Bow Wow may not be poppin now but he had a good 7-8 year run during the 2000’s. There hasn’t been another kid rapper that had the same longevity as Bow Wow.
And this is what he means by top 5 and goat conversations because outside of Michael Jackson who came out at 5-6 years old and still around during adulthood. As far as child stars in the music industry he’s definitely top 5. He opened the door for all the teen heartthrobs let’s not act like he didn’t
I have four degrees and have taught doctors at the graduate level. It takes on average 6-7 years to get a real doctorate and it's a hellish endeavor of perseverance for most. Honorary degrees mean next to nothing and it is insulting that they exist at all. It would be one thing if they gave you an undergrad degree. It's the doctorate that is insulting. The fact that CTG does not understand the education system or doctorates highlights why he should not have been given a doctorate. The criteria is usually just fame, not impact, and not success. The schools use this for fundraising, marketing, and visibility. Jess is right. It should be an honor or award. Also, Envy most doctors I know took a minimum of 6 years.
I agree. I also believe the fact of how performative people get when receiving those certificates means they understand the significance of that achievement which is another reason of why it shouldn’t be taken lightly 🤷🏾♀️
@@ashleyharp2681 I agree. Then you have to consider the reputational harm to higher education when we devalue to product in this way. People are already questioning the value and CTG himself has called himself a doctor so he's lying in this discussion and being a hypocrite.
💯 facts. Honorary Doctorates are often awarded after a significant donation is made or they’re used to bring PR and drive fundraising initiatives. This should remind us all that the higher the education system comes down to money at the end of the day.
Probably because you wasted time and money going to school only to get the same job you could have got straight out of highschool lol. This is why information is important. Depending on what you actually want to do college may be a waste of time. Again it depends on what you actually want to do with you're life
why would that matter to you? Your degree actually earns you more pay and positions and rights as in some being able to lead or give out medication. Honorary anything shouldn't impact anyone with the real version like worry about yourself
And this Pretty Bee lady also just called herself a Doctor. I agree that it should not be an honorary Doctorate. A Masters is the most I think it should be and that’s for ppl 20+ years in like Snoop Dog. Not pretty b
To both of your points. Thats the point. People shouldn’t feeling intimidated. It’s simply an acknowledgment. Most people with honorary and not going for jobs anyway. You don’t see Denzel Washington applying for a a job to be laughed at the office.
I love the freestyle, I feel like people try to bully him because he was a child rapper , but he opened up the doors for a lot of y'all favorite rappers out here now. He doesn't have to be hood bound or sell drugs or unlife someone to be cool gangsta, it's level to this shit and Big Bow Wow deserves his flowers 💐
It takes 6 years to get a masters even longer to get a doctorates. I'm currently in school to get my masters and I already graduated with an associates and certificate for other degrees and I refuse to acknowledge anything honorary period. Work for it like I did!!!
It depends on the program. For example, you can complete your undergrad in Social Work in 3.5-4 years then take a 10 month accelerated program to earn your Master’s in Social Work. Now a doctorate in Social Work does take a little time.
BowWoW is a Goat he was in his own lane at his age wasn’t to many kids his age want as long as he did in his era and age that’s Goat material I’ll give BowWoW his Flowers 💐
I like the phrase "transaction of words" in reference to an argument with someone you close with just squashed. Cuz it really don't be no big deal when it's your homie.
As 7-8 year old, Bow Wow was the best thing since sliced bread or Pokémon cards LOL I love what he did for us during that time and his longevity was great. Once I turned 13/14, I kind of grew out of it but he still dropped some decent songs and a couple bangers. The hate he gets today is kind of weird but he’s played himself a couple of times.
As a college graduate who studied her behind off to get where I am today I hate honorary degrees. Half of these celebrities you put a book in front of their face can’t comprehend what they just read.
He just became a lame! He is someone people clown because of his actions and antics. He could of grown to be an actor like many celebrities do and be respected instead he took a different path.
