The 'New' DB Intercity 2 (Stadler KISS) - Dresden to Berlin Second Class Review
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Hello, welcome back to another train trip report on my channel.
For today's video, I will be travelling with Deutsche Bahn (DB), on 'Der Neue Intercity'. That's the Stadler KISS variant of the Intercity 2 family of trains from Deutsche Bahn. This is a double-deck Intercity train, which is presently dedicated to the new Rostock-Berlin-Dresden route.
These trains are classed as DB 4110, and despite being described as 'new', they are in fact some three years old. The units are second hand from WESTbahn of Austria, who used them to compete with ÖBB on the Wien to Salzburg route. During the selling process, both ÖBB and DB expressed interest in purchasing the fleet, however in the end they were purchased by DB. With their maintenance base still being in Vienna/Wien, Austria, the units routinely cycle through an overnight train from Warnemünde to Wien, a nearly 15 hour journey in a seat!
Today's trip is from Dresden Hbf, where the train will call at Elsterwerda, Doberlug-Kirchain, Berlin-Schönefeld Flughafen/Airport (SXF), and Berlin Südkreuz, before finally arriving into Berlin Hbf. The train goes on to further destinations, including Rostock Hbf, and Warnemünde.
I hope you enjoy this week's video on this 'new' German InterCity train! :)
#deutschebahn #intercity2 #stadlerKISS #db4110 #tripreport
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Journey Details:
Origin: Dresden Hbf
Destination: Berlin Hbf
Company: Deutsche Bahn (DB Fernverkehr)
Train: DB 4110 'Stadler KISS'
Accommodation: Second Class Seat (2nd)
Distance: 110 miles / 177 kilometres
Price: €21.10 (£18.82 / $25.10) - Including City-Ticket
Time: 02h13m + 7L
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As a nation, we should keep some habits we developed in response to Covid-19 even once the pandemic is over. Like public dispensers for hand-sanitiser.
I agree, it's a good gesture at any time to be honest.
It's not a good idea at all. All Train Stations have toilet/washrooms and therefore plenty soap dispenser, good enough to clean your hands. Handsanitizer are an overkill and tend to get overused! That's bad for your skin!.
@@hansb.8 At least in my case, constant washing is worse than hand-sanitiser. It dries out the skin and since my skin is already very dry, it wreaks havoc.
@@gerdforster883 Thanks, I understand. However, pliz allow me to make a suggestion; try to find a coconutoil soap made from virgin Coconut Oil. That means cold pressed. Balms made with Bee's wax and that oil is also very good nourishment for your hand and for the whole body as well. Stay safe and enjoy your journeys. 🇫🇯
I really like German transit system. Live in Korea, there's so many new projects. Maybe it's better to renovate existing facilities.
I agree, it's very well thought out!
It really depends, in the UK not bothering to spend the money on big upgrades has meant that the quality has really fallen behind in many places and that the system is more expensive to run as well. It's all about finding the right balance.
Which side north or south?
Korea does it better
I usually go to german every year (except last year when I went austria) but due to the rona I haven’t been able to go this year. Love german. Fantastic modern country and the people are some of the nicest and down to earth I have ever met. Transport is excellent and the food is way underrated. Great place
Shame you couldn't get out there this year, here's to the future eh?
Where do you normally visit? 🇩🇪
My 2nd home love Germany
Lol I go to Germany every year
the Stadler kiss is very impressive trainset, I'm waiting for Caltrain to have them in operation.
Am I the only one who thinks that' trains are getting better or is it just that I miss so much travelling by train?
It depends. Some new trains are good, and some are bad. I really did miss travelling on trains when I couldn't - too bad it looks like this will happen again...
@@SuperalbsTravels Unfortunately, everything suggests that a new wave of the pandemic is coming. Hope not, though.
@@s_acostamuniz 😂You lot are the problem. Stop parroting the baseless narrative that we’re under any real danger. Let the virus run it’s course and get on with life and stop this disproportionate nonsense that’s nothing more than an illusion of safety for mongoloids lost under an illusion of danger.
@@cadetkidkilla It's all fun and games until the virus's course runs right through you or someone you love.
@@Trockenshampooleopard This has been the most common simplistic response to this reality. It of course ignores the main fact that the virus lacks any level of lethality to those that are healthy in the main. It also ignores the fact that those small group who are weak and vulnerable to the virus likely suffer other ailments hence there weakened state, and that they’re now struggling to get treatment for those other life threatening conditions thanks to this drop everything mentality surrounding the virus. I’d also argue that attempting to shield vulnerable people from a transmittal virus across many months actually places them in greater risk than having them in a state of total lockdown for a short period whilst the rest of the country goes out and develops a protective immunity. People’s inability to consider a multitude of factors and view COVID with any level of nuance is a far bigger problem than the virus itself. And people like yourself are unfortunately at the heart of why we’re struggling,
15:40 Such a very Sharp braking
2:50 These 2-car trains are so-called "Taktfüller" (i.e. trains that run on the line during peak hours.) They often cover only a part of the route, unlike their big "brothers" with 4 cars, but run at 10-minute intervals.
