Coast-to-Coast Road Tripping a Chevrolet Bolt EV - Your Questions, Answered!
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2021
- This week, Nikki and her wife Kate are driving "Morden" the Chevrolet Bolt EV belonging to Winter and his partner, across the U.S.
Earlier this week, we asked our Patreon Supporters to send us their questions - and today we're answering a few of them from the road.
If you missed out this time, don't forget that you can become a Patreon at / transportevolved - and Winter and his husband will be repeating this very episode with some of your questions when they follow us across the U.S. in a Tesla Model 3 in a few weeks' time!
Presenter: Nikki and Kate Gordon-Bloomfield
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If I can arrogantly give my own answer to the question of what amenity is most desirable at a charging station: shade. Preferably cover against rain as well. A vacuum and some trash cans would also be really nice, just the chance to spend the time productively when you're off the road letting the family air out and giving the interior a quick clean, and of course there has to be power available if there's a charging station.
Yeah, covering would be great.
Absolutely. One time on the way to Lake Tahoe, CA I had to charge my Bolt in HAIL. It was awful!
@@moonw0man aw, man! Yeah, in Walterboro, South Carolina it just started to rain after my charge session. It would be nice if chargers had coverings like the Petro Canada chargers.
Ahh yes those Car Wash Vacuums. Those are money makers, should be a very attractive proposition for charging location owners.
@@Prodigious1One Petro Canada has really surprised me by getting so many things right and being so far ahead of other gas companies with their charging infrastructure. Not perfect, but miles ahead of most of the competition.
In the unlikely event that your route is going to take you across the stretch of Interstate 80 west of Salt Lake city, I suggest that you take a few minutes to pull off at exit 4 (just before the Nevada border) to visit the Bonneville Salt Flats Speedway. It's an astonishing environment. They won't be racing for another month, but just seeing the expanse of the salt flats is one heck of an experience and very memorable. Then get back in the car and back onto the highway.
As someone in their sixties who is unlikely to visit the US ever again (went to SF back in the day) I am really enjoying seeing the sights with you. So glad to 'meet' you Kate, your input was great. You two remind me of me and my wife when we were younger. 🤗 🌈 Looking forward to the next installment, cheers for all the work that must go into getting the vids out to us even though you're on holiday. 😊
“Focus!” ROTF.
Charging stations need to be like gas stations… Food, restrooms, trash receptacles: all basic necessities.
Also, COVERED charging ports… shade from the sun and shelter from the rain and other elements.
“Ooo motorcycle”
“Focus” 😆
It's lovely to finally meet you, Kate!
Rainbow friendly - What a great way of putting it. Living in the UK, a canopy over the chargers would be nice to keep the rain off, and in the summer solar panels on the canopy could help charge your car.
They say the longer a couple are together, the more alike they become. Kate and Nikki are no exception, it seems. Great video.
BMW 650? Ideal motorbike? To each their own, but I would much prefer a ZERO DSR with charge tank. Much more Evolved! 😀
Sorry I missed this on the stream; work got in the way. And apologies for using a word you were uncomfortable with. It was not my intention to offend.
Anyhow thanks for answering my question, your response totally makes sense and that's the way I'm inclined to think as well. We will be taking a trip north from the greater Silicon Valley area to Vancouver BC health & safety allowing, visiting friends along the way, and that's a tad off the beaten track. Eventually, we're hoping to do a cross country trip as well. I have ulterior motives to asking the advice of others. :)
I have the same feeling on people new to public charging, like the ID4 folks.
Being the only one with an EV in this small ski resort village, each and every time some guest at any hotel had to use the public chargers, the concierge phoned ME!
Why hotels here didn't install their own EV plug is a mystery to me, but people climbing up here with an EV not checking HOW to use the one and only charger here is even a bigger mystery.
Looking forward to your updates on the Chevy Bolt EV fires after the "final" update! Great update, this week has been a fun adventure for all of us with all the guests :-) Wow, your description of Niagara Falls' charger makes me want to go :-)
Fires, plural? I saw a report yesterday of one. I can’t find the article now but it belonged to a state rep. He was alerted when it first started to go thermal, fire department arrived as the first flames appeared. It looks like they got it knocked down pretty quick, so it should be good for GM/LG/NHTSA to analyze.
