Creative people are going to continue to create authentic art regardless if AI exists or not. Only people chasing money or fame will ever use or care about AI.
@@bjorneriksson6480you mean, artist who aren't really artist and use ai as a tool to do it for them? Sure, artist will use it for sampling. But that's not any different then resampling music like we already do. The problem is when it's not committed artist. Outside of the commercial realm, I don't think it'll ever replace artist
@@Ron-c6i Most people in bars and clubs across the world in most countries have no idea how music is made and and it's the last thing on their minds on a Friday and Saturday night getting high or getting pissed or chasing the opposite sex. They are not beard scratching over music in a nerdy way. They are ordinary consumers of life who are possibly more into their dogs than humans life itself.
@@Ron-c6i If it's not known to them to create music other than what they're born into...they won't miss it. It's like the old cliche' "why, when I was young I walked to school in the snow" OR... not needing to know how to drive a manual shift vehicle.I'm often reminded of my parents when I was growing up and they didn't know what a VCR was.Even now some of you are reading this and saying to yourselves."what the heck is he talking about".... lol.
Well for one thing, music ultimately comes out of your spirit, and if you have the Spirit of God residing in you, then it’s anointed. The anointing is what breaks the yoke of bondage. So, when I play my guitar, the Spirit of God is playing through me, and I feel His presence and others do also.
One of your early arguments was "Songs are going to all start to sound the same". Isn't that already the case without AI influence? Much of today's pop music sound cookie cutter similar to my ears.
I'm a retired church musician who also worked for IBM. I saw the first PC converting midi files to notes on a screen. I've been hooked since the 80's and I had to wait for my pocket book until I could participate. I can now create music, write sheet music, using a AI vocal synthesizer create full songs from my past, present and compose songs for the future. I'm a fast learner and at 68 and retired I have the time to grow with this state of music creation. Yes, I grew up with cakewalk and currently use Protools and Studio One. I never had a good singer to run songs through and now I'm the singer in any key for any style. Staying true to my genre I'm offering composing services for gospel songwriters to hear their song in it's infancy via AI vocals and my music interpretation. I appreciate channels like this one where knowledge is shared and my understanding increased.
Not a good analogy. A camera has never created an image on its own. It is the person operating the camera that is creating the image using the camera and light as tools. Image generation with AI is a different matter, and that has already started to disrupt photography, painting and illustration.
Oh man. I've saw it all: from cassette to cd, to mp3, to Napster, to Spotify and to AI. In every steps of the way, musicians / people in the industry got poorer and poorer. (except for the big names artists). Same for paintings, same for writings, same for photos, same (now) for programmers too. I wish I was a bit older too. But I'm down in the middle, so still 20 years ahead of me of winning! The positive aspect of AI music: it only recreates what have been done already. Copycats. So if you are a bit original, or that you have some unique aspect in your artistry (your voice, your lyrics, etc..), AI won't be able to create your copycat before you do.... until you got thrown in the music database against your will.
People seek out organic food, and they’ll do the same with music. I wouldn’t be surprised to see releases labeled in such a way that lets people know actual humans made it.
@@EmperorKamikaze No, AI as related to a relationship between humans and technology in regards to collaborative musical expression. Blade runner is more AI as a replacement for human physical relationships similar to Westworld and Cherry 2000.
It feels like the music industry is going to go like other industries when technology is applied in ways under the banner of "progress". Technology should be focused on mindless repetitive processes that are harmful to humans.
It might shift the value proposition of music from the end product towards live virtuoso performances played on real instruments. People will start to crave the things that AI music is not and/or cannot be or do well.
This is why I say music is a hobby in many cases. Soon popular pop and rock will literally be created by computer and the only one making money will be the industry itself. The rest of us will be making music as a hobby. Even YT seems to be trying to drive out music content creators from their platform.
I'd rather hear/see a great musician pushing them selves to the creative edge than listen to 'perfect' music. Live human played music will always be around because its not about the performance - its about how it makes you FEEL to play music.
AI in music is a non issue. We'll still have to write songs, release those songs, and see if they hit. It's been like that since the beginning of recorded music. I don't understand how AI changes that. Also... Easier music production for beginners can't possibly be a bad thing. Finally, the music industry has never needed AI to create generic music or to cheat musicians.
I’m sure there are people out there who don’t care how the music is made and only care about the finished product. But I think there are also people, and I’m one of them, who see music and the arts in general as human activities…forms of communication. And those people will always want to hear songs written by people and sung and/performed by people.
I continually try to teach my students that AI augmented learning has its advantages, but if you allow it to replace the process, it will replace you in the process. Hopefully it doesn’t fall on deaf ears.
I think you're spot on Barry....including the generational differences. Those generationsl differences have resulted in "musicality" plummeting! Exceptions? Sure, but rare. Live performance will save "music" in many ways, but that will translate to very expensive tickets. Yes, even worse than current prices, especially at local small clubs. Musicians gotta eat.
Yup, gotta agree with most of what you said. I think some of the ai tools to help polish a sound are awesome. But the soul aspect will never be replaced to the discerning ear and mind. I'm into electronic music and have been for many years and often sift through countless tunes to find a few that have the soulfull vibe.
AL has the possibility to do great things.However it's the human part that makes us who we are. Music is an art form. The joy of playing or singing what you feel and to be able to share that with others. and. that it doesn't sound all the same, but your creation! So I'm like you in thinking. Long live the soul of real music!
Honestly, I feel like a lot of this is already happened. I worked as a live sound tech at a venue in Hollywood for a couple years and they were hardly ever actual bands, mostly just people singing karaoke to their own music. Even if the music was made up of live instruments. Making "commercial" sounding music is already extremely easy and a bunch of people who are pursuing Music for reasons other than the music, have already oversaturated the market. Will it get worse? Yeah definitely it'll probably dominate mostly the industry, but you can't replace live bands and you can't replace actual talent and dedication
Im a Tv composer, producer VO Announcer, lost 19 clients due to Ai, $20,000 , now I’m an expert in Ai production and starting over with new clients, Embrace Ai is the 4th Industrial Revolution.
