So let me get this straight. When John Swan left the internet, everybody was upset that he not only lied but that he also made people defend his lie. Now Dream exposes himself for doing pretty much the same thing and all of his fans suddenly don't hold the same views anymore. I'm not a fan of John but that's rich. I would be pissed I found out some youtuber who makes millions a year was using me to spread a lie all in some vain attempt to protect their career.
dude john lied about irl stuff and autism, called someone the n word and a suicide baiter, and purposefully lied to tarnish someone's rep. Intentionally lying about an "autistic kid", calling someone the n-word and a suicide baiter and purposely ruining someone else's career is not even comparable to Dream cheating in a minecraft speedrun. Real controversies really put things into perspective.
@@coki7472 well, Dream went after the mod team’s credibility by slandering them, and his fanbase ate it up. He claimed they were clout chasers, that they were biased against him, and that their calculations were off (none of which was true btw).
The worst thing here wasn’t that he cheated, but rather that he kept on denying it and slandering other people. If any other creator did this, they’d be over, but because dream did it he gets a free pass and people are still siding with him. Slandering people and calling them a clout chaser isn’t a mistake. Also, it’s not like what he did is “in the past.” People are still getting death threats and hate from dream stans to this day.
My mans cheated in a speedrun, sic’d his 5 year olds on the people who proved him to be a cheater, then said “uwu sowwy my kittens I cheated, pwease fogive me 😢😢😢”
@@hakimehamdouchi7468 the amount done doesn’t really matter, people were just disappointed in John Swan and are quick to forgive or excuse what he lied about (especially since this audience hates dream specifically).
@@PaleRook nah John lied for a few weeks. This man lied for an entire year hired someone to prove him innocent and had the nerve to call the people biased clout chasers with rabid fans attacking people. Two psychopath
Dream: "I speedrun for fun and entertainment" Also Dream: Hires a "Harvard mathematician" to prove that speedrun is real and calls mod team clout chasers for saying that his speedrun is fake
@@deisk2707 The guy is unnamed, we don't know anything about him, he conveniently changed his mind to that Dream cheated to fit his story, then threatened blackmail so we would feel bad for Dream, and the statistics community tore his report to shreds. If the smart math man exists, he's no Harvard graduate.
Dude it's so irritating that everyone, "feels bad" for Dream right after he claimed everyone who was working against him was on a smear campaign and publicly shamed them via Twitter, UA-cam and twitch.. ridiculous.
@@isaaccruz1093 ? He says he apologized for the weight of the event he was carrying he never made any big statement bout his mental health like mini ladd or somethin
Dream: **Cheats on the speedrun of the biggest video game** People: We cant have you in the world record list, cuz you cheated Dream: Kittens, you know what to do Dream stans: **harasses, doxxes, sends death threats to people calling dream out** Dream: btw I did cheat lmao Literally everybody for some reason: _Dream is so brave I'm so sad for you bro Imagine having tı deal with people calling you out for your cheating I'm praying for you 😊😊🙏🙏_
I know right he cheated and lied about it people exposed him for it he denied and mocked them then the people who exposed him got harassed and had death threat's then dream goes yeah I cheated then they are like aww its okay dweam baby uwu it's Just a game people make mistakes
I dont understand why everyone is immediately "oh its the past, dont be hard on yourself". Dream weaponized his fan base and they sent death threats and did so many other bad behaviors. Dream needs to be hard on himself to see what power he actually holds and to not get so defensive. I can understand his side where he thought he did it legit, but he should have considered the chat mode even if he thought it was a chat mod. Why didn't he ask the dev if he managed to change drop rates? He did a horrible thing and deserves the lash back. Sadly his stan base doesn't care and still worships him
You can tell he's still salty towards the mods that removed his speedrun too He just goes on and on about how he's "still not sure they were unbiased" even though THEY ENDED UP BEING CORRECT. If they're correct, the bias shouldn't even matter anymore lol He was low-key still trying to blame them instead of taking accountability
Did anyone catch the fact that people keep saying "he's been through a lot" despite him putting this on himself and deciding to come clean ONLY after 11 months, at that point having made numerous different posts, slandering people and inciting harassment? But hey wE aLL maKe MistAk3s
but this is true. Dream stans r the worst thing i ever seen and they themselfs made the creators look cringy. They r sooo biased and toxic but when they get called out for it dream defends them
This is something small, but imagine this kind of mob mentality on something more serious, like ambiguous morality on crimes like terrorism or political scandals
it's so annoying to see people say "oh it's ok" like no it's not; because of his insistence people were doxed, received death threats, and had other things done to them because they called him our for cheating he also gaslit millions of people by hiring the astrophysicist and then misrepresented the findings so his stans, who didn't read the paper, would assume that it was somehow feasible for the events to have happened
Still not dreams fault. He stated in the end of his response to not harass any of the moderators or bring any kind of hate. As always its the stans fault. But i think dream cant do much about crazy stans, like he is 21 i think, still immature and cant properly handle a million stans... No one can :l
@@leonardoderosa197 yeah but he could atleast teach them or atleast tell them to act normal but no he basically rewards their behavior by calling them his kittens
now that dream admitted to cheated everybody who made videos on him now respects him, it’s obvious they’re saying that so dream’s fans don’t attack the people who made videos on it
They probably didn't even read the whole thing. If you had a mod that increased drop rates and people were accusing you of that you would just check the folder. Post some screenshots and be done. But no.
The most disturbing part about this is that even when admitting he's cheating, he's still trying to spin it in a way that it looks like he "accidentally" cheated. Says a lot about how narcissistic he is. He went through all that trouble to hire a fake expert and sent his rabid fans out the mods, left it hanging after the evidence was overwhelming against him, and now comes back to apologize 11 months after everything died down and still tries to defend his actions.
But it is possible that he accidentally cheated. He didn't intentionally send his fans after the mods, I mean... Creators always get treated as if any hate they caused towards others was intentional, but it often isn't. It's very likely you just heard that he said he actually cheated, not his explanation. And his explanation wasn't even diverting blame. It was simply explaining his ensuing behaviour, regarding his reaction. He has paid a price for his actions, either way. I just think it's really disingenuous when peeps automatically assume the worst of him. He's not fucking Hitler, but with an army of children.
I'm honestly just furious about how Dream can weaponize his fanbase and smother anything against him and nobody would bat an eye. I swear this man could commit a murder, admit it, and still be completely forgiven by the mindless drones that follow him.
dream: no I not *mocks them and gets his fans to attack them* people: *getting harassed and getting death threats and being told to kill themselves* dream: oh yeah I did cheat. his stans: Uwu baby dweam its okay that you cheated its just a game people make mistakes your only human. people who got harassed:😐
That's what I never get about Dream, wether he realizes this or not, his fans are a problem, they always have been, and he barely does anything to stop them. I have been subscribed to a lot of people that aren't Dream that have dealt with situations where their own fans have harresed people or did things in their youtubers name, so they took the time to address it to their fans in a very serious tone to stop (for like 12-30 min) and they work. I don't get why Dream puts in the bare minimum to tell his fans not to be toxic by just saying "Hey don't start drama" in about one or two sentences and leave it at that. Dream and his fan base may be 2 different things but holy shit dude, at least TRY to control your fans. The fans have caused so much damage then Dream just acts like it never existed and they just keep patting him on the back saying that he's just human and humans makes mistakes (or some other dumb excuse)
"Its painful to see millions of people go after you" Hey Cordwit, why don't you tell that to GeoSquare who Dream had his 20+mil fanbase publicly humiliate.
@@tyrues1682 but yeah um okay but he lied to everybody for I think four months and his weird-ass toxic fanbase told people to kill themselves but he's just human yeah it's not his fault he lied and his fans believed him yeah bro
Dream: “i didnt cheat. The mods just hate me” Dream stans: “yeah we support you dream” Dream: “i cheated. Oopsie” Dream stans: “yeah we support you dream”
John Swan gets attacked because he was lying and stringing people along Dream *does the same thing*: “Oh, what a innocent person, hope he learns from this situation! #ThoughtsPrayers!”
I like how when the guy exposed dream for cheating they sent him death threats and tried to ruin his life but when dream admitted to it, it's nothing but "it's all good" or "thanks for telling the truth"
Dude yelled and people thought he was racist. He lived with scrutiny everyday. Him getting exposed was the trap that broke the camels back. I think he likes his Stan’s because they are the only ones that don’t constantly scrutinise him. Honestly I would have cracked and kept lying if I were him, dude went through hell. He’s wrong and deserves criticism but what he needs most is a break from the internet and a therapist
Same thing with his friends and other creators who won’t call him out for all the shit he said and did and will go after everyone else who called him out
Basically dream *cheats* people: *expose's* dream: no I not *mocks them and gets his fans to attack them* people: *getting harassed and getting death threats and being told to kill themselves* dream: oh yeah I did cheat. his stans: Uwu baby dweam its okay that you cheated its just a game people make mistakes your only human. people who got harassed:😐
I hate how the stans are acting like dream is the victim. “Omg I’m so glad you get this weight of your shoulders and have been honest with us”. He put the weight on his shoulders and lied for months.
