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WOW every video someone posts the exact same theory, yet every time a new idiot reposts it and it gets 400 likes, maybe all his viewers are bots as well?
At 6:10 for the newspapers, it's not a bot just designed to acquire play time, there's always a monetary purpose for it. I'm part of the osrs collections community and this is a tradeable non-ge item, so the right buyer might pay 500-1k+ per unit. You can find the community in the 'all bulks' fc in game if anyone is interested in collections/bulk supplies.
@@DarthBlazer. the whole fiasco with popular streamer Odablock getting perm banned by the anti cheating team for a supposed service that happened 2 years ago. Long story short, the theory that holds up well is that another streamer, Stella, who was dating Mod Trident (part of the anti cheating team) got Oda banned bc he started his own death matching CC so he was competing against her DM CC. This led people to believe that the anti cheating team or more specifically Mod Trident is corrupt.
The newspaper bots actually make sense to me. An item that's annoying to buy, is tradable but not on the GE can equal big money; at some point there will be some odd collector that will want to just buy stacks of the item.
Yeah same as broken gems, rotten food, burnt food, etc. Don't get why they want that stuff but you can make some decent extra cash if you bank junk and let it pile up
The newspaper bot probably sells the collection of news papers for a really sick profit because collectors will pay good money for huge stacks of items you can't buy at GE
Brother got hacked years ago and was inactive, so he returned to a banned account appealed it and got it back, it had like 10m and a shitload of crafting xp from the bot making bowstrings.
@@craigbeade8654 ^ this. You're getting your account 110% unbanned if it absolutely was highjacking. Honestly easiest ban to get squashed. Getting banned for "botting" if you actually didn't do it is combared to this like 50 times more complicated to get unbanned
It's actually not a bad idea to implement some sort of reward for busting bots. It couldn't be a gp reward though, since botters would make bot busting bots, to bust the bots they made. And then bust the bot busting bots.... Over and over again
The bot problem is way out of control these days. I've seen bots with 200mil xp, an bots with 50k+ vorkath kills. You'd think they would know they are a bot by then. Their detecting system is complete trash.
I think it’s always been either this bad or worse, but now it’s more visible since the new wildy bosses are outside of an instance and are running rampant. Ironically the exact scenario that was going on when then nerfed multi revs. It’s a never ending cycle
You're underselling the task, ie just how many bots there are and how many DO get banned. Remember how small a team the OSRS staff is and how complex an issue we're talking about.
@@amazingkool Ye mate but 17/20 of the leaderboards for every wildy boss are BOTS. Theres 1000s of bits with over 100m xp in rc, in smithing, mining, fishing any skill there's bots with insane amounts of xp UNDETECTED, some with NO OTHER STATS.
@@amazingkool I think you're overselling the copium tbh. Remember jagex is a half billion dollar company. Making a revenue of 1/5 of their worth every year. Pulling in record sales. Did they increase their anti cheat team? Are they throwing resources or show any direction of even tryin to tackle the problem? no lul. Even if they can't brush the surface of the problem. Don't be a small team anymore. Even if they accidentally make false positives in the efforts of trying, have customer support. They fail at even trying to be near satisfactory. The amount of bots they do ban are the utterly useless ones. Which is exactly what they do to help keep the publicity in line. No one cares about the 1k bots that broke on tutorial island. Let those bots waste the time. Id rather see 10 bots that are heavily impacting the game vs 1k that isn't doing jack shit.
This is why i always end up quitting. Doing 50-100kc of a boss, running past bots the whole time knowing they arent wasting their valuable life doing this makes me feel stupid for playing.
this made me not even wanna brag when i find dupes or glitches in games. by sharing I make people lose joy they have for the game. Better I just keep it on the low
For the priest in peril quest bots, they then go to Canafis rooftop agility course. As I was getting my outfit I would always see 5-6 on any world I was on doing the course.
I've also seen these Vetion bots. They all wear what is shown in the video, adamant kiteshield, Vigorra's chainmace, monk's robes, etc. They never get hit by vetion so they're not in combat and can log out instantly. If you can find them, you can hop to them to crash kills for really fast vetion KC!
The Carlyle Group doesn’t care about us, bots, or whatever. They see “number go up.” By the time the numbers are low enough for them to care, it’ll already be much too late.
Interesting that you talked at the end about the bots doing priest in peril quest, and probably be used for Canifis rooftop later, because I seen some on both w441 and w449 just yesterday 😮🤔🤔
I remember for ranging guild bots you could lure the archer guard guys down near the targets and the bots would occasionally attack the guards, then the guards autoretal to kill them
jagex's bot busting system looks for similarities in skills and actions. its not often a max level account bots so the odds of it getting banned are probably a lot lower
Honestly i think for most bots that are just people using for personal use they'll look the other way, it'd cost them a lot of money banning everyone and I think a significant percentage of the player base bots, more than we realize. They really only ban bots if it's obvious gold farming and rwt
I won’t be surprised in the next few years if Jagexs approach to kill off bots is to just start selling their own botting software that gives you reduced xp rates
Once AI becomes good enough to completely mimic a human player (which we are very close to already) - it will be virtually impossible for Jagex to stop bots. People won't even know they're not playing with real people anymore.
@@husky3g there's already a script out there that uses machine learning AI with mouse data, though it isn't full proof, bans do stuff happen, I know people that got 1800 account levels, lasted over 3 months before being banned, most likely player reports.
@@husky3gthe issue is that when they know you’re a grown ass dude and you play 24/7 with small breaks every 3 hours, you’ll still get banned and they’ll know it’s a bot
I started playing OSRS 2 months ago as a group Ironman. I came over from RS3 having maxed Ironman mode there. I find it extremely crazy the amount of bots I run into in OSRS in comparison to RS3. OSRS in my opinion needs a better bot busting system.
Perhaps Jagex should start an item ID system and when they ban a bot they also delete all the items that bot has created. I hate the thought of there being massive amounts of botted items in the economy reducing the value of what actual players create. Just banning a bot is clearly not sufficient because the botter can just make another one. This new system would greatly increase the value of issuing bans which take valuable manpower and resources to issue.
