The problem doesn't just lie with item numbers. Practically every form of Indian media depicts women as rewards to be distributed to men. We need to rewrite women as people with personalities, opinions, strengths and flaws to change the perspective.
This is so normalized in our movies that the we don't even notice the apparent objectification. What's even worse is especially kids dancing to these songs without knowing the meaning.
@@tanayaparadkar9088 Yes parents do play a major role. But when the objectification is done in mainstream cinema and passed off as comedy, it just becomes normal.
@@Veenasri_jillella toh inti samjh honi chahiye ki woh movie hai aur yeh real life... Some movies are of entertainment and most of the movies give social message too in underlying comedy.... Even in Stree 2 there were a lot of messages for men... Pr logo ko samjh aaye toh.
@@saikat93ify wow from when Kids started doing vulgar steps.. Your mind is sick. You didn't even leave a child. Objectfying woman continues from being kids.. 😶. People forget that manners are taught at home. What you see, that's what you become.
It's crazy.... They only look at india cinema when Hollywood does far worse to promote such thing in the name of art... Entire rap culture of America is promoting drugs, gangster culture, gun culture and abusive behavior being cool... India has less rape than usa.. Don't look at numbers look at percentage based on population and you'll see how better India is... Here's official world population review top 10 countries rank based on rapes.. Rape Statistics by Country Country Per 100k Grenada 153.28 Sweden88.98 Eswatini76.07 Panama75.13 Iceland56.98 United Kingdom52.99 France52.56 Namibia47.74 Saint Kitts and Nevis46.21 Norway45.73 Yes, rape is bad but remember even usa, Japan, Russia and has more rapes than India based on these rankings... Yes, India needs to do even better but stop making India the worst place to be in...
This is not manners but teaching boys to respect girls and girls to be independent and strong. The problem however is not so simple and easy for simply parents to handle. If the vast majority of the Indian society is hugely influenced by Indian movies and many even consider actors equivalent to God or more. In such a society movies play a very strong role is brainwashing the mass and only a lucky few escape this flow and lead a normal life. During past years there was a choice, we had plenty of songs which had beautiful lyrics and incredible tunes. For example music directors like Salil chowdary, and singers like our legendary Lataji released plenty of songs which were decent with beautiful lyrics. Nowadays it’s 99% trash music with trash lyrics which are vulgar and disgusting. Not easy for parents these days to keep track of what their kids do and social media has only made things even more difficult. Only government can change things by setting new rules in Indian cinema world.
Howmuch you teach at home external environment, society and company we keep also have impact on us. If we normalize eve teasing in movies and objectifying women then boys will learn that and feel its a normal thing. Check the case in Australian court where an indian man was able to go free when he proved that Teasing a women is part of Indian culture and he learnt it from the movies.
Well after watching unlimited movies starting at the age of 6 years until 25 or even more watching it again will have more impact in his developmental years or once twice Ramayana done in a year what you watch what you eat what you practice become what is your personality so yes tv Bollywood content that our generation watch is part of their their personality and today we don't have even a single role model to look since 1947 yes Bollywood and their actor and actress are nothing more then rich costly prostitutes which last three generations watched and still watching and today generation have no idea why they are sad.
@@prashant2187 at six years of age who starts watching unlimited movies.... Where are the parents ? Doesn't the child go to school ? What are parents teaching their child have you asked someone ?
You’re absolutely right. Without vulgarity and violence there are hardly any Bollywoody movies . Sadly in the name of entertainment and creativity Bollywood has crossed the limit . As a family Entertainment people stop watching movies.
The state that director comes from has the highest women workforce participation rates and low density and fertility rates and far far safer than most indian states . See how that works. There is no linear correlation with these things . It is those regional lawless jungle raj cultures that is the problem
As a kid I used to think these songs are to praise women's beauty, how every boys are mesmerized by her I didn't realize those songs are for objectifying women😢
That's a very stupid thing sorry. Even as a child I was creeped out by 100 men lusting after 1 girl. As a woman I would be creeped out if men ever did that to me in real life. We're not pornographic actresses, we're regular girls and one of our biggest nightmares is getting lusted on by 100 men or sexually approached for by two or more guys 🤮🤮🤮
Salute to your efforts...hope people understand how dumb, unnecessary ,cruel and uncivilized item songs and overall perspective of society on women is..but i just feel that u cudve said it orally and not put images from the item songs :(
You do have a point about the images. We did give it a thought while making the video and felt that the discourse would be difficult without artefacts in front. There’s a group who doesn’t need such artefacts and there’s others who would ignore/shrug off any artefacts. And there’s a 3rd group (perhaps a spectrum) needing hand holding, and we feel images help them a bit more. Like it or not a post mortem splits blood. But again we do get your point and thanks for sharing the thoughts
Jo ig pe comment karte h n ki india is not for beginners and stuff..india is actually for beginners coz jaise chote baccho ko jo dikhate h vo vaise karte h, unko sahi galt samajh nhi ata that is exactly Indian audience. Unko jo movie me dikhate h vo sahi lagta h aur usko copy karne ka try karte h...and indian cinema and songs me dikhate hi galat h.
If we keep promoting objectification of women in all spheres of so-called "art" or media, it will have ghastly and absolutely hellish consequences. What passes for "item song" these days would have been called soft p*rn a couple of decades ago. Also, we should recognize that regional cinema is far worse than Bollywood. For example, can you imagine watching a Bhojpuri movie with your family?
