Finally i was able to obtain the 1000 series starter from a supplier on Amazon here in Canada. It cost $187 plus tax. I was quite nervous about the whole operation of cutting away a part of the nose. I couldn't see clearly some angles on the video to show exactly where the cut was made but it was good enough. I have a 10/60 around the mid sixties and there was a separate plate attached to the engine plate which served to hold the original Lucas starter. I removed this, cut away about an inch of the lower nose cone and tried it in situ it snagged a little on the flywheel. I then cut another 1/4 inch off and it fit very well. My starter was attached with 5/8 bolts rather than studs. I just put the two easy ones in and tighted them fully feeling that they will hold very well. Good cables and tight clean contact area is required as is a good battery. Thank you so much for this video, it overcame the old starter problems that often melted all the terminals and gave new life to this lovely tractor of which i have four. Now i will move onto the alternator video so that the battery can be kept charged. Again i very much appreciated all your videos on the Nuffields, thank you for doing them. Michael
Thanks for your great video,took your advise and installed the updated starter motor into my 1060 nuffield and started right up after sitting for three years.
My 1060 had a CAV starter , they are difficult too repair, a few years back I fitted a Lucas from a Ford 5000 , I put the solenoid on top , their is a lot less metal to b cut off that way , only downside I have to take off starter to service air cleaner
Hello John Stevenson my son is rebuilding a 1060 with a 5.1 bmc engine block is cracked if we don’t manage to repair this have you any 5.1 you wold sell
Thank you very much for these videos, from Spain. Would these Ford starters fit for my tractor? Is it some model in Concrete starter engine? Motransa Nufield
Hi! I was doing this kind of fitting for my BMC 5.1 OEB, but it still has the original housing or plate to be exact from the truck engine it was used for. The starter fits fine there, but I noticed that my flywheel has the teeth on the side of the clutch plate instead of like in nuffields which is that the teeth are on the side of the engine. I can modify the plate that attaches the clutch housing (for a truck) and the starter motor so that I can get starter engaging the teeth. This isn't really ideal... I don't really care about this plate as it will be replaced with Nuffield flywheel housing at some point and the fly wheel it self as well. I was wondering if I can some how shift the teeth on the flywheel so I don't need to start doing excessive grinding or if it's indeed a different flywheel that Nuffields have... Thanks!
@@montegoson Thought so. Well this isn't an issue ATM just asking. I probably get correct parts anyway when I actually start fitting this to a tractor.
So good news on the starter front. Took mine in to have it rebuilt. Quoted $200 plus parts. Said go ahead.... Old timer behind the counter says.."you know I think we have new replacement for those in our warehouse. He checked, they did $220 for the new one. Came in two days later, looks right, brand new. Haven't installed yet but will update when I do. Thanks
I would like to clarify a comment made by montegoson re the number of teeth on the pinion, 10 as opposed to 11 using a Ford unit as a replacement starter motor Have I construed it correcty, that this difference does not seem to matter when fitted to a 4/60 ?. Asinformed the originals are near impossible to find. I need a new starter for I of my 3 4/60s These are used for boat launching on the east coast of the North Island of New Zealand ( Coromandel Peninsula. I really like to follow motegoson,s articles.
What I discovered when I first started looking into Nuffield & Leyland starters is that upto and including the 10/60 a Lucas M45 starter was fitted with 11 teeth. When the 4/65 came into production a Lucas M50 starter was fitted with 10 teeth. My investigations revealed that the same ring gear was used on all these tractors. 10 or 11 teeth it does not matter they both mesh correctly. The Ford starter is very similar to the later 4/65 an Leyland starter but has the smaller 3 5/8 register so fits into the early Nuffield starter aperture.
@@montegoson thanks this it my first tractor and me and my son is going to be fixing up so I would like to apologise now as I will probably be asking more questions
Yes the later Universals had the same back plate as the 10/60. If you have the earlier back plate then you may have to trim a little length off the starter nose and a bit of grinding generally but I have fitted one to a early Universal myself.