IDK how they'd implement that idea fairly. Imagine buying a whip off the G.E only to have it deleted & taken from you a few days later because it had been acquired & sold by a bot. I thought they already deleted items from the accounts that were banned anyway?
swear I saw a couple more of those Vet'ion bots recently. Didn't think much of it but you showing them log out instantly reminded me I have seen that a couple times this past week
Lots of players nowadays are maxed because of account service discord servers,wouldn't surprise me if they would buy private scripts for skilling as well
The bots buying newspapers could be mulling to a main who sells them to other players. People collect items that are tradable but not sold on the GE and sometimes pay a lot for them could easily turn 50 gp into anywhere from 750-2k per item. But they were probably also trying to get play time aswel.
If you hop worlds for like 2 minutes in Edgeville bank, you're going to see A LOT of rc bots with almost identical stats, most of them have like low levels but have 50m or more exp in rc. I even saw one with 120m exp in rc.
the thing with vettion is that if you dont get hit by any of his lightning or shadow attacks you can log out while attacking him because you havnt really been attacked therefore your not in combat the only time you cant avoid the combat loggout is when his dogs come out and actually melee you
The newspaper bots may be selling them to a collector, or just run by a collector. Newspapers can be traded player to player I believe but cannot be traded on the GE.
I just maxed an account from level 3 to Max in just 4 months, they even have a bot that does all quests in the game. Uses human mouse movement so undetectable.
The runecrafting botters are using a very simple auto clicker. There are no variables in the whole process.Banking at the crafting guild works because you teleport to the exact same spot every time. Same with teleporting to your house, then using the fairy ring, and then the short cuts. You walk the exact same path each time, so the screen remains fixed in one location, with the specific timed intervals between each click, rinse and repeat. Crafting guild bank combined with fairy ring in house can provide a multitude of methods for this simple style of botting, which can go undetected for a long time, provided you're smart about how often you do it. I did 99 fishing through karambwans this way, as well as 99 runecrafting through nature runes. Also some other skills like construction, prayer, cooking, smithing through blast furnace, agility
lol jagex has been able to detect things like that since ages ago. An exact number of clicks at an exact time interval, no random pauses or variation in click region? Not possible. And if there is, then it's a script not a simple auto clicker.
There are bots at Undead Druids that are doing the same thing the F2p mining bots are doing. They log in, hit one druid, scan for a player, say something like "f*** off" or "cmon" then hop.
In all seriousness, their is maybe 30% of the player base that still cares about the game and the day to day grind. Most people who max don’t play the game to do anything other than afk or do a few boss runs. People aren’t attached to the game to really play it. Even sir pugger doesn’t have a maxed main… the content creators only play the game for incentives not because it’s actually a good game anymore.
That was my first thought as well, but when he said the anti cheating team looked into it and it looked like all of them but one was botting for personal gain, I assumed they came to that conclusion by not seeing them trade or sell large quantities of these things, and also they probably see them actually playing the game on occasion and not just farming 24/7.
@@robertturley2974 I think they can also see from where an account is logging into the osrs servers which would be an easy way to see if an account is hacked
Those newspapers are tradeable player-to-player, so there's a market for them similar to burnt food. I don't know the prices but newspapers probably go for at least a couple hundred gp each, if not more.
Pugger I have a challenge for ya! I too, am not a good pker. I did build an *almost* maxed 1 def 60 att pure though, just to kill bots and pvmers for fun. There's two bot farms at revs and it took me DAYS to finally figure out the most effective ways to kill them(which actually included breaking 60 att) Their bot script auto teles, pray flicks, and insta logs FAST. There's a mid level 60's farm in red d hide at pyrefiends next to dark beasts in 29 wild, and mid level 80's directly north at demons/cyclops. All skulled. Challenge is, see how long it takes you to find a good method( they can tank too) AND you're not allowed to risk more than 2m. Protect item allowed. No claws, ags, or voidwaker.
Dude it’s not even hard to kill them… They pray based on ur main hand weapon… You have two options, either equip a staff and melee them of equip a melee or ranged weapon and mage them… best way is to wear occult neck, book of flames, fire surge while wearing a crossbow of d scim. It’s literally free gp
@@melanieh6536 no need to be a dev for this, they can easily hire some people to do this task. but they don't because this is the exact thing that keeps the game alive besides us old ppl enjoying the game we grew up with. they only ban the people that they know they would just create another account over and over so they spend more money buying bonds again.
Why doesn't Jagex just do manual checks on the top 100 kc for all the bosses in the game? It cannot be that hard. If they wasted resources checking Oda's account shit from 2 years ago surely they could spend the resources to get actual bots banned. Imagine if the anti-cheating team took pride in what they did. They could go around and do exactly what you do and just look into tips. The game could be that much better because of them but nooooo, have to let the auto detect try and do it all. Which clearly isnt doing enough.
@@animefan7424 No its not, there are only so many bosses in the game. It would take a week for a team to clear the top 100. Even IF it was terribly inneficient and a time sink its irrelivent. Its their job and they should do it.
Blood runes can't really lose value because they can be sold infinitely at a fixed amount of 200gp, I'm someone who bots blood runes to pay for my membership lol
These are actually usually purchased accounts. I've met a few max cape holders that seemed clueless about game mechanics, like claiming they don't know where fire giants are in catacombs of kourend with 130 skotizo kills. I thought they were trolling at first, but I've run into it so many times it's unbelievable.
I used to break rock crab bots back in the day with a cannon and unicorn. Got mills and mills. All the rich noobs went to the side with hobgoblins so it was even easier that way.
man wtf i was wondering why people were placing cannons near the bank and it was your fault? i have entity hide on and public chat off just to be able to relax while runecrafting i guess i got my answer now
What I have learned from your videos is, bots tend to have Obsidian gear a lot. I saw someone in almost full Obsidian armor and the 3-tick sword, killing seagulls. His only stats were Defense and HP. Everything else was 1. Didn't say a thing. Port Sarim.