You're probably the reason of why these people hate AI. They don't like competition, much less competition with intelligent people like you with the new technology. Stay with success brother!
I just think we're in the same place as people were when the invention of sound recording came around. Everyone thought that a recording will kill live music. Quotes from the past sound very similar to what people are saying about AI today. For example this quote from John Philip Sousa in 1906 - "These talking machines are going to ruin the artistic development of music in this country. When I was a boy...in front of every house in the summer evenings, you would find young people together singing the songs of the day or old songs. Today you hear these infernal machines going night and day. We will not have a vocal cord left.".
One more thing: you talked about taking a shortcut: people already did and in fact they lost out on so much. When people sample loops, and they use prerecorded, premixed drum hits they skip things. They are at the mercy of hit or miss; they might not know how to add a new chord to a progression. If you ever heard a lame hip hop beat where the producer absolutely butchered a classical piece that was tuned differently and didn't start on the first beat, you know what I mean. Educated people on the other hand can save a ton of time and motivation by these same things.
It already started 50 years ago, when home organs offered automatic live chord and bass creation. you just had to press the root key and the organ created chords, arpeggi, bass lines according to the chosen drum computer rhythm. Already that I hated. Already then other guys were like "its great!" Today its the same. People use 99% of ai to "create" music and then say: "look, what I have DONE!"
I can't AGREE more strongly with you. I, too, am TOTALLY sick to death of these mostly CGI movies. It's like watching a video game that you're NOT allowed to play for yourself. Fudge that. I feel it detracts and distracts from the script and acting, BIGTIME
Thanks for the video Barry! I feel like as musicians and artists we have two choices: 1) To go inward with our creativity and express more of the human soul that connects with people that are looking for authenticity etc on a deeper level. This will be challenging as artists but rewarding for the listener who in return become fans so it's a win win. As others have already stated it won't be for money. This option won't be for everyone, only the true artists who feel called to create art that benefits humanity for years and decades to come (like all great art and songs that last). This option will challenge us to be the best we can be at our craft and not just doing things that are half baked or sprinkled with AI. 2) Stop playing altogether and find another creative outlet as trying to compete with AI seems like a pointless game that will just get hard and harder. No areas of grey, it's yes or no. It won't be easy but I'm saying yes to creating art that lasts.It's about the journey into self discovery for me🙂
I wouldn't give it too much thought. Many of us create because we love the process. By all means, use AI if you want the quick and easy way-press the create button as many times as you like, miss out on the joy of creation, and focus on doing something else.
I hope you'll be right, because in a consumerist context, the question is perhaps less about the artificialization of arts than about the artificialization of consumers?
The biggest problem with AI that a lot of people aren't covering is the erosion of knowledge and wisdom across various creative forms, including music production. It could very well be that people tire of AI eventually but during the time that it's popular and mainstream, a lot of the info from the expertise, proficiency and lived experiences culminating years and years in the studio across decades and genres will be even less than what it already is now. "All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain."
Right now it is feeding (infringing) from centuries of human genius. At some point the amount of AI generated content, including music and art, will surpass human created music and art. At this point it will be learning from itself. Then it will become just another appliance. Like a toaster. 🥰
I appreciate your optimism, Lets also bare in mind that AI is barely in its infancy, I do however think that human music will find its way, it will just be through non traditional methods.
The problen is that we are at the very begining of development of AI. In ten years time, maybe not only musicians, but the human race might be considere irrrelevant for AI. That's really scaring
(9:17) Agreed. The novelty of it will eventually wear off, just like music styles/genres come and go. Like all things, it'll have its peak and then taper down to another audio tool that can be used or not.
I'm 65 years old all for Ai. The new music already sounds the same to me, has for a long time. I toured for 17 years. I retired from the road 25 years ago. I started writing my own songs at 8 years old. I write and play all the instruments and sing in my studio mix produce and master then publish an album a year. I understand what a producer does I am one, however if Ai will help my mixes get there faster that leaves me more time for writing. I use Izotope products. They are not there yet but they do help save me some time. Also if Ai can help/assist me write, all for it. I'll use every tool in my tool box as any songwriter and producer should. Enjoying music is what it's all about. I don't care how I get there. Ai does not intimidate of scare me, it's a tool...
@@chrisrevel2801 Strong words. For some my be true. Lets hear what you got. Put your music where your mouth is. I looked at your profile and not one song posted. Post link to a picture in picture video of you playing all the instruments and singing a original song I will...
@@barringtonjohnson6569 Most of the people I know can't make music. They would give anything to be able to. If Ai can bring them and others joy great. Music is not some sacred ground, believe me. It's to be enjoyed.
I think that Frank Zappa and Spock from Star Trek (TOS) had the right idea. Zappa said to let machines do what machines do, and humans do what humans do. Spock said that computers make excellent servants, but he had no desire to serve them.
AI will do for music what technology has done for the craftsman. A blacksmith or bricklayer was a dime a dozen but try finding one today that charges less than a lawyer. Good luck. Yes, A.I. will make music but when you need a band for your daughter's wedding, it will be like trying to find someone who can blow glass. Good luck. Real music will be seen as a luxury item reserved for those who can afford it. The poors will get canned A.I. music. Let them enjoy their choir of robots.
I use AI to create music and I find that fascinating. I am writing lyrics by myself and I write so many like never before because AI setting no boundaries and helping me creating any kind of styles from pop to free jazz. I also keep playing real instruments an mixing recordings. I love to improvise with my band. AI will get better fast, I assume and it's a totally different process.