@@montegoson excellent, thanks for the fast reply. I've been struggling with a weak starter for years with few options here in Canada. I'm definitely trying this
hellos I came to see your video the starter of my 10/60 does not work any more you referance of the starter that you adapt for the 10/60 all my greetings. alain
montegoson I don't know how long thay had this. But it's about 20 euro more expensive than the unmodified. I saw that after I bought it. Otherwise I had cut it myself. I googled my old starter and came up with this notch, so It wasn't so hard to accomplish. So it's not only your idea ;-)
Dr.Zee live in Canada and tip my hat to you on your knowledge, saved my tractor's life, thank you for sharing.
The grasping hand is always empty. Only the hand that gives is always full!
Works a treat, less than an hour and 10/60 back on the buton, thanks
Thanks alot, it works perfectly with the ford T15 starter on my 3dl
Finally i was able to obtain the 1000 series starter from a supplier on Amazon here in Canada. It cost $187 plus tax. I was quite nervous about the whole operation of cutting away a part of the nose. I couldn't see clearly some angles on the video to show exactly where the cut was made but it was good enough. I have a 10/60 around the mid sixties and there was a separate plate attached to the engine plate which served to hold the original Lucas starter. I removed this, cut away about an inch of the lower nose cone and tried it in situ it snagged a little on the flywheel. I then cut another 1/4 inch off and it fit very well. My starter was attached with 5/8 bolts rather than studs. I just put the two easy ones in and tighted them fully feeling that they will hold very well. Good cables and tight clean contact area is required as is a good battery.
Thank you so much for this video, it overcame the old starter problems that often melted all the terminals and gave new life to this lovely tractor of which i have four.
Now i will move onto the alternator video so that the battery can be kept charged.
Again i very much appreciated all your videos on the Nuffields, thank you for doing them.
Michael
Thanks for your great video,took your advise and installed the updated starter motor into my 1060 nuffield and started right up after sitting for three years.
Happy Christmas Rick - great helpful info as usual.
Thank you so much! Just installed a new starter in my 1962 460 and it works like a dream!
👍👍👍
Just done mine on 1060 worked a treat got a Lucas ford took less than one hour two alter and fit and IAM no fitter tks👍
@8.29 A Wickes Ruler, Top Man!
مرحبا لك وشكراً لك ع هذا العمل تقوم به
Very useful video Rick, that 5.1 is a peach, is it going into a tractor? All the best for the new year
Yes, hopefully quite soon. Maybe a video of the conversion!
My 1060 had a CAV starter , they are difficult too repair, a few years back I fitted a Lucas from a Ford 5000 , I put the solenoid on top , their is a lot less metal to b cut off that way , only downside I have to take off starter to service air cleaner
Yes you are correct, it can be fitted in that position but as you say it is difficult to service the air filter.
Hello John Stevenson my son is rebuilding a 1060 with a 5.1 bmc engine block is cracked if we don’t manage to repair this have you any 5.1 you wold sell
Hi,
Thanks for great videos
I have a 10/42 with a broken starter motor.
Does this also works for my machine?
//Micke
Yes
Thank you very much for these videos, from Spain. Would these Ford starters fit for my tractor? Is it some model in Concrete starter engine?
Motransa Nufield
The starter you need is fitted to Ford tractors 2000,3000,4000,5000 right through to TW25
@@montegoson Thank you... GRACIAS
Hi! I was doing this kind of fitting for my BMC 5.1 OEB, but it still has the original housing or plate to be exact from the truck engine it was used for. The starter fits fine there, but I noticed that my flywheel has the teeth on the side of the clutch plate instead of like in nuffields which is that the teeth are on the side of the engine.
I can modify the plate that attaches the clutch housing (for a truck) and the starter motor so that I can get starter engaging the teeth. This isn't really ideal... I don't really care about this plate as it will be replaced with Nuffield flywheel housing at some point and the fly wheel it self as well.