I'll be honest with you, many maxed capes in runescape are botted. I've been in many runescape discords where people openly admit to botting their maxed accounts. Meanwhile, I know many real players who have been banned for non game-breaking reasons, like 3rd party auotypers or trading with friends after a RWT warning. Honestly, bots are all runescape has left. Many of the real players moved on because jagex has failed miserably to reverse unfair bans unless that person is Odablock. At this point I think to get all the real players back, runescape would have to have another server reset. It has gotten out of control at this point, most max capes are botted while so many real players I know have quit due to Jagex's failed bot detection system or anti-cheat system screwing them over. Realistically speaking, a real player would never rebuild after being unfairly banned because who is to say it won't happen again? meanwhile, a botter will just bot a new account no problem. And that's why I say all we have are bots left, unfair bans effect whole friend groups not just the person with the account. I've seen whole clans go under over a few key players getting banned for shit reasons.. At this point tho, it's just not my problem anymore. Best of luck to Scapers who still play but to the rest of us, it was fun while it lasted!
I was cooking with a guy yesterday at the rogues den and he kept randomly talking to me saying the same things like “ no burns for sale” and “cooking sharks” I responded to him because he had 90 mil cooking xp and he never responded and then 30 mins later would just repeat one of the lines. I asked him if he was a bot and he never responded to the question. I reported him he only had cooking xp on his account besides 8 fire making
Something I don't understand about ddos ' ing in risk fights... You can only ddos a server, not an individual, so if one player ddos the server it affects everyone on the server including the attacker. How is there a benefit? Also using a VPN can't help, because your IP is only visible to the server, so other players can't target your IP.
You need the IP address of the person you're risk fighting, and then you Ddos that specific player causing him to dc and for you to win the fight. You don't ddos the whole world lol
@@DisfiguredGaming yeh, I looked into it a bit more. It's a bit like standard phishing, to get a user's IP, through whatever means. But, you have to do something silly like trust randoms in discord or use the same names across platforms for your IP to be scraped. It all has to be planned. Players make it sound like you can just randomly get ddos'ed mid fight with no pre-emption.
@@DIYToPen yes exactly! I think its the fact that the top risk fighter community is quite small so they more or less know eachother therefore it may be a bit easier to grab eachothers IPs, but if you're just a random pker having a few risks fights the chances of somebody Ddosing you is next to nothing.
Im still surprised you havent checked out Puro-Puro. I've emailed you a couple times about it, but 90% of the playerbase there are bots all around the same stats and in mass amounts.
I found a maxed account cutting mahogany trees on isle of soul and banking the logs at the soul wars bank and then running back. It takes like 5 minutes each way to walk there
This looks to be the 3rd current running mining bot at mlm, I'm reporting 10+ accounts a day between them. One of them has accounts with at least 106 fm from wintertodt and 2-3 bots per world. Another has waaaay higher stat's, almost base 80s with the odd exception of very low smithing and 1-2 per world
@SirPugger For some reason after binge watching your videos i feel the need to create an OSRS account for the sole purpose of bot hunting as it seems pretty lucrative too considering my account will be solely focused on hunting them and not chasing the max GP per hour mindset. What are your thoughts about that, is it worth it for a small amount of dopamine per bot kill?
You’d be your own anti-cheating team because Jagex doesn’t care about their game. If they gave a damn, there wouldn’t be a 80/20 split between real players/bots.
It's weird y'all don't know this. But I'll say. I was a botter. I made a few grand back in the day. A "maxed account" farming is just good cloaking. For some reason people don't know how good bots are. I had bots that would do every quest. Some bots were so advanced they would auto level the stats required for those quests. So my method for making cash at the time were those black drags in that purple area where you climb down with a rope. (It's been years lol) But basically having a full build kinda account would be less suspicious and take longer to get banned. So you just set the account to make money profiting each skill one by one. And then if it gets to max you park it at drags until it gets banned. And while that account is going for maxed it's making profit off of wood or runes or herbs or slayer. Whatever it's doing. People don't realise how little each account means. They mean nothing. And I was a tiny tiny botter in a sea of big fish. And I had 20 running at once. There were guys running waaaaaaay more than 20 lol. I was running those 20 while playing wow or league on the side. One gets banned I just make a new one. And they even sell prebotted mid accounts for a few dollars. Even still I'd just make a few hundred mid accounts from scratch and just keep them on reserve everytime one biggie got banned. It was just running 20 accounts all of them with the goal of farming drags until they got there. And there were several times I had all 20 accounts at maxed for long periods. Never once was I "mass banned" or even had more than three or four banned in one go. It's all bullshit. Bots cannot be stopped. They are way more advanced than you think and they are way cheaper than you think. AND a two year old could get them running. They sell scripts for dummies. Literally just pay and click start. I believe the RFD barrows gloves full quest complete was like 75 dollars. This was...... Almost 10 years ago? I dunno what time is. I'm old. And have a real job 😂. But imagine how cheap a script is now. And everytime something starts getting people banned the scripts get reviewed and then updated. It's literally like yelp. Four or five bad reviews and no one will buy that script again. I have no doubt the scripts are so good by now that you couldn't even tell. You could probably add them and have a convo with them for weeks. All the while it's a chat gpt incl bot.
The boss wasn’t dead. As long as you don’t get hit by the magic pools/hellhounds you don’t count as being in combat since you never get hit. I just logged from pkers there until I finished Coll log.
Newspaper bot farm is probably selling news paper to collectors of non grand exchange items. FlippingOldschool just made a bit talking about the market for things like newspaper for couple k each
I guess I should stop wearing my rune full helm on my f2p UIM. One of those accounts could have been me because that's an item you can't buy. And the cape is for fashion.
Newspaper bot is actually a money maker. People collect them because they’re hard to get in huge quantities. Therefore they go for a lot of money. It’s a way for bots to make money, whilst grinding playtimez
if it means gold becomes cheaper and items become cheaper then why not. I havent played in ages and dont think the numbers of RS is going up, if the bot farms were killed I feel like everything would skyrocket
@SirPugger perhaps a long stretch but what if those "newspaper" bots are not getting play time but using the period in which they are getting play time to get newspapers which they can then mule of to BIG collectors who will pay millions for suich a collection
I think it comes down to a solid percentage of players who bot via plugins and they either don't have anything made to detect plugins or don't wanna perma-ban all those players.
