@@AndyFromm only problem is the power steering pump you have may be able to use an old Chevy style off the serp belt, I’ve been working on parts planning for a farmall 400 or mta
@@austinschad1773 I'm hoping to get going on a 400 this winter and eventually converting my m to smta. I'll just use a priority valve on the "smta", 400 had the option for a built in priority valve for steering.
@@Corvacar it's putting out about 150hp over the 264 so I think its a little over twice the power. I've beat on this for 7 years and had no issues so far.
Good for You ! I am glad to read that. I deal with both IH and, MH and MF. The Massey 44, with it’s much stronger gears and shafts turning on tapered roller bearings, would be a good candidate for vastly increased HP.
So , from what I'm understanding, you're saying that two bolt holes in the M's engine plate lined up perfectly? Then you welded up the other holes , and transfered the new Cummins holes??? Also is there enough meat on the factory M flywheel to turn and put the 12 inch clutch disk in it? There aren't many bigger number series tractors in my area to track down a flywheel from
From what I remember on the engine plate, yes the 2 holes lined up. I'm not sure if I said in this video but the the original flywheel was an early m 11", the 2nd flywheel is a super m/super m ta/400/450 12" flywheel. Outside dimension are identical. I guess it may be possible to turn the early m flywheel bigger but I wouldn't recommend it. You don't have to run the 12" clutch flywheel, I ran the 11" for 6 years but recently started tractor pulling & turned it up to around 250hp and it would no longer hold the power. Also I don't recommend using these flywheels in higher than stock rpms.
@@AndyFromm Thanks. I have an industrial 4B engine. Might add a low pressure turbo to it for better economy , not 250 HP. The factory M gasser has plentiful HP but is expensive to run. Can run the 4B on about anything that will catch on 🔥 fire.
As far as the inj pump,.. ouch.. Ive grenaded one or two before also...one from a bad batch wmo..and the other was a heavily modded pump that let go..fuel supply pressure issue perhaps 🤔..idk..but anyway 👍👍
The only thing that I can think of is when I split the tractor, one of the spade connector didn't get in quite right making the fuel solenoid loose power at 3500 rpms 🤷 it wouldn't start the moring after I swapped pumps and the solenoid had no power, seemed to be a bad spade connection.
The I pulled the hydraulics because they didn't work very well on here and the early pump didn't fit the bigger flywheel/clutch. I still have the pto and use it to mow my lawn. Thanks, I appreciate it 👍
So you're using a "M" engine plate modified to the Cummins then mated to the tractor? No adapter plates? Stock flywheel or Cummins? Why use the 560 plate? Thicker? Also you could mount a 12v hydraulic pump to the tractor for cheap. They come with a reservoir and everything
Farmall plate modified to mate to cummins. Stock farmall/ih flywheel redrilled with 0.5" spacer adapter. 560 seemed slightly thicker but was only used here for a pattern for next farmsll/ih-cummins swap. Can run a hydralic pump on the engine, I'll be doing that with the next modifications and use rear end as resevoir.
Hey brother, I like your videos! Very informational! I’m looking to re-power, my Farmall 300 with a 4bt Cummins I can’t find anything on the Internet about this particular swap do you think it’s possible? I understand the 300 is similar to the H?…. I don’t know if that helps. Thank you in advance.
I would think an 300 would be similar to my m but less room. The frame rails are closer together but I'm not sure how much. H, sH, 300, 350 would all be pretty similar. I'm pretty sure I've seen one online before but its been a while. I would think its do able. Thanks Adam, I appreciate it and good luck 👍
The H series in succession: H with 152 Cubic Inch Engine. Super H with 164, 300 with 169 and 350 with 175 Cubic Inches. With very little changing a 350 Engine will fit in an H. They’re all in the same basic family.
@@codydunham2283 i don't know if I have a video on here, I tapped the existing holes, thread locked bolts in, cut them flush, redrilled new holes in the correct location.
@@ronzezulka6646 that part wasn't terrible but I had to fix alot in between pulls and I didn't really get anything else done. I always have a to do list a mile long lol
@@AndyFromm Great!! I like the videos of you pulling it!! I'm look to purchased a 4BT... Found a rebuilt/ parts one for $1K... What is a good price?? Looks like I need a few injector pump!!