@@filmkopathask the pious women to not sell in names of item songs!! A sex worker is in bad situation due to situation And the film industry is in the position to capitalise on women and women openly agree because of fame. And the worst are the A grade hypocrite heroine and sleezy director actors.
You have hit the nail on the head. As long as people in India do not protest against this blatant objectification of women, the crimes will continue. Moreover, bad parenting is also a big factor in shaping the minds of how men perceive women.
This is so true...and when people from the film industry talk about feminism, being strong, standing up for oneself, etc., it doesn't make sense because they can afford to have multiple bodyguards around wherever they go but the entire women population can't!! They will be well protected even after portraying any level of vulgar content but the womenfolk in general will be targeted.....😥Thank you for raising this very important factor which has a major influence on the masses..
I totally second your views. We can't preach of women empowerment and at the same time condition the next generation by item numbers. Very well analysed.
Nothing wrong with items songs and porn, but we Indians have very poor education. We need to completely revolutionize our education system. Education should be the revolution. Education should be affordable and fun.
Well let’s reverse the trend.. a nude man dancing amongst a bunch of 40+ desperate drooling women, harassing him and humiliating him. Lol.. Come on.. it’s not porn. Porn is porn and that is still far better than trying to fake porn. And in what way education should be changed? In what way making education “fun and affordable” will change a maniacs mentality. Please elaborate. Let’s remember that the vast majority of these goons are coming from educated backgrounds sitting in high positions, harassing women. India cinema “should” change. Let’s not try to hide facts. In other countries maybe education could be the key but in india, movie stars are considered equivalent to God or more. Here whatever is depicted by movie stars will be taken as inspiration by the vast majority of Indians.
It's a mentality not a movie. We also have movies where they show women are goddess but this corrupt mindset skips those movies because cultures you do not learn from movies but at home specially what your mother teaches you. Only india they show this kind of thing no but only india people grow up this kind mentality which is true but ofcourse not all are the same . there are good guys out there more than those bad ones.
Like fr i was watching munjiya but one thing that was really unnecessary was why even there is a need of taras ni aya song like idk that movie didn't need that
I was thinking about it yesterday and it was very funny to me that feminist lyrics are being incorporated in Bollywood item songs,the epitome of objectifying females. Only in India for sure.
It is really true. Kids learn to smoke, chew gutka becos the celebrity do it.in ads or film. Tv is responsible. Girls use fair and lovely becos of tv ads.
Finally someone is daring to tell the truth. it's amazing Indian parents are crazy to send their kids in those So called Dance reality shows. Indian viewers don't like to watch excellent movies like ''Khosla Ka Ghosla'' but enjoy disgusting movies like Laadla, Mohra.....
Agar dekhne wale thode mature hote aur ghar me females ki respect karna sikhe hote tab it would have been somewhat ok of item songs but log gana sunte hai aur jaise songs.aur movies me derogatory language use hoti hai ,women ko objectify kiya jata , violence use kiya jata hai wahi sab log apni actual life me bhi karne lagte hai unko reality aur cinema me difference hi nahi pata. Purani generation to haath se gayi wo bigde hai to bigde hi rahenge new generation bhi old generation se bura hi influence le rahi hai , aur aag me ghee dalne ke liye new generation ke paas unlimited and unsupervised internet access hai jaha porn ki kami nahi hai, youtubers bhi content ke naam par 3rd class language use karte hai aur bacche aisi language use kar ke apne aap ko cool sigma Alpha male na jaane kya kya samajhte hai
Problem is that hypocrisy and contradiction surpasses everything. The actor who lip synced Main toh tanduri murgi ho yaar ghatkale mujhe alcohol se also stand with the placard after KAthua rape case I am Hindusthan and I am ashamed. Thing is they will do anything if they are paid well. From protest to item number to guthka ads.
The question is rhetorical. Of course, objectification is rampant in item songs and other ways. It is sometimes shocking to me that most women happily listen to such songs.
Personally, as a woman myself who listens to some songs like these (for example sheila ki jawani, chammak challo, jalebi bai to name a few), I think the problem isn’t the entire song per se, it’s the fact that they have derogatory lyrics (and insinuate sexual themes) and all this is combined with the music videos which objectify the female body for the male gaze. Me liking those songs doesn’t mean that I enjoy the lyrics or the message it gives, it’s usually the catchy melody that I like. Sometimes I cringe out loud when I hear some lyrics, and the amount of men ogling the women in the music videos do make me uncomfortable, but for the most part it’s usually the catchy tune that gets stuck in my head. I may be wrong but I do think that these songs are made with the intention of being “catchy”.
Well , it’s easier to blame the director and producer but how about those actresses who for money don’t mind exposing their bodies. They are shameless creatures.
@@Junu-l6vyou speak as if they have a choice lol as if they won’t get ostracised from film roles and establishing their career and if not them some when else will do it . That’s how established systems like these work in order to change them we need to reform the people at the top who make this possible
@@Fantomstranger ..well, I agree but my point is if the artists start rejecting those kinds of dresses to wear ( collectively ) I am sure film makers will be force not to use artists as a commodity. In Islamic countries specially African and south Asian Muslim Community women’s are not allowed to expose their bodies..but still they have rape or molestation incidents( in fact uninformed more ) but that doesn’t mean that vulgarity of Indian movie has no impact on people’s mindset.