The vending machines only taking cash is quite peculiar, but very German - banknotes and coins are used to pay for many more things than I was used to! The cheaper supermarkets still only take the German Girokarte but not VISA or Mastercard, and I remember having the same struggle of trying to find cash for the vending machine *constantly* 😢
Cash is King in Germany ;)
We love to pay cash. It prevents us from sprending too much. ;)
Whilst it is very odd, I do agree that it is certainly very German! ;)
Pretty sure those are the original machines back from the Westbahn days. But true, cash is the norm in Germany.
Which ones? Rewe, Edeka and Aldi (nord and Sud) excepted my Dutch (ING) bankcard and my VISA card.
It's good it has a buffet car. GWR could learn something from it.
Isn‘t GWR owned by DB too?
Our beloved UK can only dream that one day it will have a network as efficient and clean as the German railway. Great video!
Thank you very much! You're not wrong, and it's a real shame...
It used to be clean and efficient. Nowhere near that now. Sure, its better than in England, but that is a very low standard to compare against.
Droge,
I know what you mean. Why can't we have double decker trains like in this vid. I mean, even the price for 2 hours journey cost him 18 quid.
Ours would have been 70 quid or more
@@spidyman8853 you went 1st or 2nd class?
@@EmperorStorky
Economy class (standard class)
Wonderful beautiful video. Many greetings from Switzerland
Thanks. Of course, this is a Swiss built (and even Swiss registered) train! :)
These leather seats in the second class are nice! Overall, these IC2s look much better than the other controversial ones.
Also, looking forward to see your other Czech/Slovak reviews! Especially the CD Pendolino. 😁
Thanks for your comment. I love Czechia and Slovakia. Look forward to sharing the videos!
13:11 The strange noise you're hearing every twelve sounds like a part of the train's pressure tight system. That bang usually comes when entering a tunnel at high speed and it's likely a valve that shuts to prevent discomfort on the ears, perhaps the system is just glitching or adjusting to pressure changes :)
Uhm…the ICE T has a maximum speed of 230km/h not 225km/h…
Good video on the intercity train interior look very modern. In terms of the machine only accepting cash honestly it should accept both but on a personal level I prefer cash as it prevents me from overspending other than that I like that Germany has loads of regional train operators gives some variety
I'm certainly more of a card person myself. ;)
@@SuperalbsTravels cool
great video
Thanks, glad you enjoyed. :)
The same one is in Serbia... but... speed is higer. What can we say... same one Stadler.
Yes, I really look forward to trying that!
Surprisingly the detour via the new Berlin airport extends travel time by half an hour - the Euro City from Prague via Dresden and Berlin to Hamburg only takes 1 hour and 47 minutes.
Wow, quite the time penalty then!
my favourite Rail network Britain where I am from could take lessons on how to run a system for the public and not one for shareholders
When you review a train please show a closeup of the platform to train gap as there is so much improvement going on in train entrances that this is of great interest.
That's a good shout! I will try and pay more attention to this in the future. 😃
The ICE-T originates from Wiesbaden Hbf Flughafen Frankfurt Bebra Gerstungen Erfurt then Leipzig Hbf. Last stops before Dresden Hbf are Riesa and Dresden Neustadt on the ICE-T. If your IC2 isn't in service a DB BR101 will run Warnemünde Berlin Elsterwerda Großenhain Berliner Bahnhof Dresden Neustadt Dresden Hbf. The reason why I knew Parts of the route it has to do with Dresden Hbf found on Dovetail Games train simulator world 2 Riesa-Dresden route. To the right of the Intercity ICE Trains freight and Regional tracks are S-Bahn tracks. In terms of Catering services IC DB BR101> IC2 since the DB BR101 Intercity if running Warnemünde Dresden has a dedicated Wrmz Restaurant Carriage or Interregio Restaurant carriage.
Wow this video has done very well 🙂
Not bad, thanks for noticing. 🥰
I was hoping someone in the comments section would know what that banging sound was. I've heard something similar on the old Stansted Express in England but I think that was the pantograph being dropped and raised and was a lot less intermittent. Gorgeous interior on this train, I wouldn't want it changed.