So the maxed or 2200+ bots are less likely to be banned/easier to repeal the ban. People lease out their accounts while they wait for a buyer for their maxed account.
Fully maxed accounts running into the bloodveld caves in Kourend, you see the action animation then they teleport away. Few seconds later they teleport outside the statue and repeat - not saying they are botting, but WHY????? Every world has 4-5 of them doing this for hours
have the f2p bots in lummy swamp been covered yet? I just started building a f2p pker and theres more and more there each day. Today i finally found a world with none there, and all of a sudden about 7 logged in/walked over at once and started training. All CB level 51, same gear.
Also, nobody cares enough to report in F2P worlds, they're either casually playing because they can't play in Members world or they're roleplaying with each other at grand exchange. Easy for botters to just bot. Literally bots every grid on the game.
Juzilla (main acc I been tracking) , been doing a lot of Sarachnis and have noticed maxed bots auto clicking or scripting the “Grubby chest” door… (15 thriving xp) … maxed account 2k plus … you can glitch them to walk away and click the wall…
People make a sensible choice in how to bot or not to bot for their account. I rather just have the usual/classic fun of understanding a slightly slower pace that fits me that is different than what school makes some people assume of what it is from bad education on young terrible mindset on things. Some people play as frame/pixel perfect mindset at something in software games. I don't focus on mathematics or statistics or detail of something. I keep it simple to get by summarizing to what it possibly will be. There is some complexity and complications that I do not do because it is too much for one second to the next. Because it is as fast as milliseconds in calculating a strategy to something.
The majority of bot are a script sold to the masses for either a one time fee or what was becoming more popular when I stopped was monthly fee. However, you could pay a scripter to make a custom script that (if they are reputable) will never release it to anyone else or create anything close to it. With a custom script you will likely never be caught unless someone happens to notice you. The last script I had made for training hcs would change home world's every few days and not one account was ever caught. I'm not encouraging botting but pretty soon here bots will be difficult to tell apart from real players. You've got ai writing botting scripts, ideas, ect. Also think about it if the newspaper cannot be purchased on the ge but can be traded they are probably botting the most profitable item in f2p. Item collections that are difficult to build are worth a mint. Check different forums and I'm sure you'll find an answer
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Hows ur next bot farm doin
Find out how you can avtually get bots banned and help the game maybe.
@@chancesingleton5113 The dude has like 30 of his own bot farms up and running right now. Wonder which one he will sacrifice for his next video
bro u cant imagine someone botting 40 slayer to then go bot mining for 3 months straight? tf. obviously its to fool the bot detector
My conspiracy theory; I still believe SirPugger is the biggest bot farm owner, and he is enjoying taking out all the competition he gets from tipoffs.
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He just sells the scripts gets people banned then changes it and re sells
WOW every video someone posts the exact same theory, yet every time a new idiot reposts it and it gets 400 likes, maybe all his viewers are bots as well?
Lol
At 6:10 for the newspapers, it's not a bot just designed to acquire play time, there's always a monetary purpose for it. I'm part of the osrs collections community and this is a tradeable non-ge item, so the right buyer might pay 500-1k+ per unit. You can find the community in the 'all bulks' fc in game if anyone is interested in collections/bulk supplies.
"So i messaged the anti-cheating team" has gotten a whole different meaning lately
Lmao ❤❤
I don't get it. Pls help
@@DarthBlazer. the whole fiasco with popular streamer Odablock getting perm banned by the anti cheating team for a supposed service that happened 2 years ago.
Long story short, the theory that holds up well is that another streamer, Stella, who was dating Mod Trident (part of the anti cheating team) got Oda banned bc he started his own death matching CC so he was competing against her DM CC. This led people to believe that the anti cheating team or more specifically Mod Trident is corrupt.
@@stevegoldstein3402 yea that's the way I took the comment as
@@stevegoldstein3402 all RS mods are fairly corrupt tbh. Doesnt surprise me
The newspaper bots actually make sense to me. An item that's annoying to buy, is tradable but not on the GE can equal big money; at some point there will be some odd collector that will want to just buy stacks of the item.
Yeah same as broken gems, rotten food, burnt food, etc. Don't get why they want that stuff but you can make some decent extra cash if you bank junk and let it pile up
True 😂❤
They sell regularly for 300-1000gp each i think
This is true. Keep in mind though that they blacklist people who are suspected of botting non ge items in those communities.
@@oatmongen4263 they can change accounts to sell it
The newspaper bot probably sells the collection of news papers for a really sick profit because collectors will pay good money for huge stacks of items you can't buy at GE
Lmao ❤❤😂
thats big news to me dude no pun intended
How much do you think we can yield each newspaper?
Jagex will happily pema ban accounts that were hijacked and deny the appeal yet these people walk freely and openly its honestly disgusting
Brother got hacked years ago and was inactive, so he returned to a banned account appealed it and got it back, it had like 10m and a shitload of crafting xp from the bot making bowstrings.
@@craigbeade8654 ^ this. You're getting your account 110% unbanned if it absolutely was highjacking. Honestly easiest ban to get squashed. Getting banned for "botting" if you actually didn't do it is combared to this like 50 times more complicated to get unbanned
That happened to me. It got hijacked and banned and when i appealed it got denied
people get their hijacked accounts back all the time. the ones that don’t were botting, just like the ones in this video
Actually they unbanned my account that was hacked and used for botting shoulda seen the 60m in items I got for free
The newest old school RuneScape skill should be Bot-Busting
Bladerunners?
It's actually not a bad idea to implement some sort of reward for busting bots.
It couldn't be a gp reward though, since botters would make bot busting bots, to bust the bots they made. And then bust the bot busting bots.... Over and over again
Lmao ❤
Or just make it botting, ez
THATS A FUCKING GENIUS IDEA HOLY SHIT
The bot problem is way out of control these days. I've seen bots with 200mil xp, an bots with 50k+ vorkath kills. You'd think they would know they are a bot by then. Their detecting system is complete trash.
