Yeah I opted for the Amazon elbow, trimmed back an inch or so. I did gain a few mpgs back from going to 35's. One things for sure, the stock intake tube has to go.
@@_GlitchGaming I'm sorry, it's been too long. I've since added a bed rack and RTT. I average 20-24 highway and 17-20 city now. With adjustment for tires.
@@_GlitchGaming I have a '24 AT4X with 3.0L LZO running 35x11.5-R20 Nitto Trail Grappler M/T. Have had the truck for 7 months and I average 18.5 mpg each month. Most of my driving is on interstate at 75 mph but fuel mileage really is the same in town as on interstate. Only difference I ever see is when pulling a 20ft trailer with 33hp Kubota tractor with implements on it.
@@chriswalker9218 ah just asking because I have a 24 LTZ 3.0l and I average 26-27 but I tent to keep to the speed limit so I was just wondering but not bad for 35s at 70+ mph
@_GlitchGaming Driving 70 or 75 doesn't make a difference with these 35's. I can get between 20-21 on highway @ 60mph. That's down here in south Louisiana on flat ground. Lol
I would love to see a video with the top 5 or top 10 Performance upgrades that you have found work the best on the LZ0 in order of importance or value add. You have done so much valuable research and tried different products and now just need a comprehensive video putting it all together, if you dont want to do a video, could you just reply here with a simple list? Thanks in advance!!
To add to this idea… To show an economical package, middle of the road and no holds barred package of which products you’ve seen a difference in performance. I’m new to your channel and getting a little lost in what works or not. 😅
I went with the S&B CAI and I'm averaging 2-3 MPG more. Most of my driving is highway. 62.4 miles to work. No CELs but I followed the instructions to a T including disconnecting the battery for 2 hours
22-24 sometimes better depending on conditions. I have an AT4 with MT tires and a bedrack. I took the roof top tent off. The speed limit is 75 most of the way in. With rack and tent before CAI I got 18-19 avg With just reaching before CAI I got 19-21 Just rack with CAI 22-25 and it's more consistent.
Yea man. I'm thinking about getting the S&B pipes and seeing if that helps any. I got the 22.5 refresh AT4 in November and already have 25k miles on it lol
CFT is just some small guy making some parts in a little town showing off his awards the town gives him for being the only weld shop in the town probably.
What is the best setup for someone in high summer heat? I live in PHX and we spend most of the year above 100*. Will a CAI still be a good idea with our weather here? How does the Airaid/K&N CAI compare to a drop in filter?
I’m torn between getting a k&n or a s&b , a lot of people saying the k&n intakes are causing the check engine light to come on and other people say the quality of s&b is unmatched . I need opinions
I have videos on the S&B, it had less power and less mpg... The K&N is the one I have on my truck ... no check engine lights. Coupled with the PPE Carbon intake pipe, sounds great !!
@@DemonWorks I’ve watched all your videos and love them . But sometimes videos don’t do justice with sound. I haven’t seen anything from Ppe on a carbon intake pipe . I’ve had k&n intakes and filters all my life but I saw in one of your videos you mentioned the top just sucks in hot air
@@chevrolaid350 I believe it is better (the K&N) I would be willing to sell my S&B for 260 shipped. You will likely be happy enough with it especially at that price. It’s used… been in lots of videos. Email me at mstrgoodwrench@gmail.com if interested.
Take out the top two shutters leave the two center ones in take out the bottoms and they'll all be wide open I did it on mine I only run 170 degrees all the time on a high country with the PPE transmission pan I was over $200 the
I have a plethora of videos about that and other owners can comment through facebook groups and forums. They all vary... most are great, others have issues, much like everything else available.
Does the S&B filter box fall short due to similar issues on the pipe diameter change and maf positioning like the L5P that banks addresses? I know you addressed power lose issues
Hey ! A little different from the L5P shortcomings, but there is a size difference vs stock. I believe this video shows some concerns I have. ua-cam.com/video/OMVNFx-J0pw/v-deo.html
Ppe intake pipe or a and b intake pipe and k&n airbox. S&b airbox with side cover removed a close second. For noise. S and b always gave me poor fuel mileage and underwhelmed during multiple testing videos.
