Nat Friedman (Github CEO) - Reading Ancient Scrolls, Open Source, & AI

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  • Опубліковано 5 лис 2024

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  • @DwarkeshPatel
    @DwarkeshPatel  Місяць тому +26

    For the latest updates on the Vesuvius Challenge, visit: scrollprize.org/winners

    • @EarthAngel_Daughter_Of_GOD888
      @EarthAngel_Daughter_Of_GOD888 Місяць тому +2

      The holy spirit of source of all the that is of living things and of all creations is infinite energy source of light so coincidentally a Lightbody so use all different spectrums of light and light fractals and there vibrational frequencies at once... If there is even such a machine in existence that can't do...That's is my first instinctual thought... It reminds me of the story of Cinderella and I think that shoe will fit!!! 888

  • @zackleonard8559
    @zackleonard8559 Місяць тому +233

    The first team already succeeded in reading a scroll this year. It amazingly listed the supposed burial place of Plato, which had been lost for 1000s of years.

    • @Mr-E.
      @Mr-E. Місяць тому +30

      That is great to hear! I just Googled it and found the articles. Very interesting that he was buried in the gardens of his Athens academy..

    • @emilyannamanda
      @emilyannamanda Місяць тому +1

      Amazing guys

    • @partysuvius
      @partysuvius Місяць тому +3

      WAIT, THEY JUST HAPPENED TO DO THAT ONE FIRST?!? Holy wow. I wonder what other precious information is in the scrolls

    • @partysuvius
      @partysuvius Місяць тому +2

      @@Mr-E.awwwww wait that’s such a lovely place to be burieddddd
      He was clearly someone with great sentimentalities

  • @FredPauling
    @FredPauling Рік тому +482

    How have the views on this video not exploded? This is the most perfect confluence of science, history, technology, AI, entrepreneurial spirit, and exciting possibilities.

    • @Kiloho951
      @Kiloho951 9 місяців тому +4

      Totally agree!

    • @NABILMIKDAME
      @NABILMIKDAME 8 місяців тому +1

      Good

    • @sandmans1987
      @sandmans1987 2 місяці тому +11

      That’s how you know the UA-cam algorithm is broken!

    • @Smcsnacks
      @Smcsnacks Місяць тому +10

      People aren't ready for the truth

    • @johndconstantine
      @johndconstantine Місяць тому +7

      @@Smcsnacks ha. Stop being a theory conspiracionist. You don’t wanna be associated with the bible readers.

  • @markusenglund4622
    @markusenglund4622 5 місяців тому +134

    You should try to get Nat back on the podcast (and maybe some of the prize winners) now that the challenge has been completed!

    • @nisaba5752
      @nisaba5752 Місяць тому +20

      Where would there be updates on this project?

    • @Uno_Floydd
      @Uno_Floydd Місяць тому

      @@nisaba5752cricket bracelet scam it smells like

    • @ljcl1859
      @ljcl1859 Місяць тому +6

      Yes. This is an amazing story. I would love to here the creator of the prize talk about what it was like getting these breakthroughs.

  • @sucim
    @sucim Рік тому +56

    "I don't assume the world is efficient anymore" I love that realization! I can process it consciously but subconsciously I still have this tendency to assume the EMH. I need to learn to look at these things I would usually brush off because of it with more nuance

    • @jg-bf7ik
      @jg-bf7ik Місяць тому

      Really. The EMH? Do you assume everyone knows what that means?...

    • @beasttammer9265
      @beasttammer9265 4 дні тому

      I dont

  • @InfiniteCuriousity
    @InfiniteCuriousity 11 місяців тому +21

    What an insightful interview! Nat seems like a clear thinker who values playful experimentation as a mechanism for getting that clarity. Very refreshing.

  • @DwarkeshPatel
    @DwarkeshPatel  Рік тому +65

    Hope you enjoy! This one was fascinating!

    • @nisaba5752
      @nisaba5752 Місяць тому +2

      Any updates about this?

    • @elements970
      @elements970 Місяць тому +3

      And AI....meaning what exactly? Is AI interpreting as IT sees what it would be? Or....please elaborate? What exactly does this tech have in the degree of interpretation,or is it simply in the unravelment tech of these scrolls? Or is it literally all based on AI TECH?