Just watch Sanaea bubber’s UA-cam channel to see what the vast majority of new Indian movie songs lyrics actually mean. I never thought they could stoop so low. It’s not just se%ual content but pure vulgarity. Earlier on it was the chammak challo stuff.. to those chasing women around trees. That moved on to Choli ka peeche kya hai.. cough cough.. to now lyrics which I am even ashamed to jot down here. It’s obvious that these are triggers to that frustrated bunch who will see women only as se%ual object.
What was wrong with chuni on first that he has suggested...it signify that it's women who have to restricts herself because men cannot control their own sin ful behaviour. And her boyfriend is telling that the same boyfriend who himself has no moral character of his own ...so woman being told to cover her own body for the man by the man ...isn't that wrong ..just tell men to take out their eye ball if they cannot control it
Songs are in Hindi, bhojpuri, etc but the video is made in English. This is not helping anybody except the people who already agree with your message. This kind of content made only in English further divides people.
I don't think it divides people, but yes, it's preaching to the converted. It needs to be sub-titled or dubbed into all Indian languages. It's sure to get resonance & recognition, at least amongst women
Storyline is about revenge love singing All this is to confusing the ordinance. What really get the some people is violence and gun's used in movies. So the process of copycat recipe is out for everyone to use it. So tell how to enjoy your movie when is full of unrealistic expectations for the world 🙏😎😠
These are superficial factors , there are societies who have never seen these movies yet R@pe is prevalent weapon to be used for diff motives, and there are other societies where you could access the mosr absurd and violent Corn related to women which u cant fathom yet u would not find violence against women in any measure. India is in a state of flux currently , diff social starta of be financially or socially , a mindset fully librated and a mindset who want women under a veil exist in same society, add the poverty over this mindset, add the judicial system and police who dont give u justice, add to it the post R@pe shaming by society which make it a psychologically difficulty crime for the victim , this crime happens is very advanced country too and even more on per capita basis the issue here we dont get justice , why becoz the political setup from top to bottom is concentrated and patronage base , the person on the top excercise his power vis these rookie and they do corruption and crime under this structure , all of them forn their smsll power ciricle within the big umbrella, and one protect the other the top protect the bottom becox if one get expose all will fall. No matter what u or i say these are structure problem no one want to correct becoz every one love uncheck power without any accountability , even judiciary dont want accountability , few families appointing themselves on top seat and if u question it contempt
The worst is when this actor and actress come out and say women empowerment shouting out their lungs. May be south or north. Moral compass towards society is zero in them. Women empowerment starts with your profession what are you portraying yourself.
Aren’t those actresses have some responsibility for the society where they are making money? Not only movie makers but actresses who perform those vulgar dances are to be blame too . Most of the people because of vulgarity and violence stopped watching Bollywood movies. We can’t control the irresponsible Movie industry but we can control our families .
Many actress refuse to do items songs. Kangana turn down many item songs. The actres from sirf tum leave the industry becos of it. Only yah raj. Film is romantic not skin show. Along with autosh from lagaan such film. Is must
And what about Bhojpuri songs? Doesn't someone in some position of authority like our judiciary, feel offended and violated by these vulgar song dance sequences? Can't they take suo moto notice of these "creativity" by the film world?
And the male directors? And actors that say yes to it? And the public that enjoys it so much? And marriages that use these songs? And the clubs that use these songs?😂😂😂😂😂😂 Unn sab ko bhi call karo bhai😂😂😂😂😂
Many years ago a aunt of mine told me that Eve teasing was taught by Bollywood to the society. No wonder society is now suffering for not stopping that in the first place. Every crime start in a innocent manner. Rape provocation started with the sensual songs and eve teasing.
@@ChetanaN-yi2hw all over the world includes India. Item songs or orn excites people but 99% of them never turn into criminals. I think this is pretty good evidence that these things have almost zero contribution. Biggest contributor is one's surrounding environment.
@@ChetanaN-yi2hw in my opinion Biggest contributor is one's surrounding environment, certain areas have more incidents than others. Ofc law enforcement plays a role but it stops those who can be criminals in an unrestrained environment. It's not required in places where society is good natured.
@@ChetanaN-yi2hw you are not paying attention. My comment is about effect of orn or item songs. Just from your own experience you can tell how many people you know watch these and how many of them have turned into some criminals. I am sure the numbers will show you that these things do not play any major role, if they did majority of your friends should be criminals by now, cause majority of them watch it.
@@ChetanaN-yi2hw and your friends don't? The ratio will be millions to one. You are using example of one while ignoring example of millions who do watch and yet haven't committed any crime.
@@ChetanaN-yi2hw on sewu.isa.ion part. Let me ask a question can you swxualise an unattractive person? A woman to a homo man or vice versa? Sw"lisation is just taking advantage of your already existing desires. They can only use young good looking people(majority). Can you swxualise a tree? May be for a small minority. So attraction is a pre-existing tendency. It doesn't require media to develop. Studies done on such cases found majority of victim of age group 15-30 and culprits too of 15-25. Both homo and hetero find people of this age group attractive whether someone does swxualise or doesn't. Even if you swxualise a cartoon it has to have certain type of appearance, what I m trying to say is this attraction is not dependent on swxualisation of women but it's the other way around. Hardly any item song does it to a 70 year old why? Because it doesn't work.