It's very strange, happened routinely every few seconds, but sometimes would go away...
And yeah, the interior does look very nice! A little legroom would be a great addition though...
@@SuperalbsTravels, could the seat pad in 2nd class be extended separately and independently from the seat back or were they only adjustable together?
@@outdoorolli5754 They move as one I'm afraid! ☹️
@@SuperalbsTravels that's "advance" by Deutsche Bahn. It's the same in 2nd class ICE4 and the newly refurbished ICE3.:-(
Those doubledecker IC-trains are originally made for regional traffic, hence the small legroom. And as for Dresden main station one can see that the size and layout of the station reflects the time before WWII when Dresden was more important and busy as it is today (despite being the Capital of Saxony). In Leipzig - a major city near Dresden - the situation is similar. Its main station is even bigger than that of Frankfurt/M. but much less busy.
Dresden and Leipzig Central stayed busy after WWII, because trains were the main means of passenger transport in the GDR until it's fall. Late in the 90s people switched to cars and many moved to the West, so these stations only today seem to be inadequately large. But as public transport is promoted to have a comeback in the next years, one should be glad, that at least some of the central stations seem to have the capacity to do more business - unlike Colone, Hamburg and Hannover for example.
The overhead racks seemed large enough for a small bag, if poised sideways. Where would larger luggage be stored? By the way, I love the cafe style seating. It enables me to write my many post cards from my various journeys, while the train is in motion, thus not wasting a minute. Thank you for the tip about the vending machines only accepting cash. That helps to plan the journey better. I'll need to get edible supplies before leaving the station. I take the same journey in April..Dresden to Berlin Hauptbahnhof.
I traveled last week this route. In the morningthe train arrived at Berlin Hbf with a 30 ish minute delay. And I arrived back at Berlinn Hbf with a 50 minute delay due to a defective train ahead of us. I went first class myself and I loved it.
The Kiss IC2 is a really good product as it wasn't configurated by DB and doesn't use DB seats ot style.
All that you need to know about the ironing boards in ICE4 and the soggy pillows on ICE3
10:00 "[Only accepting cash] seems very strange for a train introduced in 2020" Well, it's a _German_ train in 2020, so.....
"the vending machine only accepts cash" - welcome to Germany! :-)
I took the exact same route to the exact locations on the exact same units and reviewed them 3 months ago!
Ooh haha, maybe even the same unit! What did you think of these then?
@@SuperalbsTravels Very nice units!
Indeed! Have you travelled on any other German trains?
@@SuperalbsTravels Yes the ICE T and the ICE 1 were very good and so were the Cologne and Dresden S-Bahn. There are some EuroCity trains in Berlin that go to Warsaw. Nice but some carriages need upgrading
@@transporttechnologykent5829 Ah, fair enough! It's a lovely place with a great railway. 😃🇩🇪
I love rail travel in Germany and whenever I get the chance to get to travel to Germany I always get the 5or7 day regional ticket which normally includes the tram as well
13:20 oof man that would be scary as hell. similar noises could be heared before a ICE Train derailed in Eschede 1998
Would love more German videos! Excellent video😁
Oh you bet there's more to come. Filmed almost every ICE type, and a bit of IC too, as well as something special to come soon hopefully.
Today's upcoming video is from Germany too. 😁
Nice vid from my home town... 8) Btw: If you get the chance take a ride on an ICE Sprinter from Berlin to Munich, or from Frankfurt/Main to Cologne. Running impressively smooth and quiet at 300km/h (186mph) there.
Thank you very much, glad you enjoyed it. :)
I have recently recorded a few more videos from Germany, including ICE 1 to ICE 4, the TWINDEXX IC2, and the Metropolitan. There's also a few more I have recorded previously.
Hoep you're looking forward to them. :D
These are beautiful cars.
They are certainly smart looking things. 😁
How do you "easily fix" the lounge seating and leg room?
Ce train est magnifique, j'adore son design intérieur et extérieur, la gare aussi est très belle, merci pour cette vidéo.
Merci! 😃
Still no answers about the loud intermittent bang, in the comments
hard seats? A Stadler standard, apparently. Pity.
Sick vid bro 🤟🏻
OMG! 😱
How did you find this video? Are you a hacker? 😭
@@SuperalbsTravels only for your top quality vids...they don't call you SUPERalbs for nothing!
@@NonstopEurotrip Lovely fans. 🙂
but look the vending machine sells beer!
wasnt dresden-neustadt on the german-swiss border?
