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They got traumatized in the scrim phases that they became wary of them more and more until the tourney day.
They (each team) played very carefully.
Not only carefully.... They prepared every situation in case aqua was there.
You could actually feel the atmosphere of each team that they know they have to get stronger to counter aqua. Team play, reaching solo masters, even actually talking about the aqua threat in their streams to show how they respected her.
Just the presence of startend made the lobby extra vigilant about their surroundings, Aqua alone made some of the higher end players play differently and closer to their teams that they usually would, nobody wanted to risk meeting the Mad Dog alone
the first game made me aware of this, starend probably get off guard by the sudden change of pace compare to scrims.
Remember astel? When kuzuha said he literally saw mad maggie alone that alive? Ibrahim call him back. More like regroup to certain location and kuzuha said thanks for that call back.
I guess those solo master and predator really hit different if engage against them. Either fight as a team or run away if met that solo master or predator player unless if their team got one guy that solo master/predator.
Ngl most of team will be very wary since all clip and battle of Aqua literally destroy anyone. So they had to think alot of worst situation if encounter and get ready on before and actual tournamen.
I thought with the win of the penultimate scrim they could finally relax but then Towa cried in last one and then everything went wrong :(
But it was very nice from Kuzuha to adressing them
They didn't win, but they left a great impact.
☝️😌
They are Comet afterall
this is the monster who won the tournament and were consistently on the top teams during the scrims. And like the other participants, StartEnd also gave a formidable impression to Kuzuha.
It really makes me proud that they became so strong and renown that other people continue to tell stories of them even After the tournament.
xD
I still can't belive kuzuha and ibrahim is on diamond 3 lol, they played like a master for me.
With aqua face in 😃 while killing other players lol
@@Huba_ha i never really watch kou, but ibrahim n kuzuha really not bad..especially kuzuha..its feels like he never serious/tryhard to rank up when ranking even though he definitely have the skill to get to master...
@@leozelllockhard9184 I remember about someone said kuzuha doesn't to rank up than diamond cuz is hard to make a team
Well he won the tournament now he even said his point will definitely rise up to master point after this also soraru and kanae also said that they want to do DID party rank up to master together
@@leozelllockhard9184 master nowadays are ez. The points are so inflated now I am 100% sure they can all do it be it teamed or solo. Not downplaying our beloved solo master Aqua though. The way she climbed was just next level stuff. If she no life it at the start of season, reaching solo pred is completely doable. Staying pred till end of season though...is another matter....
Everyone was getting screwed by Aqua's Devotion from the front and Astel's Drill from the rear
Giggity
They would have been deadly if they had a coach or mentor. Majority of the times they died were from poor positioning or being too slow at moving which left them no choice but to end up in a spot where multiple teams were looking at.
But I can understand why Aqua didn't want a coach. I don't think she's even collab'd with Towa directly before and she's not great with new people so having a coach would be an additional hurdle to get over as well as getting used to customs and not playing as a solo pub star.
I agree, and if they had more time together and to find a coach(maybe a female one would make it easier for Aqua) so that she could get used to it, they would have done a lot better. But knowing Aqua, she might need 3-4 or more months for this. And all 3 of them have been quite busy the past 3-4 months, so it would have been impossible anyways.
I do hope they can get together for another tournament with a lot more prep time. And with how good Aqua's relationship with Towa and Suisei is now, getting a coach might be a slight possibility.
I had so much fun cheering them on and have now started playing the game for the first time because of them.
I totally agree with you they always had a hard time on positioning since towa herself isn't experienced on being a leader on her recent tournaments and pubs positioning is so much different to tournaments that's why Aqua is having a hard time too if they had a coach it would be a total different scenario
Their decision making play was too weak and too slow to the point when i saw them rotate, i can already saw how they dead already.
Rotating slow was fine, a lot of pro teams play like that. Their problem was getting into fights while rotating and they would always be too far apart from each other. It always led to one of them being low and they're essentially fighting a 2v3 since the other 1 is healing. In fact, that's what happed in their 20th placement games during the tournament.
i'ts a shame that this is probably their last one as aqua said so because i really think they have barely reached their full potential yet.
@@rainscents Yeah man I agree with you too
Aqua really left a big impression on Kuzuha in every game they've played with each other lol. From Mario Kart to Smash Bros and now Apex. This is big copium but I hope they do a collab someday again not necessarily 1 on 1 but as part of a team or a group.