👍... what's the flywheel from..?.. eventually I'd like to install one of my 6BT in my 1206...for shits and gigs..obviously I know it's a different animal than the M.. there's an outfit not far that has built adapters and such for those sort of swaps...but..I think I May have inquired on a previous video..but anyway 👍👍
So my original flywheel was an early m 11", the second is a super m/smta/400/450 flywheel. I think you could use a 1466/1486 or equivalent flywheel and have some light machine work done to bolt it to a 6bt using a redrilled gas rear engine plate if I remember correctly. If we ever get my buddies 1086 out of here, we might 6bt his 756 gas.
@@AndyFromm have you done much looking into the 756 swap? I have a 706 gas I’d like to swap but am just like everyone else not wanting to buy a 2500-3000$ adapter kit if it’s possible to mix and match old parts! Any knowledge would be awesome!
@@josephprohaska7755 I haven't done one yet but I have been taking measurements for swapping my buddy's gas 756. From what I see, modify the stock gas plate some. Use a 66/86 (400 series) fylwheel and open it up just a hair where it goes onto the crank and redrill to the fit the cummins.
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Had the same thing happen to me on my 52’ Super A, clutch full of mouse nest 😂 and acorns and feed corn 😅
Enjoyed this as always. Been watching your pulls also. Keep up the good work
Thanks Tim👍
Big job, but it worked, nice job Andy👍🏻
Thanks 👍
they make hydraulic pumps that bolt on where the power steering pump is
Would be a better solution because would be live hydraulics
I know. I have a few adapter but didn't get a pump yet. I will do that on the next revision.
@@AndyFromm only problem is the power steering pump you have may be able to use an old Chevy style off the serp belt, I’ve been working on parts planning for a farmall 400 or mta
@@austinschad1773 I'm hoping to get going on a 400 this winter and eventually converting my m to smta. I'll just use a priority valve on the "smta", 400 had the option for a built in priority valve for steering.
Cool! I have a super M. great power. this must be twice as powerful!
Maybe a tad more 😉 thanks 👍
The final drive of the M series was barely comfortable with the 264 Engine over the straight M. That’s just what You need is twice the Power.
@@Corvacar it's putting out about 150hp over the 264 so I think its a little over twice the power. I've beat on this for 7 years and had no issues so far.
Good for You ! I am glad to read that. I deal with both IH and, MH and MF. The Massey 44, with it’s much stronger gears and shafts turning on tapered roller bearings, would be a good candidate for vastly increased HP.
@Corvacar i sled pull with a guy i believe he runs a massy 44 with a very healthy v8. Makes mine look stock on the track
So , from what I'm understanding, you're saying that two bolt holes in the M's engine plate lined up perfectly? Then you welded up the other holes , and transfered the new Cummins holes??? Also is there enough meat on the factory M flywheel to turn and put the 12 inch clutch disk in it? There aren't many bigger number series tractors in my area to track down a flywheel from
From what I remember on the engine plate, yes the 2 holes lined up.
I'm not sure if I said in this video but the the original flywheel was an early m 11", the 2nd flywheel is a super m/super m ta/400/450 12" flywheel. Outside dimension are identical. I guess it may be possible to turn the early m flywheel bigger but I wouldn't recommend it. You don't have to run the 12" clutch flywheel, I ran the 11" for 6 years but recently started tractor pulling & turned it up to around 250hp and it would no longer hold the power.
Also I don't recommend using these flywheels in higher than stock rpms.
@@AndyFromm
Thanks. I have an industrial 4B engine. Might add a low pressure turbo to it for better economy , not 250 HP. The factory M gasser has plentiful HP but is expensive to run. Can run the 4B on about anything that will catch on 🔥 fire.
@@coburnlowman you should have no problem with either clutch then, that will make a nice tractor 👍
As far as the inj pump,.. ouch.. Ive grenaded one or two before also...one from a bad batch wmo..and the other was a heavily modded pump that let go..fuel supply pressure issue perhaps 🤔..idk..but anyway 👍👍
The only thing that I can think of is when I split the tractor, one of the spade connector didn't get in quite right making the fuel solenoid loose power at 3500 rpms 🤷 it wouldn't start the moring after I swapped pumps and the solenoid had no power, seemed to be a bad spade connection.
@@AndyFromm ohh no!!!!.. ouch
Yeah couple $k wire connector if that was it..😢
Will u have a place we’re we can buy the pattern for the plate
I'll have to look into it but I don't now.
Love your work! You took out hydraulic, do you still have pto on that setup?
The I pulled the hydraulics because they didn't work very well on here and the early pump didn't fit the bigger flywheel/clutch.
I still have the pto and use it to mow my lawn.