I think most people could care less about him cheating in a game, but the fact him and his stans went SO FAR into literal harassment and death threats is the issue. It's actually insane that a differing opinion, something so childish as cheating in a game, leads to death threats. His fans are unstable.
Yeah I feel like people are blaming dream too much when it was mostly the stans fault. Of course dream still made mistakes too. But the stans took it too far. If dream didnt say "If you send hate to anyone you're no supporter of mine" twitter would have turned into a warzone by now.
@@guoc11 No it is his fault, if you have never heard the phrase actions speak louder than words than let me explain it, when dream says "Don't send hate" in a video but then in that same video dislikes the video before even watching it, and after the video sending hate over twitter that is legitimately him telling every crazy fan of his that you shouldn't listen to my words but instead follow my actions which is the opposite of my words.
Dream: “i didnt cheat. The mods hate me” Dream friends and stans: “its ok we believe you dweam:3” Dream: “i cheated. Oops lol” Dream friends and stans: “its just a game who cares” Also Dream friends and stans: *doxxes/sends threats/ attacks anyone who called out dream*
It's so painful seeing these worthless people tip toe around Dream like he did nothing wrong. Keeping track of all the names mentioned here defending Dream STILL even after he's fully admitted it. You People are the problem.
And the people that draw him like this sexy hung stud, that’s very sick as well, but he’s not much better so he can cry all he wants about the porn that gets drawn of him.
It's the definition of a cult at this point. Worshipping a diety and excusing every wrong action he does while actively denouncing all other nonbelievers and people who disagree
@@theskiesahead795 I fully agree,and the worst part is,most of his stans are minors and can be manipulated very easily,I swear I’ve seen a stan that thinks dream loves them more than their own parents,I don’t think that’s normal
"everyone makes mistakes" yeah everyone just vehemently denies that they were cheating even when given extensive proof and evidence of said cheating, goes on rants about the mod team and insults them in front of their millions of followers, makes a 30 minute video with a fake mathematician in order to retain their credibility, doubles down when called out and doesn't actually call out their stans toxic and abusive behavior. oh, did i mention that when they finally "admit" to cheating, they just make up excuses in order to garner sympathy? yeah, everyone just makes mistakes dream!!
i mean everybody does make mistakes most people make way more serious mistakes that arent just about twitter and minecraft lol. if you took a random person and had millions and millions of people watching their every move like a hawk you would be able to compile a book about all the mistakes they made and act like they are the scum of the earth. when in reality nobodies perfect and most people are flawed and do similarly stupid stuff in their personal life. especially most of the people on their high horse when talking about e celebrities. Dream should be held accountable for his actions, and deserves to be critiqued; but yes he is a human and humans make mistakes.
@@antiform47 he does deserve to be on the harsher side of criticism after the shit geosquare went through. And i dont think he said sorry for that not to mention his failure to keep his stans on a leash. Just because it was on twitter doesnt mean it was less bad of a situation then if it was real life. Death threats his stans were sending people is a big enough red flag for him to stop endorsing them,and yet he continues the cycle.
antiform47 yes everyone makes mistakes, but how you own up to them is most important. If you’re gonna lie to your own fans for months and deny obvious and blatant claims, you turn that mistake into something much worse. Thats what flat earthers do
As usual, a lot of people lose sight of what is the real problem in this "drama". It's not the cheating part, because it's really just the problem for the minecraft's community. But the problem is Dream's attitude and responses, his FRIENDS' attitude and lastly their stans. i agree with Rod Breslau 10:18 for this part.
Wow, this whole event was a rollercoaster. All I can say is that its super strange Dream defended himself so loudly and brazenly since Geosquare's video only to portray himself only being soft and kind the whole time in the apology, even when he was admitting he was unfair and rude at times. It forms a disconnect that's off-putting. That might just be me though.
Hey bro i forgot that i a speedrunner who has sped run the game multiple times forgot to put this one sneaky mod in the mod folder such a goof sorry i didnt know that i had thag mod in a folder
The fact that so many people are easily letting this go is sad. Dream and his toxic stans (not all stans, only the stans who attacked other people) didn't make a mistake, they made a HORRIBLE decision that shouldn't have happened in the first place Edit: Another thing that doesn’t make sense is that other streamers/content creators and even Dream’s friends are letting go easily as well
I have a feeling that he intentionally admitted to it now of all times because the upcoming MCC tournament will distract the community from this drama in the first place
@@thenextgeneration9030 not all stans are toxic but in Dream’s case a HUGE number of them are and that’s a problem. Dream talks about how he always tells his fans to stop being toxic which we all know thats BS because if that was true then a lot less of his fans will be toxic right now.
@@jbbajangamer oh okay I thought a Stan was a fan who went the extra mile to support a creator like fan art or donations. Thank you for clearing that up for me
People who say "so what if he cheated, its just a game", I get that its just a game but if you feel the need to cheat in any sort of activity there might be and underlying self-esteem or ego issues
That and people spend years upon years speedrunning legitimately to get high in the leaderboards It's unfair he tried to cheat and replace someone who WORKED for their place And now his bootlickers are mocking those who legitimately care about minecraft speedrunning and making jokes about how it's "just Minecraft" Like yeah, it is, but cheating in competitive gaming is still unfair
Dream: I didn’t Cheat Dream Stans: OMG THE MOD TEAM ARE JUST HATERS PAPA DREAM IS INCAPABLE OF LYING Dream: I cheated Dream Stans: HE JUST ADMITTING HIS FAULTS HES A BIGGER MAN THAN ALL OF YOU GO OFF KING 👑
I don't understand why everyone is being so light-hearted about this. Whether it was a mistake or not, Dream unwittingly caused a lot of grief on various ends, and should be put to the fire. In the event that he was wasn't purposefully cheating, as the commenter at 6:17 said, Dream should've noticed that his run was off and should've refrained from posting it. ... I'm lead to believe that Dream purposefully did cheat, however; this is a speed runner, we're talking about. We all remember the mob vote, and how he told his fanbase to vote for Glow Squid; he wouldn't care about the mob's actual uses, so long as it didn't interfere with his speed runs. It, then, took him nearly a year to come clean and apologize! Either he was very naive, or he didn't expect to for all the Twitter drama to spin out of control (I'm more on the latter). One thing's for certain, though: people are cutting him *way* too much slack. :/
@@thecoomler9921 I may have been a bit biased myself (which is totally rich, coming from I, the OP. Lol), but my point still stands. Perhaps Dream isn't so bad a person, but after all the drama spilled over, there's no way I can think positively about Dream without bringing his character into question. Being someone who's inherently cautious about my sense of character, I tend to scrutinize people for small things. However, those small things do add up into an ugly mess; what unfolded was all of the build up spinning out of control, and hurting a lot of people after it got out. In the end, no matter Dream's intentions, this was all his fault and he should be held to a higher standard than what some of the big figures are holding him to.
He was either aware of what he was doing. Or he straight went along with it, with a naive look. In my opinion he was aware of what he was doing. But really if it ain’t for his sheep herd Stan fan base. Dream would’ve been criticized very much to the point.
Be real, everything he's done _except_ the mob vote was awful. Face the fact: most Minecraft UA-camrs tried to sway the vote. It's just what happens when you let people decide things. If people considered Dream a good enough reason to vote for the glow squid, then that's what they voted for. It's not like he threatened them into it or something. People had the choice of what to vote for every step of the way. Also, remember that Dream's fanbase isn't the entire Minecraft community. 22 million is not actually equal to 130 million, believe it or not, and even then you have to think that every last one of his subscribers voted, and voted how he told them to. I was subscribed to him until it came out that he cheated (The first time; I'm not an idiot), and I for one would have voted for whatever the fuck I wanted. We're getting the cave update and all you shits care about is that they're adding a squid instead of a cow or whatever.
It’s like everyone got hit with the mind erase thingy from men in black because it looks like they forgot how much hate and how many death treats people got from dream stans just because we said he cheated, and not only from his stans even from dream himself
The fact that Dream still stated Mods as *"Clout Chasers"* *"Biassed"* is just wrong its as if hes playing the Victim man basically said with the Whole document *"Mouds are annowying UwU. I nwever thought i hwad the Mwod on UwU please forgwive me ill twickle your Bawls*
He keeps saying that he does these speedruns “ For Fun and Entertainment ” which is fine, but the problem is if that's the case then why did he bother to make a whole reply to defend himself, spend almost a year lieing about it, and let his fans and him himself attack other people? That's not someone doing this just for fun, bruv.
If he did them for fun he wouldn't have submitted them, and if you haven't noticed yet he still mad at the mods, the paste bin mentions multiple times how 'clumsy' 'imprecise' yada yada every thing he could possible say mean about the mods, he is obviously salty which wouldn't be the case if he actually didn't care about official speedrunning. Also if he didn't care about official speedrunning then he wouldn't have tried to submit a 1.15 run a few days before he 'admitted' to cheating only for it to be denied automatically on accounts of him being banned from the speedrunning community.