    • @jen8063
      @jen8063 Місяць тому +1

      Thank you so much. Very interesting

    • @Monica-ds8dc
      @Monica-ds8dc Місяць тому

      @@nisaba5752 as of 2 months ago. ua-cam.com/video/5vpUWQcE3lQ/v-deo.htmlsi=2UGR-iPtZRR31Z9a

  • @shrikant23jituri
    @shrikant23jituri 6 місяців тому +35

    A great example is this video with just 14k views that world is not efficient. Insightful video. Lots of learn.

    • @dippitydoo8575
      @dippitydoo8575 Місяць тому +5

      Looks like it’s finally gaining some traction. The views are now almost 30k

  • @seaview1997
    @seaview1997 Місяць тому +9

    Thank you.
    I found this interview from the short about the Vesuvius Challenge and almost turned it off after you covered that. Instead I found a fascinating interview with a person I had never heard of but was blown out of the water by who was interviewed by someone I also had never heard of but was one of the most skilled interviewers I have ever seen.
    I am fully aware that a good 50% of what you spoke about went over my head, I am not a programmer, I have only passing knowledge of current AI development, but you somehow managed to skirt the line of making the incomprehensible interesting to follow and challenged me to think. Thank you, again.
    I have now subscribed to the podcast and want to follow what Nat is up to.

  • @vivekkunwarpal
    @vivekkunwarpal Рік тому +16

    Production Quality of your content is increasing day by day.
    But your content(specially questions) are always mind blowing and I love that most.

  • @telotawa
    @telotawa Рік тому +83

    man i really hope that place is excavated more and we get a whole massive library of ancient texts, that would be so cool

    • @raoultesla2292
      @raoultesla2292 Рік тому +4

      Sooner the algo reads, scans our history, the sooner religion and banking cease. Bunch of Sneetches bumping into each other, this is going to be a circus.

    • @yang8244
      @yang8244 Рік тому +3

      You would read them?

    • @apollograyling-hastur3995
      @apollograyling-hastur3995 Місяць тому

      @@yang8244I definitely would

    • @nisaba5752
      @nisaba5752 Місяць тому

      ​@@yang8244EVERYONE would read them!!!! The Christian bible might even be added to,or rewritten! New plays,a better understanding of the knowledge and wisdom we have from famous philosophers... even history. The Romans,when they invaded all these different countries,wrote home about the people they encountered there-- the languages,stories,histories of those places. Those Roman letters were copied and kept in archives,or sent on to the Vatican.
      These scrolls could have that information!!! Me and lots of people with Scottish heritage,for example would be SO EXCITED to have more info on the Picts of Scotland...very little is known about them today!!
      Wow this is certainly exciting😊

    • @JamesLeeHall
      @JamesLeeHall Місяць тому

      It would be so much easier to read all these by forcing the Vatican to open its library to everyone. Or at least the information. Countries stolen items from other countries and those stolen properties were returned. No one can tell me that the Vatican did not loot Alexandria before the fire. In fact;I think Rome probably burned the Library of Alexandria. There is no telling what could be learned,from the knowledge,in the Vatican. The Roman Catholic Church is hoarding knowledge. This act is not Christian. The Vatican would know for sure if Jesus Was married. If Jesus was married;it would not change that He is and was the Son of God. Actually it’s logical that Jesus would have been married. Ravi’s were not allowed to teach in the Synagogue,when they were age 30,unless they were married. So there’s a great chance that Mary Magdalene was Jesus’s wife. It’s actually not blasphemy. It’s blasphemy saying He was married and didn’t sacrifice Himself on the cross(through crucifixion). There are stories that Mary was pregnant by Jesus. This actually does not contradict Jesus,as being the Son of God. Jesus received the Holy Spirit when He was baptized. Then He received more during His 40 days of fasting. Jesus said I am in God & God is in me. I believe this is the Holy Spirit. Jesus was basically at full strength(excuse my choice of words) at His Transfiguration. Where Jesus was His true self(like we were meant to be) as a being of pure light. Then at the Garden of Gethsemane,Jesus prayed that the Holy Spirit would go back to God. That’s why Jesus was upset that the apostles couldn’t stay awake. It’s not that he knew Judas was betraying Him. Jesus knew the exact second that Judas would show up. The apostles were to watch the Holy Spirit going back to God,so they would learn what Jesus said about God being in Him and He being in God.