Introverts duo? I ship.
if only they can collab to whomever/whoever they want without being criticized by people - just having fun and making friends but oh well
an apex team with both kuzuha and aqua would be super deadly tho, i'm all up for it!
@@carlontesvito that if they will be able to talk to eachother lol, they'd need the social predator rank Kanae to help, or someone at his level.
@@kazumiryuuken1814 kanae kuzuha aqua played smash bro tgt before
I thought the one that's traumatizing people is Astel's drill, guess he's not the only one xD
Awww Kuzuha so kind and humble. His team's position is always amazing though. Maybe he dodged Startend on purpose too?
they draft is most likely a defensive draft type (Crypto,Wattson,Valkyrie). So usually, they avoid war, and playing to safe zone.
@@sleepwalker28 their positioning is top tier
@@Huba_ha yup. Instead of engage unneccesary battle uess had to, they need to get ready position and their defend inside ring. Since this tournament mostly balance team. Can't below 14 pts and can't above 18 pts. I forgot some coach tell to wary on kill log aswell.
Kuzuha's team was killed by Aqua quite a few time on scrims. For example on Startend very first on stream custom, Aqua wiped their team alone when she was just trying to scout (got 2 with her wingman and then pushed them with devotion). When Aqua did her solo 20th to 5th place, Kuzuha was the first victim of Aqua's devotion there too. And then that startend champion run that Aqua recorded and uploaded, Kuzuha died 1 v 1 vs Aqua too (he had low ammo there), and on Startend first official scrim win, Aqua deleted Kuzuha's team alone with devotion. So yeah, like Kuzuha said on this clip, I dont think he's being humble at all.
@@gonoki888 yup if people think kuzuha team scam point literally have no idea that if they one on one with the solo master or predator they will likely lose unless go with team and need teamwork to kill strong player first.
The highest praise for Startend came from Kuzuha, comparing Aqua with Niru and Masanori, who are controller preds, is really something.
The fact that it was their first tour also contributed on how nerve wracking they felt
i mean there were a lot of people watching and had some expectation of STARTEND winning... i believe there was 100k people watching being watched by a lot of people is enough to make you nervous but win or lose their were awesome af
@@iuaenajjang Aqua's stream during the tournament peaked at around 120K. If you add Suisei's & Towa's too there were over 150K people watching them (of course there were probably a lot who watched all 3 POVs but still)
I love how the entire KNR (a group of Apex Predators) agreed that Aqua is a pred material
One of the most memorable fights from scrims for Startend was on that transparent roof, with Kuzuha's team camped under them. They kept emoting at each other and for Ibrahim's drone, until Startend was forced to move down and the friendship quickly ended as Kuzuha's team was wiped out.
lol yeah it became kind of a dance off between those two teams haha
That incident was unfortunate for them. The area got invaded by odanobu team cause when they drone scouted, it wasnt careful enough, they thought it was empty. Once there, both got surprised and had to engage. Startend noticed dome being poped, clipping thru roof; came down for leftover.
It rly come down to a lot of luck in who got advantage in engagement between them. Nature of battle royale in full display.
Poor Kuzuha still remember that nightmare when Aqua killing their party one by one on that rock
holomem casually inflicting trauma to other vtubers in scrims (Astel's drill, Aqua being Aqua)
list of trauma instiller player of yesterday's Vsaikyou.
1. AqukinMaster (due to her aggresiveness. she kill enemy's team to the last soul)
2. MagyuMaggie/MadMaggie/Astel (due to his heat drill terror)
3. Deron Rampart (skillful play) certain player got annoyed and traumatized *even Startend.
Despite saying this, Kuzuha has the second most kills in the tournament, and the first most damage.Kudos to both teams.
Throughout the scrims, I really like their encounters. There were times when Startend would shred his team and there's also time when he just took them by surprise
*insert kuzuha becoming invisible
like even coaches are like just don't fight them or don't try to 1v1 aqua.
Kuzuha is a good Vampire
Startend was very strong and traumatizing for a lot of the teams during the scrim. But the name of the tourney is 最協 instead of 最強(strongest). They replaced the 強(strong) to 協(cooperation) and that’s what they lacked. Aqua was one of the strongest player but Suisei and Towa couldn’t keep up sometime. I was watching kuzuha’s stream during the tourney and watched other teams after that but there were lots of deaths that they were able to avoid.
They are like the most dangerous calamity. They will come and go with bodies on their wake. And in most cases, they will never return within your life span. So yeah. It is a startend for a reason.