Also that is the reason he 'admitted to cheating' was because he wanted to be like "See it was an accident and I admitted to it, now unban me" personally hope he stays banned, it is the one punishment he has gotten in this whole ordeal.
As someone who defended him for the idea that people really can get extremely lucky (myself included with the entire skip of Ocarina of time that i still cant replicate nor have seen anyone else do and still unofficially consider myself the WR holder of fastest completionist of it) I can admit when im wrong and its absolutely baffling that someone would take a cheat and spread it like its the truth. I personally take the route of trusting people until proven a liar and with dream I can say that he was definitely in the wrong.
The first dream supporter that ive seen that’s actually like: look I believed him and i was wrong. Thats a very mature response that you’ll almost never see from dreams fanbase
@@juliusvdl2204 Tbh I never knew who he was before the whole cheating thing. I just looked at it in the same light I'd like someone to look at it as if it were me.
I too defended Dream and thought his luck was amazing, but now that the truths come out, I'm just disappointed in myself and in dream. I don't even care if he cheated or not, but the reason I'm mad is because he lied to a whole entire community. people that accused dream for cheating got constant hate and death threats, but now that dream admitted it, all he stans are so forgiving like it's not even a big deal, but when his stans sent people death threats everything was ok. Bullshit. all the hate and backlash dream is getting are what he deserves. Dream stans worship him so it makes a lot of sense that they would easily forgive him.
This reminds me of the John Swan situation John admits to lying and everyone dogs on him, including his friends and fans Dream admits to lying and his friends and fans continue to suck on him I wish my brain was that dumb to understand these double standards
They do it because they want to leech everything from him. I have never heard any of these channels till they decided to join Dream. They know without Dream, then they will be nothing.
@@StitchdTeeth That’s pretty rude, i mean just because like Tommy or Tubbo didn’t make their channel in like 2009 doesn’t mean they’re bad atleast give them a chance.
"Guys I'm only doing this for fun! I'm not a professional speedrunner!!" *cheats in a game about blocks, submits the cheating run in a community where people spend most of their days analyzing technical details, and lies for 7 to 11 months* "Uh, well you see, I accidentally left some mods on while preparing to speedrun. Anyways positivity yeah! 💓💓💓" See guys? Don't worry, it was all just for fun! He was just doing a little trolling for almost a year, you see. Y'know, as you do.
Someone said dream didn’t know how to code I think, but that at both ends that doesn’t make sense because if he didn’t know how to code and asked someone to code for him, that means he would of “accidentally” left a mod for a video he didn’t record or upload 🤨 1/2
2/2 if he did know how to code, he would of codes for higher chance drops, and for some reason put the mod in Minecraft folders and forget he had those mods? If he had forgotten those mods and then got called out for, he would’ve admitted it sooner for not realizing he had those mods and that would’ve stopped the major harassment people got for calling him out.
Their is no point to this everyone is going to forget about it and dream is going to go on with his life and still have millions of subscribers and views it’s why I never truly understood UA-cam drama like is it really drama if people are mad for a week
@@flviir punished for what all he did was cheat not like he was a pedophile and it’s like all drama once your a big enough youtuber you can get away with anything that’s why I never take cancel culture seriously
@@flviir ok and complaining and getting angry isn’t going to right those wrongs after 2020 the whole arguing with people over politics or in this case getting mad over shit that’s gonna phase out I’m done doing that what’s the point of getting mad if like my second comment said if it isn’t going to amount to nothing all he has to do is make another manhunt appear in another mr beast video and all is forgotten
His fanbase has hurt LITERALLY EVERYONE who speaks of his name in a slightly negative light. When "only a minority" do that, you have to consider your subscriber count, that ratio ends up being a surprising amount of people. Has he ever apologized for what his fanbase has done to some people?!!
@Dr. Niko His fanbase again and again sends death threats to people but he turns around and says ItS a MiNorItY ThAt mAKes uS AlL loOk bAd and justifies their behavior. Even the ones who aren't that bad in comparison get their actions justified by that. Saying not to attack them is fine and all that's great, I'm glad he can do that. But he just says don't *attack people,* and doesn't seem to really understand how far they'd go.
For all the Dream stans that called me a dumbass and bashed me when I believed that Dream cheated. Thank you for making feel so much better about being right 😌😌.
@@shiny4102 No he said "Don't send Hate" but then proceeds to dislike a video he hasn't even watched, and send a hate tweet, literally right after saying that, actions speak louder than words my friends.
@Dr. Niko No he said "Don't send Hate" but then proceeds to dislike a video he hasn't even watched, and send a hate tweet, literally right after saying that, actions speak louder than words my friends.
What baffles me the most, is how Dream saw how his fanbase harrased and sent death threats to the mod team, and he just sat there watching knowing fair well he was lying. Dream is literally the worst case of fame-swollen head since Fortnite Ninja
love how john swan immediately got butthurt. the reason everyone was so up in arms about john is because he's a commentator, someone who's supposed to be credible. he also lied to close friends on purpose and created this entire fanfare. we all knew dream was full of shit. dream lying about a speed run is a lot different than john swan creating a fake disabled child to excuse himself
@@padf-shrimpy1019 Oh look at the little Dream jr, you're gonna cry? (Bully Macguire intensifies). In case you don't get it since you cannot hear the tone of written words, im just joking. Memes are hte best way to laugh
@@joseantoniovargas6548 You need to calm your horses my guy, the person you responded to was doing a reference and it was obviously supposed to be a joke in line with the previous 2 comments.
Pretty high actually. But this isn't fucking accidental. It's just a lame ass excuse to try and save face after he realized people wouldn't forget about the cheating fiasco.
I still think it's hilarious it took him this long to realize it was a mod he deliberately used for his manhunt series. It was the simplest game of connect the dots he could have played, but nah contact an astrophysicist lol
One thing that frustrates me is that a majority of his fans will keep watching. Most are there because of the streams and multiple hunters series, I don't think most kids (or teens because of the stans) would turn someone they deem a hero. Really wild that alot of people out there are now genuinely seeing online content creators as role models/heroes.
I love how back when the drama started, all of the stans were hard defending him, saying that he didn't cheat, and now that he admitted several months later, they're saying "it's ok, its just a game king" wtf
My dog unfortunately passed away recently, i have just watched so many old videos on your channel. This is channel has kept me distracted and made me think of something else. Thanks man, keep up the good work.
sorry for your loss man i too recently lost a pet he was my whole world. go and have fun with Friends and family, talk about it with them, get something to keep your dogs memory alive, i promise you it will get better. after i did all of that i was left with a new positive outlook on life and i hope you are left with one too.
I ain’t surprised with this. Dream was aware of what he was doing. He wanted to scapegoat his way out and doing all this shit to prove that his bull was the truth. And now that he admits it. He can basically go on his way and make his moves with His Stan fan base who have no independent thought and act like sheep and repeat what other Stan says and forgive him for the fact he stalled 9 months to admit that he cheated.
I don’t think Dream understands how much of an influence he has, and he definitely doesn’t understand how to control his fan base. It was selfish and pointless if Dream to cheat, and because of his ridiculous fan base he won’t have any consequences. Whether he realizes it or not, cheating and keeping this hidden is setting a horrible example.
To be brutally honest, I think Dream should just be completely deplatformed off of UA-cam (even though we all know that won't ever happen) because he *clearly* weponizing and abusing his fanbase for his own sake and the sheer amount of controversy he's been in from seemingly month to month.
It’s amazing that his rabid fanbase will still defend him saying “we all make mistakes.” HE LITERALLY LIED TO EVERYONE! HE CALLED THE ACCUSERS “clout chasers” WHEN THEY WERE RIGHT, HE CHEATED!
dream: no I not *mocks them and gets his fans to attack them* people: *getting harassed and getting death threats and being told to kill themselves* dream: oh yeah I did cheat. his stans: Uwu baby dweam its okay that you cheated its just a game people make mistakes your only human. people who got harassed:😐
dream: no I not *mocks them and gets his fans to attack them* people: *getting harassed and getting death threats and being told to kill themselves* dream: oh yeah I did cheat. his stans: Uwu baby dweam its okay that you cheated its just a game people make mistakes your only human. people who got harassed:😐
“Hey George, I’m making an apology and I need an excuse for it to be cryptic and confusing” “Just say you made it in your bath” “Oh damn why didn’t I think of that”
dream: no I not *mocks them and gets his fans to attack them* people: *getting harassed and getting death threats and being told to kill themselves* dream: oh yeah I did cheat. his stans: Uwu baby dweam its okay that you cheated its just a game people make mistakes your only human. people who got harassed:😐
It's very telling that even when Dream is confessing about cheating he has to word it in a way that makes come off as stupid. As if he did not realize that he's been using a program that makes his speed running easier for the past few months. That's total bullshit. Everybody knows what they download when playing this game. Why people have forgiven him already is beyond me.
The fact that he deflected blame onto a mod he installed, updated and used regularly means he knew right away what happened. He also never apologized in a document meant to apologize. It wasn't me guys, it was the mod I installed. He also talks about not attacking the moderators and that every is great again, but includes a call to action for his Stans. Why else include, I don't the moderators were nice enough to me. That should not be included in a statement where you claim it is done. Anyone praising Dream will cringe in 5 years when they realize the reality of his ignorance.