Can you share any data, evidence or study to prove this point? America has its own corn industry, by this logic it must also contribute to R cases in America? I believe had it been true they would have taken some action against it. What you're saying seems true to a layman but needs authentic evidence to come to a concrete conclusion. This is like saying playing video games make children violent.
Unfortunately, our gods have set up wrong examples, which get transferred to masses via religious leaders and kathavachaks! Main three deities, king of devs Indra and major rishis all have indulged in such or similar acts which would be punishable under any modern law as rape or sexualpredation. Please check stories ( read actual description from original books) Brahma saraswati, vishnu vrinda, Mahesh mohini, Indra......( how many should I mention) , rishi parashar matshyagandha etc etc!!
Zeus was rapists but it doesn't affect greeks similarly all these gods you are mentioning hardly have that impact on masses ....because nobody reading or listening them but nowadays it's movies and social media that have taken over the story telling
Dude if you check religion properly, whenver a women was harmed, the men have been punished. Even Indra ws cursed and banished for 100yrs, same with ravan and kauravas. But today the men are not punished tht is the problem, even hatras rapists were released as police failed to collect evidence. Our laws are pathetic.
Your opinion is pretty shallow, brother. All religions older than 1000 years are a product of their time. You can't use them to blame or justify horrible things happening in present times.
stop demonising " bollywood" for engagement, are these dance numbers only in bollywood, south industries and bengali films never had thiese? and why refer women dance numbers as "item'' number,first qustion the naming of such words
Correction, The clothes also play a important role. We need to Firstly respect our own body. Think about it, why do we go to Temples and Mosque and Churches and Gurudwaras with clothings, why don't we show our bodies there? Its because of Respect to God. We need to understand, that if you display your money and keep the house door open, the Robbers will Rob. You can't expect a Robber not to Rob, when you display your money, and keep your house unlocked.
I was badly touched by some guy when I was in temple with my family, it was too during navaratri, also I was just 15 at that time and I was fully covered, maybe I did something to encourage him to touch me , right???????????
@@ashley8744 Here is your mentality problem. Read my comment properly first. Learn to Respect your own body. You do the right things, even after that, if it happens, you know you are in the right, and it's the other person fault. Then you complain to God, and he will be punished. Don't cry out foul, it you are not willing to do the right thing. The problem with the society, today is My Body, My Choice, but are not willing to take up their own responsibilities. If our parents said, my Body, My Choice, we would not he born. Stop objectifying of your own body or anyone else's body.
Certainly there is no "rape culture" in India. If that is the case then why is it criminalised? A huge number of rapes happen in America too. Does anyone ever say America has a rape culture?
You have talked about lower caste but have not talked about some religions who consider women as their slave because their god said this according to their holy book. Kyon dar lagta hai?
@@VivekKumar-zb2sx The only joke here is you. You are misinformed of the religion with your prejudices but over-confident with your bold, false statements.
Reel life is not the one to be blamed, reel life is the image of real life... Hypocrisy of hindustan, by mainly one, let it be, ab kuch bhi kahenhe toh vibad ho jayega, aplog baas mombatti aur agarbatti leke protest kiye jao, aur kanoon mashal leke samman kiye jaye.
The problem doesn't just lie with item numbers. Practically every form of Indian media depicts women as rewards to be distributed to men. We need to rewrite women as people with personalities, opinions, strengths and flaws to change the perspective.
First we need to rewrite women as HUMANS!!
This is so normalized in our movies that the we don't even notice the apparent objectification. What's even worse is especially kids dancing to these songs without knowing the meaning.
@@Veenasri_jillella don't you think parents play a major role here....... Ghar mein ky sikhate hai wohi dikhta hai
@@tanayaparadkar9088 Yes parents do play a major role. But when the objectification is done in mainstream cinema and passed off as comedy, it just becomes normal.
@@Veenasri_jillella toh inti samjh honi chahiye ki woh movie hai aur yeh real life... Some movies are of entertainment and most of the movies give social message too in underlying comedy.... Even in Stree 2 there were a lot of messages for men... Pr logo ko samjh aaye toh.
I get really shocked to see small kids dancing to item songs in dance competitions and doing vulgar steps without even knowing
@@saikat93ify wow from when Kids started doing vulgar steps.. Your mind is sick. You didn't even leave a child. Objectfying woman continues from being kids.. 😶. People forget that manners are taught at home. What you see, that's what you become.
People forget that manners are taught at home...
It's crazy.... They only look at india cinema when Hollywood does far worse to promote such thing in the name of art...
Entire rap culture of America is promoting drugs, gangster culture, gun culture and abusive behavior being cool...
India has less rape than usa.. Don't look at numbers look at percentage based on population and you'll see how better India is...
Here's official world population review top 10 countries rank based on rapes..
Rape Statistics by Country
Country Per 100k
Grenada 153.28
Sweden88.98
Eswatini76.07
Panama75.13
Iceland56.98
United Kingdom52.99
France52.56
Namibia47.74
Saint Kitts and Nevis46.21
Norway45.73
Yes, rape is bad but remember even usa, Japan, Russia and has more rapes than India based on these rankings...