  • @angelomontinola1476
    @angelomontinola1476 Рік тому +8

    This is my new favorite Interview Channel!

  • @zhuzhou
    @zhuzhou Рік тому +36

    The Sci-fi element comes from "Use of Weapons" by Iain Banks - during negotiation with a more primitive planet, they 1) as a matter of course, scan every building and the ground to a depth of 10 meters, on the entire planet 2) As part of that, they find some old lost poems 3) During negotiations, mention "By the way, would you like to see 50 unknown poems from your greatest historical poet?"
    This was mind-blowing to read for me when I first hit it. Imagine getting a copy of Shakespeare's private diary... or lost stories from biblical times, or earlier. Amazing!

  • @ichraumauf5532
    @ichraumauf5532 Місяць тому +11

    Once deciphered, will the texts be made publicly made available, so they can be read and translated in a crowdsourced way in all languages? Will you work with publishers?

  • @videowatching9576
    @videowatching9576 Рік тому +2

    Fascinating point about importance to recognize that world not efficient, and so look for where an idea might not be being done but should.

  • @MaraaDee
    @MaraaDee Місяць тому +10

    At 0:33, my sentiments, exactly. Can we get an update on this?!

  • @temjim
    @temjim 7 місяців тому +1

    Great interview, thanks Dwarkesh! Nat Friedman is now my new spirit animal. :D

  • @vanessanascimento2280
    @vanessanascimento2280 Місяць тому +4

    Caray, porque ninguém tá comentando sobre isso? Tem história antiga, um acelerador de partículas, um prêmio em dinheiro, IA, uma cidade enterrada. 😮😮😮😮 Isso é melhor que o plot de Indiana Jones.

    • @v.v.9.9.
      @v.v.9.9. Місяць тому

      Exatamente. Mas a Deolane sendo presa reúne centenas de pessoas. O que é importante de verdade não é divulgado, não é comentado, não tem como fazer piada sobre. Eu estou animadíssima com este tópico e espero que consigamos acessar o conhecimento em breve!

  • @Ibrahim_Abouzied
    @Ibrahim_Abouzied Рік тому +15

    Fantastic episode. I'm all over AI, this is exactly what I needed.

  • @eldermillennial8330
    @eldermillennial8330 22 дні тому +1

    35:40
    This isn’t so odd; when Einstein’s first wife divorced him, he stayed at Fritz Haber’s house for several months until he got his own apartment.

  • @vanessanascimento2280
    @vanessanascimento2280 Місяць тому +10

    Please, can someone find a way to translate these papyri and after they are translated, can someone create a Netflix with the images where subscribers will have the opportunity to translate and send their translations and compare them with other translators and be able to follow the sending of other newly discovered papyri? This would be better than Kindle! Note: If this idea works, I will come to ask for my copyright.😂😂😂😂😂

  • @cloudpuffer224
    @cloudpuffer224 Місяць тому +32

    I dont think you need to read the scroll... you need to know what isnt words. if you use an extremely thin scanning device you can see what is blank and what is not by establishing a control for "blank" from what you already have. You need that control because obvious environmental factors have left the paper tainted. once you know whats blank you can see whats not and thats your text.

    • @sky.the.infinite
      @sky.the.infinite Місяць тому +5

      This hurt my brain to read 🫠

    • @mommamay01
      @mommamay01 Місяць тому +5

      Think about it like a puzzle of all blue balloons except for one red one- once you know whats blue​, youll know what isnt blue can only be red. @sky.the.infinite

    • @me_1792
      @me_1792 Місяць тому +3

      Instead of reading the black lines, You read the white space

  • @partysuvius
    @partysuvius Місяць тому

    Plato would be immensely proud of the students who aided in the recovery of the first scroll’s text ^^

  • @tryI0
    @tryI0 Рік тому +11

    FYI, your channel doesn't show up as a podcast on YT Music. Not sure how you go about doing that, but it'd be nice.