6:15 "Takes some bravery to admit you were wrong after all that." It does, but Dream also wrote it in a way that screams "give me pity." Which is exactly what most of these Twitter replies do; give him pity by calling it a "mistake." If Dream had been really brave, he wouldn't have written it to be a "sympathize with me" short story. The entire thing could have been a paragraph and still explains all of his points, but he knew he wouldn't have gotten all of this pity and sympathy.
Dream: I didn’t cheat All of his friends: I bewev yu miter drem Dream:I cheated Friends: is ok champ we all make mistakes and lie to our fan base for half a year or more uwu
I think it wouldn't have been as big if he just admitted to cheating. That being said, I find this whole situation so fkin hilarious. The internet is a wonderful place
I feel a burning hatred towards Dream now more than ever, how come John Swan gets a ton of flak, insults and loosing friends when he admits, but when Dream does it, he just gets a slap on the wrist and compliments? Not fair if you ask me. Very hypocritical.
Tbh what John swan did was worse but at least he came clean a lot faster than dream did and yet he suffered much more consequences while dream just get a bunch of compliments by his stans while the UA-camrs are too afraid to get death treats and losing subs that they are force to compliment him and not call out the stans hypocrisy.
Dream is also getting insult is he not? To be fair I do t have Twitter and I’m mostly part of the commentators community then dreams. Also didn’t he get doxxed and also get death threats. I just think dream doesn’t say it but I think it’s pretty obvious
this whole situation reminds me what kind of world do we live in people will not say we accept your apology or we don't accept your apology without make it about themselves
His 20+ million subscribers full of kids are influenced by his actions. He basically taught and groomed 20 million kids(size of a small country) that lying is okay, that people would even praise you for it. And that is a crime against humanity.
Just because it's "da blockie game" doesn't discourage the fact that he called the debunkers (who were right) liars when he himself was one, and sent his fan base after them. I don't hate Dream, but he doesn't seem like a person with a lot of morals.
dream: no I not *mocks them and gets his fans to attack them* people: *getting harassed and getting death threats and being told to kill themselves* dream: oh yeah I did cheat. his stans: Uwu baby dweam its okay that you cheated its just a game people make mistakes your only human. people who got harassed:😐
Dream could admit he kidnapped and tortured multiple people to death and his stans would still say "Please don't send hate to him, he's been through a lot and this is just his way of coping"
I don't think anyone would have given two shits about whether or not Dream cheated... The problem was how Dream escalated the issue way farther than he had to. And I really don't like how people were saying, "Everyone makes mistakes, Dream! Don't worry!" I think there is a difference between an honest mistake and abusing your power to silence those who dared accuse you, Dream. Also, why bring this up MONTHS LATER?!? It took Dream several months to find out that he had "accidentally" cheated on his speedrun. I call bullshit on that. This may not be true but I think Dream did it for clout. Dream must have realized that he was slowly becoming less and less relevant, so he decided to admit that he actually did cheat in order to be in the spotlight once more. (This is just a theory, so don't take it seriously.)
Stans before: HE DIDN'T CHEAT
Stans now: it's just a game
^this
@@lordlyhawk he did not cheat he just forgot he had a mod
Fax Dream can literally kick an old lady and punch a crippled baby and the stans will try to find a way to defend it
@@trickyzlolz stop spamming Stan omg
@@trickyzlolz still cheated dumbass 🤦🏽♂️
So let me get this straight. When John Swan left the internet, everybody was upset that he not only lied but that he also made people defend his lie. Now Dream exposes himself for doing pretty much the same thing and all of his fans suddenly don't hold the same views anymore. I'm not a fan of John but that's rich. I would be pissed I found out some youtuber who makes millions a year was using me to spread a lie all in some vain attempt to protect their career.
Theres no real consistency with those people.
dude john lied about irl stuff and autism, called someone the n word and a suicide baiter, and purposefully lied to tarnish someone's rep. Intentionally lying about an "autistic kid", calling someone the n-word and a suicide baiter and purposely ruining someone else's career is not even comparable to Dream cheating in a minecraft speedrun. Real controversies really put things into perspective.
@@coki7472 well, Dream went after the mod team’s credibility by slandering them, and his fanbase ate it up. He claimed they were clout chasers, that they were biased against him, and that their calculations were off (none of which was true btw).
Admittedly, on the surface these two controversies seem equivalent, but John's is still worse
@@ThisDude234 but still equally dumb, lmao.
It's actually really frightening how much power one influencer, the size of Dream, can have over their followers.
Ur even here too wtf
Stop existing
Why the fuck are you everywhere
My god it’s Actually you
There he is lmao
The worst thing here wasn’t that he cheated, but rather that he kept on denying it and slandering other people. If any other creator did this, they’d be over, but because dream did it he gets a free pass and people are still siding with him. Slandering people and calling them a clout chaser isn’t a mistake. Also, it’s not like what he did is “in the past.” People are still getting death threats and hate from dream stans to this day.
My mans cheated in a speedrun, sic’d his 5 year olds on the people who proved him to be a cheater, then said “uwu sowwy my kittens I cheated, pwease fogive me 😢😢😢”
John Swan. That’s all I got to say lmao
@@PaleRook john swan did way less and got punished severely that his planned video about stan culture got canceled
@@hakimehamdouchi7468 the amount done doesn’t really matter, people were just disappointed in John Swan and are quick to forgive or excuse what he lied about (especially since this audience hates dream specifically).
@@PaleRook nah John lied for a few weeks. This man lied for an entire year hired someone to prove him innocent and had the nerve to call the people biased clout chasers with rabid fans attacking people. Two psychopath
Dream: "I speedrun for fun and entertainment"
Also Dream: Hires a "Harvard mathematician" to prove that speedrun is real and calls mod team clout chasers for saying that his speedrun is fake
lmao
Wait, im confused. Im not American and what's wrong with anyone who is from Harvard Schools?
@@deisk2707 It's a school that's REALLY hard to get in. So, people that go there are really smart.
@@deisk2707 nothing, it’s just crazy how he’d go to such lengths to prove his innocence
@@deisk2707 The guy is unnamed, we don't know anything about him, he conveniently changed his mind to that Dream cheated to fit his story, then threatened blackmail so we would feel bad for Dream, and the statistics community tore his report to shreds. If the smart math man exists, he's no Harvard graduate.
Dream stans: "we all made a mistakes. just move on.
After belatedly send hates and death
threats to the accuser for months.
And this is why I hate dream stans.
@@winster32 how dare you offend my weird and strange necrophiliac Brotherhood😉🙄
@@theegggod8070 -has a stroke trying to dread this-
@@meco7956 huh? If you don't get it I was joking
@@theegggod8070 i know that- 🤐
Ah man, here we go again...
Yo I thought I were dead
Verified likes incoming:
Dream did not cheat he just forgot
CONNKOROORROROR RD
33 seconds ago. nice
Dude it's so irritating that everyone, "feels bad" for Dream right after he claimed everyone who was working against him was on a smear campaign and publicly shamed them via Twitter, UA-cam and twitch.. ridiculous.
It’s cause of his wittle mental health :(((((
@@isaaccruz1093 ? He says he apologized for the weight of the event he was carrying he never made any big statement bout his mental health like mini ladd or somethin
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It's ridiculous. Everyone sucking up to him too.
Dream: **Cheats on the speedrun of the biggest video game**
People: We cant have you in the world record list, cuz you cheated
Dream: Kittens, you know what to do
Dream stans: **harasses, doxxes, sends death threats to people calling dream out**
Dream: btw I did cheat lmao
Literally everybody for some reason: _Dream is so brave I'm so sad for you bro Imagine having tı deal with people calling you out for your cheating I'm praying for you 😊😊🙏🙏_
I know right he cheated and lied about it people exposed him for it he denied and mocked them then the people who exposed him got harassed and had death threat's then dream goes yeah I cheated then they are like aww its okay dweam baby uwu it's Just a game people make mistakes
Cringe
@@FtNoone Ooooh, one of Dream's kitten.
I forget Dream calls his community kittens, he's like a fucking discord moderator.
@@rockychickengaming6991 Wait, really? I thought this was a joke.
I dont understand why everyone is immediately "oh its the past, dont be hard on yourself". Dream weaponized his fan base and they sent death threats and did so many other bad behaviors. Dream needs to be hard on himself to see what power he actually holds and to not get so defensive. I can understand his side where he thought he did it legit, but he should have considered the chat mode even if he thought it was a chat mod. Why didn't he ask the dev if he managed to change drop rates? He did a horrible thing and deserves the lash back. Sadly his stan base doesn't care and still worships him
You can tell he's still salty towards the mods that removed his speedrun too
He just goes on and on about how he's "still not sure they were unbiased" even though THEY ENDED UP BEING CORRECT. If they're correct, the bias shouldn't even matter anymore lol
He was low-key still trying to blame them instead of taking accountability
this entire situation is made for dream to get more fame, relevance, its so annoying
@@vrabiealexandru2755 if you want solace in all of this. The pay off or the fireworks when his Empire finally crumpled will be glorious
@@peacechan4500 He does give good content though.