Okay just hear me out. Imagine, Aqua, Kuzuha and Astel in one team. That would be scary and traumatizing to other teams.
Sadly, StartEnd means this is their first apex tournament and this is their last apex tournament. Hopefully, we could see them more in the future in other games.
Theyre planning to more activities in the future as StartEnd, but prolly no more Apex.
@@yannybee3707 sadly yeah. Hopefully other Hololive members would join Apex tournaments soon.
I hear Laplus Darkness got inspired by the VSaikyo teams, she seems interested on joining scrims. Hopefully i would see her soon with Matsuri or Towa.
i think itll easily crumble when there are more pro active players in the team. the reason a team can be strong is theres the one compliment each other movements
i mean, i could be end for startend, but for each of them, maybe not for apex tournament (towa yeah since she love playing tournament, but i hope aqua can join next time with some other people
Pakael, Astel and Aqua in one team though, imagine the monke. I’d also love to see Noah x Aqua 👀 …pretty impossible knowing Aqua lol but one can dream.
if it weren't for the practice matches, surely most if not all of the teams would be caught off-guard by how StartEnd fared with the other teams. most of them became more wary of StartEnd when they showed off their skills on the practice matches.
STARTing off with a bang and ENDing it with a blast!
mad unfortunate. mechanically they're probably the top or at least in the top 3 teams. a coach would have definitely helped with the macro decision making that imo i think they were lacking and what cost them the tourney. would have probably taught them to be more predictive and calculating instead of using a more reactive playstyle
thing is aqua have social fobia to the point that if an waiter is waiting for a que from her to bring her a menue she might take a moment or three...and that is a waiter. Now imagine a full on 20 teams tournament and a coach atop of that...not happening. If Someone aqua doesn't feel safe with is there as a blanket she gets socially hampered...alot of people don't understand this. That is why Towa and suisei jumped on the oppertunity as much as they did because multiplayer tournament intrest from aqua is RARE as in endangered species rare!
Suisei were litterary booked with two life performances, singing/dancing practice+streams etc for a month and then aqua asked her suisei just dropped shit and took time. Which coach do you think could handle that situation well? Then again aqua is a solo master so her game sence and combat experience is top notch anyway. As long as startend had fun it would be a win.
Aqua would literally die lmao her joining this tourney is a miracle itself and she only joined because it’s with Towa and Suisei. Aqua barely collabs with anyone, she’s known for being ‘SoloLive’ after all (in fact, it took 3 years for Suisei to collab with her and Aqua never collabed with Towa until this tourney lol) She’d most likely feel uncomfortable and will not speak up if there’s suddenly a coach she has never spoken to before.
Well towa already said like tourney can have unexpected situation something like that. No wonder those comment were true like gorilla not take seriously at scrim, so i was like maybe he coach his team first. After we see before and actual tournament, i didn't expect siro could pull that Q stuff too fast and gorilla command literally crystal clear and didn't rush ahead. Its not entirely impossible some team might do like gorilla which they learn do or don't so they learn first and can change legend if don't see fit. For startend they literally like at center attention. Unless they change tactic but thats impossible if they have bloodlust want to kill more and the pressure to get high rank 1 or 2. Aqua basically strong but in term of teamwork still look beginner and at least she experience it.
Towa experience in tourney so she know that will happen but she still new to as leader if im not mistaken. Usually i keep seeing her as support. The more fail, the more she will get good as leader.
For suisei, suisei just suisei.
At least this is memorable experience for them. I know the feeling of towa as leader to try bring team to victory. Its not easy. But even as weak team can win against strong fully equip opponent as long as play smart. I kinda forgot how many time i lose on that game and failed as leader. But towa team basically strong. Maybe too strong, the only lack is their experience in certain area like towa still new as leader, aqua and suisei new to tournament. Enemy can change their way or their playstyle compare to normal scrim or custom
Guys guys aqua have played with kuzuha before, why you guys think she cant have coach?
The matter is not she cant, its just she dont want to
@@alexally2769 i don't think you're giving her enough credit
even when they lose early, aqua always have at least 1k damage and that speak for themselves
StartEnd didn't expect the real match will be too different than the scrim, especially Aqua and Suisei who are the first timer of tournament.
It doesn't help that they just destroyed a lot of team in previous scrim sessions and it made other team had even tighter security in real match.
Combine all of this, the result is pretty deadly.