Yes, India needs to do even better but stop making India the worst place to be in...
This is not manners but teaching boys to respect girls and girls to be independent and strong. The problem however is not so simple and easy for simply parents to handle. If the vast majority of the Indian society is hugely influenced by Indian movies and many even consider actors equivalent to God or more. In such a society movies play a very strong role is brainwashing the mass and only a lucky few escape this flow and lead a normal life. During past years there was a choice, we had plenty of songs which had beautiful lyrics and incredible tunes. For example music directors like Salil chowdary, and singers like our legendary Lataji released plenty of songs which were decent with beautiful lyrics. Nowadays it’s 99% trash music with trash lyrics which are vulgar and disgusting. Not easy for parents these days to keep track of what their kids do and social media has only made things even more difficult. Only government can change things by setting new rules in Indian cinema world.
Howmuch you teach at home external environment, society and company we keep also have impact on us. If we normalize eve teasing in movies and objectifying women then boys will learn that and feel its a normal thing. Check the case in Australian court where an indian man was able to go free when he proved that Teasing a women is part of Indian culture and he learnt it from the movies.
Well after watching unlimited movies starting at the age of 6 years until 25 or even more watching it again will have more impact in his developmental years or once twice Ramayana done in a year what you watch what you eat what you practice become what is your personality so yes tv Bollywood content that our generation watch is part of their their personality and today we don't have even a single role model to look since 1947 yes Bollywood and their actor and actress are nothing more then rich costly prostitutes which last three generations watched and still watching and today generation have no idea why they are sad.
@@prashant2187 at six years of age who starts watching unlimited movies.... Where are the parents ? Doesn't the child go to school ? What are parents teaching their child have you asked someone ?
It is always one girl surrounded by at least 20 men in these songs. Also the camera angles on actresses body in some movies are just for the male gaze
You’re absolutely right. Without vulgarity and violence there are hardly any Bollywoody movies . Sadly in the name of entertainment and creativity Bollywood has crossed the limit . As a family Entertainment people stop watching movies.
Remember that despicable movie called Animal that turned out to be such a hit in India?
The state that director comes from has the highest women workforce participation rates and low density and fertility rates and far far safer than most indian states . See how that works. There is no linear correlation with these things . It is those regional lawless jungle raj cultures that is the problem
The latest item song from Stree 2 is a good example... the words of the song are actually to invite the male audience.
As a kid I used to think these songs are to praise women's beauty, how every boys are mesmerized by her I didn't realize those songs are for objectifying women😢
you speak for many..
Ladkiya bhi toh korean Korean chillate hai uska kya.....tum bhi sudhar jao
That's a very stupid thing sorry. Even as a child I was creeped out by 100 men lusting after 1 girl. As a woman I would be creeped out if men ever did that to me in real life. We're not pornographic actresses, we're regular girls and one of our biggest nightmares is getting lusted on by 100 men or sexually approached for by two or more guys 🤮🤮🤮
Amazing analysis. One of the best short videos I came across by filmkopath. Keep going!
Im so gald someone even brought this topic up. The name "item song" itself is a degradation.
Salute to your efforts...hope people understand how dumb, unnecessary ,cruel and uncivilized item songs and overall perspective of society on women is..but i just feel that u cudve said it orally and not put images from the item songs :(
You do have a point about the images. We did give it a thought while making the video and felt that the discourse would be difficult without artefacts in front. There’s a group who doesn’t need such artefacts and there’s others who would ignore/shrug off any artefacts. And there’s a 3rd group (perhaps a spectrum) needing hand holding, and we feel images help them a bit more. Like it or not a post mortem splits blood. But again we do get your point and thanks for sharing the thoughts
Jo ig pe comment karte h n ki india is not for beginners and stuff..india is actually for beginners coz jaise chote baccho ko jo dikhate h vo vaise karte h, unko sahi galt samajh nhi ata that is exactly Indian audience. Unko jo movie me dikhate h vo sahi lagta h aur usko copy karne ka try karte h...and indian cinema and songs me dikhate hi galat h.
Much needed discussion topic..
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@sauron2000000?
If we keep promoting objectification of women in all spheres of so-called "art" or media, it will have ghastly and absolutely hellish consequences. What passes for "item song" these days would have been called soft p*rn a couple of decades ago. Also, we should recognize that regional cinema is far worse than Bollywood. For example, can you imagine watching a Bhojpuri movie with your family?
true indeed!
Let us make Sherlock Holmes movies.
@@filmkopathask the pious women to not sell in names of item songs!!
A sex worker is in bad situation due to situation
And the film industry is in the position to capitalise on women and women openly agree because of fame.
And the worst are the A grade hypocrite heroine and sleezy director actors.
In Hollywood there r sex nd nude sceans what about that it's not films it's certain bastards mind. should bring up.them properly nd it will change
@@alhamdulillah826dekhne vale to tum ho..
This is really interesting as someone who has just got into Bollywood. Thank you for the thoughtful video
You have hit the nail on the head. As long as people in India do not protest against this blatant objectification of women, the crimes will continue. Moreover, bad parenting is also a big factor in shaping the minds of how men perceive women.