Even tho I don't like the underrated word at times.u are sooo correct hes a awesome actor waay better actor than Mike b Jordan and mike b is a list actor.
It's Great to see JT out here doing her thing. She took a lot for Caresha by being patient and loyal to a fault because Yung Miami hold her down when she was locked Up
Envy is right, Charla is not listening. We need a new designation term beyond "Dr." For honorary degrees. We Are having a trust crisis, and people are not staying in their lanes when it comes to claiming expertise. Both sides have valid points. We simply need to update our traditions and think deeply about what words to use.
I heard this quote from Neil DeGrasse Tyson and it made a lot of sense to ME.."Your actual PhD , the one you actually put in the time to earn is a PROMISE that you would do something great, But an Honorary PhD is the EVIDENCE that you have" 🤷🏿♂️
Based on Charlemagne’s explanation of what an honorary degree is, Pretty Vee’s story is still developing. She’s not new in her career but there’s still so much ahead of her before gaining a doctorate degree for her field work.
Honorary degrees are a slap in the face to people who went to college. Just like someone getting a honorary membership into a fraternity, it’s not the same as earning it.
Hard to debate with someone on the topic of honorary degrees when it's clear you do not know the difference between a doctorate degree (Ph.D, DBA, Ed.D) vs. a Medical Doctor, MD
The word “Doctorate” is what gets people going because it can be misleading. Most recipients haven’t done the academic work so to be called “Dr.” is insane. If the universities could just called it what it is, an Honorary Award, they could alliviate so much backlash😂 I recognize people who still do the work in their lanes and get the recognition 💯 side note: yall really out here thinking the “Dr.” on those honorary degrees means they are actual physicians? 😮💨 stop it
Envy, don’t argue with people who have not gone to college about degrees. Charlamagne has no idea what it takes to even earn a Bachelor degree, let alone a Doctorate degree. It literally takes 8+ years of challenging academic work (Bachelor 4, Master’s 2, Doctorate 2+). No matter what you accomplished in the field, you didn’t earn a Doctorate unless you went to that school for 8+ years, took all the classes, tests, wrote and defended your thesis. Schools need to stop clout chasing by giving out fake Doctorate degrees. It diminishes the value of the school and the degree.
I totally agree with Charlemagne regarding the Honorary Degree outlook. DJ envy, someone that holds a degree is too delayed to understand what he is saying.
Honorary DOCTRINE is a symbol 😂😂😂 of appreciation. It Is NOT credintials and you wont get a job with it. Why yall be so jealous when my chain shines. Like yall mad i got money. Wit ya EBT card
If it can be took from you it’s not earned, look at diddy situation it was taken back from him so that should tell you everything about that. No matter what you do or go thru if you worked hard for your degree no one can take that from you
Bow Wow may not be poppin now but he had a good 7-8 year run during the 2000’s. There hasn’t been another kid rapper that had the same longevity as Bow Wow.
True
And this is what he means by top 5 and goat conversations because outside of Michael Jackson who came out at 5-6 years old and still around during adulthood. As far as child stars in the music industry he’s definitely top 5. He opened the door for all the teen heartthrobs let’s not act like he didn’t
@@prettygrlaeshabro bow wow isn’t top 5 in anything
@@Unc654 ok “bro”
@@Unc654he top 2 & not 2nd in best kid rappers ever 🤷🏽♂️ can’t argue that
"Mention me wit the goat conversations" charla immediately said "No!"
I think Bow Wow is the greatest child rapper. His career when he was younger he was unstoppable
😂😂😅
Lol. I immediately said, "No."
@@chezronstevenson6825 of course he isn’t the at the adult table when we discuss the GOATs 😂😂 but lil Bow Wow is when we discuss kid rappers
lmao
Bow wow seems like such a happy , joyful spirit , I hope he keeps his head up always and never let anyone take his spirit
I have four degrees and have taught doctors at the graduate level. It takes on average 6-7 years to get a real doctorate and it's a hellish endeavor of perseverance for most.