Quieter with the stock tube in place. The Fitment is excellent. I had a K&n that did not fit very well. They sent me a new box and that fit great which you see here. I then removed this and tested an airaid (same box) and it fit perfect. My current setup is ppe carbon pipe and k&n box with airaid (dry) filter.
Are you set with all your mod swaps as of what you've installed? What's the total $ and are you labeling it all worth it? Seems like alll nice to haves
I am looking into a LZO 3.0 right now . Do I have to do all these modifications to get a good ride out Of it ? I may just go with the 6.6 diesel and avoid all This .
@@BearPapa49 I totally understand ! The 3.0 and 6.6 are two totally different platforms. The 3.0 in a 1500 can get up to 13,000lb tow capacity but it's really a street truck that can do big things. It's still just a. 3.0 though. The ride will be better than a 2500 as will the mpg. That 6.6 will do everything you can ask of it without batting an eye, so it really comes down to what your use will be.
@@DemonWorks yeah I would not be happy with it either, I know it's spinning more because of the 3.73s, but +14°???? Maybe it's normal for a max tow package 🤔
Do you have a comparison video coming for the k and n air box vs the air raid? Really considering one of those but there’s not much info out on them vs the s&b
I do not, as far as I am aware, the airbox difference is on the lid. The air aid is closed off when the k and n is open. So, it makes less HP but also is all cold air from the front.
@@DemonWorks do you know if it is possible to run the airaid without the lid? Reason I asked is on their site it’s $100 off any intake this weekend lol I’m guessing the airaid is still a good choice for what it is
I just got rid of my 2021 Ram 1500 for a 2023 Silverado with the 3.0. I drive 110 miles round trip for work. I am not worried about more power. What is the best setup for fuel efficiency in your opinion or should I just leave it stock?
Leave it stock. The intake tube is nice because it adds some additional sound and response when you touch the pedal. Otherwise, stock form, these are very well built.
@DemonWorks ya so unfortunately that makes your setup $750 and you don't even use half the setup. Great sound and performance but hopefully they will sell just the pipe in the future.
It’s only available with the whole intake purchase. Recently PPE developed a replacement pipe that should be available within the next few weeks. PPE Carbon Intake Pipe replaces S&B on my 3.0 Duramax ua-cam.com/video/xSuciuAwwk8/v-deo.html
CFT - All policies listed on website. If have fitment issue that you believe is part issue ship back we check on jig and fit to our truck. If no issue we send back. Me- Would you say this is a part issue you will see on your jig? (with a pic) CFT - Dont see any issue Me - I reached out for some assistance, I can’t believe the service you are giving. CFT - You just sent a photo of part on the ground. Looks like part. Not installed or tried to be installed. So have zero idea what your issue even is. Me - I cannot install it, as it does not fit. The picture shows the angle the pipe ends at on top of a pipe that does fit. CFT - Then ship it back to us. We do unboxing video. Then show it to our jig, then installed on a truck. Post the video for you. From that maybe you get the help you need to install it. ..... Then they posted a video on how to install it and that's where they use the boot on the box to hide the misalignment. Just poor quality and poor service.
@DemonWorks I have this pipe actually and it fits about like yours . I did move my air box a little and loosend all the clamps and finageled it around for about a C+ fit. To me it looks like an easy fix for them . Kinda sucks they didn't back it up.
I 100% agree. This pipe was intended to be the engine bay upgrade I was after. The charge air cooler was going to be powdercoated the same color as well. I had high hopes and really tried to get ahold of these guys to make it right and I was let down, over the course of a few months. I felt I could "make it work" but in the end, I don't run products that I have to "make work". K&N had major issues on my box and they fixed that issue and I am stoked to have it on the truck. I think people should know what they are up against, because many out there don't have the ability to adjust and correct manufacturer defects. Glad you were able to make use of yours! and thanks for commenting and watching!
100% Not acceptable by any standards. Making it even more frustrating is they knowingly (as there was a fix) sent poorly fitting kits to paying customers.
Sounds awesome. Banks did say they are gonna come out with their ram air for the 3.0 duramax too. At some point… sometime lol
I'd buy that one without a doubt !
That’s a nice setup
I can't wait for that and the derringer!