@@InnocentC0 Yeah, that Neoporte's BobSappATM team was told to never fight Climatizer (Startend) team at all cost, and then they consistently placed higher on scrim 4th day till tournament (2nd place iirc).
Not hating or something, but IIRC Aqutan only had about 1k damage once (in the fourth game, where they placed 13th). Other than that, they unluckily bumped into other teams a bunch of times early-game, which... yeah we all know how it ended ;;
@@RK-ib9ng the OP is talking about the scrims maybe?
@@RK-ib9ng yeah I think most of their fight happen during rotation and did not last until endgame
whoa this is a big compliment
I think it is always scary to fight an opponent that come at you and punch you straight in your face. Especially if you are more like tactical minded player. You hate to fight the unexpected.
Even King Kuzuha Amazed the Startend team
Such a humble comment from the King himself. Although in the end they ended up at 16th.
As least their no.16 prize really awesome
@@duster4441001 yeah like seriously, that prize should belong in the top 3. sasuga StartEnd haha
@@MikaHolic_Channel_OFFICIAL blame shibuya age and favourite number. So with that even lower standing can get better place if they can get no.16. Its not easy to get that lol compare to had to get rank 1 to 3 need to fight harder but no 16 is like how to know or reach it🤣
How if all this praises is the plan to make Aqua play more tour
I think one of the main reason Startend didn't get in a much higher is because the zone is keep getting further and further from them that they force to keep advancing
Their rotation is pretty much their weakness point. They never rotate fast enough to get to good position.
@@zaiwex true. They always had to fight a well defended place, with more than 1 team looking at their push. I say 7 out of 10 of their valk ult ends up in disaster.
@@zaiwex It's fine to play edge like that like they always did on scrim, their comp is better to play with that playstyle than taking a spot on ring and defense it. But on tournament day, they kinda decided to change strat and used valk's ult at wrong timing (too late to take nice position, all the other teams already there and they became an easy target) and could be better if they just slowly walk, and fight the gatekeeping team one by one.
@@zaiwex Why do people always think playing zone is the only way to play competitive? Do you think they can just loot up in Climatizer and magically Valk ult into the middle of the zone where there's already a dozen teams whose landmarks were in the first ring from the start?
@@Bludflag Not really, The guy is actually talking about Startend not the entirety of all players, also it's true that they're weakness is rotation if you managed to watch those scrim and the tourna streams. Especially on Aqua's very aggresive play style they can't fully utilize it if they're rushing to find a place
i think i remember someone thought in the game theres a predator player in the tournament? i forgot who said that, turns out its aqua strafing
I think it was Ichinose and Kanae when they were fighting Aqua's Wraith.
Uruha asked for help from Kanae because she's having trouble with a Wraith wiggling like a snake flanking them. It turns out it was the onion cat maid.
@@czaczaczar Wasn't it Kanae who asked Uruha for help?
Sadly they won't participate in other tournaments ever again, but i wan't to see them play again, maybe casual or ranked match. Ofc it's probably takes time before they'll play apex again.
honestly, i wish one day Startend will climb predator ranks to learn new ticks. only 1 player in the team who can do 1v3 never be enough. plus in the match where every team camp till last zone come. fight this kind of match with camp is more like RNG. aka luck base since when there are more than 10 team in the last zone. it mean you can't control any thing.
I think the only team that engages the most with startend and win more fight is only noah's team, they fight like about 5 times and win about 3-4 times of the encounter. Most team are either draw or loses against them, while most win are probably startend getting 3rd-partied after a fight
yeh, even during the scrims i noticed that as well, teams started to try to eliminate aqua's team early whenever they had the chance. Like Pakael team
Man... I only watched clips of the tourney so I wasnt expecting the results were like that.. But atleast they left a mark..
Aqua showed her improvement.. Towa gibby was amazing.. Also with how she controlled aqua from over doing things..smart plays, but Suisei surprised me the most since I only know her for her singing, tetris and being a psycho.. But never Apex.. Her team play was amazing and also her aim. Better than me whos been learning apex for a year now.
The best first and last tournament for StartEnd and hope they don't join any more. Mental health matters more than competitive FPS fanbase community.
I don't play Apex but man, the comments are competitive as hell as well.
Funny how the teams that placed 1st and 2nd are stating how strong and scary StartEnd and especially Aqua were despite them ranking 16th.