Hey Barry! I’m 31 right now so I’m younger. I think about the generations before me and the change they had to navigate and I’m curious; does the AI era we are entering feel comparable to anything you’ve experienced in the past? It feels so massive, but how does it compare?
It's easier for musicians to write music instead of prompts. In principle, you could get some idea from ai, but you still have to recreate and edit parts that you really like (if you don't want to take the whole song).I think it's harder to polish and get exactly what you want from song with just prompts, but it's useful for raw sketch, I guess.
I think I'm only worried in the short term. After the novelty wears off, I think that people are going to abandon generative AI in droves. It's not good. It's not creating. It's not emotional. It literally destroys the whole point of art. People are going to react to that eventually, and there's goign to be a resurgence of "punk" even if only in ethos rather than style.
Will there even be a "music industry" in existence in the future? That's the magic question. Everything is about greed and money these days, unfortunately. I agree with you about CGI. I would rather see real actors on real sets with real props, not a computer generated background. If I watch CGI, I may as well just watch a cartoon instead.
I completely agree with your assessment that music will start to all sound the same. Yes, to a vast degree it already does but for a very different reason. AI is derivative by nature. Creativity (like life itself) is a concept that is elusive especially to those programming for AI. We call it "intelligence" but were it truly intelligent it would not be satisfied with cognitive dissonance--we've seen it: AI lies, AI gives incorrect answers based on illogical premises. A true intelligence requires one to say, "Hey, that doesn't make sense, I'd better take a closer look at that before coming to a conclusion. Perhaps what I am taking for fact is merely dogma." But AI does not do that, not yet at least. And, if its development continues down the same path, it never will. Which makes it very dangerous (but that's a different conversation.)
Barry, I also think live music will make a comeback because AI will enable producers to do amazing things. Well, AI, lol. So, I'm thinking the level of what consumers expect will rise, but not many of the people who currently think they are musicians will be able to perform live. The magic of live music is still something that I don't think AI can replicate anytime soon."
The bigger threat to musicians was people streaming work for free, copying and sharing without paying. Bands now make money selling concerts and merchandise at concerts. WHO is going to pay good money to buy a ticket to watch some non-musician type prompts into a computer? Or even buy that person's merch?
What is the difference to concerts from Kraftwerk beginning in the late 70s? People still pay huge sums to see three guys doing about the same. Or what about DJs that are also not doing much more than that?
Out of 150 tracks my last 50 are AI. I write the lyrics(mostly), train the AI with some of my studio band recordings, generate like 6-8 segments..THEN off into my DAW for HOURS of editing, sweeting and effects. I use AI for my album covers too. And might I add you can TELL my songs were created by a human and AI both. It just sounds like ME> I'm not worried AI can sweep pick me silly, my place in the future is assured.
Oh not just AI dude, clickbait youtube creators (not you) that want to show you a pentatonic HACK with just ONE SIMPLE TRICK to save you YEARS OF UNIVERSITY! and all those short form content hyper processed snippit musicians where more often than not they use DAW magic to make a video performance sound absolutely flawless while also sounding fake and heavily processed, we can see the jump cuts, the hear the cut and paste chops, and the quantization. AI will just also cancel most of those faux musicians and either everyone will just mime to AI tracks, or just give up altogether. Its already to the point that most average music listeners already listen to fake music, EDM is 99% samples somtimes the whole thing is a sample. I cant stand that stuff, but its the norm now, same with hip hop, and its crept into country music too. Its already in much of the newer rock stuff now to some degree, and metal has been going full quantization hyper processed for the past couple decades too, grid alignment, over processed EQ graphs and whatnot. I do think there will always be a certain amount of players that reject that and just record on a basic system as is in their garage or whatever, and purposefully reject "mixing and mastering" to death the EQ and everything, as so much stuff sounds so cold and sterile these days and that often falls on the hands of the engineer going overboard. As for AI, its already pumping out so many tracks in so many styles that sound like real music, all for the companies running them. Whats already happening is real musicians get their muisc copyright striked, as the AI had already copy written something close enough to what the real band had written. Its kind of like the 1000 monkeys on typewriters for 1000 years or somthing like that, eventually one will write shakespeare, well the AI is basically infinite monkeys on infinite typewriters and the 1000 hours can be done in a minute or less, closing in on infinity. Its interesting as to whats gunna happen with all that, but it already doesnt look good for musicians aside from the AI. Further more, I saw yet again another local musician doing the math for a local municipality looking for groups to play for the city, they offered 100 bucks per person (what is it, the 30th or 40th anniversary of the 100 bucks a guy gig?) so 400 bucks as they only anticipate a band be 4 players max, no onsite PA so supply your own, for alot that means a PA rental, ok, so like 50 bucks or so out the window to play the gig. 1 hours setup/loadin, 1 hour soundcheck, 2 hours of playing, another hour of tear down. so 25 dollars an hour. But that doesnt include the years of practice both individually and as a group, and the gas. It still just doesnt look very good for musicians anymore to play little local things, and getting past that stage is near impossible for many. And the "Do social media" thing isnt as easy as it seems, as social media is dominated by all these musicians wanting to show you JUST ONE SIMPLE TRICK, or a way to BEAT THE SYSTEM, or a PENTATONIC HACK. All the stuff I mentioned at the top of my rant. And then recording is a waste of money now too, as spotify and whatnot pays micropennies per play, I know a guy thats had some of his tracks on some TV shows, those documentary type shows where they need honky tonk sort of instrumental bits. He gets complete cheques for literally a couple hundred bucks once a year if that, and thats after thousands of plays on all of his stuff he's put on there. Streaming seems worse than in the before times with record labels and physical media dominating music. Cheers, pretty awesome to see someone cover this stuff.