I think it’s always been either this bad or worse, but now it’s more visible since the new wildy bosses are outside of an instance and are running rampant. Ironically the exact scenario that was going on when then nerfed multi revs. It’s a never ending cycle
You're underselling the task, ie just how many bots there are and how many DO get banned. Remember how small a team the OSRS staff is and how complex an issue we're talking about.
@@amazingkool Ye mate but 17/20 of the leaderboards for every wildy boss are BOTS.
Theres 1000s of bits with over 100m xp in rc, in smithing, mining, fishing any skill there's bots with insane amounts of xp UNDETECTED, some with NO OTHER STATS.
No need to cry just jump on the bandwagon and make a side hustle kid
@@amazingkool I think you're overselling the copium tbh. Remember jagex is a half billion dollar company. Making a revenue of 1/5 of their worth every year. Pulling in record sales. Did they increase their anti cheat team? Are they throwing resources or show any direction of even tryin to tackle the problem? no lul. Even if they can't brush the surface of the problem. Don't be a small team anymore. Even if they accidentally make false positives in the efforts of trying, have customer support. They fail at even trying to be near satisfactory. The amount of bots they do ban are the utterly useless ones. Which is exactly what they do to help keep the publicity in line. No one cares about the 1k bots that broke on tutorial island. Let those bots waste the time. Id rather see 10 bots that are heavily impacting the game vs 1k that isn't doing jack shit.
Nice to see someone is doing tridents job
Lmao ❤😂
This is why i always end up quitting. Doing 50-100kc of a boss, running past bots the whole time knowing they arent wasting their valuable life doing this makes me feel stupid for playing.
Touche. Same here.
Just have fun
this made me not even wanna brag when i find dupes or glitches in games. by sharing I make people lose joy they have for the game. Better I just keep it on the low
gave up on the game ages ago
For the priest in peril quest bots, they then go to Canafis rooftop agility course. As I was getting my outfit I would always see 5-6 on any world I was on doing the course.
Sad man they just wanna fly on that broom like harry potter
You should see the varrock course haha, There's no quest requirement so every Fresh Acc Rc bot just uses varrock
I see this alot aswell. I think there training it for all sorts of content and would be great to get a stop to them early there
Lmao cool 😎
I've also seen these Vetion bots. They all wear what is shown in the video, adamant kiteshield, Vigorra's chainmace, monk's robes, etc. They never get hit by vetion so they're not in combat and can log out instantly. If you can find them, you can hop to them to crash kills for really fast vetion KC!
Lol 😅
The Carlyle Group doesn’t care about us, bots, or whatever. They see “number go up.” By the time the numbers are low enough for them to care, it’ll already be much too late.
Interesting that you talked at the end about the bots doing priest in peril quest, and probably be used for Canifis rooftop later, because I seen some on both w441 and w449 just yesterday 😮🤔🤔
Lmao ❤😂
Funnily enough I'm always on 449 as that is the 1750 total world. I'll have to check later to see if I spot any Canifis agility bots
Every world has like 5+ of these.
I remember for ranging guild bots you could lure the archer guard guys down near the targets and the bots would occasionally attack the guards, then the guards autoretal to kill them
That’s what he said
@@Dvdlevezldor77688 pog
jagex's bot busting system looks for similarities in skills and actions. its not often a max level account bots so the odds of it getting banned are probably a lot lower
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Hey, I saw (Ironman) On GD on W361 within the last week.
Thanks for sending in the clip to Sir Pugger. A noble deed. Good work, gentlemen.
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Collectors that buy obscure items is a great way for a bot to get playtime while also making pretty good money.
Just saw a 2247 total level botting aerial fishing
Honestly i think for most bots that are just people using for personal use they'll look the other way, it'd cost them a lot of money banning everyone and I think a significant percentage of the player base bots, more than we realize. They really only ban bots if it's obvious gold farming and rwt
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They are secretly wanting to get caught so they don't have to log on every day anymore 😂
I won’t be surprised in the next few years if Jagexs approach to kill off bots is to just start selling their own botting software that gives you reduced xp rates
Once AI becomes good enough to completely mimic a human player (which we are very close to already) - it will be virtually impossible for Jagex to stop bots. People won't even know they're not playing with real people anymore.
@@husky3g there's already a script out there that uses machine learning AI with mouse data, though it isn't full proof, bans do stuff happen, I know people that got 1800 account levels, lasted over 3 months before being banned, most likely player reports.
@@husky3gthe issue is that when they know you’re a grown ass dude and you play 24/7 with small breaks every 3 hours, you’ll still get banned and they’ll know it’s a bot
I started playing OSRS 2 months ago as a group Ironman. I came over from RS3 having maxed Ironman mode there. I find it extremely crazy the amount of bots I run into in OSRS in comparison to RS3. OSRS in my opinion needs a better bot busting system.
Newspaper is a tradeable item, so there’s gotta be some dork collectors out there buying huge stacks of them just like burnt or spoiled food
SirPugger literally runs all these bots that he "busts"..
Perhaps Jagex should start an item ID system and when they ban a bot they also delete all the items that bot has created. I hate the thought of there being massive amounts of botted items in the economy reducing the value of what actual players create. Just banning a bot is clearly not sufficient because the botter can just make another one. This new system would greatly increase the value of issuing bans which take valuable manpower and resources to issue.
IDK how they'd implement that idea fairly. Imagine buying a whip off the G.E only to have it deleted & taken from you a few days later because it had been acquired & sold by a bot. I thought they already deleted items from the accounts that were banned anyway?
swear I saw a couple more of those Vet'ion bots recently. Didn't think much of it but you showing them log out instantly reminded me I have seen that a couple times this past week
bro leave my bots alone
No those are my bots!
Fellows fellows, enough impersonating my bots. I am the bot owner
@@Squatnoob no im the real dirty dannn!!