Honorary degrees mean next to nothing and it is insulting that they exist at all. It would be one thing if they gave you an undergrad degree. It's the doctorate that is insulting.
The fact that CTG does not understand the education system or doctorates highlights why he should not have been given a doctorate. The criteria is usually just fame, not impact, and not success. The schools use this for fundraising, marketing, and visibility.
Jess is right. It should be an honor or award.
Also, Envy most doctors I know took a minimum of 6 years.
I agree. I also believe the fact of how performative people get when receiving those certificates means they understand the significance of that achievement which is another reason of why it shouldn’t be taken lightly 🤷🏾♀️
@@ashleyharp2681 I agree. Then you have to consider the reputational harm to higher education when we devalue to product in this way. People are already questioning the value and CTG himself has called himself a doctor so he's lying in this discussion and being a hypocrite.
I agree I understand what Charlemagne was saying but DJ Envy right ppl who worked they asses off for that degree probably feel different
💯 facts. Honorary Doctorates are often awarded after a significant donation is made or they’re used to bring PR and drive fundraising initiatives. This should remind us all that the higher the education system comes down to money at the end of the day.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
As a college graduate, we do not like celebs gettin honorary degrees
As someone with a Master’s Degree, what celebs eat don’t make me shit.
Probably because you wasted time and money going to school only to get the same job you could have got straight out of highschool lol. This is why information is important. Depending on what you actually want to do college may be a waste of time. Again it depends on what you actually want to do with you're life
Why?
why would that matter to you? Your degree actually earns you more pay and positions and rights as in some being able to lead or give out medication. Honorary anything shouldn't impact anyone with the real version like worry about yourself
@@rzwitdauncut nah, actually I use my degree and work in my field for a Fortune 500 company.. I’m not one of them lmao
Jess saying someone needs to go back to school is WILD CRAZY!!!
Facts she still needs to improve her reading
Hell yeah
@@sinceresoul9732 Her 3rd grade reading?
Look how far she got without that schooling .
Learn to Stfu
Recall wen jess utilized the term : plummeted?😂😂😂😂
An honorary doctorate is just an award. No one can put it on a résumé, and they can’t say they’re a doctor.
Well Sheree changed her name to Dr Sheree
And this Pretty Bee lady also just called herself a Doctor. I agree that it should not be an honorary Doctorate. A Masters is the most I think it should be and that’s for ppl 20+ years in like Snoop Dog. Not pretty b
Pretty VEE , PRETTY VEE PLEASE ❤❤❤ @@mysexpressions9604
They are doctors...putting your money where it is needed after getting your millions is healing the people.
@@Cantdoitlikejae14 you can change your name to whatever you want to. They can't get a job saying they are a Ph.D.
Jess read one word properly this year and got the nerve to tell someone to go back to school is comical 😂😂
Yeoooooooooo 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
She got a honorary in the N word and aye yoo
Dont give them an HONORARY DEGREE....give them a CERTIFICATE¡!
😂😂
The fact that he’s a topic on this show !!! Explains what Bow wow is saying he really is that dude
"He gon start making stuff up if you let'im write a book!" 🤣🤣🤣
Honorary degrees don't mean a damn thing. Put "Honorary" on your resume and see if you don't get laughed out of the office. It's for show. That's it
They don't need a resume. Nobody with an honorary degree is going to job interview.
To both of your points. Thats the point. People shouldn’t feeling intimidated. It’s simply an acknowledgment. Most people with honorary and not going for jobs anyway. You don’t see Denzel Washington applying for a a job to be laughed at the office.
