Was John F. Kennedy the 'Accidental Victim'? James Reston Jr. discusses his new book
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- Опубліковано 21 лис 2013
- The Alma and Joseph Gildenhorn Book Series features best-selling author James Reston Jr. discussing his book "The Accidental Victim: JFK, Lee Harvey Oswald, and the Real Target in Dallas." Terence Smith of PBS NewsHour interviews him
The audacity of these people never ceases to amaze.
The Killer Queen is a Kindle book, 2022 updated edition offers compelling evidence. Jackie was in on it with her Derringer. There is even a photo of Lee Harvey Oswald outside the entrance to the TSBD as the Limosine passed by. As Oswald said, I’m just a patsy. There was a huge conspiracy with many government agencies involved. The government bullied many witnesses to change their story. Those who stuck to telling the truth, the government murdered, such as Lee Harvey Oswald, police officer Roger Dean Craig.
Tell me about it.
So he’s saying Oswald hated Connelly so much but he couldn’t be bothered to track him down in a different situation!! That’s laughable.
CIA/Mossad did it.
As he said. Oswald didn’t have the means to track him down. He went from job to job. He had a undesirable discharge from the Marines, which is as bad as a BCD. So he couldn’t get a government job. He didn’t have a car.
Oswald did not need to track him down. Once he discovered that the parade route in Dallas went right by his place of work, the opportunity was served up to him. That's obvious here.
It’s beyond your comprehension that someone commit a crime of opportunity? How would you feel if you found out that your arch enemy (at least in your mind) would be driving right under your window? And in this scenario you’re a troubled young man with nothing to lose.
The part where the story falls apart for me is where they claim that Oswald was some kind of big fan of JFK. No way does someone who worships the USSR and Cuba feel any kind of love for the man responsible for the Cuban missile crisis.
@@WonderfulWorldofAwesomeness I think Oswald was an anarchist in every way, and his path to feeling powerful himself lay in taking out powerful people.
I really want to finish this discussion but I’m having a hard time not letting it drive me to madness. It’s just ridiculous, and it always makes me laugh when Warren Commission supporters start by saying something like “ all crazy conspiracy theories aside” and “ I’ve never come across a shred of evidence supporting any notion of conspiracy”.
Anyone who says this has either never truly researched this incredibly complex murder, or they’re minds were already made up on the subject so when faced with any information that goes in another direction they immediately disregard it.
The Warren Commission was a joke from its inception and their conclusions were exactly what they set out to prove and accomplished exactly what LBJ, Hoover and others wanted them to prove. Any other result was not acceptable whatsoever.
One of our greatest Presidents was killed that day and for so many of us, we will never stop working to drag those involved out into the harsh light no matter how staked the deck may be against us. Those men may be gone now but I’d be satisfied to take down their legacies if we can no longer take them down personally.
Very good post, keep in mind that the Warren Commission’s only task was to calm a rattled American populace. It was to calm the Americans fear that something far more sinister occurred, the Warren Report had the opposite effect for the Report became part of them.
The Warren Report is just a conspiracy theory, and a very poor one at that.
Hi crazy.
Anyone who believes the Warren Commisions findings on the vicious murder of our beloved president either does not know the facts. the true facts of the case or they have an IQ of about...40 ...
The Killer Queen is available on Kindle, 2022 updated edition. The evidence and explanation is compelling. A huge conspiracy with many government agencies involved. It will make you want to cry and feel afraid of the corruption in our government.
A very low percentage of people who disdain the Warren Report have actually read it. The idea that Oswald was gunning for Connoly, not Kennedy, is beyond absurd.
What the Warren Report probably got wrong was the sequence of shots. Governor Connolly and the Secret Service Agents on the scene will swear that the first shot hit Kennedy, the second hit the Governor and the third was the Fatal shot to Kennedy. How the Commission came up with the sequence that they did I wouldn't know other than it was made up of the idiots that we elect to public office.
Interesting that Bugliosi had to defend that report theory of the second shot missing entirely before the Secret Service Agents came out public with their testimony. Incredibly the Warren Report never interviewed the agents.
I've always thought Oswald was the only shooter, almost certainly acting alone and it's a simple case with overwhelming evidence all pointing to Oswald.
Listening to this video while writing leaves me ignoring the remainder. .
Some other jack ass had a theory that Oswald was gunning for Jackie, and got Kennedy by mistake. It's just as absurd.
its pretty poorly written trying to read the eye witness report of ONE witness often means switching between volumes to get to different parts of the story. the memos that the lead investigator wrote about which witnesses were terrible or how to bury difficult passages give a far more interesting picture.
And after you've read the Warren Report, you disdain it even more.
@@icewaterslim7260over whelming evidence that Oswald acted alone? Few people that disagree with the WCR have read it ?
Sir I’ve read the 27 volumes, in fact I own a set. I’ve studied this assassination for the last 35 years and unless you’re totally blinded by the lies that the WC published as fact, I feel sorry for you.
The WC belongs in the Fiction Section in the library because that’s all it is. They had one objective and that was to convince the American people that Oswald acted alone with no help. And the same with Jack Ruby.
I recently held a presentation at my library and referred to it as CONSPIRACY AND COVER UP. Numerous people came up to me and said that they never knew the things that I presented to them. They just believed the WC and moved on.
I’ll tell you one cold hard fact.