Pugger is basically the OSRS detective, hahaha
Lmao 🎉❤
Lots of players nowadays are maxed because of account service discord servers,wouldn't surprise me if they would buy private scripts for skilling as well
I do 🤣
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Or you know just afk skill over the last 10 years
10 years of grinding tbh wish I new how to work a bot 😂😂😂😂
The bots buying newspapers could be mulling to a main who sells them to other players. People collect items that are tradable but not sold on the GE and sometimes pay a lot for them could easily turn 50 gp into anywhere from 750-2k per item. But they were probably also trying to get play time aswel.
Thank you that you are doing this! :)
If you hop worlds for like 2 minutes in Edgeville bank, you're going to see A LOT of rc bots with almost identical stats, most of them have like low levels but have 50m or more exp in rc. I even saw one with 120m exp in rc.
the thing with vettion is that if you dont get hit by any of his lightning or shadow attacks you can log out while attacking him because you havnt really been attacked therefore your not in combat the only time you cant avoid the combat loggout is when his dogs come out and actually melee you
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this. bots can auto logout, they sit in the top right corner of the screen and avoid combat
The newspaper bots may be selling them to a collector, or just run by a collector. Newspapers can be traded player to player I believe but cannot be traded on the GE.
Lmao ❤😊
The other side of these bot farms is the fact of how many people buy their GP in OSRS
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I just maxed an account from level 3 to Max in just 4 months, they even have a bot that does all quests in the game. Uses human mouse movement so undetectable.
The runecrafting botters are using a very simple auto clicker. There are no variables in the whole process.Banking at the crafting guild works because you teleport to the exact same spot every time. Same with teleporting to your house, then using the fairy ring, and then the short cuts. You walk the exact same path each time, so the screen remains fixed in one location, with the specific timed intervals between each click, rinse and repeat. Crafting guild bank combined with fairy ring in house can provide a multitude of methods for this simple style of botting, which can go undetected for a long time, provided you're smart about how often you do it. I did 99 fishing through karambwans this way, as well as 99 runecrafting through nature runes. Also some other skills like construction, prayer, cooking, smithing through blast furnace, agility
No you didn’t
lol jagex has been able to detect things like that since ages ago. An exact number of clicks at an exact time interval, no random pauses or variation in click region? Not possible. And if there is, then it's a script not a simple auto clicker.
@@otallono what is your argument based on? i've dont both cooking and magic to 99 using murgee auto clicker without any ban
@@Bamblagram I did 99 fish aswell. 99 con too
@@otallono They just don’t care bro. As long you don’t bot to rwt they never ban you
There are bots at Undead Druids that are doing the same thing the F2p mining bots are doing. They log in, hit one druid, scan for a player, say something like "f*** off" or "cmon" then hop.
Lol ❤
Without bots the player count would drop significantly
no lie
In all seriousness, their is maybe 30% of the player base that still cares about the game and the day to day grind. Most people who max don’t play the game to do anything other than afk or do a few boss runs. People aren’t attached to the game to really play it. Even sir pugger doesn’t have a maxed main… the content creators only play the game for incentives not because it’s actually a good game anymore.
I mean, you know, it’s also possible that these people get their accounts hacked, and then they’re turned into bot accounts
That was my first thought as well, but when he said the anti cheating team looked into it and it looked like all of them but one was botting for personal gain, I assumed they came to that conclusion by not seeing them trade or sell large quantities of these things, and also they probably see them actually playing the game on occasion and not just farming 24/7.
@@robertturley2974 I think they can also see from where an account is logging into the osrs servers which would be an easy way to see if an account is hacked
Those newspapers are tradeable player-to-player, so there's a market for them similar to burnt food. I don't know the prices but newspapers probably go for at least a couple hundred gp each, if not more.
Pugger I have a challenge for ya! I too, am not a good pker. I did build an *almost* maxed 1 def 60 att pure though, just to kill bots and pvmers for fun. There's two bot farms at revs and it took me DAYS to finally figure out the most effective ways to kill them(which actually included breaking 60 att) Their bot script auto teles, pray flicks, and insta logs FAST. There's a mid level 60's farm in red d hide at pyrefiends next to dark beasts in 29 wild, and mid level 80's directly north at demons/cyclops. All skulled.
Challenge is, see how long it takes you to find a good method( they can tank too) AND you're not allowed to risk more than 2m. Protect item allowed. No claws, ags, or voidwaker.
Dude it’s not even hard to kill them… They pray based on ur main hand weapon… You have two options, either equip a staff and melee them of equip a melee or ranged weapon and mage them… best way is to wear occult neck, book of flames, fire surge while wearing a crossbow of d scim. It’s literally free gp
It blows my mind that someone from Jagex won’t just login, hop around a couple of worlds at popular bot spots, and ban away…
Precious DEV TIME WASTE!!!!
Because that would be extremely inefficient and inaccurate?
He would have to ban half the player base
Some bots have autologout when a jmod hops on
@@melanieh6536 no need to be a dev for this, they can easily hire some people to do this task. but they don't because this is the exact thing that keeps the game alive besides us old ppl enjoying the game we grew up with. they only ban the people that they know they would just create another account over and over so they spend more money buying bonds again.
Why doesn't Jagex just do manual checks on the top 100 kc for all the bosses in the game? It cannot be that hard. If they wasted resources checking Oda's account shit from 2 years ago surely they could spend the resources to get actual bots banned.
Imagine if the anti-cheating team took pride in what they did. They could go around and do exactly what you do and just look into tips. The game could be that much better because of them but nooooo, have to let the auto detect try and do it all. Which clearly isnt doing enough.
Mod trident only financially benefits from banning people who compete with his gf's gambling clan
This method is horribly inefficient
@@animefan7424 No its not, there are only so many bosses in the game. It would take a week for a team to clear the top 100.
Even IF it was terribly inneficient and a time sink its irrelivent. Its their job and they should do it.
rimmington mining bots do the weird auto chat thing sometimes too
Hold on, they never said they were banned? We’re the max mains banned??? It doesn’t sound like they were banned.