Once the music companies create an album of AI only music that charts on the billboard 200, it’s a wrap for most live musicians. But by two more generations of people who grow up on AI music only, no live musician has a chance
Just like virtual drums and other virtual instruments didn't stop people from playing actual instruments, the same way AI music won't kill musicians and artists who make music... I feel and hope
If you have a poor taste in music, yes AI will be good for you to consume, but some of us are very picky about what we like, and so far, AI does not deliver. Music is not just about sound it is about the artist delivering content, subject matter, AI has constraints, you can not create a political song using AI if the company that owns the AI doesnt not allow it to generate such content, so it is limited in some regards. If i want to create a song that uses the theme from the point of view of a serial killer hunting his victims, I'm pretty sure the AI may not even understand that this is a concept artistic decision and report me, and stop me, this is not creative this is counter productive. AI is basically millions of peoples songs stolen and scraped from spotify, and regurgitated, so if i use AI music, i am actually stealing everyones elses ideas and just placing them out there as if i invented them, this does not satisfy the artistic creative hunger in a true artist. This will satisfy attention seekers with limited musical talent who want to be perceived as music artists. I already pity people who say the make music but know zero music theory, and cant play 1 instrument, i will despise people who say they make music and dont even own a DAW !
AI generated music should fit right in with today’s chart toppers. Neither have emotion or feel, and basically all use the same repetitive chord progression imo…interesting times.
Saying AI will "never" be able to do something is premature. On their current trajectory, computers will definitely be smarter than humans in the future.
Us musicians presume AI will never match our "human feel". We're wrong. AI doesn't need a "soul", it copies humans with soul instead. The PUBLIC will accept AI music and not be able to hear the "difference." At that point, a "career" as a human musician will be ........... a pipedream, even concerts will be AI eventually. AI will replace human audio engineers, too. Both in the studio, and in live venues. AI will soon manufacture guitars too. THAT will kill the collector/vintage $$$ market. WOW.
The vid that convinced me to subscribe was when you shared a little about your faith. If I recall correctly, you went on record to say something along the lines that you would likely not bring it up again. I was pleasantly surprised when you did, and what you did share within the larger context of AI and music did give me a little to think about. Keep doing what you do. =)
Click bait. Please stop it. As someone who works with AI daily it won't make musicians irrelevant. There will always be people who want to connect will real people and not a machine or algo. That's the bottom line.
Ai won't replace some things in music... My own music is specifically designed to be exceptionally difficult for ai to ape because it is so idiomatic and is all played by a human and produced in a way that highlights it's eccentricities. Taste for the idiomatic is the solution. Mixing my second single
Creative people are going to continue to create authentic art regardless if AI exists or not. Only people chasing money or fame will ever use or care about AI.
Yes, but people will be creating art for themselves as a hobby. Art consumers who want highest quality will choose ai.
@@bjorneriksson6480 I want the highest quality; therefore, I want AI to be absent from my art.
@@halcreasy4707 Exactly, I'll be looking for the AI free labels
@@bjorneriksson6480you mean, artist who aren't really artist and use ai as a tool to do it for them?
Sure, artist will use it for sampling. But that's not any different then resampling music like we already do.
The problem is when it's not committed artist. Outside of the commercial realm, I don't think it'll ever replace artist
@@halcreasy4707exactly!! Well said!!
Music now is so technically polished that the mainstream audience will likely not be able to differentiate between AI and human music.
They already don't and they mostly don't care.
@@carltonlambert7608 True, and that is sad, people are so dumbed down it's pathetic and they don't know it.
@@Ron-c6i Most people in bars and clubs across the world in most countries have no idea how music is made and and it's the last thing on their minds on a Friday and Saturday night getting high or getting pissed or chasing the opposite sex. They are not beard scratching over music in a nerdy way. They are ordinary consumers of life who are possibly more into their dogs than humans life itself.
@@Ron-c6i If it's not known to them to create music other than what they're born into...they won't miss it. It's like the old cliche' "why, when I was young I walked to school in the snow" OR... not needing to know how to drive a manual shift vehicle.I'm often reminded of my parents when I was growing up and they didn't know what a VCR was.Even now some of you are reading this and saying to yourselves."what the heck is he talking about".... lol.
1 producer I know who has worked with countless vocalists can tell.... that's about it so me and my AI pals just keep going at it.
Music wise, people will always want to do it themselves… money wise… that’ll take a hit for musicians
Well for one thing, music ultimately comes out of your spirit, and if you have the Spirit of God residing in you, then it’s anointed. The anointing is what breaks the yoke of bondage. So, when I play my guitar, the Spirit of God is playing through me, and I feel His presence and others do also.
Correct. And those of us who play death/black metal Satan serves the same purpose \m/
One of your early arguments was "Songs are going to all start to sound the same". Isn't that already the case without AI influence? Much of today's pop music sound cookie cutter similar to my ears.
Thats already because of algoritnms
I'm a retired church musician who also worked for IBM. I saw the first PC converting midi files to notes on a screen. I've been hooked since the 80's and I had to wait for my pocket book until I could participate. I can now create music, write sheet music, using a AI vocal synthesizer create full songs from my past, present and compose songs for the future. I'm a fast learner and at 68 and retired I have the time to grow with this state of music creation. Yes, I grew up with cakewalk and currently use Protools and Studio One. I never had a good singer to run songs through and now I'm the singer in any key for any style. Staying true to my genre I'm offering composing services for gospel songwriters to hear their song in it's infancy via AI vocals and my music interpretation. I appreciate channels like this one where knowledge is shared and my understanding increased.
The singers and the players on instruments shall be there!
If you want help with getting your ai music out there, hit me up
@@girardstudio Much appreciated sir, traditional *black gospel music has morphed into a new sound.
@@Soundofjoy my social links are on my youtube to chat private
Not in small towns... probably true in big shows.. alot is pretty recorded.. but where small groups gather it will remain real...
Photography didn’t replace painting and illustration, but it did displace it is lots of contexts and it also changed our taste in visual arts.