There is a pattern with the fires now most models from 2019 and they were charged from 0 to 85 percent - this pattern is persistent according to Reddit and Eletrck reporting
Kate 100% needs to do more videos!!! Love having her with you Nikki!!!
Loved to see you both. Such a great relaxing video. I enjoyed it quite well.
Very wise. I lost my safety margin once by missing the right on ramp and got stuck on a motorway at 90° to my intended and it was 25miles detour. 20% is a good target where your destination is not home.
Nikki, Apart from ICE bit, the BMW GS 650, red and white, is my favourite bike also. I drive a Vectrix vx1 with Leaf modules that achieves 180km range. Eamon
Nikki, you are a natural in front of the camera! I don't know if you have to rehearse but you make it look easy and always interesting.
Thanks for letting us ride along. Sounds like you both enjoy challenges with added obstacles
Meijer has historically supported alt-fuel cars. I do think their leadership is enthusiastic about evolving our transportation. I hope both of you enjoy the rest of your road trip.
Thanks guys, enjoy your drive.🙂
Yesss,,,, Plug and Charge, standardized charging speeds... would be so nice.
Plug and charge is a must, “Fastned” are a charging point mainly in Belgium, the Netherlands and a bit in Germany with just three chargers in the U.K. have introduced plug and charge.
I had a chance to tow a NuCamp T@G teardrop trailer with my 2017 Bolt LT. It cut my highway range from 200mi to about 120mi... but then, this was a teardrop with a king mattress, A/C, hitchenette in the back. It was a nimble 1220 lb load. The Torklift Ecohitch gave my Bolt 1500lb of towing capacity!
Did a 5x8 uhaul at 1600lbs, from Oklahoma, down through Texas into Southern NM. Got the same mileage, about 2 Miles/kW.
I got the uhaul 2000lb hitch (they also have a 1000lb) and the contactless trailer controller to avoid damage to the harness. Highly recommend that for anyone interested in putting a hitch on their Bolt.
Lovely set of vids so far. Keep it up.
What a blast! I hope you're enjoying yourselves.
Ah, driving through the ridiculous flatness. My wife's family lives there - and we've driven there from Portland many times. (We've stayed at that Quality Inn while visiting her relatives!)
It's like driving through Saskatchewan, it takes you 20 minutes to realize that you've run out of gas.
Virginia is for lovers, but Nebraska is FOREVER
On my recent trip I went east on I-90 and back west on I=94 because of the new V3 Superchargers installed in North Dakota. There are several places on I-90 where Tesla only has 4 plugs per spot and they are rapidly becoming crowded. I cut short my charge in Rapid City to let someone else charge and added a stop in Wall SD since I have never been there before despite driving past it for 32 years.
Due to potential crowding it is worth considering driving at night, except in June that means playing the deer crossing lottery and less places with bathrooms are open. It would be nice if Congress would put some of the 500,000 plugs at highway rest areas. Make them have a Tesla and CCS plug on each, or even a J1772 that everyone can use, although slowly.
I use a combination of Booking.com, and Hotel Tonight apps and some people also use Priceline to find deals. I usually look for a room along my route at 9-10pm where ever I think I can get to by 11-12pm. It normally works fine to get me a room for $50-100, but on a friday night in western Montana my choices were between a $365 room, or a $750 room two hours away, so I set my alarm at charging stops and took naps the rest of the way home since I can set the HVAC to stay on and keep the temperature
nitrogen would be dry. Air would be damp. i.e. contains water vapour. Vapour pressure varies strongly with temperature, so wet air will increase ion temp more than nitrogen filled tyres. Not significant in domestic road use. Matters a lot in F! where a 1 lb difference in pressure makes a big difference in performance.
I'm thinking that this mixes together two different ideas. There's no reason that ordinary air can't be dry -- that's what a dehumidifier does, though household ones don't do a complete job. So perhaps the idea is that it's easier to fill from a nitrogen tank than to dry ambient air.
Thanks for sharing such latest technology real information.
Nikki, also check for last-minute hotel rates on the HotelTonight ap. There are amazing offers especially later in the evening!