This is rad!! Thanks for the videos. Im about to get a 2023 3.0 and wanted to get a intake and some exhaust for it asap u made it easy thanks again
You live in a beautiful area. Very blessed. Thanks for the video. It answered a lot of questions for me.
Yeah I opted for the Amazon elbow, trimmed back an inch or so. I did gain a few mpgs back from going to 35's. One things for sure, the stock intake tube has to go.
what was the mpg on 35s?
@@_GlitchGaming I'm sorry, it's been too long. I've since added a bed rack and RTT. I average 20-24 highway and 17-20 city now. With adjustment for tires.
@@_GlitchGaming I have a '24 AT4X with 3.0L LZO running 35x11.5-R20 Nitto Trail Grappler M/T. Have had the truck for 7 months and I average 18.5 mpg each month. Most of my driving is on interstate at 75 mph but fuel mileage really is the same in town as on interstate. Only difference I ever see is when pulling a 20ft trailer with 33hp Kubota tractor with implements on it.
@@chriswalker9218 ah just asking because I have a 24 LTZ 3.0l and I average 26-27 but I tent to keep to the speed limit so I was just wondering but not bad for 35s at 70+ mph
@_GlitchGaming Driving 70 or 75 doesn't make a difference with these 35's. I can get between 20-21 on highway @ 60mph. That's down here in south Louisiana on flat ground. Lol
I would love to see a video with the top 5 or top 10 Performance upgrades that you have found work the best on the LZ0 in order of importance or value add. You have done so much valuable research and tried different products and now just need a comprehensive video putting it all together, if you dont want to do a video, could you just reply here with a simple list? Thanks in advance!!
Great suggestion, I have one in the works!
To add to this idea… To show an economical package, middle of the road and no holds barred package of which products you’ve seen a difference in performance. I’m new to your channel and getting a little lost in what works or not. 😅
I went with the S&B CAI and I'm averaging 2-3 MPG more. Most of my driving is highway. 62.4 miles to work. No CELs but I followed the instructions to a T including disconnecting the battery for 2 hours
great to hear the positive results. Every intake I ran netted worse mpg. The S&B produced the worst for me though. What numbers are you seeing?
22-24 sometimes better depending on conditions. I have an AT4 with MT tires and a bedrack. I took the roof top tent off. The speed limit is 75 most of the way in.
With rack and tent before CAI I got 18-19 avg
With just reaching before CAI I got 19-21
Just rack with CAI 22-25 and it's more consistent.
@@BSO_Actual awesome! Thanks for sharing. I know people like to see what others are getting for mileage with different setups and conditions.
Yea man. I'm thinking about getting the S&B pipes and seeing if that helps any.
I got the 22.5 refresh AT4 in November and already have 25k miles on it lol
I got a couple mpgs worse with my s&b, had to take it off but thinking about putting it back on
It’s really too bad that the CFT pipe was made so poorly. Such a simple fix to the product is needed.
That sounds great
How does a company manufacture a piece like this that doesn’t even come close to fitting lol
CFT is just some small guy making some parts in a little town showing off his awards the town gives him for being the only weld shop in the town probably.
You have mentioned the K&N kit mess can be enclosed. Where can you buy a top cover?
Contact Airaid and get the cover piece for that airbox. I have video on it, second best intake I believe is how it’s titled.
What is the best setup for someone in high summer heat? I live in PHX and we spend most of the year above 100*. Will a CAI still be a good idea with our weather here? How does the Airaid/K&N CAI compare to a drop in filter?
I’m torn between getting a k&n or a s&b , a lot of people saying the k&n intakes are causing the check engine light to come on and other people say the quality of s&b is unmatched . I need opinions
I have videos on the S&B, it had less power and less mpg... The K&N is the one I have on my truck ... no check engine lights. Coupled with the PPE Carbon intake pipe, sounds great !!
@@DemonWorks I’ve watched all your videos and love them . But sometimes videos don’t do justice with sound. I haven’t seen anything from Ppe on a carbon intake pipe . I’ve had k&n intakes and filters all my life but I saw in one of your videos you mentioned the top just sucks in hot air
@@DemonWorks can you actually hear the turbo somewhat better with the k&n over the s&b?
@@chevrolaid350 I believe it is better (the K&N) I would be willing to sell my S&B for 260 shipped. You will likely be happy enough with it especially at that price. It’s used… been in lots of videos. Email me at mstrgoodwrench@gmail.com if interested.