@@vrabiealexandru2755 it’s so boring man how do you even watch that
Did anyone catch the fact that people keep saying "he's been through a lot" despite him putting this on himself and deciding to come clean ONLY after 11 months, at that point having made numerous different posts, slandering people and inciting harassment? But hey
wE aLL maKe MistAk3s
dam fucking true plz kiss meo
but this is true. Dream stans r the worst thing i ever seen and they themselfs made the creators look cringy. They r sooo biased and toxic but when they get called out for it dream defends them
His deranged train of thought payed off for him with
1.cheat
2.deny
3.cause drama
4.wait
5.admit to cheating
6.get sympathy
7.profit in every
8.repeat
after 7 months lmao
This is something small, but imagine this kind of mob mentality on something more serious, like ambiguous morality on crimes like terrorism or political scandals
it's so annoying to see people say "oh it's ok"
like no it's not; because of his insistence people were doxed, received death threats, and had other things done to them because they called him our for cheating
he also gaslit millions of people by hiring the astrophysicist and then misrepresented the findings so his stans, who didn't read the paper, would assume that it was somehow feasible for the events to have happened
Mans is spitting facts 🗣
Exactly half of his fanbase are social reject lowlife's who need to grow up
Still not dreams fault. He stated in the end of his response to not harass any of the moderators or bring any kind of hate. As always its the stans fault. But i think dream cant do much about crazy stans, like he is 21 i think, still immature and cant properly handle a million stans... No one can :l
@@leonardoderosa197 he could have come out and said he cheated, whether he meant to or not
@@leonardoderosa197 yeah but he could atleast teach them or atleast tell them to act normal but no he basically rewards their behavior by calling them his kittens
now that dream admitted to cheated everybody who made videos on him now respects him, it’s obvious they’re saying that so dream’s fans don’t attack the people who made videos on it
Fr
Boys, I think it's time we fight back.
They probably didn't even read the whole thing. If you had a mod that increased drop rates and people were accusing you of that you would just check the folder. Post some screenshots and be done. But no.
That's the same thing i was thinking.
@@ThunderlandVT I'll fight the Stan Stans too. I ain't scared of 12 year olds threatening to doxx me.
The most disturbing part about this is that even when admitting he's cheating, he's still trying to spin it in a way that it looks like he "accidentally" cheated.
Says a lot about how narcissistic he is. He went through all that trouble to hire a fake expert and sent his rabid fans out the mods, left it hanging after the evidence was overwhelming against him, and now comes back to apologize 11 months after everything died down and still tries to defend his actions.
ikrrr its so sad shits mad wierd
Look at his UA-cam community tab
I hate how manipulative he is.
But it is possible that he accidentally cheated. He didn't intentionally send his fans after the mods, I mean... Creators always get treated as if any hate they caused towards others was intentional, but it often isn't. It's very likely you just heard that he said he actually cheated, not his explanation. And his explanation wasn't even diverting blame. It was simply explaining his ensuing behaviour, regarding his reaction. He has paid a price for his actions, either way. I just think it's really disingenuous when peeps automatically assume the worst of him. He's not fucking Hitler, but with an army of children.
@OriginalFake by the time he originally found out, the drama was already dead.
I'm honestly just furious about how Dream can weaponize his fanbase and smother anything against him and nobody would bat an eye.
I swear this man could commit a murder, admit it, and still be completely forgiven by the mindless drones that follow him.
dream: no I not *mocks them and gets his fans to attack them* people: *getting harassed and getting death threats and being told to kill themselves* dream: oh yeah I did cheat. his stans: Uwu baby dweam its okay that you cheated its just a game people make mistakes your only human. people who got harassed:😐
That's what I never get about Dream, wether he realizes this or not, his fans are a problem, they always have been, and he barely does anything to stop them. I have been subscribed to a lot of people that aren't Dream that have dealt with situations where their own fans have harresed people or did things in their youtubers name, so they took the time to address it to their fans in a very serious tone to stop (for like 12-30 min) and they work. I don't get why Dream puts in the bare minimum to tell his fans not to be toxic by just saying "Hey don't start drama" in about one or two sentences and leave it at that. Dream and his fan base may be 2 different things but holy shit dude, at least TRY to control your fans. The fans have caused so much damage then Dream just acts like it never existed and they just keep patting him on the back saying that he's just human and humans makes mistakes (or some other dumb excuse)
@@yesimnotcreative6312 they just wouldn't listen lmao
@@yesimnotcreative6312 his fans are so toxic that they would go harrass people in his name and to turn out dream actually cheated
As long as be doesn't say anything homophobic or racist, he's golden.
Dream: “I cheated”
Everyone: *pretends to be shocked*
He did not cheat he just forgot he had a mod
@@trickyzlolz he fucking cheated lmao, even if he "forgot" he still cheated
@@trickyzlolz stop replying that to every comment he literally admitted to cheating
@@trickyzlolz still technically cheating
@@trickyzlolz no he cheated and even admitted to it
"Its painful to see millions of people go after you"
Hey Cordwit, why don't you tell that to GeoSquare who Dream had his 20+mil fanbase publicly humiliate.
CordWit? More like Halfwit!
i hate this whole situation..
I mean CordWit did basically go through the same thing
Bro you're exaggerating I highly doubt all 20 mil viewers went after him.
@@randomplaceinruralamerica9618 when?
Dream stans at first: "he would never cheat" Dream stans now: "he's just human, don't blame him
how dare you say dream is cheating he would never do that😉
@@theegggod8070 even if he did cheat he's only human, its not his fault
@@tyrues1682 so you automatically believe him????
@@tyrues1682 but yeah um okay but he lied to everybody for I think four months and his weird-ass toxic fanbase told people to kill themselves but he's just human yeah it's not his fault he lied and his fans believed him yeah bro
@@theegggod8070 lmao calm down I was being sarcastic
Dream: “i didnt cheat. The mods just hate me”
Dream stans: “yeah we support you dream”
Dream: “i cheated. Oopsie”
Dream stans: “yeah we support you dream”
John Swan gets attacked because he was lying and stringing people along
Dream *does the same thing*: “Oh, what a innocent person, hope he learns from this situation! #ThoughtsPrayers!”
John was calling people slurs. It's not the same.
@@WadeAlma what slurs lol
@@firestorm2699 Wasn't his entire drama because he pretended to be Dream then called his fans slurs and shit?
@@WadeAlma there is currently no proof that john called dream fans slurs and even if there was it was most likely lt cobra
@@firestorm2699 He admitted to it though.
I like how when the guy exposed dream for cheating they sent him death threats and tried to ruin his life but when dream admitted to it, it's nothing but "it's all good" or "thanks for telling the truth"
People on Twitter are so dense
his twitter following is the worst
They also tried coxing geosquare into suicide.
Dude yelled and people thought he was racist. He lived with scrutiny everyday. Him getting exposed was the trap that broke the camels back. I think he likes his Stan’s because they are the only ones that don’t constantly scrutinise him. Honestly I would have cracked and kept lying if I were him, dude went through hell. He’s wrong and deserves criticism but what he needs most is a break from the internet and a therapist
Dream's fanbase is so weird, they would protect this man for however long with so much pride its insane
Same thing with his friends and other creators who won’t call him out for all the shit he said and did and will go after everyone else who called him out
@@darkfang54shadowconcept50 ^^^^^
Basically dream *cheats* people: *expose's* dream: no I not *mocks them and gets his fans to attack them* people: *getting harassed and getting death threats and being told to kill themselves* dream: oh yeah I did cheat. his stans: Uwu baby dweam its okay that you cheated its just a game people make mistakes your only human. people who got harassed:😐
Some of his "friends" are more akin to political alliances than being actual friends
I hate how the stans are acting like dream is the victim. “Omg I’m so glad you get this weight of your shoulders and have been honest with us”. He put the weight on his shoulders and lied for months.
I think most people could care less about him cheating in a game, but the fact him and his stans went SO FAR into literal harassment and death threats is the issue. It's actually insane that a differing opinion, something so childish as cheating in a game, leads to death threats. His fans are unstable.
Yeah I feel like people are blaming dream too much when it was mostly the stans fault. Of course dream still made mistakes too. But the stans took it too far. If dream didnt say "If you send hate to anyone you're no supporter of mine" twitter would have turned into a warzone by now.
@@guoc11 No it is his fault, if you have never heard the phrase actions speak louder than words than let me explain it, when dream says "Don't send hate" in a video but then in that same video dislikes the video before even watching it, and after the video sending hate over twitter that is legitimately him telling every crazy fan of his that you shouldn't listen to my words but instead follow my actions which is the opposite of my words.
Dream: “i didnt cheat. The mods hate me”
Dream friends and stans: “its ok we believe you dweam:3”
Dream: “i cheated. Oops lol”
Dream friends and stans: “its just a game who cares”
Also Dream friends and stans: *doxxes/sends threats/ attacks anyone who called out dream*
As right as you are, kinda puts a negative on your argument when you repost it multiple times
It’s like dream is a religion at this point
don't include his friends here.