  • @gwengwen4535
    @gwengwen4535 10 днів тому +1

    Not just a library, records and leans. Deeds and titles. Births and deaths etc.

  • @Aedonius
    @Aedonius Рік тому +10

    There is a project to digitize the Vatican Archive, but they are extremely slow. I'm sure it would speed up if some people would throw money at them. Also, I wouldn't doubt it if they have quite a few scrolls that they can't open.

    • @apollograyling-hastur3995
      @apollograyling-hastur3995 Місяць тому +4

      The church might be a little apprehensive about letting just anyone have access to the knowledge they have. And if someone threw money at the project they’d likely do it with the stipulation that they get copies that they can do what they please with.

    • @kabetharatnam5846
      @kabetharatnam5846 Місяць тому +1

      Why though? Why be apprehensive?

    • @B-_-Wild
      @B-_-Wild Місяць тому

      Does money really need to be thrown at the Vatican?!?!? I mean c'mon that place has so much money 💰 for so long its unfathomable... as a very minute example i just watched the docu called "Vatican girl" & it tells how they laundered dirty money thru frances oldest family bank that was known to help with such activity & gets caught up in a diff simultaneous scandel decades back that exposed all thier highly questionable accts held within, such as the local mafia who dwells in that same area as the Vatican & essentially the docu goes into great lengths telling how the two groups engaged and had entangled monetary situations that led to the mafia taking a Vatican employees daughter for ransom and or in collusion with top ranking Vatican officials. Making the link to when the that French bank fell & leaving the mafia owed lots and perhaps their dollars getting cleaned thru the church and others & let it be known the church was also using the same cleaning services. But ultimately the mafia felt the church owed them a great deal. To share the summary of the docu concerning the girl, thru a much more recent onlinr leaked document discovery it was shown the vatican whole heartedly knew what happened with the girl & in fact kept her alive for years, despite claiming otherwise. So sad, but no real pinpointed conclusion leading to a body, despite the despair & dedication from her loved ones since the 15 vanished in '83

    • @roseg1333
      @roseg1333 Місяць тому

      @@kabetharatnam5846 people can use knowledge for evil and perverse and twist it to their own means

    • @roseg1333
      @roseg1333 Місяць тому +1

      I don’t think money will motivate the church as it shouldn’t

  • @EthanBaker2011
    @EthanBaker2011 Місяць тому

    New to your content as of today, a short of this video drew me here, excited to learn more.

  • @hectorjelly
    @hectorjelly Рік тому +1

    Great interview, I really enjoyed this.

  • @danielposner676
    @danielposner676 Місяць тому +9

    To those wondering why this video hasnt blown up…its because these scrolls are t o a s t … a bronze statue, a marble stone, is not a papyrus scroll covered in mud and ash and baked by the heat of a volcanic eruption

  • @mgetommy
    @mgetommy Рік тому +2

    Amazing. How does this have so few views

  • @woophereigo9755
    @woophereigo9755 Місяць тому +1

    *_Raise it to 1 million doll hairs, and my programming ass will get on it._* PhD in machine learning, and specialize in exactly what you're looking into in terms of graphics, recognition of pixels, etc. I've got to say, you've overcomplicated this in a lot of ways on the way to find the right process. But I'm proud of you and all the work you've done to get all this data, and to all the people involved.
    Raise the cap. More people will be interested.
    If you're lucky enough to find me, you'll find a bunch of my art.

  • @lukesmith3283
    @lukesmith3283 Місяць тому +2

    Have they been able to digitize the scrolls? We’re they successful?

  • @anirbanc88
    @anirbanc88 Рік тому +2

    this guy is supercool! learnt a lot, thank you

  • @FC-uo6dh
    @FC-uo6dh Місяць тому

    I just read the article on their website about the winners of 2023. It was fascinating. 🎉

  • @Finite8614
    @Finite8614 Рік тому

    So cool. Wish there were more people like this in the world

  • @onlinealiasuk
    @onlinealiasuk Місяць тому +2

    Only a timy proportion of Herculaneum has being excervated. What if another Personal library is down there

  • @sanbell6951
    @sanbell6951 2 місяці тому +3

    This is like enabling a time machine to go into the past if they succeeed.