That's growth!! I'm proud of JT. Not a fan but I respect that she admits that she was wrong in the situation they had and worked it out
She had no choice evy body see it over there kissing ass for treats where that get her???I’ll wait………
I'll admit bow wow got hits but nobody checking for him musically lol
Lil Bow Wow has hits, Shad Moss should just enjoy life and RUN from music💯💯🤦🏿🤦🏿☠️☠️
@@MrKkilla24 you should go find your on identity, let start there 😮
You could only wish you had a piece of bow wow success 😮
@@chrishall8693 I honestly don't want his success because it came with drama, lean addiction and falling out with friends.
Wym? I played Bow Wow - Fresh as I'm iz a week ago 😂 fire hook still
He’s had the best run for a kid rapper lol
What are you still making money off of since age five 🤔
@@chrishall8693 you first
@@sammiedopee lil Wayne?
Weezy?
“A lot of this stuff is rooted in 🧢” is CRAAZZZYY 🤣😂😭😅
Bow wow: mention me when yal having goat conversations.
Uncle Charla: NO 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Envy stand 9 toes down on his statement, they should start giving honorary Dj awards..😂😂
Jess correcting someone mispronouncing a word is wild!
I love the freestyle,
I feel like people try to bully him because he was a child rapper , but he opened up the doors for a lot of y'all favorite rappers out here now. He doesn't have to be hood bound or sell drugs or unlife someone to be cool gangsta, it's level to this shit and Big Bow Wow deserves his flowers 💐
Right! I don't understand the hate. It's too much jealousy nowadays.
It takes 6 years to get a masters even longer to get a doctorates. I'm currently in school to get my masters and I already graduated with an associates and certificate for other degrees and I refuse to acknowledge anything honorary period. Work for it like I did!!!
It depends on the program. For example, you can complete your undergrad in Social Work in 3.5-4 years then take a 10 month accelerated program to earn your Master’s in Social Work. Now a doctorate in Social Work does take a little time.
Honorary degrees are a joke
BowWoW is a Goat he was in his own lane at his age wasn’t to many kids his age want as long as he did in his era and age that’s Goat material I’ll give BowWoW his Flowers 💐
7:43 Envy speaking facts. Charla not listening and clearly not understanding what Envy is saying.
honorary degree is just like trying to put Chuck E. Cheese coins in a vending machine lol
Bow Wow needed Brat for this freestyle
Right 😂
Dude sounded like a fake nipsey hussle
Why he got the nipsey drake flow 🤦♂️😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂 that freestyle was 🗑 🚮
I just said that.. like he trying to sound like Nipsey mixed with Drake😂😂
I just said that 😂😂
Lol same! But....i like it 🤷🏽♀️ i like that flow style its fair game. Good to expand your FLOrizons 🤣
@@Melscommentsis not expanding if you're just sounding like someone else.
I'm with you on this one Envy. They earned the HONOR not the right to call themselves a DOCTOR and many of them do.
I like the phrase "transaction of words" in reference to an argument with someone you close with just squashed. Cuz it really don't be no big deal when it's your homie.
As 7-8 year old, Bow Wow was the best thing since sliced bread or Pokémon cards LOL
I love what he did for us during that time and his longevity was great. Once I turned 13/14, I kind of grew out of it but he still dropped some decent songs and a couple bangers.
The hate he gets today is kind of weird but he’s played himself a couple of times.
Bow wow is most definitely a goat maybe not in rap but in entertainment in general he is
I agree with Envy on this one
As a college graduate who studied her behind off to get where I am today I hate honorary degrees.
Half of these celebrities you put a book in front of their face can’t comprehend what they just read.
That freestyle was TERRIBLE! 😂
That's being generous lol 😆
Wasn’t even his style and very basic
I respectfully seen better freestyles in his youth years respectfully
Lol I was waiting for this comment😂
It wasn’t the best fasho but it was better than what I expected ngl 👏🏽 I give him a A-
I agree wit ENVY‼💯 CTG is always bias when it applies to him or his friends 🤦🏽♀
It’s so annoying how CTG swears his view is always the “above and beyond” correct one.😒
@@daniellen3076 exactly💯...I'm glad Envy stayed true to his opinion (and most others)
Honorary degrees make a joke out of the people who really struggled through school and still have debt. Shaq calls himself a doctor, which is wild.