“I’ll keep on spreading positivity”
Yeah.....
@Sproot Maybe positive of something else, definetly not feelings
He gonna give STDs
@@joseantoniovargas6548 the most positive at being obsessive
No thanks i dont want corona
lmao this
It's so painful seeing these worthless people tip toe around Dream like he did nothing wrong. Keeping track of all the names mentioned here defending Dream STILL even after he's fully admitted it. You People are the problem.
And the people that draw him like this sexy hung stud, that’s very sick as well, but he’s not much better so he can cry all he wants about the porn that gets drawn of him.
The classic manipulative “love u guys : )” line at the end of every thread.
I swear his herd of sheep are so naive it’s not even funny at this point
It’s dreams most famous brainwashing technique and god damn it’s effective
It's so obviously a cover up it makes the confession look more like he's confessing out of the kindness of his heart
It's the definition of a cult at this point. Worshipping a diety and excusing every wrong action he does while actively denouncing all other nonbelievers and people who disagree
@@theskiesahead795 I fully agree,and the worst part is,most of his stans are minors and can be manipulated very easily,I swear I’ve seen a stan that thinks dream loves them more than their own parents,I don’t think that’s normal
"everyone makes mistakes" yeah everyone just vehemently denies that they were cheating even when given extensive proof and evidence of said cheating, goes on rants about the mod team and insults them in front of their millions of followers, makes a 30 minute video with a fake mathematician in order to retain their credibility, doubles down when called out and doesn't actually call out their stans toxic and abusive behavior. oh, did i mention that when they finally "admit" to cheating, they just make up excuses in order to garner sympathy? yeah, everyone just makes mistakes dream!!
i mean everybody does make mistakes most people make way more serious mistakes that arent just about twitter and minecraft lol. if you took a random person and had millions and millions of people watching their every move like a hawk you would be able to compile a book about all the mistakes they made and act like they are the scum of the earth. when in reality nobodies perfect and most people are flawed and do similarly stupid stuff in their personal life. especially most of the people on their high horse when talking about e celebrities. Dream should be held accountable for his actions, and deserves to be critiqued; but yes he is a human and humans make mistakes.
@@antiform47 he does deserve to be on the harsher side of criticism after the shit geosquare went through. And i dont think he said sorry for that not to mention his failure to keep his stans on a leash. Just because it was on twitter doesnt mean it was less bad of a situation then if it was real life. Death threats his stans were sending people is a big enough red flag for him to stop endorsing them,and yet he continues the cycle.
antiform47 yes everyone makes mistakes, but how you own up to them is most important. If you’re gonna lie to your own fans for months and deny obvious and blatant claims, you turn that mistake into something much worse. Thats what flat earthers do
Bullying dream stans is morally correct
I was playing pro CSGO and i ACIDENTALLY HAD AIMBOT AND WALL HACKS, but it’s all good cuz I didn’t know
As usual, a lot of people lose sight of what is the real problem in this "drama". It's not the cheating part, because it's really just the problem for the minecraft's community. But the problem is Dream's attitude and responses, his FRIENDS' attitude and lastly their stans. i agree with Rod Breslau 10:18 for this part.
Wow, this whole event was a rollercoaster. All I can say is that its super strange Dream defended himself so loudly and brazenly since Geosquare's video only to portray himself only being soft and kind the whole time in the apology, even when he was admitting he was unfair and rude at times. It forms a disconnect that's off-putting. That might just be me though.
Hey bro i forgot that i a speedrunner who has sped run the game multiple times forgot to put this one sneaky mod in the mod folder such a goof sorry i didnt know that i had thag mod in a folder
cuz he’s a prick lol, simple as that
He said he regrets it, but he could be lying tho
I think he isnt lying tho
Simple answer: hes an egotistical asshole
@@stupid5156 keep swearing
The fact that so many people are easily letting this go is sad. Dream and his toxic stans (not all stans, only the stans who attacked other people) didn't make a mistake, they made a HORRIBLE decision that shouldn't have happened in the first place
Edit: Another thing that doesn’t make sense is that other streamers/content creators and even Dream’s friends are letting go easily as well
I have a feeling that he intentionally admitted to it now of all times because the upcoming MCC tournament will distract the community from this drama in the first place
nah, all stans. all stans are degenerative
@@thenextgeneration9030 not all stans are toxic but in Dream’s case a HUGE number of them are and that’s a problem. Dream talks about how he always tells his fans to stop being toxic which we all know thats BS because if that was true then a lot less of his fans will be toxic right now.
@@warriorlegend7903 no, the stans are toxic, the fans are okay. stans ≠ fans
@@jbbajangamer oh okay I thought a Stan was a fan who went the extra mile to support a creator like fan art or donations. Thank you for clearing that up for me
People who say "so what if he cheated, its just a game", I get that its just a game but if you feel the need to cheat in any sort of activity there might be and underlying self-esteem or ego issues
That and people spend years upon years speedrunning legitimately to get high in the leaderboards
It's unfair he tried to cheat and replace someone who WORKED for their place
And now his bootlickers are mocking those who legitimately care about minecraft speedrunning and making jokes about how it's "just Minecraft"
Like yeah, it is, but cheating in competitive gaming is still unfair
Dream: I didn’t Cheat
Dream Stans: OMG THE MOD TEAM ARE JUST HATERS PAPA DREAM IS INCAPABLE OF LYING
Dream: I cheated
Dream Stans: HE JUST ADMITTING HIS FAULTS HES A BIGGER MAN THAN ALL OF YOU GO OFF KING 👑
so true bro
i fucking hate dream stans
i would prob watch dream almost everyday but his stans just make him look bad
Conclusion: Dream stans are shit
@@ThunderlandVT the thing is some of the kpop stans r from dream stans aswell
I don't understand why everyone is being so light-hearted about this.
Whether it was a mistake or not, Dream unwittingly caused a lot of grief on various ends, and should be put to the fire. In the event that he was wasn't purposefully cheating, as the commenter at 6:17 said, Dream should've noticed that his run was off and should've refrained from posting it.
... I'm lead to believe that Dream purposefully did cheat, however; this is a speed runner, we're talking about. We all remember the mob vote, and how he told his fanbase to vote for Glow Squid; he wouldn't care about the mob's actual uses, so long as it didn't interfere with his speed runs. It, then, took him nearly a year to come clean and apologize!
Either he was very naive, or he didn't expect to for all the Twitter drama to spin out of control (I'm more on the latter). One thing's for certain, though: people are cutting him *way* too much slack. :/
Couldn't have said it better myself
@@thecoomler9921 I may have been a bit biased myself (which is totally rich, coming from I, the OP. Lol), but my point still stands. Perhaps Dream isn't so bad a person, but after all the drama spilled over, there's no way I can think positively about Dream without bringing his character into question.
Being someone who's inherently cautious about my sense of character, I tend to scrutinize people for small things. However, those small things do add up into an ugly mess; what unfolded was all of the build up spinning out of control, and hurting a lot of people after it got out. In the end, no matter Dream's intentions, this was all his fault and he should be held to a higher standard than what some of the big figures are holding him to.
At that time mod was still a chat mod.
It was under development and was being done on the server side.
The fabric api log also did not mention it.
He was either aware of what he was doing. Or he straight went along with it, with a naive look. In my opinion he was aware of what he was doing. But really if it ain’t for his sheep herd Stan fan base. Dream would’ve been criticized very much to the point.
Be real, everything he's done _except_ the mob vote was awful. Face the fact: most Minecraft UA-camrs tried to sway the vote. It's just what happens when you let people decide things. If people considered Dream a good enough reason to vote for the glow squid, then that's what they voted for. It's not like he threatened them into it or something. People had the choice of what to vote for every step of the way. Also, remember that Dream's fanbase isn't the entire Minecraft community. 22 million is not actually equal to 130 million, believe it or not, and even then you have to think that every last one of his subscribers voted, and voted how he told them to. I was subscribed to him until it came out that he cheated (The first time; I'm not an idiot), and I for one would have voted for whatever the fuck I wanted. We're getting the cave update and all you shits care about is that they're adding a squid instead of a cow or whatever.
The most ironic part is that john swan is one of the people who's empathic to him.
How things change.
Redemption arc?
@@youdarnweebsgetoffmylawn No he is a Snake.
@@spritvio639 I know, I was just memeing
It’s like everyone got hit with the mind erase thingy from men in black because it looks like they forgot how much hate and how many death treats people got from dream stans just because we said he cheated, and not only from his stans even from dream himself
The fact that Dream still stated Mods as *"Clout Chasers"* *"Biassed"* is just wrong its as if hes playing the Victim man basically said with the Whole document *"Mouds are annowying UwU. I nwever thought i hwad the Mwod on UwU please forgwive me ill twickle your Bawls*
You talk like the click
Lol i read it like how iddubz reads when hes mocing someone
He keeps saying that he does these speedruns “ For Fun and Entertainment ” which is fine, but the problem is if that's the case then why did he bother to make a whole reply to defend himself, spend almost a year lieing about it, and let his fans and him himself attack other people? That's not someone doing this just for fun, bruv.