When you came from Niagara Falls did you use the free dc chargers at the welcome center on Grand Island because EA put them in but they aren’t marked in their app?
Great to see you guys together 🇬🇧
Standardised would be nice to have the charge flaps in the same place.
Cool! I just drove from Marietta, GA to Richmond Hill, GA and from Richmond Hill to Walterboro, SC then to Charleston in my 1st gen Leaf. I averaged about 50 mph. The first gen leaf seems to prefer that. I learned a lot of little lessons. Line stay at a hotel that has chargers. I charged at alley hotel since mine didn't let me charge at their wall outlet. Also Electrify America only let me one charge session. I couldn't do an additional charge.
lucky charms and mountain dew, excellent road trip snacks
For road trips it's all about the gummy bears and beef jerky, yeah my teeth hate me!
I'd add for charger stops or include windshield washer equipment, garbage bins, some type of cafe/food stop, good lighting, solar roof for shading and rain protection. Biggest being reliable dependable charging and agree 'plug and charge' as standard globally. Charging needs to be as easy as filling up a petrol/diesel vehicle.
There are a few Superchargers that supply windshield cleaning squeegees like The Fort in Big Timber Montana and the Supercharger in Centralia Washington, but otherwise I got a cheap spray bottle I put windshield wiper fluid in and I have a sponge for removing bugs. They sell them in the RV section at Walmart and other places.
I wish they all had trash cans, or people would take a few steps to a trash can because I saw dirty diapers thrown in the weeds next to chargers that give me flashbacks to cleaning the parking lots at the grocery store I worked at. I almost hate dirty diapers as much as cigarette butts.
The next time you are driving through central California on Highway 5, stop at the Kettleman city Tesla charging station. It is absolutely great and was designed the way all future stations should be built.
You must post pictures of that station. So other charging stations owners can take some pointers from.
I literally just used that exact same charger a few days earlier!
I like Tesla's plug much more then the CCS DC fast charger port used on my BMW.
I would need an awning for rain snow and sun.
Do you have a video where you explain in detail how you set up A Better Route Planner to use a Bluetooth OBD-II dongle to stream real-time telemetry from the Bolt into the ABRP app? I'll be driving my 2020 Bolt from KY to CA next week and I'd like to run a similar setup.
Have you ever been at a station that had over head canopy to keep you out of the rain ?
I've done over 50k miles of road tripping all over the US in my Bolt (8300 last month), I've never seen a canopy.
Safe trip. Great video.
Looks like the chargers at Grand Island NE. Remember Kearney has 50 kw charger now
I have to admit the "...and Ian" t-shirt was not that serious an idea but I love that you are some what running with it. So if you do make it, it would be rude of me not to buy one.
I suspect that Tesla will change to CCS on their own. CCS will vastly out number SC soon and we'll be zipping in and out while the Tesla's will be queued up. And L2's at hotels, parking spots, etc. will be CCS predominantly because that's what most EV's will be.
Outnumber. Sure. Never once seen a queue and we’ve supercharged hundreds of times in our 2013 Model S. Tesla keeps adding and the locations are outstanding. I don’t care what CCS does or doesn’t do, hope it goes well for other EV owners but as a Tesla owner, charging is not remotely a concern.
I think Tesla is more likely to give CCS adapters to their clients then change their plug in the US. The only reason they'd change it if it gets standardised I'd think, like what happened in the EU.
In EU all Tesla superchargers already had CCS plugs - and Tesla cars sold in Europe have CCS-ish sockets.
They didn't do on their own. They did because they have to, or Tesla can't be sold in EU.
Now, many are using kind words and persuasion to convince Tesla that, now that the hardware is already the same for every EV in Europe, maybe could be a good idea to open superchargers to not-Tesla cars, perhaps?
I never experienced other chargers until our trip to Vermont. Night and day difference between Tesla and others. We charged at 5kw as compared to Tesla 100 - 250kw. WHAT A DIFFERENCE
If you’re charging at 5kw then you’re not using a rapid charger - Nikki
@@transportevolved There was only 2 sets of chargers available in the "Northeast Kingdom" in Vermont and they were terrible
Oof! 5kw is rough! Must have been a level 2 charger, yeah? Even level 2 chargers usually go up to 30kw.