That ‘Vet’ion bots’ text spin was bawler
This is why I'm an ironman, bots break the economy and its getting worse
I bot on my ironman 😂
@ManMeat12 at least you don't effect other players by doing so, you're only cheapening your own experience
Blood runes can't really lose value because they can be sold infinitely at a fixed amount of 200gp, I'm someone who bots blood runes to pay for my membership lol
Imagine how good loot would be if bots weren't flooding the market with supply
Just the motivation I needed to do a whole bunch of inefficient OG mind runecrafting.
Wow hi I love your content! Hope you see this!
These are actually usually purchased accounts. I've met a few max cape holders that seemed clueless about game mechanics, like claiming they don't know where fire giants are in catacombs of kourend with 130 skotizo kills. I thought they were trolling at first, but I've run into it so many times it's unbelievable.
Did you see the moonstone shard event in rs3 for auto banking for 14 days estimated 17-23 hrs to complete based on golden cape event
I used to break rock crab bots back in the day with a cannon and unicorn. Got mills and mills. All the rich noobs went to the side with hobgoblins so it was even easier that way.
man wtf i was wondering why people were placing cannons near the bank and it was your fault? i have entity hide on and public chat off just to be able to relax while runecrafting i guess i got my answer now
What I have learned from your videos is, bots tend to have Obsidian gear a lot. I saw someone in almost full Obsidian armor and the 3-tick sword, killing seagulls. His only stats were Defense and HP. Everything else was 1. Didn't say a thing. Port Sarim.
I'll be honest with you, many maxed capes in runescape are botted. I've been in many runescape discords where people openly admit to botting their maxed accounts. Meanwhile, I know many real players who have been banned for non game-breaking reasons, like 3rd party auotypers or trading with friends after a RWT warning.
Honestly, bots are all runescape has left. Many of the real players moved on because jagex has failed miserably to reverse unfair bans unless that person is Odablock. At this point I think to get all the real players back, runescape would have to have another server reset. It has gotten out of control at this point, most max capes are botted while so many real players I know have quit due to Jagex's failed bot detection system or anti-cheat system screwing them over. Realistically speaking, a real player would never rebuild after being unfairly banned because who is to say it won't happen again? meanwhile, a botter will just bot a new account no problem. And that's why I say all we have are bots left, unfair bans effect whole friend groups not just the person with the account. I've seen whole clans go under over a few key players getting banned for shit reasons.. At this point tho, it's just not my problem anymore. Best of luck to Scapers who still play but to the rest of us, it was fun while it lasted!
On the collector market those news papers are roughly 115m around that region
I was cooking with a guy yesterday at the rogues den and he kept randomly talking to me saying the same things like “ no burns for sale” and “cooking sharks” I responded to him because he had 90 mil cooking xp and he never responded and then 30 mins later would just repeat one of the lines. I asked him if he was a bot and he never responded to the question. I reported him he only had cooking xp on his account besides 8 fire making
Something I don't understand about ddos ' ing in risk fights... You can only ddos a server, not an individual, so if one player ddos the server it affects everyone on the server including the attacker. How is there a benefit? Also using a VPN can't help, because your IP is only visible to the server, so other players can't target your IP.
You need the IP address of the person you're risk fighting, and then you Ddos that specific player causing him to dc and for you to win the fight. You don't ddos the whole world lol
@@DisfiguredGaming yeh, I looked into it a bit more. It's a bit like standard phishing, to get a user's IP, through whatever means. But, you have to do something silly like trust randoms in discord or use the same names across platforms for your IP to be scraped. It all has to be planned. Players make it sound like you can just randomly get ddos'ed mid fight with no pre-emption.
@@DIYToPen yes exactly! I think its the fact that the top risk fighter community is quite small so they more or less know eachother therefore it may be a bit easier to grab eachothers IPs, but if you're just a random pker having a few risks fights the chances of somebody Ddosing you is next to nothing.
what if they dont use runelite? are you able to look up their stats still?
Im still surprised you havent checked out Puro-Puro. I've emailed you a couple times about it, but 90% of the playerbase there are bots all around the same stats and in mass amounts.
went there trying to get some glory’s for the ironman it was hell those bots would log in catch the imp and be gone so dam quick
@@tarantorkelson1012 yeah, I've dmed sirpugger about it multiple times, but doesn't seem like it will ever change.
I found a maxed account cutting mahogany trees on isle of soul and banking the logs at the soul wars bank and then running back. It takes like 5 minutes each way to walk there
This looks to be the 3rd current running mining bot at mlm, I'm reporting 10+ accounts a day between them. One of them has accounts with at least 106 fm from wintertodt and 2-3 bots per world. Another has waaaay higher stat's, almost base 80s with the odd exception of very low smithing and 1-2 per world
There is a bot farm in priff just south of the house portal. When you get to close they switch worlds
Newspapers actually sell for like 2k each or something in the collector market.
@SirPugger For some reason after binge watching your videos i feel the need to create an OSRS account for the sole purpose of bot hunting as it seems pretty lucrative too considering my account will be solely focused on hunting them and not chasing the max GP per hour mindset. What are your thoughts about that, is it worth it for a small amount of dopamine per bot kill?
You’d be your own anti-cheating team because Jagex doesn’t care about their game.
If they gave a damn, there wouldn’t be a 80/20 split between real players/bots.
@@harleykidd7910 i guess it makes sense since it is a very old game, hence why it isnt getting updated or handled properly
It's weird y'all don't know this. But I'll say.
I was a botter. I made a few grand back in the day. A "maxed account" farming is just good cloaking.
For some reason people don't know how good bots are. I had bots that would do every quest. Some bots were so advanced they would auto level the stats required for those quests.
So my method for making cash at the time were those black drags in that purple area where you climb down with a rope. (It's been years lol)
But basically having a full build kinda account would be less suspicious and take longer to get banned.
So you just set the account to make money profiting each skill one by one. And then if it gets to max you park it at drags until it gets banned. And while that account is going for maxed it's making profit off of wood or runes or herbs or slayer. Whatever it's doing.