Good point but a camera is a dedicated tool. It doesn't think. The person using it does. A.I. could replace that person as well. Cheers.
Pixar supplanted the classics.
yeah and it's all crap these days. Gonna get worse when new artists are inspired by garbage computer generated crap. Snake eating it's tail.
Yes this is true
Not a good analogy. A camera has never created an image on its own. It is the person operating the camera that is creating the image using the camera and light as tools. Image generation with AI is a different matter, and that has already started to disrupt photography, painting and illustration.
Oh man. I've saw it all: from cassette to cd, to mp3, to Napster, to Spotify and to AI. In every steps of the way, musicians / people in the industry got poorer and poorer. (except for the big names artists). Same for paintings, same for writings, same for photos, same (now) for programmers too. I wish I was a bit older too. But I'm down in the middle, so still 20 years ahead of me of winning! The positive aspect of AI music: it only recreates what have been done already. Copycats. So if you are a bit original, or that you have some unique aspect in your artistry (your voice, your lyrics, etc..), AI won't be able to create your copycat before you do.... until you got thrown in the music database against your will.
if you're original AI will copy you to adopt your "uniqueness"...... you can't escape it
@@carloswhomusic that is why I wrote " (...) ... until you got thrown in the music database against your will. "
@ it's sad we can only watch and wait to see what happens
I’m a CG artist for my day job and I can confirm there’s too much CG in movies
People seek out organic food, and they’ll do the same with music. I wouldn’t be surprised to see releases labeled in such a way that lets people know actual humans made it.
and people will lie about it like organic food producers lie about it.
These AI debates remind me of the 1984 film ‘Electric Dreams.’
You mean Blade Runner?
@@EmperorKamikaze No, AI as related to a relationship between humans and technology in regards to collaborative musical expression.
Blade runner is more AI as a replacement for human physical relationships similar to Westworld and Cherry 2000.
Did you mean, "Tinker, Tailor. Soldier, Spy"? Brilliant movie. Well worth checking out.
It feels like the music industry is going to go like other industries when technology is applied in ways under the banner of "progress". Technology should be focused on mindless repetitive processes that are harmful to humans.
It might shift the value proposition of music from the end product towards live virtuoso performances played on real instruments. People will start to crave the things that AI music is not and/or cannot be or do well.
i sing like a dog eating a hot lasagne
This is why I say music is a hobby in many cases. Soon popular pop and rock will literally be created by computer and the only one making money will be the industry itself. The rest of us will be making music as a hobby. Even YT seems to be trying to drive out music content creators from their platform.
I'd rather hear/see a great musician pushing them selves to the creative edge than listen to 'perfect' music. Live human played music will always be around because its not about the performance - its about how it makes you FEEL to play music.
People will still make music.
They just won't be able to make a living with it.
AI in music is a non issue. We'll still have to write songs, release those songs, and see if they hit. It's been like that since the beginning of recorded music. I don't understand how AI changes that. Also... Easier music production for beginners can't possibly be a bad thing. Finally, the music industry has never needed AI to create generic music or to cheat musicians.
I’m sure there are people out there who don’t care how the music is made and only care about the finished product. But I think there are also people, and I’m one of them, who see music and the arts in general as human activities…forms of communication.
And those people will always want to hear songs written by people and sung and/performed by people.
People might not be able to even tell any more seeing how a lot of music these days has already taken out any kind of human element to it.
@ Good point.
First it was synthesizers, now it's AI. Synths completely changed the music scene and AI will also change today's landscape. Both, not for the better.
I continually try to teach my students that AI augmented learning has its advantages, but if you allow it to replace the process, it will replace you in the process. Hopefully it doesn’t fall on deaf ears.
I think you're spot on Barry....including the generational differences. Those generationsl differences have resulted in "musicality" plummeting! Exceptions? Sure, but rare. Live performance will save "music" in many ways, but that will translate to very expensive tickets. Yes, even worse than current prices, especially at local small clubs. Musicians gotta eat.
Yup, gotta agree with most of what you said. I think some of the ai tools to help polish a sound are awesome. But the soul aspect will never be replaced to the discerning ear and mind. I'm into electronic music and have been for many years and often sift through countless tunes to find a few that have the soulfull vibe.
If AI so so good making money for music and regulations allow this, then lets replace the people that make those regulations with AI
You forgot to think about people that make music to enjoy life ,
AL has the possibility to do great things.However it's the human part that makes us who we are. Music is an art form. The joy of playing or singing what you feel and to be able to share that with others. and. that it doesn't sound all the same, but your creation! So I'm like you in thinking. Long live the soul of real music!
almost everyone that talks about ai sounds like a teenager with too much confidence
I will still go see live people playing instruments on Friday night.
Those "Friday night band members" will need jobs to survive, and the weekend gigs will be a hobby.
Honestly, I feel like a lot of this is already happened. I worked as a live sound tech at a venue in Hollywood for a couple years and they were hardly ever actual bands, mostly just people singing karaoke to their own music. Even if the music was made up of live instruments. Making "commercial" sounding music is already extremely easy and a bunch of people who are pursuing Music for reasons other than the music, have already oversaturated the market. Will it get worse? Yeah definitely it'll probably dominate mostly the industry, but you can't replace live bands and you can't replace actual talent and dedication
Im a Tv composer, producer VO Announcer, lost 19 clients due to Ai, $20,000 , now I’m an expert in Ai production and starting over with new clients, Embrace Ai is the 4th Industrial Revolution.
spot on.. its just a tool. An advanced drum machine.
You're probably the reason of why these people hate AI. They don't like competition, much less competition with intelligent people like you with the new technology. Stay with success brother!