This is why you don't show all your cards during scrims. I had kind of expected the tourney result. When a new team like that makes a big expression during scrims you bet they'll be watching you closely, and in some cases put more effort against you. That's why during tourney day everyone was VERY wary of startend.
yup every clip, coach and player most attention toward startend. since aqua and suisei 1st time, its impossible to adapt sudden change to other competitor
No, Startend can't afford to hold back during scrim. They need to learn fast and learn from mistakes fast. They need to try things and give their all, especially when they have no coach.
He got tiger and horse from Startend
Oh yeah this man really went on a rant throughout his stream complaining how traumatized he was by their red armors and the wingman's shredding him
I kinda wish Aqua consider going into tournament again, even against what she was previously said.
and thanks to this, I honestly curious how Botan perform in Apex.
Botan+Aqua would be just too unbalanced, they'd easily go over the points limit... but it would be a glorious thing to see if they just did regular ranking matches.
@@turkalpha6884 Lol nah ur underestimating the contenders. They all have tourney experience. I heard botan is an r6 pro but apex is different. She gets clapped
you are overestimating botan. its been ages since she played apex and the other players are beast too
Aqua said from the start that she may change her mind in the future about this being her last tournament...
@@iantune Yeah, agree. I know Botan is probably really good at Apex, but we really never seen it at all (other than that one she played with Nene which was just coaching her). So imo, at this point, Botan's name is pretty irrelevant when we talk about Apex.
Yeah, i noticed when aqua start chasing solo master. Her melee gameplay looks like aggresive niru albeit niru could also playing slow with super long range harass.
Alot of *Experts like talking shit and downgrading their efforts and discredit how the other players actually viewed them in game. StartEnd tore through the scrims because of their strengths in a upfront confrontation. It took 2 weeks for everyone else to get used to StartEnd's aggressive playstyle and slowly adapted to avoiding them and cornering them with good positioning. The greatest strength and biggest weakness of StartEnd was their overwhelming confidence in winning neutral confrontations. In the actual Tourney nobody was going to fight them head-on. Everytime they died it was either due to poor positioning or getting 3-teamed. In a battle of attrition Suisei's lack of experience shows and Towa doesn't do well in prolonged fights.
You could even see from other's perspectives how they avoid them at all costs and only engage when they have superior positioning. Unfortunately it was their lack of experience that failed their ability to adapt to the final tourney.
I mean i saw 0 comments downgrading them, not just here but in many videos. Most comment just said they need better positioning and decision making, both points which you also said
Startend should've sandbagged until the tourney day. Then they would've won the tourney.
Seing their overall placement during the scrims i dont think that would make a big difference
In scrims they weren't even top 5 overall dude
Did he ever talk about astels team?
He talk about mad maggie annoying, iirc
And Kuzuha will never fight Startend again
Kuzuha: "I'm traumatised by Startend!"
Me: flashback to Kuzuha's Valk sneaking behind Startend* "But your Valk in that one game was more traumatising"
There's a reason why Startend, especially Aqua was more scary than the others. Because they just comes at you and kills your whole team. Most of other teams were playing more defensive play with securing position on ring, defense it, and try poking other teams once in a while until the ring force them to kill each other. But Startend is more a kill move team and playing on edge (more risky and less consistent style for sure, unless you're mechanically strong to always win head to head).
"USHIRO USHIRO USHIRO!!"
Even I got traumatized by Aqua's screech that time lmao
From my perspective, the only reason why startend not winning this tournament was onpy because they didn't lucky enough. What i mean is, they mostly barely have delay between each fight and this only my opinion. But even if they didn't win, they did win viewers heart and even make others team coach to alert their team to be carefull when fighting startend.
All 5 games the circle pulled to the left side of the map
Lack of tournament experience too.
yeah the circle pretty much cuck them hard in the tournament, not to mention alot of the games are really unlucky cause they got 3rd party and they have no way to counter that because people just sit in 1 place and abuse crypto
their positioning its not good enough
the reason why they lose in the most match because bad position...
And cause the other competitors also strong,
Let's not downplay other players power by saying that they got lucky that startend have a bad luck
They got killed by pakael team and gorilla team the teams who is arguably the strongest vsaikyou competitor and they also got killed by the team who won the entire tournament kuzuha team
All of those guys doesn't eliminated startend by pure luck if you watch the tournament they got good positioning and the call they made was very good
The only thing why startend didn't go to top 10 is probably the lack of coaching they didn't have any coach that's all all the team who got good coach finished on top 10 and top 5 , some people may think coach isn't needed but it's clear that coach is a must have when you watch the tournament.