People don't realise how little each account means. They mean nothing. And I was a tiny tiny botter in a sea of big fish. And I had 20 running at once. There were guys running waaaaaaay more than 20 lol.
I was running those 20 while playing wow or league on the side.
One gets banned I just make a new one. And they even sell prebotted mid accounts for a few dollars.
Even still I'd just make a few hundred mid accounts from scratch and just keep them on reserve everytime one biggie got banned. It was just running 20 accounts all of them with the goal of farming drags until they got there. And there were several times I had all 20 accounts at maxed for long periods.
Never once was I "mass banned" or even had more than three or four banned in one go.
It's all bullshit. Bots cannot be stopped. They are way more advanced than you think and they are way cheaper than you think. AND a two year old could get them running. They sell scripts for dummies. Literally just pay and click start.
I believe the RFD barrows gloves full quest complete was like 75 dollars. This was...... Almost 10 years ago? I dunno what time is. I'm old. And have a real job 😂. But imagine how cheap a script is now.
And everytime something starts getting people banned the scripts get reviewed and then updated. It's literally like yelp. Four or five bad reviews and no one will buy that script again.
I have no doubt the scripts are so good by now that you couldn't even tell. You could probably add them and have a convo with them for weeks. All the while it's a chat gpt incl bot.
I saw the bot that repeats all the curses and "Ffs really" at the GE, no clue why it was a thing, just sat there and spammed the same string of curses
The fliers have value on the burnt food maket where usless items are bought for quite a fair bit of money, all for the sake of collecting
The boss wasn’t dead. As long as you don’t get hit by the magic pools/hellhounds you don’t count as being in combat since you never get hit. I just logged from pkers there until I finished Coll log.
Newspaper bot farm is probably selling news paper to collectors of non grand exchange items. FlippingOldschool just made a bit talking about the market for things like newspaper for couple k each
this was my first thought too
I guess I should stop wearing my rune full helm on my f2p UIM. One of those accounts could have been me because that's an item you can't buy. And the cape is for fashion.
You don’t max an account out then bot. The accounts have been going undetected for probably years. They’ve just been caught
Newspaper bot is actually a money maker. People collect them because they’re hard to get in huge quantities. Therefore they go for a lot of money. It’s a way for bots to make money, whilst grinding playtimez
Easy to avoid ban. Bot 2-3 hours a day, then play normally. You literally cant be banned if you dont make it obvious
Fr like jagex know but doesnt care if you bot, just dont make it too obvious
if it means gold becomes cheaper and items become cheaper then why not. I havent played in ages and dont think the numbers of RS is going up, if the bot farms were killed I feel like everything would skyrocket
I can tell you this, I used to bot the ranging guild in rs2. This was during the time you could run a bot 24h with no problems
"Why are Players Botting on Their MAXED Accounts?" The question is, why aren't you? Jagex literally wont stop you
@SirPugger perhaps a long stretch but what if those "newspaper" bots are not getting play time but using the period in which they are getting play time to get newspapers which they can then mule of to BIG collectors who will pay millions for suich a collection
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I think it comes down to a solid percentage of players who bot via plugins and they either don't have anything made to detect plugins or don't wanna perma-ban all those players.
Likely the Newspaper bots sell them in a discord channel, people buy non GE items as a collection, paying way above what the price checker suggests.
So the maxed or 2200+ bots are less likely to be banned/easier to repeal the ban. People lease out their accounts while they wait for a buyer for their maxed account.
Fully maxed accounts running into the bloodveld caves in Kourend, you see the action animation then they teleport away. Few seconds later they teleport outside the statue and repeat - not saying they are botting, but WHY????? Every world has 4-5 of them doing this for hours
Saw I think 3+ bots that were all minimum levels for blast furnace, but then had 200m xP in smithing. How does jagex not notice these?!
Not enough people are quitting/not starting to play because of bots to make it worth paying more in employee salary.
newspapers sell for 1k each on the burnt food market
have the f2p bots in lummy swamp been covered yet? I just started building a f2p pker and theres more and more there each day. Today i finally found a world with none there, and all of a sudden about 7 logged in/walked over at once and started training. All CB level 51, same gear.
Is everyone a bot? This is why normal players are being banned.
Also, nobody cares enough to report in F2P worlds, they're either casually playing because they can't play in Members world or they're roleplaying with each other at grand exchange. Easy for botters to just bot. Literally bots every grid on the game.
gg jagex, your priorities are definitely in line
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The newspaper is to sell to bulk collectors. Is it tradable just not on the GE.
How are you looking up player stats?
The end game of those accounts you mentioned is very simple - they sell them. They dont have emails set or recoveries.
I've been seeing a bot on most worlds at temple spiders when I'm training there they are collecting the red eggs
Juzilla (main acc I been tracking) , been doing a lot of Sarachnis and have noticed maxed bots auto clicking or scripting the “Grubby chest” door… (15 thriving xp) … maxed account 2k plus … you can glitch them to walk away and click the wall…
People make a sensible choice in how to bot or not to bot for their account. I rather just have the usual/classic fun of understanding a slightly slower pace that fits me that is different than what school makes some people assume of what it is from bad education on young terrible mindset on things. Some people play as frame/pixel perfect mindset at something in software games. I don't focus on mathematics or statistics or detail of something. I keep it simple to get by summarizing to what it possibly will be. There is some complexity and complications that I do not do because it is too much for one second to the next. Because it is as fast as milliseconds in calculating a strategy to something.
The majority of bot are a script sold to the masses for either a one time fee or what was becoming more popular when I stopped was monthly fee. However, you could pay a scripter to make a custom script that (if they are reputable) will never release it to anyone else or create anything close to it. With a custom script you will likely never be caught unless someone happens to notice you. The last script I had made for training hcs would change home world's every few days and not one account was ever caught. I'm not encouraging botting but pretty soon here bots will be difficult to tell apart from real players. You've got ai writing botting scripts, ideas, ect.
Also think about it if the newspaper cannot be purchased on the ge but can be traded they are probably botting the most profitable item in f2p. Item collections that are difficult to build are worth a mint. Check different forums and I'm sure you'll find an answer