Wholeheartedly agree default Jake
He also posts his speedrun on professional competitive speed running sites. If it's just for fun he wouldn't post it
If he did them for fun he wouldn't have submitted them, and if you haven't noticed yet he still mad at the mods, the paste bin mentions multiple times how 'clumsy' 'imprecise' yada yada every thing he could possible say mean about the mods, he is obviously salty which wouldn't be the case if he actually didn't care about official speedrunning. Also if he didn't care about official speedrunning then he wouldn't have tried to submit a 1.15 run a few days before he 'admitted' to cheating only for it to be denied automatically on accounts of him being banned from the speedrunning community.
Also that is the reason he 'admitted to cheating' was because he wanted to be like "See it was an accident and I admitted to it, now unban me" personally hope he stays banned, it is the one punishment he has gotten in this whole ordeal.
Ironically Dream took a page outta John Swan's book💯
As someone who defended him for the idea that people really can get extremely lucky (myself included with the entire skip of Ocarina of time that i still cant replicate nor have seen anyone else do and still unofficially consider myself the WR holder of fastest completionist of it) I can admit when im wrong and its absolutely baffling that someone would take a cheat and spread it like its the truth. I personally take the route of trusting people until proven a liar and with dream I can say that he was definitely in the wrong.
The first dream supporter that ive seen that’s actually like: look I believed him and i was wrong. Thats a very mature response that you’ll almost never see from dreams fanbase
@@juliusvdl2204 Tbh I never knew who he was before the whole cheating thing. I just looked at it in the same light I'd like someone to look at it as if it were me.
I too defended Dream and thought his luck was amazing, but now that the truths come out, I'm just disappointed in myself and in dream. I don't even care if he cheated or not, but the reason I'm mad is because he lied to a whole entire community. people that accused dream for cheating got constant hate and death threats, but now that dream admitted it, all he stans are so forgiving like it's not even a big deal, but when his stans sent people death threats everything was ok. Bullshit. all the hate and backlash dream is getting are what he deserves. Dream stans worship him so it makes a lot of sense that they would easily forgive him.
oh
This reminds me of the John Swan situation
John admits to lying and everyone dogs on him, including his friends and fans
Dream admits to lying and his friends and fans continue to suck on him
I wish my brain was that dumb to understand these double standards
They do it because they want to leech everything from him. I have never heard any of these channels till they decided to join Dream. They know without Dream, then they will be nothing.
@Themeder it’s because Dream is carrying them. In the future, Dream can’t carry people forever.
@Themeder all these new minecraft youtubers are all just the most untalented boring people man, the only people who watch them are horny girls
@@StitchdTeeth That’s pretty rude, i mean just because like Tommy or Tubbo didn’t make their channel in like 2009 doesn’t mean they’re bad atleast give them a chance.
"Guys I'm only doing this for fun! I'm not a professional speedrunner!!"
*cheats in a game about blocks, submits the cheating run in a community where people spend most of their days analyzing technical details, and lies for 7 to 11 months*
"Uh, well you see, I accidentally left some mods on while preparing to speedrun. Anyways positivity yeah! 💓💓💓"
See guys? Don't worry, it was all just for fun! He was just doing a little trolling for almost a year, you see. Y'know, as you do.
Heh
Someone said dream didn’t know how to code I think, but that at both ends that doesn’t make sense because if he didn’t know how to code and asked someone to code for him, that means he would of “accidentally” left a mod for a video he didn’t record or upload 🤨 1/2
2/2 if he did know how to code, he would of codes for higher chance drops, and for some reason put the mod in Minecraft folders and forget he had those mods? If he had forgotten those mods and then got called out for, he would’ve admitted it sooner for not realizing he had those mods and that would’ve stopped the major harassment people got for calling him out.
You can even say, he participated in a bit of... *tomfoolery*
"Behold"
"the harvard astrophysician I hired to write an entire report all just for my speedrun"
"for fun"
It’s so sad that he cheated, but of course his stans will still defend him.
He did not cheat he just forgot he had a mod
And I’m not a Stan it’s just a fact
@@trickyzlolz bruh-
@@trickyzlolz that is still cheating
@@trickyzlolz What?
You know if he kept lying everyone would have just eventually forgot about it
Their is no point to this everyone is going to forget about it and dream is going to go on with his life and still have millions of subscribers and views it’s why I never truly understood UA-cam drama like is it really drama if people are mad for a week
@@flviir not really it’s not like this drama will go anywhere
@@flviir punished for what all he did was cheat not like he was a pedophile and it’s like all drama once your a big enough youtuber you can get away with anything that’s why I never take cancel culture seriously
@@flviir ok and complaining and getting angry isn’t going to right those wrongs after 2020 the whole arguing with people over politics or in this case getting mad over shit that’s gonna phase out I’m done doing that what’s the point of getting mad if like my second comment said if it isn’t going to amount to nothing all he has to do is make another manhunt appear in another mr beast video and all is forgotten
His fanbase has hurt LITERALLY EVERYONE who speaks of his name in a slightly negative light.
When "only a minority" do that, you have to consider your subscriber count, that ratio ends up being a surprising amount of people.
Has he ever apologized for what his fanbase has done to some people?!!
@Dr. Niko His fanbase again and again sends death threats to people but he turns around and says ItS a MiNorItY ThAt mAKes uS AlL loOk bAd and justifies their behavior. Even the ones who aren't that bad in comparison get their actions justified by that.
Saying not to attack them is fine and all that's great, I'm glad he can do that. But he just says don't *attack people,* and doesn't seem to really understand how far they'd go.
For all the Dream stans that called me a dumbass and bashed me when I believed that Dream cheated. Thank you for making feel so much better about being right 😌😌.
@@shiny4102 he said he apologized to geosquare and the rest so if it's true it's already that and it doesn't have to be brought publicly
@@shiny4102 No he said "Don't send Hate" but then proceeds to dislike a video he hasn't even watched, and send a hate tweet, literally right after saying that, actions speak louder than words my friends.
@Dr. Niko No he said "Don't send Hate" but then proceeds to dislike a video he hasn't even watched, and send a hate tweet, literally right after saying that, actions speak louder than words my friends.
What baffles me the most, is how Dream saw how his fanbase harrased and sent death threats to the mod team, and he just sat there watching knowing fair well he was lying.
Dream is literally the worst case of fame-swollen head since Fortnite Ninja
Man Dream stans really are a different breed. Dream can *never* be wrong in any way shape or form.
Gotta love how whenever the heat dies down THEN he admits to cheating.
love how john swan immediately got butthurt. the reason everyone was so up in arms about john is because he's a commentator, someone who's supposed to be credible. he also lied to close friends on purpose and created this entire fanfare. we all knew dream was full of shit. dream lying about a speed run is a lot different than john swan creating a fake disabled child to excuse himself
They both reaaaly messed up, and caused damages to 3rd parties for selfish gains.
John Swan just couldn't rat weasle his way out.
"admitting fault" when he says it was unintentional multiple times and after like 11 months? you kidding?
"I'm not a speedrunner"
his titles:
"Minecraft Speedrunner vs Hunter"
Maybe don't say you're one then.
Reject Dream...
.....Return to Stampylonghead.
YES
Y E S.
Dream could say hard R, blame it on blacks and his stans will defend him.
Strange analogy, but you’ve got the spirit!
@@lil_pan46 He's out of line, but he is right
@@joseantoniovargas6548 No no he's got a point
@@padf-shrimpy1019 Oh look at the little Dream jr, you're gonna cry? (Bully Macguire intensifies). In case you don't get it since you cannot hear the tone of written words, im just joking. Memes are hte best way to laugh
@@joseantoniovargas6548 You need to calm your horses my guy, the person you responded to was doing a reference and it was obviously supposed to be a joke in line with the previous 2 comments.
I wonder what the odds are of “accidentally” cheating
1 in 7 trillion
Pretty high actually. But this isn't fucking accidental. It's just a lame ass excuse to try and save face after he realized people wouldn't forget about the cheating fiasco.
We all know dream isn’t going to learn from this and he is going to weaponize his fan base the next time he gets into any sort of controversy.
I still think it's hilarious it took him this long to realize it was a mod he deliberately used for his manhunt series. It was the simplest game of connect the dots he could have played, but nah contact an astrophysicist lol
One thing that frustrates me is that a majority of his fans will keep watching. Most are there because of the streams and multiple hunters series, I don't think most kids (or teens because of the stans) would turn someone they deem a hero. Really wild that alot of people out there are now genuinely seeing online content creators as role models/heroes.
I love how back when the drama started, all of the stans were hard defending him, saying that he didn't cheat, and now that he admitted several months later, they're saying "it's ok, its just a game king"
wtf
My dog unfortunately passed away recently, i have just watched so many old videos on your channel. This is channel has kept me distracted and made me think of something else. Thanks man, keep up the good work.
sorry for your loss man i too recently lost a pet he was my whole world. go and have fun with Friends and family, talk about it with them, get something to keep your dogs memory alive, i promise you it will get better. after i did all of that i was left with a new positive outlook on life and i hope you are left with one too.