This is so true...and when people from the film industry talk about feminism, being strong, standing up for oneself, etc., it doesn't make sense because they can afford to have multiple bodyguards around wherever they go but the entire women population can't!! They will be well protected even after portraying any level of vulgar content but the womenfolk in general will be targeted.....😥Thank you for raising this very important factor which has a major influence on the masses..
I totally second your views. We can't preach of women empowerment and at the same time condition the next generation by item numbers.
Very well analysed.
Mahila, Jivan, Swatantra ❤❤❤
Well Said, Brother.👏👏
Sadly, even romantic songs in tollywood are worse than item songs of bollywood.
@@halle0 True😆😆
Bollywood and tollywood are responsible fuz they showed u have to go for those women who rejected u.
Nothing wrong with items songs and porn, but we Indians have very poor education. We need to completely revolutionize our education system. Education should be the revolution. Education should be affordable and fun.
Well let’s reverse the trend.. a nude man dancing amongst a bunch of 40+ desperate drooling women, harassing him and humiliating him. Lol.. Come on.. it’s not porn. Porn is porn and that is still far better than trying to fake porn. And in what way education should be changed? In what way making education “fun and affordable” will change a maniacs mentality. Please elaborate. Let’s remember that the vast majority of these goons are coming from educated backgrounds sitting in high positions, harassing women. India cinema “should” change. Let’s not try to hide facts. In other countries maybe education could be the key but in india, movie stars are considered equivalent to God or more. Here whatever is depicted by movie stars will be taken as inspiration by the vast majority of Indians.
Very good analysis..., heart touching...
Not all men, but Majority of men in India.. Thats why sezxuall crimes, misogyny, violence towards women are so common.
It's a mentality not a movie. We also have movies where they show women are goddess but this corrupt mindset skips those movies because cultures you do not learn from movies but at home specially what your mother teaches you. Only india they show this kind of thing no but only india people grow up this kind mentality which is true but ofcourse not all are the same . there are good guys out there more than those bad ones.
Like fr i was watching munjiya but one thing that was really unnecessary was why even there is a need of taras ni aya song like idk that movie didn't need that
A very interesting take indeed!!
I was thinking about it yesterday and it was very funny to me that feminist lyrics are being incorporated in Bollywood item songs,the epitome of objectifying females. Only in India for sure.
art imitates life and VICE VERSA.
It is really true. Kids learn to smoke, chew gutka becos the celebrity do it.in ads or film. Tv is responsible. Girls use fair and lovely becos of tv ads.
But men shows their body ane six packs too...yet women dont roam around making men sezxuallly unsafe
Finally someone is daring to tell the truth. it's amazing Indian parents are crazy to send their kids in those So called Dance reality shows. Indian viewers don't like to watch excellent movies like ''Khosla Ka Ghosla'' but enjoy disgusting movies like Laadla, Mohra.....
Agar dekhne wale thode mature hote aur ghar me females ki respect karna sikhe hote tab it would have been somewhat ok of item songs but log gana sunte hai aur jaise songs.aur movies me derogatory language use hoti hai ,women ko objectify kiya jata , violence use kiya jata hai wahi sab log apni actual life me bhi karne lagte hai unko reality aur cinema me difference hi nahi pata. Purani generation to haath se gayi wo bigde hai to bigde hi rahenge new generation bhi old generation se bura hi influence le rahi hai , aur aag me ghee dalne ke liye new generation ke paas unlimited and unsupervised internet access hai jaha porn ki kami nahi hai, youtubers bhi content ke naam par 3rd class language use karte hai aur bacche aisi language use kar ke apne aap ko cool sigma Alpha male na jaane kya kya samajhte hai
Nai tab bhi thik nai hota😂😂😂 men will just do madonna who’re complex😂😂😂😂
Problem is that hypocrisy and contradiction surpasses everything. The actor who lip synced Main toh tanduri murgi ho yaar ghatkale mujhe alcohol se also stand with the placard after KAthua rape case I am Hindusthan and I am ashamed. Thing is they will do anything if they are paid well. From protest to item number to guthka ads.
It totally resonated with my opinions...☘️
The question is rhetorical. Of course, objectification is rampant in item songs and other ways. It is sometimes shocking to me that most women happily listen to such songs.
Personally, as a woman myself who listens to some songs like these (for example sheila ki jawani, chammak challo, jalebi bai to name a few), I think the problem isn’t the entire song per se, it’s the fact that they have derogatory lyrics (and insinuate sexual themes) and all this is combined with the music videos which objectify the female body for the male gaze. Me liking those songs doesn’t mean that I enjoy the lyrics or the message it gives, it’s usually the catchy melody that I like. Sometimes I cringe out loud when I hear some lyrics, and the amount of men ogling the women in the music videos do make me uncomfortable, but for the most part it’s usually the catchy tune that gets stuck in my head. I may be wrong but I do think that these songs are made with the intention of being “catchy”.
Well , it’s easier to blame the director and producer but how about those actresses who for money don’t mind exposing their bodies. They are shameless creatures.
@@Junu-l6vyou speak as if they have a choice lol as if they won’t get ostracised from film roles and establishing their career and if not them some when else will do it . That’s how established systems like these work in order to change them we need to reform the people at the top who make this possible
@@Fantomstranger ..well, I agree but my point is if the artists start rejecting those kinds of dresses to wear ( collectively ) I am sure film makers will be force not to use artists as a commodity. In Islamic countries specially African and south Asian Muslim Community women’s are not allowed to expose their bodies..but still they have rape or molestation incidents( in fact uninformed more ) but that doesn’t mean that vulgarity of Indian movie has no impact on people’s mindset.