I'm guessing you mean 50kW, not 5. Yes, that was the standard "max DC rate" for CHAdeMO and CCS for the first few years. But CCS has gone beyond that now, with some going up to 350kW. 150kW is "the default rate" on most new CCS EVs.
Here's a comparison of many different EV's "charge curve" - (how the charge rate drops as the battery gets closer to full) www.electrive.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/p3-charging-index-2019-02-min-888x444.png
@@michaelbatchelder Just looked up, and yeah, that's a bad place for DC chargers. Multiple 25 kW units, and only one 50 kW that I can find.
Good to hear you folks are trying to charge between 20% and 80% your battery will love you latter in it's life for putting those restrictions on yourself!
Kate has a nice smile!
I like taking road trips in my Bolt (now it's fixed). For one thing that would be more relaxing? I would chose if the Bolt radio only turned on when "I" turned it on only and not constantly every time you blink to throw advs at you. My radio even turns on whenever I use voice typing to reply.
If you don't want to use the radio, set it to XM station 0. It's silent.
@@D44rkFx Thanks I'll try that!
Aurora NE also has 60 kw DC charger in nice small town.
Also you could drive on Hwy 30 to go 65 mph
Is electify America getting better. I have driven to Portland 2 times in the last year had huge issues with Electrify America. sometimes had to try 6 plug ins and call them to get 1 to work. Verry rare to plug in and have it work.
In aviation the use of nitrogen is to have absolute dry air and clean air. If the air supply is dry there is no gain to use nitrogen!
Airplanes are concerned with water freezing in the tires, cars not as much.
What is your charging at? How many kw?
On filling tires with Nitrogen - I was told by a tires place that _doesn't_ offer Nitrogen that for my BMW i3's winter tires we *SHOULD* fill with nitrogen. The 20% oxygen plus water vapor expands and contracts with temperature, and apparently can make quite the difference on winter tires. (Not Winter's tires.)
Hmmm, all gases expand and contract with temperature, so it seems to me that the only difference would be if one of the ingredients actually changes to a different phase -- for example water vapor condensing or freezing.
Yes for the aaaannnnnnd Ian tshirt and hoody. It's not often warm enough for just a tshirt.
I keep hearing people mention making Tesla cars switch to CCS and I firmly say no! to this. First, Tesla is much more than half of all EV's and the only one that built a charging network. The chargers are built into the price of the car, so I am against devaluing my car.
I would say you can easily add a Tesla plug to a CCS charger like I think EVGO is doing by getting rid of most of the CHADEMO plugs.
I would be hugely in favor of co-locating Tesla and other chargers like they are doing in the UK with other services like cafes and coffee, because right now many charging spots of all brands are in a hotel parking lot or somewhere where there may or may not be a convenient bathroom.
I'd like to see adaptors both ways for Tesla and CCS, but I think technically the protocol and comfort of use are far superior on the Tesla connectors. I'm glad we have them here being used on the great majority of EVs.
In my opinion, North America should standardize on the Tesla connector. See my comment above.
I love Mountain Dew too
Very very interesting to have Kate in front Of the Camera. Maybe maybe Xmas Kate video?
The most terrifying time I have ever had with my Mitsubishi has been when I planned charging 10 miles away but detours took me 15 miles out of the way. I didn't see the turtle but I was quite surprised I didn't.
Yes in strange territory where they're known not to be especially affirmative that could be important
Hi Kate!
Will you try to use the opportunity to experience FSD beta now that you are in the US?
If there’s a viewer on the west coast who’d be willing to let us film with their FSD beta car, we’d absolutely love to. I’m the only team member with a Tesla, and my Model 3 doesn’t have FSD. Unfortunately, because it’s an early model, while I’ve got Autopilot (EAP when it was bought by the previous owner), I don’t think my hardware will be able to run the FSD subscription when it comes out. So we’d need to try someone else’s even then - Winter
Question, did you stop at Sheffield, Oh EA charger
/Wave from Colorado :)
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I know you've probably answered this before, but how are the seats in the bolt on such a long trip? So many reviewers complain about the seats being uncomfortable.