Thanks, I appreciate it 👍
So you're using a "M" engine plate modified to the Cummins then mated to the tractor? No adapter plates? Stock flywheel or Cummins? Why use the 560 plate? Thicker? Also you could mount a 12v hydraulic pump to the tractor for cheap. They come with a reservoir and everything
Farmall plate modified to mate to cummins.
Stock farmall/ih flywheel redrilled with 0.5" spacer adapter.
560 seemed slightly thicker but was only used here for a pattern for next farmsll/ih-cummins swap.
Can run a hydralic pump on the engine, I'll be doing that with the next modifications and use rear end as resevoir.
Hey brother, I like your videos! Very informational! I’m looking to re-power, my Farmall 300 with a 4bt Cummins I can’t find anything on the Internet about this particular swap do you think it’s possible? I understand the 300 is similar to the H?…. I don’t know if that helps. Thank you in advance.
I would think an 300 would be similar to my m but less room. The frame rails are closer together but I'm not sure how much. H, sH, 300, 350 would all be pretty similar. I'm pretty sure I've seen one online before but its been a while. I would think its do able.
Thanks Adam, I appreciate it and good luck 👍
The 300 is a slightly upgraded and refined Super H with classy Sheet Metal and TA. Otherwise little difference.
The H series in succession: H with 152 Cubic Inch Engine. Super H with 164, 300 with 169 and 350 with 175 Cubic Inches. With very little changing a 350 Engine will fit in an H. They’re all in the same basic family.
Where do I find myself one of those frame cradle thing?
I'm sure someone sells them, I built them.
When you changed the flywheels..........did you stll need to use the spacer/adapter between the crankshaft and the flywheel?
Yes, the 2 flywheels were exactly the same except the new one takes a bigger clutch. Both need the spacer.
What was the 12” flywheel off of?
Late super m, super mta, 400, 450
@@AndyFromm Thank you! How was that flywheel modified to fit the Cummins pattern?
@@codydunham2283 i don't know if I have a video on here, I tapped the existing holes, thread locked bolts in, cut them flush, redrilled new holes in the correct location.
Mower days are over. Never seen a lawnmower with frame connectors anyway.
I mowed a few times with it this year because everything else was broke or in use 😄
@@AndyFromm Where do you primarily pull? I'm in Wisconsin.
@@ronzezulka6646 closest I've been that way is Montgomery MN. I don't know how many I will go to this year. I got kinda burnt out last year
@@AndyFromm Understandable. I sponsor a modified 4x4 pulling truck. Lots of money involved.
@@ronzezulka6646 that part wasn't terrible but I had to fix alot in between pulls and I didn't really get anything else done. I always have a to do list a mile long lol
Pretty Clutch!!
Thanks, and it works alot better
@@AndyFromm Great!! I like the videos of you pulling it!! I'm look to purchased a 4BT... Found a rebuilt/ parts one for $1K... What is a good price?? Looks like I need a few injector pump!!
@@r.hazelwood4885 $1k for a good runner wouldn't be bad but. Most people as 3 times that. Injection pumps are expensive.
@@r.hazelwood4885 you been watching my shorts of pulling it?
@@AndyFromm nope, how do i get them
👍... what's the flywheel from..?.. eventually I'd like to install one of my 6BT in my 1206...for shits and gigs..obviously I know it's a different animal than the M.. there's an outfit not far that has built adapters and such for those sort of swaps...but..I think I May have inquired on a previous video..but anyway 👍👍
So my original flywheel was an early m 11", the second is a super m/smta/400/450 flywheel. I think you could use a 1466/1486 or equivalent flywheel and have some light machine work done to bolt it to a 6bt using a redrilled gas rear engine plate if I remember correctly. If we ever get my buddies 1086 out of here, we might 6bt his 756 gas.
@@AndyFromm 👍👍ten four feller..if I ever get around to doing that swap some day.. maybe I'll reach out to you somehow... thanks for the videos 👍👊
@@elroyelblander6277 sounds good, thanks Elroy
@@AndyFromm have you done much looking into the 756 swap? I have a 706 gas I’d like to swap but am just like everyone else not wanting to buy a 2500-3000$ adapter kit if it’s possible to mix and match old parts! Any knowledge would be awesome!
@@josephprohaska7755 I haven't done one yet but I have been taking measurements for swapping my buddy's gas 756. From what I see, modify the stock gas plate some. Use a 66/86 (400 series) fylwheel and open it up just a hair where it goes onto the crank and redrill to the fit the cummins.
Do want to sell that hydrologic valve on your light bar
I'm not sure yet if I'll need it for the next plans.