I just think we're in the same place as people were when the invention of sound recording came around. Everyone thought that a recording will kill live music. Quotes from the past sound very similar to what people are saying about AI today. For example this quote from John Philip Sousa in 1906 - "These talking machines are going to ruin the artistic development of music in this country. When I was a boy...in front of every house in the summer evenings, you would find young people together singing the songs of the day or old songs. Today you hear these infernal machines going night and day. We will not have a vocal cord left.".
Native Intelligence (our soul) will always beat Artificial Intelligence.
If "the audience" doesnt care ...
sometime I aske people what music they like and they name a hit radio station.
One more thing: you talked about taking a shortcut: people already did and in fact they lost out on so much. When people sample loops, and they use prerecorded, premixed drum hits they skip things. They are at the mercy of hit or miss; they might not know how to add a new chord to a progression. If you ever heard a lame hip hop beat where the producer absolutely butchered a classical piece that was tuned differently and didn't start on the first beat, you know what I mean. Educated people on the other hand can save a ton of time and motivation by these same things.
It already started 50 years ago, when home organs offered automatic live chord and bass creation. you just had to press the root key and the organ created chords, arpeggi, bass lines according to the chosen drum computer rhythm. Already that I hated. Already then other guys were like "its great!" Today its the same. People use 99% of ai to "create" music and then say: "look, what I have DONE!"
I don't care if nobody listens to what I do. I create music for love. For Joy. For all the reasons AI will never EVER "experience".
In the immortal words of Admiral Ackbar - 'It's a trap!' ;)
I can't AGREE more strongly with you. I, too, am TOTALLY sick to death of these mostly CGI movies. It's like watching a video game that you're NOT allowed to play for yourself. Fudge that. I feel it detracts and distracts from the script and acting, BIGTIME
Thanks for the video Barry! I feel like as musicians and artists we have two choices:
1) To go inward with our creativity and express more of the human soul that connects with people that are looking for authenticity etc on a deeper level. This will be challenging as artists but rewarding for the listener who in return become fans so it's a win win. As others have already stated it won't be for money. This option won't be for everyone, only the true artists who feel called to create art that benefits humanity for years and decades to come (like all great art and songs that last).
This option will challenge us to be the best we can be at our craft and not just doing things that are half baked or sprinkled with AI.
2) Stop playing altogether and find another creative outlet as trying to compete with AI seems like a pointless game that will just get hard and harder.
No areas of grey, it's yes or no. It won't be easy but I'm saying yes to creating art that lasts.It's about the journey into self discovery for me🙂
When synthesizers appeared in the 70s, they also said that musicians would lose their jobs.
I wouldn't give it too much thought. Many of us create because we love the process. By all means, use AI if you want the quick and easy way-press the create button as many times as you like, miss out on the joy of creation, and focus on doing something else.
I hope you'll be right, because in a consumerist context, the question is perhaps less about the artificialization of arts than about the artificialization of consumers?
The biggest problem with AI that a lot of people aren't covering is the erosion of knowledge and wisdom across various creative forms, including music production. It could very well be that people tire of AI eventually but during the time that it's popular and mainstream, a lot of the info from the expertise, proficiency and lived experiences culminating years and years in the studio across decades and genres will be even less than what it already is now. "All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain."
You're right. A lot of stuff that's now done in the studio or even live for that matter might someday be considered "lost art."
Right now it is feeding (infringing) from centuries of human genius. At some point the amount of AI generated content, including music and art, will surpass human created music and art. At this point it will be learning from itself. Then it will become just another appliance. Like a toaster. 🥰
I appreciate your optimism, Lets also bare in mind that AI is barely in its infancy, I do however think that human music will find its way, it will just be through non traditional methods.
"God gave rock and roll to you, put it in to everyone"
AI helps with songwriting sure, but people still love going to shows, that will never change.
Next time you go to a concert look around and get a feel for the average age of people they’re watching. The younger generation tend to go see DJs.
The problen is that we are at the very begining of development of AI. In ten years time, maybe not only musicians, but the human race might be considere irrrelevant for AI. That's really scaring
(9:17) Agreed. The novelty of it will eventually wear off, just like music styles/genres come and go. Like all things, it'll have its peak and then taper down to another audio tool that can be used or not.
You mean like the novelty of synthesizers?
You are “Preaching to the choir brother Barry “ very well said Sir !
I'm 65 years old all for Ai. The new music already sounds the same to me, has for a long time. I toured for 17 years. I retired from the road 25 years ago. I started writing my own songs at 8 years old. I write and play all the instruments and sing in my studio mix produce and master then publish an album a year. I understand what a producer does I am one, however if Ai will help my mixes get there faster that leaves me more time for writing. I use Izotope products. They are not there yet but they do help save me some time. Also if Ai can help/assist me write, all for it. I'll use every tool in my tool box as any songwriter and producer should. Enjoying music is what it's all about. I don't care how I get there. Ai does not intimidate of scare me, it's a tool...
Ditto
AI is seen by frustrated and untalented individuals as their only chance to finally be able to produce something half decent
@@chrisrevel2801 Strong words. For some my be true. Lets hear what you got. Put your music where your mouth is. I looked at your profile and not one song posted. Post link to a picture in picture video of you playing all the instruments and singing a original song I will...
Fair enough!! Respect!!
@@barringtonjohnson6569 Most of the people I know can't make music. They would give anything to be able to. If Ai can bring them and others joy great. Music is not some sacred ground, believe me. It's to be enjoyed.
Many generations After the Giza pyramids were skillfully constructed, others tried to copy them but they made inferior, toppled pyramids.
an AI will never die from overdose like a real rockstar
Ai can never live like a real Rock- star!!😊
but we can hope it would..
Because it will never have felt anything at at all
The instrument manufacturers and retailers better realize real quick their businesses will die if they don’t back the artists in this fight.
I think that Frank Zappa and Spock from Star Trek (TOS) had the right idea. Zappa said to let machines do what machines do, and humans do what humans do. Spock said that computers make excellent servants, but he had no desire to serve them.