  • @Edwin-nl3qu
    @Edwin-nl3qu 11 місяців тому +1

    35:00 IMO thats feature not a bug. Wall street inherently has more value destructive dynamics in play (driven by incentives set by a credit based system). Tech and especially soft tech has a very different set of dynamics.
    These incumbents may make a few billion extra each by closely guarding a few secrets but IMO they stand to gain hundreds of billions or more by opening up the tech and accelerating it. They positioned perfectly in terms of scale, distribution and knowhow to thrive in a world where AI is more normal than magical.

  • @jcay1971
    @jcay1971 Місяць тому +1

    Such an interesting conversation!

  • @fpmoreno
    @fpmoreno Місяць тому +2

    What happened with the scrolls?

  • @zacharyjones7616
    @zacharyjones7616 9 місяців тому

    Best interviewer in the game.

  • @alexanderschmidt7979
    @alexanderschmidt7979 Місяць тому

    Can you actually see some translated texts somewhere? I couldn't find anything online besides a couple lines and that they had ne information about platos grave or something

  • @blakebaird119
    @blakebaird119 6 місяців тому +2

    Did they solve it?

  • @samkaufman1060
    @samkaufman1060 Рік тому +3

    This was so cool

  • @Kimmy1783
    @Kimmy1783 Місяць тому +1

    So it’s been a year what’s the update?

  • @lisaviglio4984
    @lisaviglio4984 2 місяці тому +2

    Update???

  • @emm6724
    @emm6724 Місяць тому +2

    I can’t believe how many were destroyed 🙈

  • @Monica-ds8dc
    @Monica-ds8dc Місяць тому +7

    He doesn’t know if any historical documents about Jesus existed? A quick search would tell you of Flavius Josephus, Tacitus or Suetonius, all of which speak of or mention Jesus in their writings.

    • @EmersonSistare320
      @EmersonSistare320 Місяць тому +1

      All those examples were figures born after 33AD. There is not, to my knowledge, a document mentioning the existence of Christ from the estimated time period of his life roughly 6BC - 4BC to late 20s early 30s CE

    • @Monica-ds8dc
      @Monica-ds8dc 29 днів тому

      @@EmersonSistare320 but still. People can remember what happened 33 years before. People that spoke with Him were still alive. These historians had no reason to make it up. But the act that Jesus made such a huge impact that people were still talking about him 33 years later is significant in and of itself.

    • @maslanman1993
      @maslanman1993 14 днів тому

      How many dead celebrities from the 90s are still talked about, and their stories embellished since they died? Lots. Future historians find just a few stacks of tabloids, there you go.
      There are plenty of reasons to make up stories about "him", Roman historians literally believed the point of writing histories was not just to record but also teach a version of societal decorum and righteousness. They're patently unreliable.
      Also here's your daily reminder that the Catholic Church and most other established religions are responsible for much of not most of the world's bloodshed and suffering through history! Yay Christ!

  • @larryhand7219
    @larryhand7219 Місяць тому +2

    Maybe there will be a scroll of Daniel that has been sealed. Daniel was told to seal the information up in a scroll until the end of time. Hopefully there is another floor with 1000’s of scrolls and a section with a ton of Hebrew scrolls

  • @partysuvius
    @partysuvius Місяць тому

    Is it actual AI or just a program under the moniker?

    • @TimothyCho
      @TimothyCho 4 дні тому

      Depends on you definition of AI, but it does leverage machine learning.

  • @1961Lara
    @1961Lara Місяць тому

    This is fascinating.

  • @emilyannamanda
    @emilyannamanda Місяць тому

    Incredible!!!

  • @jvnvcigor
    @jvnvcigor Рік тому

    Took me forever to find this.

  • @jamespocaigue
    @jamespocaigue Місяць тому

    Would lidar work?