I thought Shaq went back to school did he not?
He has real degrees! He actually went to school
@@nastystew6942not for that though..
Ppl should not get an honorary doctorate at all
I agree with Envy
Envy stood down on that!❤
Bow Wow sit yo ass down somewhere bruh 😂😂😂
But still making money off his own name 😮
@@chrishall8693 buddy u defending bow wow way too much in the comments 😂. He don't even know u exist
@@chrishall8693 what’s your point…I Like bw with the melodies, I don’t like bw when he act tough. 😂😂😂
@@tejaynem2292it’s probably bow wows fake account! Keep it real
Def should not be any honorary
Degrees 💯
I'm not trying to hear new music from no Bow Wow. He's corny 😂😅 However, I would like to see him acting more. I think he's a very underrated actor
He raps and act great. One of the best performers as a rapper stop playing
He just became a lame! He is someone people clown because of his actions and antics. He could of grown to be an actor like many celebrities do and be respected instead he took a different path.
Even tho I don't like the underrated word at times.u are sooo correct hes a awesome actor waay better actor than Mike b Jordan and mike b is a list actor.
Would someone tell Soulja Boy/Ray J and Bow Wow it’s over take several seats 😂😂
Man, been over.
But in the comments talking about them,
😂😂😂😂
Bow wow needs to make album that last forever
He's needs to act in more movies
There are multiple levels of ignorance in this clip. LOLOL
People be forgetting Bow Wow really ran shit and he has a good collection of movies
It's Great to see JT out here doing her thing. She took a lot for Caresha by being patient and loyal to a fault because Yung Miami hold her down when she was locked Up
Yeah but jt still doesn't owe her nothing.
People only slightly liking JT now because of nicki she’s nothing to speak about as well
Envy is right, Charla is not listening. We need a new designation term beyond "Dr." For honorary degrees. We Are having a trust crisis, and people are not staying in their lanes when it comes to claiming expertise. Both sides have valid points. We simply need to update our traditions and think deeply about what words to use.
Well said
I know Jess not talking about speech
Crazy how we're still talking about someone who y'all claim isn't relevant in music
I heard this quote from Neil DeGrasse Tyson and it made a lot of sense to ME.."Your actual PhD , the one you actually put in the time to earn is a PROMISE that you would do something great, But an Honorary PhD is the EVIDENCE that you have" 🤷🏿♂️
We good Bow Wow. We don’t need no more music from you.
🤣🤣🤣 fr fr
His fans begs the different 😮
@@chrishall8693begs to differ
@@chrishall8693What fans 😂
@@rosegoldbanks4842 His fans forgot all about him and moved on lol
Based on Charlemagne’s explanation of what an honorary degree is, Pretty Vee’s story is still developing. She’s not new in her career but there’s still so much ahead of her before gaining a doctorate degree for her field work.
Honorary degrees are a slap in the face to people who went to college. Just like someone getting a honorary membership into a fraternity, it’s not the same as earning it.
Jess say one word with more than three syllables correct and she lit 😂
I love when Envy disagree with Charla 😁
Hard to debate with someone on the topic of honorary degrees when it's clear you do not know the difference between a doctorate degree (Ph.D, DBA, Ed.D) vs. a Medical Doctor, MD
The word “Doctorate” is what gets people going because it can be misleading. Most recipients haven’t done the academic work so to be called “Dr.” is insane. If the universities could just called it what it is, an Honorary Award, they could alliviate so much backlash😂 I recognize people who still do the work in their lanes and get the recognition 💯
side note: yall really out here thinking the “Dr.” on those honorary degrees means they are actual physicians? 😮💨 stop it
My girl JT!