Since you have asked, would love to see a video on the German version of the hot, shaking, narrow, unreliable yet uncomfortable, baggageroomless mess that is the Bombardier Twindexx. I find it fascinating how in Switzerland they found ways to break the most elementar things about trains that have worked for decades if not centuries. Makes one really value what we have had in the EW IV, especially on longer trips. Thank you for your videos!
I've actually just recorded one of these recently, look forward to producing it for you in the future. :)
Yes I wanna see a vid on the Bombardier intercity!
I'll see what I can do! :)
In 1976 I rode the same route, behind steam, in a GDR express train that carried a full diner. A lot of change since then.
I hope Caltrain has stadler kiss trainsets
I just last year prepandemic wondered about CFLs KISS Set they run between Dusseldorf and Luxemburg as IC 5107/5106it was actually a journey I would like to undertake (if train travel gets viable again)... But I have real doubts on the KISS comfort...
May anyone know where transformers and hvac equipments installed at? almost all underslung space assigned for lower desk which is usually assigned for underslung equipments like hvac.
Do they have a conductor in this train?
Thanks for the video ,I can travel Europe with out leaving my sofa.Just aswell at the moment because i would get a fine.When did you make this journey and how tall are you because I thought the leg room didn't look to bad.I liked the lighting and the lack of distractions it had a calm feel except for that strange noise which was a bit disconcerting.Its good you give information,views of the station and the river Elbe but i find it difficult to watch the video and read the text when theres a lot of it.I don't know what other people think?
NO BOARD BISTRO !!!
that legroom is really good... better than the Thalys or the Eurostar. We have a similar legroom on our double decker IC's in the Netherlands. No one complains about legroom even the 4 hour journey from Den Haag to Groningen.
I think this KISS set is the first time I've seen a train carrying 7 digits
Happens quite a lot, particularly in Austria, Croatia, and some other Balkan countries. 👍
that is actually because DB retained Westbahns numbering... when they integrated the Westbahn KISS2 trains... Yes you are right DB numbers arent usally numbers that start with a 4 digit block
I saw one of these units working a train at about 1900 from Wien Hbf to Warnemunde. I could not this of a more horrible journey to use such a train for most / all of the journey and the train left Wien Hbf with quite a few people standing!! Ewwwww…
Yeah, they run overnight to reach the depot. It's not really for passengers primarily, but they still run it as a service. Not my idea of fun!
@@SuperalbsTravels from the number of folks waiting at Wien Hbf to board it looked like the train would be full. Just horrible as I don’t think folks were going short distances
well done presentation...with enough time to read your adept comments...😃😃
I like the style of these trains. I am planning my trips for 2021. If you plan to visit the US to do trains. Could you consider doing the Surfliner train and give feedback on a video? I heard they have new trains unless its just the locomotives and they run from San Diego to Los Angeles and then onto San Luis Obispo. There is also the Metrolink and Coaster trains as well mate.
Unfortunately USA isn't quite accessible right now, but I will go when I can! :)
Thanks for the comment.
Caltrains has these exact trainsets in testing. Looking forwards to riding these when they're put into revenue service!
bruh
why they use a traxx instead of the engine car in the ic2?¿
What do you mean?
the Cafe looks nice...i wish it had a hot soup vending shop
Nowadays (from November 20) instead of Schoenefeld (now named Terminal5 of BER) the train stops and turns at BER Terminal 1&2. It enters the airport tunnel from the west and starts in the same direction again (Reference e.g: ua-cam.com/video/pB1tTO8u2WE/v-deo.html)So most probalby it did it on your trip in October in Schoenefeld. The IC/s should be speedy trains. So my question is, how long did it take to change from the top of the train to the end, to change the direction, so relatively short before the stops downtown in Berlin (SouthCross and Main station...). The impact on the continuation to Rostock(Warnemuende) might be less important... Thanks!
That's convenient. This trip was in July, so not long after these were introduced.
Good it's being sped up now. 👍
Nice Video, Beautiful train and I love the scenery.
This is only accepting cash?
Welcome in Germany. (This Train was brought and modified before Corona)
You’ll find many places which accept your cash, only!
Haha, sounds right. :)
Brand new just like a double decker bus in Melbourne Australia (most buses here are single decker so it’s a big deal), this one has a sticker saying built in Melbourne for Melbourne but it was built for Sydney but it didn’t meet regulations so ended up being used in Melbourne
Wait we have a double decker bus? Is this for regular bus services, Vline coach or SkyBus?
Hello! I skipped over the first few minutes since I hope to visit Dresden sometime in the next few years and didn't want to spoil the Hbf viewing. I'll take your word for it that the station is great. Are double-decker intercity trains becoming more common in central Europe or DE in particular?