I was wondering if I can some how shift the teeth on the flywheel so I don't need to start doing excessive grinding or if it's indeed a different flywheel that Nuffields have... Thanks!
I think you need to fit the Nuffield flywheel.
@@montegoson Thought so. Well this isn't an issue ATM just asking. I probably get correct parts anyway when I actually start fitting this to a tractor.
Anyone know if this modification will work for the Leyland 154? Or have alternative part that will?
Perry Gorman No, starters for that tractor are a problem to find. You need to talk to John Poulter
@@montegoson thanks for the response!
Have a rebuild shop in my town. But... They are 4 weeks out so it would be nice to find something else.
So good news on the starter front. Took mine in to have it rebuilt. Quoted $200 plus parts. Said go ahead.... Old timer behind the counter says.."you know I think we have new replacement for those in our warehouse. He checked, they did $220 for the new one. Came in two days later, looks right, brand new. Haven't installed yet but will update when I do. Thanks
I would like to clarify a comment made by montegoson re the number of teeth on the pinion, 10 as opposed to 11 using a Ford unit as a replacement starter motor Have I construed it correcty, that this difference does not seem to matter when fitted to a 4/60 ?. Asinformed the originals are near impossible to find. I need a new starter for I of my 3 4/60s These are used for boat launching on the east coast of the North Island of New Zealand ( Coromandel Peninsula. I really like to follow motegoson,s articles.
What I discovered when I first started looking into Nuffield & Leyland starters is that upto and including the 10/60 a Lucas M45 starter was fitted with 11 teeth. When the 4/65 came into production a Lucas M50 starter was fitted with 10 teeth. My investigations revealed that the same ring gear was used on all these tractors. 10 or 11 teeth it does not matter they both mesh correctly. The Ford starter is very similar to the later 4/65 an Leyland starter but has the smaller 3 5/8 register so fits into the early Nuffield starter aperture.
Helo guys can I ask the best way to cut the shaft and the end of the starter motor thanks
If you have a Leyland starter you can use the head flange with any Lucas Motor ,,,that can match,,
Is this a question or a statement?
Hello will a ferguson starter motor fit a nuffield or could i make it fit
Hi, I have no idea but at a guess I would say the window in the nose cone will be 180deg out!
@@montegoson thanks ive not seen the ferguson starter motor but I was offered one and then thought I'd ask you what you thought
@@williammcevoy9870 Most Fergusons have the starter on the left side of the engine so the window is likely to be in the wrong place
@@montegoson thanks this it my first tractor and me and my son is going to be fixing up so I would like to apologise now as I will probably be asking more questions
@@williammcevoy9870 Have you been to WWW.nuffieldtractor.com ?
Do you think this will work on my 4DM Universal 4?
Yes the later Universals had the same back plate as the 10/60. If you have the earlier back plate then you may have to trim a little length off the starter nose and a bit of grinding generally but I have fitted one to a early Universal myself.
@@montegoson excellent, thanks for the fast reply. I've been struggling with a weak starter for years with few options here in Canada. I'm definitely trying this
@@tizbass Can you send a picture of where the starter nose in the back plate meets the bell housing rubber strip?
montegoson I’ll be out in the shop tomorrow. I’ll have a look
How can I send you a pic?
hellos
I came to see your video the starter of my 10/60 does not work any more you referance of the starter that you adapt for the 10/60
all my greetings.
alain
The starter motor I modified is for a Ford 5000
@@montegoson Thank you very much for your quick response
your video is very intersting
good hello from Belgium.
alain
This was bolt on, already modified. I got this for my 4DM engine :-)
www.traktordelar.net/traktordelar/nuffieldleyland/startmotor.html
That is very interesting. If you look closely you can see the saw cuts where it has been modified. Another example of someone profiting from my ideas.
montegoson I don't know how long thay had this. But it's about 20 euro more expensive than the unmodified. I saw that after I bought it. Otherwise I had cut it myself.
I googled my old starter and came up with this notch, so It wasn't so hard to accomplish. So it's not only your idea ;-)