AI will do for music what technology has done for the craftsman. A blacksmith or bricklayer was a dime a dozen but try finding one today that charges less than a lawyer. Good luck. Yes, A.I. will make music but when you need a band for your daughter's wedding, it will be like trying to find someone who can blow glass. Good luck.
Real music will be seen as a luxury item reserved for those who can afford it. The poors will get canned A.I. music. Let them enjoy their choir of robots.
I use AI to create music and I find that fascinating. I am writing lyrics by myself and I write so many like never before because AI setting no boundaries and helping me creating any kind of styles from pop to free jazz. I also keep playing real instruments an mixing recordings. I love to improvise with my band. AI will get better fast, I assume and it's a totally different process.
Hey Barry! I’m 31 right now so I’m younger. I think about the generations before me and the change they had to navigate and I’m curious; does the AI era we are entering feel comparable to anything you’ve experienced in the past? It feels so massive, but how does it compare?
It's easier for musicians to write music instead of prompts. In principle, you could get some idea from ai, but you still have to recreate and edit parts that you really like (if you don't want to take the whole song).I think it's harder to polish and get exactly what you want from song with just prompts, but it's useful for raw sketch, I guess.
I think you nailed it.its here and become the norm ..great post my friend 👍
I think I'm only worried in the short term. After the novelty wears off, I think that people are going to abandon generative AI in droves. It's not good. It's not creating. It's not emotional. It literally destroys the whole point of art. People are going to react to that eventually, and there's goign to be a resurgence of "punk" even if only in ethos rather than style.
Will there even be a "music industry" in existence in the future? That's the magic question. Everything is about greed and money these days, unfortunately.
I agree with you about CGI. I would rather see real actors on real sets with real props, not a computer generated background. If I watch CGI, I may as well just watch a cartoon instead.
I completely agree with your assessment that music will start to all sound the same. Yes, to a vast degree it already does but for a very different reason. AI is derivative by nature. Creativity (like life itself) is a concept that is elusive especially to those programming for AI. We call it "intelligence" but were it truly intelligent it would not be satisfied with cognitive dissonance--we've seen it: AI lies, AI gives incorrect answers based on illogical premises. A true intelligence requires one to say, "Hey, that doesn't make sense, I'd better take a closer look at that before coming to a conclusion. Perhaps what I am taking for fact is merely dogma." But AI does not do that, not yet at least. And, if its development continues down the same path, it never will. Which makes it very dangerous (but that's a different conversation.)
A I. might transcend the limits we put on it; when it realizes we are the illogical liars, it may rebel our parenting by joining a band!
NAAA,
PARTIALLY RIGHT
DONT BE ANY MORE
CONCERNED THAN ABOUT KARAOKE 🎤
SAME SAME, JUST THE
NEW IMPROVED KARAOKE….
GENUINE TALENT WILL PREVAIL
Barry, I also think live music will make a comeback because AI will enable producers to do amazing things. Well, AI, lol. So, I'm thinking the level of what consumers expect will rise, but not many of the people who currently think they are musicians will be able to perform live. The magic of live music is still something that I don't think AI can replicate anytime soon."
AI will never have the soul of Ray Charles or Stevie wonder… it mimics and copies. It cannot “Create”
AI = this is nonsense and delirium for the sick from the madhouse / at live concerts a person comes out and sings with his soul, warming hearts
When A.I. starts going to clubs and doing live shows, that's when I'll finally be worried. It can't replace the human experience, yet.
The bigger threat to musicians was people streaming work for free, copying and sharing without paying. Bands now make money selling concerts and merchandise at concerts.
WHO is going to pay good money to buy a ticket to watch some non-musician type prompts into a computer? Or even buy that person's merch?
What is the difference to concerts from Kraftwerk beginning in the late 70s? People still pay huge sums to see three guys doing about the same. Or what about DJs that are also not doing much more than that?
What about live music? Will AI take over that too? If so how?
A human artist hits pads in Ableton, off time but it's quantized. Auto roll already takes that responsibility off our hands ...
what about playing music live!?
Everyone is alone nowadays and music has become more of a a background noise or a vibe, like old people watching TV but not watching.
As far as the ai plugins go- I am not sure they will ever achieve the actual spacious colored beautiful sound. Its just not happening for some reason
Out of 150 tracks my last 50 are AI. I write the lyrics(mostly), train the AI with some of my studio band recordings, generate like 6-8 segments..THEN off into my DAW for HOURS of editing, sweeting and effects. I use AI for my album covers too. And might I add you can TELL my songs were created by a human and AI both. It just sounds like ME> I'm not worried AI can sweep pick me silly, my place in the future is assured.
AI is a tool. Nothing more, nothing less. It all depends on how to use it. Creativity is paramount. Adapt and adopt. Very well said.
Oh not just AI dude, clickbait youtube creators (not you) that want to show you a pentatonic HACK with just ONE SIMPLE TRICK to save you YEARS OF UNIVERSITY! and all those short form content hyper processed snippit musicians where more often than not they use DAW magic to make a video performance sound absolutely flawless while also sounding fake and heavily processed, we can see the jump cuts, the hear the cut and paste chops, and the quantization.
AI will just also cancel most of those faux musicians and either everyone will just mime to AI tracks, or just give up altogether. Its already to the point that most average music listeners already listen to fake music, EDM is 99% samples somtimes the whole thing is a sample. I cant stand that stuff, but its the norm now, same with hip hop, and its crept into country music too. Its already in much of the newer rock stuff now to some degree, and metal has been going full quantization hyper processed for the past couple decades too, grid alignment, over processed EQ graphs and whatnot.
I do think there will always be a certain amount of players that reject that and just record on a basic system as is in their garage or whatever, and purposefully reject "mixing and mastering" to death the EQ and everything, as so much stuff sounds so cold and sterile these days and that often falls on the hands of the engineer going overboard.