Get ahold of wherli fab. There piping is amazing on my truck
Yeah, They need to produce some stuff for us 3.0 guys. I like their product!
Take out the top two shutters leave the two center ones in take out the bottoms and they'll all be wide open I did it on mine I only run 170 degrees all the time on a high country with the PPE transmission pan I was over $200 the
Solid info, I already do all of the above and my temps are 195/196 but the LZ0 is different from LM2. My LM2's all ran lower trans temps.
I would like to know if this 3.0-liter LZ0 Duramax engine is reliable?
I have a plethora of videos about that and other owners can comment through facebook groups and forums. They all vary... most are great, others have issues, much like everything else available.
Does the S&B filter box fall short due to similar issues on the pipe diameter change and maf positioning like the L5P that banks addresses?
I know you addressed power lose issues
Hey ! A little different from the L5P shortcomings, but there is a size difference vs stock. I believe this video shows some concerns I have. ua-cam.com/video/OMVNFx-J0pw/v-deo.html
Just bought a 2023. I want to hear the turbo. Which set up is the loudest.
Ppe intake pipe or a and b intake pipe and k&n airbox. S&b airbox with side cover removed a close second. For noise. S and b always gave me poor fuel mileage and underwhelmed during multiple testing videos.
How did it sound just with the cold air intake and nothing else? I also read a lot of stuff didn’t line up or fit properly
Quieter with the stock tube in place. The Fitment is excellent. I had a K&n that did not fit very well. They sent me a new box and that fit great which you see here. I then removed this and tested an airaid (same box) and it fit perfect. My current setup is ppe carbon pipe and k&n box with airaid (dry) filter.
@@DemonWorks also with the k&n and the ppe zilla do I need to purchase the ppe elbow that connects the two ?
@@chevrolaid350 great question! Not needed when paired with K&N
Only issue now is that the link for the CFT pipe isn’t working it send you to some circus thing
The owner of CFT passed away in an automobile accident.
@DemonWorks Damm that’s a bummer RIP great videos btw . A lot of knowledge on here
What happened to the CEL for the egr? P0402/p049c
I made a video on that, recalibration fixed my p0402.
Are you set with all your mod swaps as of what you've installed? What's the total $ and are you labeling it all worth it? Seems like alll nice to haves
unsure total cost, definitely happy with the current set of mods but always room for more !
@@DemonWorks I haven’t modded mine but it’s tempting
Does the k&n box connect to the factory cold air scoop??
I am looking into a LZO 3.0 right now . Do I have to do all these modifications to get a good ride out
Of it ? I may just go with the 6.6 diesel and avoid all
This .
No, they are good in stock form. The 6.6 is far superior so if that is even an option, I would go that route anyway.
@@DemonWorks ok cool I will . I just don’t want to regret the extra power I may need. I just retired . This will be my last truck . Ok thanks
@@BearPapa49 I totally understand ! The 3.0 and 6.6 are two totally different platforms. The 3.0 in a 1500 can get up to 13,000lb tow capacity but it's really a street truck that can do big things. It's still just a. 3.0 though. The ride will be better than a 2500 as will the mpg. That 6.6 will do everything you can ask of it without batting an eye, so it really comes down to what your use will be.
How is your truck trans temp running so hot? My 2023 AT4 LZ0, towing 7,000 lbs in 70°F weather, never got above 196°F......
in 30 degree weather and not even towing, I would see 210 degrees. 199 is better with the ppe trans cooler but still not good enough for my liking.
@@DemonWorks yeah I would not be happy with it either, I know it's spinning more because of the 3.73s, but +14°???? Maybe it's normal for a max tow package 🤔
If you remove some of your shutter vents will that cause your check engine light to come on
No, because they are linked to a bracket. As long as the bracket / slide is attached, all good.
@@DemonWorkssummer time wouldn’t be bad but I’d want the shutters in the winter 🥶
Can the stillen scoop push to much air into the intake? Air box, turbo, etc.
No, it’s not a direct / straight into the box setup. Still has to enter, go up then down into the tube.