StartEnd was really strong in team fights and 1v1s. Their weakness was rotation that's why they lost. In rank or pubs though I believe they would decimate teams just not in customs when the stakes are high.
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yep, it's better if Aqua won't joining tournament anymore, it's for her best although she pretty much frustated of losing and big chance wanted to retry for second chance like how she failed in first solo master. But damn, the amount of impact she caused just way too much mixed with positive and negative impact that I hope we would just go back to daily normal stream, I miss singing and minecraft stream too
Thats what you see from fanbase experience dude, fanbase is just doing their thing, The thing is better that Aqua joined tour that she can became closer to Suisei and Towa and maybe VSPO and "Nijisanji again" (long time no see AquaXNijisanji) glad to see Aqua became more talk-active rather than always being introvert. if you bring Aqua became sickness recenlty, Yes Aqua already became like that around 1/2/maybe 3 years ago (when she talked about non stop nosebleed) Aqua crew always worried about her healthy. Aqua is Well-known too that she always do overwork if she focused on something (this habit is always bring good and bad impact for herself). support her from her side not from what people think said.
@@Kaigainiki101 Yeah, the good side of joining is there but holy hell man the amount of negativity that Aqua get just beyond imaginary due to the hype she joining tournament for the first time. I've been being crew for quite a long time, but this is the first time I feel so personally impacted with how much negativity she get. Who knows how frustated herself reading the hate-posting while ego-surfing.
But well, I can't do nothing but proud of her willingly going this far from her comfort zone by joining this tournament, but it's enough just for this time. I myself can't do it nor have a brave for it which why I impressed to her a lot. I just don't want to see my Idol get more of this mental breakdown. I swear she is such a hardworker, but people turning their eyes off from her effort and only looking through the result.
@@nauchx Keep strong bro fans cant bother what the oshi wanted to do. Better to says NF and Dont mind rather than dont join another and better not join that mostly like Aqua already doing something wrong. We are fans are for Supporting not Controlling. i know too what are you curious about the threat from antis are get responded to Aqua or not.what i wanna say just enjoy what Startend already gives their best on tour.
*We will NEVER know what happend in the background until the person itself talked about it. so bring that topic if the person talk about it.
The comment section lmao
It's been days since the tour ended but people are still hung up about their mistake and "no coach", like does it even matter anymore at this point.
@@kanzaki2672 Solo master+first tour+great performance on scrims+ Many reaction from pros = Newcomer Fans. They just like Aqua Fps topic and just can talk about it. Thats why if crew see comment like that just ignore and let them arguing each other dont keep arguing with them.
Yeah i know that feeling well, when you know a bunch of monkeys W keying around the map looking for fights everywhere and they would come out top.
I know that feeling very well
but they still lost tho... lol
I mean, 1st timers what do you expect
Only one team win. Does that mean all the other 19 teams are trash?
Winning is not everything
Make Botan to be Startend's coach, it will be a good improvement
Wishful thinking, she explicitly said she will not be involved in FPS tournaments anymore. But yes, we fans can dream.
i dont get why you guys keep on saying that botan would help them. she havent played apex for ages and its not even in a compe environment. experience and current knowledge wise, aqua and towa are already better than her
@@iantune ikr. Also we all have to consider the amount of pressure that puts on Botan. She is the kind of person who grinded all the way to master rank till she felt like she was good enough to stream it.
No it wouldn't, she doesn't even play apex anymore
Yes they are too much hype for a 16th place team.
Lol, let the Hololive fans dream my man. They got dumpster and humiliated in front of 100k plus viewer. It's better then having holo fans bragging over little things that they do.
@@pipop1843 lmao dont be that salty just coz ur oshi has lesser viewers
Like Hal said, anything can happen in tourney, even when your team is super strong. Especially for Startend which was Aqua's and Suisei's very first tourney experience. Pakael's team placed pretty low too in tourney but we know how much of a beast he is. Chihiro's team was pretty strong contender too but unfortunately they ended up in 20th.
@@lolifreak6419 Okay I'm sorry, chill my dude. Just wanted to point out the ridiculous over-hypeness. Just image if they won and the fans will probably downplay other teams despite everybody best effort.
@@gonoki888 because pakael's and chihiro's team isnt the center of this vsaikyou sadly (despite pakael team is like top 3 points in scrim) . If startend didnt enter the tourney, they'd bodied by these predator coaches too