Nikki and Kate don’t mind them, but I find them pretty terrible. Weirdly, I don’t find Mordin (the car Nikki is driving west) to have seats as bad as new Bolts I test drove (we bought Mordin with 35k on it) making me think they got a bit better as they broke in.
But our Tesla Model 3 is an early model, and its seats are awful too (I’m told they got *much* better in later Model 3s). I don’t know if the revamped Bolt seats fit in the older models, but I do know the newer Model 3 seats would fit our Tesla. I may seriously look into replacing the Tesla seats, but will probably just keep living with the ones in the Bolt, since we don’t road trip it very often compared to the Tesla - Winter
+1 for "and IAN". Maybe "Cleaner, Greener, Safer, Smarter.... and Ian"
Love the BiFrosted Loki Charms 👕💯😎
Standardized charging infrastructure from all car manufacturers, the world over.
Europe (27 nations) has just agreed to standardise on CCS for the future, even the new/upcoming Nissan EVs will drop ChaDeMo.
In the UK we have a new supplier of charge points on the motorway network who is well funded with Private and Government finance and intends to replace, and has started on replacing, all of the aging existing chargers with New , mostly CCS. All pay by credit card.
There should be a standard plug for the Public Charging Networks, that way every manufacturer takes into account that their vehicles MUST be able to charge using that standard plug even if it is with an adapter. That way companies can continue to innovate. Let's say 5 years from now company X develops a way to deliver 400kw to their vehicles using their proprietary network and plug they can just deploy it even if the standard plug can't handle that amount of power.
I hear many people complaining about how Tesla uses a different plug. The majority if not all of those complaining don't own a Tesla. The people who actually gave Tesla their money by purchasing a Tesla are enjoying what they have for charging. I don't complaint or care what kind of connector Apple uses on their phones because I don't own an iPhone.
If any car company can develop a plug that is going to make their product better they should do that for their customers but again those cars should also be able to charge using that nation or worldwide standard connector even if it is with an adapter.
Opening the Supercharger to other brands might be a good idea. In the US Tesla can sell adapter so others could use their Charging Network and make some income to continue deploying more chargers. Also by having other manufactures vehicles charging at their charging stations, Tesla would be showing their dominance (on the charging aspect at least) over other manufactures. Imagine Ford, Nissan, Porsche, Audi.... Owners charging at Tesla Superchargers. I bought a Porsche but I have to go to Tesla to charge. Good advertisement for Tesla while also making more money to continue building more chargers.
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I went to 7% on July 4th and - that is the lowest I’ll go -
Filling with nitrogen eliminates moisture (humidity) giving a less temperature varible pressure.
Can you quantify the improvement?
@@BixbyConsequence Sorry , no. a general consideration. The greater the pressure the less road surface contact ie: frriction and thus the better milage. My guess, perhaps 1 - 2 percent overall improvement over "plain" compressed air. For graphic display see venting of pressure reservoir / expelling accumulated water vapour. on compressed air systems. Other source, '60's Shell "Platformate" commercial.
You think NE is flat, you should go across SD. My mom was from there and we visisted family in south eastern SD and then drove to Cody WY. road disappears into the horizon, surrounded by corn.
Try the Nullarbor, 1100km of flat, almost treeless nothing.
Nice to meet Kate. She is just as pretty as you are.
don't look now Win, but i think your Bolt's been "jacked" by THELMA AND LOUISE...!!! you can just kiss that car goodbye cause they look to be having way too much fun. do not approach, do not pursue, unless you want to be "that guy" forced to retrieve your car from the bottom of a canyon.
I would like to see everyone else use Tesla's standard since they are the ones with the largest network of chargers
About charging connector standardization, let’s be truthful. In North America, Tesla dominates the EV market so much that it is hard to find ANY non Tesla EV on the road in Florida where I live. It would be so much better for everyone if all EV brands were to standardize on the Tesla charging connector. Start to retrofit the few thousand non Tesla EV’s still on the road, or else provide adapters. Electrify America, ChargePoint, etc are dead ends. Those charging stations are around, but they are empty and frankly useless. They should convert their network to Tesla plugs while they still are in business. Without customers, they will be gone in a few years.