(I have been through Dresden-Neustadt Bf before - that was where I woke up on New Year's Day one time after sleeping all the way from Frankfurt a. M., from which I left just before the turn of the year, riding the rails on break from Uni. Finally got off that train at Görlitz.)
They have had Double Deckers at least since the 90s, but they are getting more common now I believe.
This is a modern train and it is very fast.
Quite fast!
Dass war ein sehr schönes Video
What really strikes me as odd is that German intercity trains always also stop at the weirdest small stations. Surely some stations are explainable, there might be an airport nearby, a big event or a city that just doesn't connect to the line but often this doesn't seem the case. Do local governments lobby to have these intercity connections?
I guess it is because the true fastest trains are the ICE, so these can pick up at some less major (but still moderately significant) stations?
That is a very nice train the leather seats are really nice some nice views as well thanks for the ride 😀👍
I don't like the trains, in Summer the Leather is not very comfortable
Ah, do they get too hot? :/
What's the highest speed of this train?
Top speed is 200km/h (125mph).
@@SuperalbsTravels Nice man.
@@SuperalbsTravels I'm a german boy. You don't need to wrote the speed in mph. But you can't know it before
Bench seating on the ends of the upper floor is unavoidable because the door is right below and its drive needs some space that would prevent putting regular window seats there. These benches aren't reserved, but at times of high demand I'm sure they are used by passengers who haven't booked a seat. They also offer a way for groups to come together.
I like the little brochure specifically for that line. But they should modify the snack and drink machines to accept credit cards.
The lounge seats, as you call them, are a neat idea. A regional train like this needs to have a few seats at tables for eating and drinking. Look at Amtrak's regional traons with cafe lounge cars for food and beverage service.
I didn't think of that, but you're right!
great video! when was it recorded?
I was just wondering, because noone wears a mask... must been longer ago...
During corona
This was in July 2020.
Very nice train. I don't like leather seats though, I find they make me sweat
Fair enough! Especially on a sunny day...
Hey, where did you put your luggage?
I always travel light, so it went down by my feet. :)
@@SuperalbsTravels Thanks! What if have a 20kg+ luggage? where should we put it?
Awesome video !
Superalbs Travels
Cash only is normal in Germany
Tell me about it! 😅
@@SuperalbsTravels Well, in Germany You say „Nur bares ist wahres“ which means „Only cash is the real deal“ I think that summarizes it pretty well. People want to keep track of their purchases, and that is best done if you give away something. You will spend more money if you just have a plastic card that you swipe, or put in a snack machine and pull back out, you just don’t feel like you are loosing, or giving away something. There was a survey that showed 80% of Germans only use credit cards foronline shopping, and barely take them outside, and for the normal Debit cards, they are just used if there isn‘t enough cash in your wallet, or if you want to get cash form the ATM.
always carry cash....just saying lol even in 2020
Lesson learned... ;)
And im from germany and from dresden 🥰🥰 this is a cool Video
Awesome, thanks! :)
What do you think of these trains, do you use them often?
ICE Ts are capable of 230 km/h...
Sorry my bad, almost had it! 😬
Klasse sehr schön Gruß Micha und Abo hast Du
Danke schön. 😌
Great video - Fantastic
Danke
Glad you enjoyed. :)
A movie of a controversial train? YES please! :D
Sure, I'll try and release it soon for you. :)
@@SuperalbsTravels That would be great, thanks!
Very good video!
Thank you very much! 😉
Great work
Thanks. :)
Its intresting to see this train as an IC. Here in Switzerland there are only S-Bahn Trains that are Kiss trains.
In England they use Stadler FLIRT for long distance as well, here in the Netherlands they are only used for fast paced, sprinter operations.
In Lombardy,Italy and Canton Ticino,in Switzerland,Flirts are used for cross-border regional services
Yeah, they are intended for S-bahn trains (it's in the name), but this one is very well kitted out for longer-distance trips.
Great video!
Thank you, glad you liked it. :)
i got this recommended wtf
Good you should, it's a lovely video! 😃
We should stop using Stadler trains because they behave very inappropriately. First FLIRT then KISS.😑😑🙄🙄
It's a pity that they didn't name the EC250 Giruno "SEX" :D (could have been an acronym of "Super Express"). Instead, they named it SMILE.
Next thing you know, we'll be riding BANG units.
@@markoobid2005 That's even weird😫First FLIRT, then KISS, then SMILE. The combination in the same order is weird. Good thing they didn't name it SEX, otherwise...😨
I do wonder what's next for the Stadler product line! 🤭
@@rrajdippawskar9853 what exactly is wrong with it? It's funny actually.
Do that
Hello, what would you like me to do?