Very rightly said.
Exceptionally appropriate choice of words ❤
Yes definitely,,, a big mighty part is contributed by these disgusting item numbers!
Great Stuff guys :)
I've always felt so, atleast it does in some way..(I'm from Nepal) btw. Unfortunately, Nepali movies are also following suit :/
This s soo true!!
research achhi hai apki👌
Just watch Sanaea bubber’s UA-cam channel to see what the vast majority of new Indian movie songs lyrics actually mean. I never thought they could stoop so low. It’s not just se%ual content but pure vulgarity. Earlier on it was the chammak challo stuff.. to those chasing women around trees. That moved on to Choli ka peeche kya hai.. cough cough.. to now lyrics which I am even ashamed to jot down here. It’s obvious that these are triggers to that frustrated bunch who will see women only as se%ual object.
Bro you're right!
Answer : YES!
tryna blame everything except MEN
they do but those who live in Tier 1 city won't understand this.
What's wrong with "Chunni thik karo" from Kabir Singh ????!!
What was wrong with chuni on first that he has suggested...it signify that it's women who have to restricts herself because men cannot control their own sin ful behaviour. And her boyfriend is telling that the same boyfriend who himself has no moral character of his own ...so woman being told to cover her own body for the man by the man ...isn't that wrong ..just tell men to take out their eye ball if they cannot control it
Yes they do affect...these item songs should be banned
Songs are in Hindi, bhojpuri, etc but the video is made in English.
This is not helping anybody except the people who already agree with your message. This kind of content made only in English further divides people.
I don't think it divides people, but yes, it's preaching to the converted. It needs to be sub-titled or dubbed into all Indian languages. It's sure to get resonance & recognition, at least amongst women
Storyline is about revenge love singing All this is to confusing the ordinance. What really get the some people is violence and gun's used in movies. So the process of copycat recipe is out for everyone to use it. So tell how to enjoy your movie when is full of unrealistic expectations for the world 🙏😎😠
this is pure be, such songs are abundant in western world, it’s the public perception of female body as property, not the item songs.
Can you give examples of item songs in the west?
These are superficial factors , there are societies who have never seen these movies yet R@pe is prevalent weapon to be used for diff motives, and there are other societies where you could access the mosr absurd and violent Corn related to women which u cant fathom yet u would not find violence against women in any measure. India is in a state of flux currently , diff social starta of be financially or socially , a mindset fully librated and a mindset who want women under a veil exist in same society, add the poverty over this mindset, add the judicial system and police who dont give u justice, add to it the post R@pe shaming by society which make it a psychologically difficulty crime for the victim , this crime happens is very advanced country too and even more on per capita basis the issue here we dont get justice , why becoz the political setup from top to bottom is concentrated and patronage base , the person on the top excercise his power vis these rookie and they do corruption and crime under this structure , all of them forn their smsll power ciricle within the big umbrella, and one protect the other the top protect the bottom becox if one get expose all will fall. No matter what u or i say these are structure problem no one want to correct becoz every one love uncheck power without any accountability , even judiciary dont want accountability , few families appointing themselves on top seat and if u question it contempt
The worst is when this actor and actress come out and say women empowerment shouting out their lungs.
May be south or north. Moral compass towards society is zero in them.
Women empowerment starts with your profession what are you portraying yourself.
Aren’t those actresses have some responsibility for the society where they are making money? Not only movie makers but actresses who perform those vulgar dances are to be blame too . Most of the people because of vulgarity and violence stopped watching Bollywood movies. We can’t control the irresponsible Movie industry but we can control our families .
Many actress refuse to do items songs. Kangana turn down many item songs. The actres from sirf tum leave the industry becos of it. Only yah raj. Film is romantic not skin show. Along with autosh from lagaan such film. Is must
Men does the same thing showing six packs and all..yet women dont contribute to gRapppe culture against women as much as men.
WHY??😊😊
And what about Bhojpuri songs? Doesn't someone in some position of authority like our judiciary, feel offended and violated by these vulgar song dance sequences? Can't they take suo moto notice of these "creativity" by the film world?
needs to be called out indeed!
L Malaka Arora, Nora Fatehi, Kriti Sanon, Deepika Padukone
W Shabana Azmi, Kangana Raunat
And the male directors? And actors that say yes to it? And the public that enjoys it so much? And marriages that use these songs? And the clubs that use these songs?😂😂😂😂😂😂
Unn sab ko bhi call karo bhai😂😂😂😂😂
@@PAL5041 Why you said 'male' directors?? You could've said only directors..
Bloody sexist
You forgot the main one... Katrina kaif
Vai tum sirf Bollywood ko pakad rahe south main nhi hota kya🙂
Do dogs dances in item songs?
Many years ago a aunt of mine told me that Eve teasing was taught by Bollywood to the society. No wonder society is now suffering for not stopping that in the first place. Every crime start in a innocent manner. Rape provocation started with the sensual songs and eve teasing.
Its a social thing, all over world people watch 0rn but most of them never harm anyone.
@@ChetanaN-yi2hw all over the world includes India. Item songs or orn excites people but 99% of them never turn into criminals. I think this is pretty good evidence that these things have almost zero contribution.