Do you have a comparison video coming for the k and n air box vs the air raid? Really considering one of those but there’s not much info out on them vs the s&b
I do not, as far as I am aware, the airbox difference is on the lid. The air aid is closed off when the k and n is open. So, it makes less HP but also is all cold air from the front.
@@DemonWorks do you know if it is possible to run the airaid without the lid? Reason I asked is on their site it’s $100 off any intake this weekend lol I’m guessing the airaid is still a good choice for what it is
I actually just ordered the air aid though. Enough people have asked.
@@dustinshriver6032 you could. I won’t advise it. At least with the K&N there is a foam insert on top
Any more PO402 codes with this setup?
They need to go back to the drawing board cause that’s horrible fitment
I just got rid of my 2021 Ram 1500 for a 2023 Silverado with the 3.0. I drive 110 miles round trip for work. I am not worried about more power. What is the best setup for fuel efficiency in your opinion or should I just leave it stock?
Leave it stock. The intake tube is nice because it adds some additional sound and response when you touch the pedal. Otherwise, stock form, these are very well built.
Appreciate it. Thank you
Leave it stock
Is there anyway ypu can buy just the s b intake pipe?
Unfortunately, not as of right now.
@DemonWorks ya so unfortunately that makes your setup $750 and you don't even use half the setup. Great sound and performance but hopefully they will sell just the pipe in the future.
@@95tsidsh41 I hear ya.
Will the cft work with k&n or not?
100% will not, different designs. The CFT doesn't even properly fit with the stock box as it's designed.
Thanks. I love the videos. They are very educational.
@demonworks could you post a link to the S & B pipe? Thanks
It’s only available with the whole intake purchase. Recently PPE developed a replacement pipe that should be available within the next few weeks.
PPE Carbon Intake Pipe replaces S&B on my 3.0 Duramax
ua-cam.com/video/xSuciuAwwk8/v-deo.html
@@DemonWorks I figured so. I appreciate the response and will wait until PPE comes out.
Is k&N the go to? Pros and cons?
I think so, check the newest video with the airaid. pro's = most noise and no loss in mpg / cons = sucks in hot air
What did CFT have to say?
CFT - All policies listed on website. If have fitment issue that you believe is part issue ship back we check on jig and fit to our truck. If no issue we send back.
Me- Would you say this is a part issue you will see on your jig? (with a pic)
CFT - Dont see any issue
Me - I reached out for some assistance, I can’t believe the service you are giving.
CFT - You just sent a photo of part on the ground. Looks like part. Not installed or tried to be installed. So have zero idea what your issue even is.
Me - I cannot install it, as it does not fit. The picture shows the angle the pipe ends at on top of a pipe that does fit.
CFT - Then ship it back to us. We do unboxing video. Then show it to our jig, then installed on a truck. Post the video for you. From that maybe you get the help you need to install it.
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Then they posted a video on how to install it and that's where they use the boot on the box to hide the misalignment. Just poor quality and poor service.
@DemonWorks I have this pipe actually and it fits about like yours . I did move my air box a little and loosend all the clamps and finageled it around for about a C+ fit. To me it looks like an easy fix for them . Kinda sucks they didn't back it up.
I 100% agree. This pipe was intended to be the engine bay upgrade I was after. The charge air cooler was going to be powdercoated the same color as well. I had high hopes and really tried to get ahold of these guys to make it right and I was let down, over the course of a few months. I felt I could "make it work" but in the end, I don't run products that I have to "make work". K&N had major issues on my box and they fixed that issue and I am stoked to have it on the truck. I think people should know what they are up against, because many out there don't have the ability to adjust and correct manufacturer defects. Glad you were able to make use of yours! and thanks for commenting and watching!
Where are you located!!! I want this setup
I’m in northern Utah
@@DemonWorks i’ve got the new 2023 3.0 is there really any modifications that can be done more power fuel economy etc.
Why do people want their 1/2 ton small diesels to sound like like a big diesel? Buy the big diesel.
nothing here said it wanted to sound like a big diesel.
Walmart parts lol
100% Not acceptable by any standards. Making it even more frustrating is they knowingly (as there was a fix) sent poorly fitting kits to paying customers.
All aftermarket intakes for the 3.0 duramax are useless. Stay stock
Depends on what the buyer is after… but I discuss that in my most recent video