomer1415
    @tonycomer1415 14 днів тому

    Love the trolls now who are saying they were sad to see Tommy go. Seems I remember most saying to trade Edman and keep Donavan. Also note that nobody is mentioning Flaherty. As for Gray, I wish he could have pitched more innings.

  • @georgesouthwick7000
    @georgesouthwick7000 14 днів тому

    When was the last time the Cardinals had a good off season?

  • @ricktalley
    @ricktalley 13 днів тому +1

    This team will lose 100 games next year😢

  • @PointerProductions1
    @PointerProductions1 15 днів тому +2

    Trading our players for hopefully young talent sounds good to me! We’ve been long overdue for an overhaul and changing of the guard. I’m looking forward to it!

  • @nickelliott1174
    @nickelliott1174 15 днів тому

    To say this off-season is going to be bad may be the understatement of the year, and it's an election year! At least we finally get to shove Mo overboard after next year I have been waiting a long time for that....😁

  • @robbyv1476
    @robbyv1476 14 днів тому

    OK JD, post the MJ jacket in bed pic!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @Tipledan
    @Tipledan 8 днів тому

    Gorman? DON'T THINK SO. I just can't wait thru fifty strikeouts for an otherwise meaningless homer. Walker....don't think so. More strikeouts. Are any of these catchers able to take on third base and do it well? and, didn't we fall in attendance this year?

  • @easycharlie6739
    @easycharlie6739 13 днів тому

    Dewittless brought this himself. I was formerly a huge fan of professional sports. I haven't watched a MLB game in over 5 years. Manfred put the final nail in the sport for me. I no longer care.

  • @bakajon
    @bakajon 15 днів тому +2

    Unlike many of the "Spoiled Cardinal Fans" lamenting about the past few seasons and demanding an IMMEDIATE series contending team. I am a realist, and I do not look at the off season as depressing. I see it as the beginning of the building a new era of successful Cardinal Baseball. I am looking forward to watching the development of the many young players we have coming under the watch of Chiam Bloom.

    • @YouMeandHumanity
      @YouMeandHumanity 15 днів тому

      Ive been waiting for this rebuild since the mistakes of the mid to late teens. Im excited to root for a up and coming younger Cardinals squad.

  • @Hauntworld
    @Hauntworld 10 днів тому

    The Cardinals don’ t have to do this because the owner is a multi billionaire he can authorize management to spend another 60 million which they can afford because after this next season another 30 millions comes off the books. The non stop best fans in baseball is about to end. I doubt your page is going to get the views. I doubt as many people will come to downtown. All around it’s going to be a bad deal for everyone. I’m guessing attendance will drop below 2 million in 2025. I’m guessing you’ll see games with 4 or 5k fans showing up to games. Pointless talking about this team anymore. They’ll be bad for a decade.

  • @MikeSmith-rx4uz
    @MikeSmith-rx4uz 14 днів тому

    Yadi and, albert have too big of egos to not be in the spotlight. Ill take skip.

  • @roballen8431
    @roballen8431 14 днів тому

    If you guys are fans of the cards i d hate to see their enemies.get over it.hopefully bill picks up his marbles and takes them to nashville or any other town .grown ups accept down times as well as good.pick up your marbles and go home.

  • @danzemacabre8899
    @danzemacabre8899 12 днів тому

    2007 -2008 ,we sucked, 1990 was worse than this, it was so bad whitey resigned and the cards gutted the team , they would not be competitive until 1996 when the DeWitts and Tony LaRussa came in. As a young kid ,the 70s sucked ,I mean suck sucked, so we have been through this before and we will get through it again and it will be for the better,they allowed the farm system to wither away and this club can't survive without it, so buckle up butter cup, it's gonna be ok

  • @marylikens6847
    @marylikens6847 15 днів тому

    Trade everyone over 30 years old

  • @scott2726
    @scott2726 15 днів тому

    Your thumbnail post JD!😂im already having nightmares lol..btw whose that guy peering over right shoulder!🫣 i wish it was 4-1-25 already..i think with the new coaches probably new faces in the lineup we will claw, scratch and try to impress that we belong at the major league level.. yes JD its a business look at Soto is it 3 or 4 teams hes played for and he isnt even 30. So if Winn continues to excell will the owners come up with big money to keep him here when that day comes to payup or trade him before its to late..its a business cycle..i think we may surprise the baseball press in 25..with rsp and obp by Nolan A and Paul G way below their incredible career stats so we may have have hitters that perform at a higher level this coming season. I wish we could have got the WS rings here for those 2 guys bcz they worked so damn hard and put a lot on themselves to carry the team ..but aquiring starting pitchers ranked as 4th or 5th tier are not going to cut it and it showed. Thanks JD have a great day!⚾️🏆 way to go Tommy Edman!!🏆