  • @emilyannamanda
    @emilyannamanda Місяць тому

    What the 60 minute video of 1.2 million views, but this was made first

  • @urisbdbcn
    @urisbdbcn Рік тому +1

    So cool

  • @GoGreenHeating
    @GoGreenHeating Рік тому

    LiDAR scan the Villa.. find the lost scrolls.

  • @angelomontinola1476
    @angelomontinola1476 11 місяців тому

    Fascinating!!!!!!!

  • @sandmans1987
    @sandmans1987 2 місяці тому +1

    This is great I home we can read them.

  • @elements970
    @elements970 Місяць тому +8

    This is actually over a year old. There has been no updates and AI is incredibly questionabley involved in the entire process. So as far as 💯 proof of what is in these scrolls....as i said this is over a year old eith no update, and no physical proof as to the contents of said scrolls. Tats the facts. PLEASE, IF I AM WRONG ENLIGHTEN ME. I LOVE KNOWLEDGE BASED IN PROVABLE FACT.

    • @polkadottedranger
      @polkadottedranger Місяць тому

      Easily searched in Google though. Look for the "Vesuvius Challenge"
      It's still ongoing now.

    • @cchris5958
      @cchris5958 Місяць тому

      There has been. Just Google it, scientific american has an article OR contact the universities and organizations for updates. I am South Africa, and I found scientific journal entries about this project in a matter of seconds. Do better. kNowLdge BaSed in ProVabLe FAcT 🤡 but you are too lazy to do your own research or verify findings 🙄

  • @665Iron
    @665Iron 18 днів тому

    A real CEO

  • @yasseen75
    @yasseen75 6 місяців тому +1

    47:17 Developers developers developers developers

  • @Haahr1805
    @Haahr1805 26 днів тому

    He sounds excatly like cody from Cody's Lab haha

  • @BigGeorge389
    @BigGeorge389 Місяць тому

    That's awesome

  • @DRV13
    @DRV13 Місяць тому

    Information about dacians

  • @deusCRO
    @deusCRO 12 днів тому

    copy paste description...impressed

  • @MrShennoi
    @MrShennoi Місяць тому +1

    Full episode:
    “ Nat Friedman (Github CEO) - Reading Ancient Scrolls, Open Source, & Al “
    You’re welcome.

  • @Devin-zn9xv
    @Devin-zn9xv Місяць тому

    You Phoenician

  • @rickpereira8821
    @rickpereira8821 Місяць тому

    I think Nat Friedman's ideas around "efficiency" are far too simplistic. There are no "systems" in the world that are truly capable of thinking and acting in those terms, across organizations, or rather organization-spanning criteria. Because of this I agree with him about the world being incredibly "inefficient".
    Take the problems of climate change for example: their resolution requires criteria and perspectives that don't exist across governments, business, the international elite, or any other single group or group of groups, so it won't ever be solved.

  • @nobodyspecial.1312
    @nobodyspecial.1312 Місяць тому

    Burnt taquitos

  • @gillieography
    @gillieography Місяць тому +2

    I feel like a powerful entity in Rome might interfere if y’all get too close to reading these ancient scripts.

  • @THeHvacpOeT
    @THeHvacpOeT Місяць тому

    I didn’t see one scroll to even analyze it.. 😆

  • @Kimmy1783
    @Kimmy1783 Місяць тому +5

    Around minute 16, “find something about early Christianity, maybe tried be something that the church wouldn’t want, I mean, that would be exciting to me!” Really dude? So you have an agenda….perhaps just figure out how to read the scrolls to begin with, what if your discovery proved Christ’s resurrection? Would you then study the Bible as hard as you study other random topics?

    • @natfriedman5149
      @natfriedman5149 Місяць тому +2

      Sure, that would be amazing

    • @cchris5958
      @cchris5958 Місяць тому +2

      It would be exciting whether contradictory or affirming. Take off your tinfoil hat.

  • @AdBound
    @AdBound Рік тому +1

    4k views 😂

  • @das250250
    @das250250 Рік тому +3

    My bet is there won't be a mention of jesus

    • @tamipierce5916
      @tamipierce5916 Місяць тому +1

      I bet even if there was it would only be mentioned if it fit the Jewish narrative....!!

  • @1961Lara
    @1961Lara Місяць тому

    This is fascinating.