We’re not talking only a few thousand non-Tesla EVs. Just Nissan Leaf and Chevy Bolt sales account for a quarter million cars in the USA. Given the conditions Tesla places on allowing other companies to use its (in my opinion superior) charging standard, it’s unlikely many companies will adopt Tesla connectors, while any company can choose to use CCS without the kinds of contractual limits offered by Tesla. - Winter
More Bolt fires! Only option now - replace the entire battery like they should have done in the first place. I've been saying this from the beginning. You can't fix this kind of hardware defect with a software upgrade.
As we’ve been saying, we’d rather a battery replacement - but wanted to see what the software update offered. -Nikki
you two do not look a day over 21 - have a safe journey back
We need to build hydrogen fueling stations outside of California. The last time I drove across the country, we averaged 8 hours and 500 miles a day. If you're using a 60% band on a car with a 230 mile range, that means it's 43 minutes on a 50 KW charger (still the most ubiquitous) and maybe 35 minutes at the Bolt's 55 kWh max charging speed. Let's assume you can do 10 hours of driving a day find one faster charger
and two slower chargers, charging adds 2 hours a day in travel time, over the course of a 5 day trip, that's 10 hours or basically a day and a half. And that assumes you can find a level two charging station at a hotel, but good luck with that, I mean you're at a fast charger in Quality Inn Parking Lot. On the other hand a Gen 1 Toyota Mirai, which is basically Toyota's version of a Chevy Bolt, were there can travel 260 miles before the fuel light comes on and takes about six minutes to fill once the fuel light is on. In an eight hour day on the road, a Mirai would need to fuel once for a total of six minutes. A Bolt meanwhile would need to charge three times for two hours in the same eight hour day. At the end of the day, the Mirai has gone 513 miles and the Bolt 387, a difference of 126. The Mirai's average speed: 64 mph, the Bolt? 48 mph. And you don't have to worry about heat generated from fueling because the hydrogen is basically frozen. I just don't think that long road trips where you spend 10 hours over 5 days in Wal-Mart, McDonald's and Quality Inn Parking Lots is that appealing to the masses. It's a sacrifice some are willing to make, but I think hydrogen is better for most use cases on road trips. And three years of free charging on level 3 chargers--they'll be lucky to have 90% of its original capacity at the end of the three years.
make sure you bring a big fire extingisher
I guess no one asked how much you paid to charge at these stations, or you chose not to answer that question. Your reaction about the couple that chose not to get a home charging station, tells me, that it's expensive to use a charging station, so it's not pennies to fill up like all of you keep claiming.
I have asked the question of everyone on YOU TUBE that touts EV's are cheap to charge "how much it cost to use a charging station", and NO ONE gives an answer.
It’s like asking “how much is petrol?” There isn’t one answer, as it varies, sometimes dramatically, by region. As a general rule, I find DC fast charging costs a bit more per mile than filling up with gas, but even that’s not always strictly true.
We’ll be totaling up our charging costs for both the CCS Bolt and the Tesla Model 3 journeys out west in our big video all about the trip that we’ll be making after my husbands and I do our own trip across the country in his Tesla, joining our Bolt, and the TE team, in Oregon. - Winter
Edit: we’re going to have to look at the charging costs from both a real and an “in most circumstances” perspective, since Nikki and Kate had free Electrify America charging for the first couple of days due to the 4th of July holiday
Maybe no one gives an answer because you can just look it up online for whichever vendor interests you, like here: www.electrifyamerica.com/pricing/
Ah, American public bathroom stalls, the ignorance is breathtaking. As a Trans woman I hate the lack of privacy.
You could have been still travelling at 80 or 90 instead of stood there twiddling your thumbs charging, if you were driving a diesel. Love 💘 mine.
Enjoy your diesel until the expensive repairs start!
Hope you love the toxic, carcinogenic fumes it creates, and the cancer it may well give you or those you care about. What an idiot...
Boycotting Tesla Time News (Now You Know); sick of UA-camrs pushing their haircare products and every other commercial product when I pay for commercial free shows. This greedy attitude has to stop or make them put a warning that this video contains commercial advertisement.
Sorry- what does this have to do with the road trip? -Nikki
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