Biggest contributor is one's surrounding environment.
@@ChetanaN-yi2hw in my opinion Biggest contributor is one's surrounding environment, certain areas have more incidents than others.
Ofc law enforcement plays a role but it stops those who can be criminals in an unrestrained environment. It's not required in places where society is good natured.
@@ChetanaN-yi2hw you are not paying attention. My comment is about effect of orn or item songs.
Just from your own experience you can tell how many people you know watch these and how many of them have turned into some criminals.
I am sure the numbers will show you that these things do not play any major role, if they did majority of your friends should be criminals by now, cause majority of them watch it.
@@ChetanaN-yi2hw and your friends don't? The ratio will be millions to one. You are using example of one while ignoring example of millions who do watch and yet haven't committed any crime.
@@ChetanaN-yi2hw on sewu.isa.ion part. Let me ask a question can you swxualise an unattractive person? A woman to a homo man or vice versa?
Sw"lisation is just taking advantage of your already existing desires. They can only use young good looking people(majority).
Can you swxualise a tree? May be for a small minority.
So attraction is a pre-existing tendency. It doesn't require media to develop.
Studies done on such cases found majority of victim of age group 15-30 and culprits too of 15-25.
Both homo and hetero find people of this age group attractive whether someone does swxualise or doesn't.
Even if you swxualise a cartoon it has to have certain type of appearance, what I m trying to say is this attraction is not dependent on swxualisation of women but it's the other way around. Hardly any item song does it to a 70 year old why? Because it doesn't work.
When i confronted my narc ex that he touched me worhou mu consent.be said this is all because of I tem songs
yes yes yes universal truth😡😡😡😡😡😡
Yes I agree
Can you share any data, evidence or study to prove this point?
America has its own corn industry, by this logic it must also contribute to R cases in America? I believe had it been true they would have taken some action against it.
What you're saying seems true to a layman but needs authentic evidence to come to a concrete conclusion.
This is like saying playing video games make children violent.
No
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True
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Boycott bollywood .
Unfortunately, our gods have set up wrong examples, which get transferred to masses via religious leaders and kathavachaks! Main three deities, king of devs Indra and major rishis all have indulged in such or similar acts which would be punishable under any modern law as rape or sexualpredation. Please check stories ( read actual description from original books) Brahma saraswati, vishnu vrinda, Mahesh mohini, Indra......( how many should I mention) , rishi parashar matshyagandha etc etc!!
Zeus was rapists but it doesn't affect greeks similarly all these gods you are mentioning hardly have that impact on masses ....because nobody reading or listening them but nowadays it's movies and social media that have taken over the story telling
Dude if you check religion properly, whenver a women was harmed, the men have been punished. Even Indra ws cursed and banished for 100yrs, same with ravan and kauravas. But today the men are not punished tht is the problem, even hatras rapists were released as police failed to collect evidence. Our laws are pathetic.
Your opinion is pretty shallow, brother. All religions older than 1000 years are a product of their time. You can't use them to blame or justify horrible things happening in present times.
Offcourse it does😂😂😂
stop demonising " bollywood" for engagement, are these dance numbers only in bollywood, south industries and bengali films never had thiese? and why refer women dance numbers as "item'' number,first qustion the naming of such words
Correction, The clothes also play a important role. We need to Firstly respect our own body. Think about it, why do we go to Temples and Mosque and Churches and Gurudwaras with clothings, why don't we show our bodies there? Its because of Respect to God.
We need to understand, that if you display your money and keep the house door open, the Robbers will Rob. You can't expect a Robber not to Rob, when you display your money, and keep your house unlocked.
I was badly touched by some guy when I was in temple with my family, it was too during navaratri, also I was just 15 at that time and I was fully covered, maybe I did something to encourage him to touch me , right???????????
@@ashley8744 Here is your mentality problem. Read my comment properly first. Learn to Respect your own body. You do the right things, even after that, if it happens, you know you are in the right, and it's the other person fault. Then you complain to God, and he will be punished. Don't cry out foul, it you are not willing to do the right thing. The problem with the society, today is My Body, My Choice, but are not willing to take up their own responsibilities. If our parents said, my Body, My Choice, we would not he born. Stop objectifying of your own body or anyone else's body.
Certainly there is no "rape culture" in India. If that is the case then why is it criminalised? A huge number of rapes happen in America too. Does anyone ever say America has a rape culture?
I think it's the other way around. Rape culture contributes to the making and the popularity of item songs
You have talked about lower caste but have not talked about some religions who consider women as their slave because their god said this according to their holy book. Kyon dar lagta hai?
If you are talking about Islam, women aren't slaves in Islam. They have dignity and respect.
@@-A-09 what a joke 🤣.
@@VivekKumar-zb2sx The only joke here is you. You are misinformed of the religion with your prejudices but over-confident with your bold, false statements.
@@-A-09 please read the Quran and then talk
@@VivekKumar-zb2sx I have. You should do that too.
Reel life is not the one to be blamed, reel life is the image of real life...
Hypocrisy of hindustan, by mainly one, let it be, ab kuch bhi kahenhe toh vibad ho jayega, aplog baas mombatti aur agarbatti leke protest kiye jao, aur kanoon mashal leke samman kiye jaye.