@@charizardboss4299 thanks for the kind words and thanks for the advice, i will tru to follow it. I’m sorry for your loos to.
sorry for your loss
I ain’t surprised with this. Dream was aware of what he was doing. He wanted to scapegoat his way out and doing all this shit to prove that his bull was the truth. And now that he admits it. He can basically go on his way and make his moves with His Stan fan base who have no independent thought and act like sheep and repeat what other Stan says and forgive him for the fact he stalled 9 months to admit that he cheated.
I can’t believe Dream would do this to Dunkey
I don’t think Dream understands how much of an influence he has, and he definitely doesn’t understand how to control his fan base. It was selfish and pointless if Dream to cheat, and because of his ridiculous fan base he won’t have any consequences. Whether he realizes it or not, cheating and keeping this hidden is setting a horrible example.
To be brutally honest, I think Dream should just be completely deplatformed off of UA-cam (even though we all know that won't ever happen) because he *clearly* weponizing and abusing his fanbase for his own sake and the sheer amount of controversy he's been in from seemingly month to month.
Either that or he's just *extremely* irresponsible. Especially for a guy that apparently researched the UA-cam algorithm.
It's not even up to the stans to decide. It's up to *the mod team that was harassed into nearly disbanding because Dream couldn't admit to cheating*
It’s amazing that his rabid fanbase will still defend him saying “we all make mistakes.” HE LITERALLY LIED TO EVERYONE! HE CALLED THE ACCUSERS “clout chasers” WHEN THEY WERE RIGHT, HE CHEATED!
dream: no I not *mocks them and gets his fans to attack them* people: *getting harassed and getting death threats and being told to kill themselves* dream: oh yeah I did cheat. his stans: Uwu baby dweam its okay that you cheated its just a game people make mistakes your only human. people who got harassed:😐
Dream: I’ll keep on spreading positivity :)
Also dream: Harasses the mod team with his stans
Dream stans : “hE dInDnT ChEaT, wE bELiEvE u DwEaM :3”
Dream stans now: “iTs jUsT A GaMe”
"eVeRyOnE mAkEs MiStAkEs"
dream: no I not *mocks them and gets his fans to attack them* people: *getting harassed and getting death threats and being told to kill themselves* dream: oh yeah I did cheat. his stans: Uwu baby dweam its okay that you cheated its just a game people make mistakes your only human. people who got harassed:😐
“Hey George, I’m making an apology and I need an excuse for it to be cryptic and confusing”
“Just say you made it in your bath”
“Oh damn why didn’t I think of that”
"Your a genius, George!"
Who is George 🌚
I like how he cheated, but his fan base still defends him. They need to hold him accountable.
Sadly i highly doubt it will happen, as most of his fan base is made of 12 year olds. Dream probably knows this.
dream: no I not *mocks them and gets his fans to attack them* people: *getting harassed and getting death threats and being told to kill themselves* dream: oh yeah I did cheat. his stans: Uwu baby dweam its okay that you cheated its just a game people make mistakes your only human. people who got harassed:😐
@@YourLocalGamer_YLG thats what I'm sayin
Man imagine going to school for a long time and becoming an astrophysicist
And some guy asks you to validate his mine craft speedrun time
THATS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING!
Like what kinda of Harvard professor has time to do this shit?
@@vee9878 exactly
He should be more focused on space related shit
And somehow get it wrong. Like bruh, either don't do it or do it right.
Dream: *I didn't cheat*
His stans: *yes*
Dream: *I cheated*
His stans: OH EVERYONE MAKES MISTAKES
Dream could rob a bank and have everyone would still defend his actions.
It's very telling that even when Dream is confessing about cheating he has to word it in a way that makes come off as stupid. As if he did not realize that he's been using a program that makes his speed running easier for the past few months. That's total bullshit. Everybody knows what they download when playing this game. Why people have forgiven him already is beyond me.
Dream gonna rig the presidential elections next and his stans will still defend him lmao
Hmmmmmm...
Daily Dose really making Dream think about his entire existence though.
Did you see his community post? Mans making his hole deeper and deeper
"don't believe everything you hear or seee" yea ok then i dont believe you cheating was an accident
He’s so good at speedrunning it took him 11 months to realize he cheated
Dream will defend himself, paint the mods as unprofessional, act like a man child and now blame his emotions and ego....
Dream stans: he’s so brave for admitting it and it’s fine we all make mistakes also dream stans when someone argues with him sending death threats
Dream Stans: "We all make mistakes"
So True. Just ask their parents.
Honestly, the tweet that has me laughing the most is “if you read it it says he _didn’t mean to-_ “
The fact that he deflected blame onto a mod he installed, updated and used regularly means he knew right away what happened. He also never apologized in a document meant to apologize. It wasn't me guys, it was the mod I installed.
He also talks about not attacking the moderators and that every is great again, but includes a call to action for his Stans. Why else include, I don't the moderators were nice enough to me. That should not be included in a statement where you claim it is done. Anyone praising Dream will cringe in 5 years when they realize the reality of his ignorance.
6:15 "Takes some bravery to admit you were wrong after all that."
It does, but Dream also wrote it in a way that screams "give me pity." Which is exactly what most of these Twitter replies do; give him pity by calling it a "mistake."
If Dream had been really brave, he wouldn't have written it to be a "sympathize with me" short story. The entire thing could have been a paragraph and still explains all of his points, but he knew he wouldn't have gotten all of this pity and sympathy.
I swear, It's like he's a 4 year old or something, he did horrible things and now everybody is like "omg you're so brave 😭😭" like wtf
Damn he can not take the slightest bit of criticism without deleting his tweet
Dream: I didn’t cheat
All of his friends: I bewev yu miter drem
Dream:I cheated
Friends: is ok champ we all make mistakes and lie to our fan base for half a year or more uwu
"I could've kept lying, but I didnt. Why arent you singing my praises!?!?!"
“Stop being to hard on yourself”
What! How is he being hard on his self lmao. The mods deserve this kind of kindness
I think it wouldn't have been as big if he just admitted to cheating. That being said, I find this whole situation so fkin hilarious. The internet is a wonderful place
Stans then: Oh dear, oh dear. Gorgeous
Stans now: Oh dear, oh dear. Gorgeous
I feel a burning hatred towards Dream now more than ever, how come John Swan gets a ton of flak, insults and loosing friends when he admits, but when Dream does it, he just gets a slap on the wrist and compliments?
Not fair if you ask me. Very hypocritical.
Cuz his fans are a bunch of 10-15 year olds
Tbh what John swan did was worse but at least he came clean a lot faster than dream did and yet he suffered much more consequences while dream just get a bunch of compliments by his stans while the UA-camrs are too afraid to get death treats and losing subs that they are force to compliment him and not call out the stans hypocrisy.
Facts
Dream is also getting insult is he not? To be fair I do t have Twitter and I’m mostly part of the commentators community then dreams. Also didn’t he get doxxed and also get death threats. I just think dream doesn’t say it but I think it’s pretty obvious
this whole situation reminds me what kind of world do we live in people will not say we accept your apology or we don't accept your apology without make it about themselves
His 20+ million subscribers full of kids are influenced by his actions. He basically taught and groomed 20 million kids(size of a small country) that lying is okay, that people would even praise you for it. And that is a crime against humanity.
Just because it's "da blockie game" doesn't discourage the fact that he called the debunkers (who were right) liars when he himself was one, and sent his fan base after them. I don't hate Dream, but he doesn't seem like a person with a lot of morals.
dream: no I not *mocks them and gets his fans to attack them* people: *getting harassed and getting death threats and being told to kill themselves* dream: oh yeah I did cheat. his stans: Uwu baby dweam its okay that you cheated its just a game people make mistakes your only human. people who got harassed:😐
Dream really lied for months and calling the mods ''clout chasers'' and now people are saying ''oh it's okay dream we all make mistakes''
its ok because they are his wholesome kittens that wouldn't harm/doxx anyone
Oh god the dream stans are gonna raid
"respect for coming clean"
Comes clean 11 months after when most people have forgotten
Dream could admit he kidnapped and tortured multiple people to death and his stans would still say "Please don't send hate to him, he's been through a lot and this is just his way of coping"
Hypothetically, he could text a kid weird thinga and his stans would be like "he's just trying to find love"
I don't think anyone would have given two shits about whether or not Dream cheated... The problem was how Dream escalated the issue way farther than he had to.
And I really don't like how people were saying, "Everyone makes mistakes, Dream! Don't worry!"
I think there is a difference between an honest mistake and abusing your power to silence those who dared accuse you, Dream.
Also, why bring this up MONTHS LATER?!? It took Dream several months to find out that he had "accidentally" cheated on his speedrun. I call bullshit on that. This may not be true but I think Dream did it for clout. Dream must have realized that he was slowly becoming less and less relevant, so he decided to admit that he actually did cheat in order to be in the spotlight once more. (This is just a theory, so don't take it seriously.)