You’re like 2 decades late Bow Wow
Being mad at an honorary degree is unintelligent discussion
Bow Wow is a GOAT especially for early 2000s rappers, he had a great run as a kid to teenage rapper!🔥
I can’t stand CTG😂😂! When he shit down bow wows verse while it was playing 😂😂
Charlamagne stop trying to justify that fake stuff that you got cuz it ain't real😂
Yall better put some Respect on Bow name frfr. He Goated
Envy, don’t argue with people who have not gone to college about degrees. Charlamagne has no idea what it takes to even earn a Bachelor degree, let alone a Doctorate degree.
It literally takes 8+ years of challenging academic work (Bachelor 4, Master’s 2, Doctorate 2+).
No matter what you accomplished in the field, you didn’t earn a Doctorate unless you went to that school for 8+ years, took all the classes, tests, wrote and defended your thesis.
Schools need to stop clout chasing by giving out fake Doctorate degrees. It diminishes the value of the school and the degree.
Bow wow got the drake flow 😭
I thought the same thing. 😄
How about Drake got Bow Wow flow 😉 ❤
Ooooh yea you mean the COPY & PASTE flow.
@@imperfectlyperfect3961 😂😂😆
Meaning terrible 😂
Bow Wow has accomplished more than 90 percent of rappers.
1:49 Because the physical world reflects the internet instead of vice versa. Folks need to speak online & in group chat for the familiarity & comfort.
Bow Wow hella polite! I sat right behind him one time when I was flying to ATL - cool to see. 🤷🏽♂️
I totally agree with Charlemagne regarding the Honorary Degree outlook. DJ envy, someone that holds a degree is too delayed to understand what he is saying.
80% BEEF IN THE INDUSTRY BE FAKE FOR ATTENTION, AND BOW WOW WILL ALWAYS BE A JOKE TO ME
That is true. #johnnyx100 🔥
Thanks Envy.
Charla must got an honorary degree. Nope. It's disrespectful to the blood sweat and tears REAL college grads achieve. Please.
Jess correcting sum1 grammer is like Diddy sayn dont hit women😖
Can't throw an R in friends for your laptop, Miss Hilarious 🤣 which is Hilarious.
Honorary DOCTRINE is a symbol 😂😂😂 of appreciation. It Is NOT credintials and you wont get a job with it. Why yall be so jealous when my chain shines. Like yall mad i got money. Wit ya EBT card
Charlamagne's "No" had be dying! lmao!!!
Freestyle was better than I expected
Love the title of that book 🙏🏾👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽❤️ Totally agree.
Dont call it a degree. Call it an award.
Bow is legendary like him or not he’s been in the game since a child who that’s been around legends
Student vs. The dropout 😂😂😂
Tell Bow wow I said *Pause*
😂😂😂
Bow Wow gotta tell the Diddler to stop playing with him not us
You can tell nip bow new favorite rapper, bigs up to bow thought, legendary!
Honorary is just that. "Honorary" without the usual requirements... you're just acknowledging their accomplishments. Leave it at that.
It should just be a recognition award and not a degree. The accomplishments are different. Both valuable but different.
SO shady for using that pic of JT
you can be whatever you want to be, girl. we ain’t ever calling you doctor, tho
Charlemagne knows everything and don’t wanna listen to nobody
I ain't gone say it No. Mo. Put some respeck on my name.
Bow Wow played 1 on 1 what Cobe Bryant.
Kobe Bryant
Awww that’s sweet❤ City Girls glowing up 🤩🤩👏🏾👏🏾♥️♥️ #heal #heartwork
this Euphoria Instrumental beat in the back Is sending Me 😂
not "we take you as a joke" LOL!
when that wig come off and that make up whew chile
I always find it interesting when people with far less accomplishments tell someone how they should feel about their own.
If it can be took from you it’s not earned, look at diddy situation it was taken back from him so that should tell you everything about that. No matter what you do or go thru if you worked hard for your degree no one can take that from you
I agree with Envy on the honorary degree. Yes, recognition is important and needed. But Simply call it someone it something else.