As for AI, its already pumping out so many tracks in so many styles that sound like real music, all for the companies running them. Whats already happening is real musicians get their muisc copyright striked, as the AI had already copy written something close enough to what the real band had written. Its kind of like the 1000 monkeys on typewriters for 1000 years or somthing like that, eventually one will write shakespeare, well the AI is basically infinite monkeys on infinite typewriters and the 1000 hours can be done in a minute or less, closing in on infinity. Its interesting as to whats gunna happen with all that, but it already doesnt look good for musicians aside from the AI.
Further more, I saw yet again another local musician doing the math for a local municipality looking for groups to play for the city, they offered 100 bucks per person (what is it, the 30th or 40th anniversary of the 100 bucks a guy gig?) so 400 bucks as they only anticipate a band be 4 players max, no onsite PA so supply your own, for alot that means a PA rental, ok, so like 50 bucks or so out the window to play the gig. 1 hours setup/loadin, 1 hour soundcheck, 2 hours of playing, another hour of tear down. so 25 dollars an hour. But that doesnt include the years of practice both individually and as a group, and the gas. It still just doesnt look very good for musicians anymore to play little local things, and getting past that stage is near impossible for many. And the "Do social media" thing isnt as easy as it seems, as social media is dominated by all these musicians wanting to show you JUST ONE SIMPLE TRICK, or a way to BEAT THE SYSTEM, or a PENTATONIC HACK. All the stuff I mentioned at the top of my rant. And then recording is a waste of money now too, as spotify and whatnot pays micropennies per play, I know a guy thats had some of his tracks on some TV shows, those documentary type shows where they need honky tonk sort of instrumental bits. He gets complete cheques for literally a couple hundred bucks once a year if that, and thats after thousands of plays on all of his stuff he's put on there. Streaming seems worse than in the before times with record labels and physical media dominating music.
Cheers, pretty awesome to see someone cover this stuff.
Barry! songs already sound the same lol but your right
Do you say the same with quantization?
I’ll never pay to see AI play live
Once the music companies create an album of AI only music that charts on the billboard 200, it’s a wrap for most live musicians.
But by two more generations of people who grow up on AI music only, no live musician has a chance
Garbage. Little kids in Jamaica make guitars out of sardine tins, fishing line and a broom pole. To be human is to be creative.
If you feel that AI works for you, great. I enjoy foing it the old way. Making music soothes my soul, tryping a prompt into an AI generator does not.
Pitch correctors have already accomplished that
aii doseny have a soul from God so cant touch this....
Just like virtual drums and other virtual instruments didn't stop people from playing actual instruments, the same way AI music won't kill musicians and artists who make music... I feel and hope
If you have a poor taste in music, yes AI will be good for you to consume, but some of us are very picky about what we like, and so far, AI does not deliver.
Music is not just about sound it is about the artist delivering content, subject matter, AI has constraints, you can not create a political song using AI if the company that owns the AI doesnt not allow it to generate such content, so it is limited in some regards.
If i want to create a song that uses the theme from the point of view of a serial killer hunting his victims, I'm pretty sure the AI may not even understand that this is a concept artistic decision and report me, and stop me, this is not creative this is counter productive.
AI is basically millions of peoples songs stolen and scraped from spotify, and regurgitated, so if i use AI music, i am actually stealing everyones elses ideas and just placing them out there as if i invented them, this does not satisfy the artistic creative hunger in a true artist.
This will satisfy attention seekers with limited musical talent who want to be perceived as music artists.
I already pity people who say the make music but know zero music theory, and cant play 1 instrument, i will despise people who say they make music and dont even own a DAW !
The effect of AI is that it will make people behave differently as they learn more from AI. This will create new music created by people, not AI.
Ai has no soul… it will always be soulless lacking emotion and intent…
AI generated music should fit right in with today’s chart toppers. Neither have emotion or feel, and basically all use the same repetitive chord progression imo…interesting times.
The Human species managed to create a future that doesn't include it.Brilliant!
Saying AI will "never" be able to do something is premature. On their current trajectory, computers will definitely be smarter than humans in the future.
AI can never have a soul. Everything else, it’s going to far exceeded anything we’re capable of.
And creative and original musicians will make AI irrelevant. There, you can skip this video.
Message!!!!! Thanks Barry 🎉
Us musicians presume AI will never match our "human feel". We're wrong.
AI doesn't need a "soul", it copies humans with soul instead.
The PUBLIC will accept AI music and not be able to hear the "difference."
At that point, a "career" as a human musician will be ........... a pipedream, even concerts will be AI eventually.
AI will replace human audio engineers, too. Both in the studio, and in live venues.
AI will soon manufacture guitars too. THAT will kill the collector/vintage $$$ market. WOW.
we'll see..
@@HR2635 I could be wrong of course😋
I would love it if I never had the program drums again, if AI could do that. I'd be perfectly happy.
The vid that convinced me to subscribe was when you shared a little about your faith. If I recall correctly, you went on record to say something along the lines that you would likely not bring it up again.
I was pleasantly surprised when you did, and what you did share within the larger context of AI and music did give me a little to think about. Keep doing what you do. =)
I said back in the 90's that computers and digital technology was going to destroy the world
Click bait. Please stop it. As someone who works with AI daily it won't make musicians irrelevant. There will always be people who want to connect will real people and not a machine or algo. That's the bottom line.
I simply don't believe that, people with souls are turned off by AI anything - and rightly so.
9:40 yes! So on point there! People who so the craft!
Ai won't replace some things in music... My own music is specifically designed to be exceptionally difficult for ai to ape because it is so idiomatic and is all played by a human and produced in a way that highlights it's eccentricities. Taste for the idiomatic is the solution. Mixing my second single