There magic bullet is totally impossible.
It never went through two men. Causing seven wounds.
The bullet that hit him in the back was later found inside the presidents body by Dr Humes and Paul O’Conner.
That there was two simultaneous shots that hit the president in the head. One from the back and one from the front. The one from the front struck him just in front of his temple and then blew the right rear of his head out. So much so that doctors at Parkland saw pieces of his cerebrum fa out and land on the table. This could not have been from a rear shot. Please explain to me how a shot from the rear could cause a large exit wound to the right rear of his head.
The throat wound was from the front.
He lost me at, "No compelling evidence of a conspiracy."
Well then you're a gaslit fool to not hear it out. Howard Donehue figured this out in 1977 and in his book mortal error and Colin McLaren in JFK Smoking Gun documentary
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Since the magic Bullet Theory is a bad joke and the fatal shot obviously came from the right front. I'd put all my money on that over a Lone Nut with no motive, a misaligned scope, a poor shot that was actually shooting at Connally and somehow hit JFK with two Bull's Eyes.
"He lost me at, "No compelling evidence of a conspiracy.": oh that's easy, it means there's no real believable evidence; there's just a lot of silly stories that get recycled over and over and get believed as though they are true.
"He lost me at, "No compelling evidence of a conspiracy.": Stories and rumours are not evidence, he means.
Absolutely. He forgot there was also absolutely no compelling evidence whatsoever that Oswald even fired a single shot from the Book Depository. Maximum ignorance.
The judge in that case was the brother of the police chief of Dallas Texas and he helped organize the motorcade to go down through there they had a newspaper article and they broadcast it over the radio his exact location step by step minute by minute
"The judge in that case was the brother of the police chief of Dallas Texas and he helped organize the motorcade to go down through there they had a newspaper article and they broadcast it over the radio": I've never heard anything about Oswald having a radio with him, so I'm not sure what your point is.
and , by the way, that final shot that blew JFK's head off , that was meant for John Connally , too . Absolute claptrap .
"It is harder to convince someone they have been fooled than it is to make fools of them in the first place"
"It is harder to convince someone they have been fooled than it is to make fools of them in the first place": And that's why people have been deceived by the grandfather of CTs, Mark Lane, in his truth-breaking novel, Rush to Judgement.
@TestKanal Then you mean the JFK assassination is the hoax, you time-wasting jackass
Connelly wouldn’t normally carry nearly as much security as JFK. If Connelly was the target, why would you choose a time when he’s with the most guarded man in the country if not the world? There would have been much better opportunities. I think this is a weak argument.
Clearly Kennedy and Kennedy alone was the target ...John Connally was just collateral damage. Nobody attempted to shoot Jackie Kennedy and she was only inches away from her husband . Connally got it too, because he was in the line of fire with the first two or three shots. The final head shot came from the left front and was expertly placed. GAME OVER !
And the idea that Oswald was trying to shoot Connolly by shooting thru Kennedy beggars belief too.
Totally
Oswald did not drive presidents and governors had to come to him or be within walking distance!!!!
And... Allan Dulles was just fired by JFK and then magically was included in the Warren Commission, lucky him. And ok, spontaneous!? So Oswald took his rifle to work with him that day and just later spontaneously decided to shoot Connelly... right.
What a bunch of malarkey. I like to challenge him to lock me in the bathroom. I've never seen one with the lock on the outside. He says he supports the Warren Commission and yet he says there were only two shots?
@@thomasrozoff1128 Crazy, still even after all these years they stick to that unbelievable story :(
You mind if I ask you a question how come so many people at like the Abraham's a beautiful don't exist. How could you write a book on the assassination of John F Kennedy and not knowledge the Abraham Zapruder film. I look forward to your response thank you so much.
@@thomasrozoff1128 Thomas,, I think I know a better word to describe his theory than malarkey!! But I don't want to talk ugly on social media. Might offend some thin-skinned liberals.
@@azahrmalik2259 You're right, if it wasn't for the Zapruder film we never would have had proof of his head flying backward!
I watched 11 minutes, then looked up his book, found out what his thesis is, and then realized I had lost 20 minutes of my life I’ll never get back.
But he does a very good job of showing that Oswald was the lone assassin.
@@patrickcollins7407 Not really.
@@pauldavies5611 I could a better job I must admit Paul. But then I know more than Jim Reston about the case. He's a bit flakey.
The evidence is overwhelming that Oswald was the lone assassin, most people have just been bamboozled by a cottage industry of myth and fable surrounding this very simple case., I should know as I've worked on it as an academic and for media. Most authors and film makers are not in it for historical truth. I know that from experience.
Try reading Peter Knight's book The Kennedy Assassination 2007. A gem. I own over 400 books on the case, I'd put that one at the top of the pile.
@@patrickcollins7407 Sorry. I don’t buy it. Good luck to you.
I think Reston is wrong, he can't be ruled out.
This case was very simple and should have long been put to rest. Had Oswald lived longer, we may well have had answers.
I lasted 2.51 secs before I paused and went to the comments..and glad I did...just saved me an hour and a quarter..I'm not new to the assassination and all the attendant theories and conspiracies and I dont believe LHO fired a gun that day at any time ,at anyone. But,you have to admit that whoever did the shooting,one person or many,were excellent shots...6 people in the car..one gets his brains blown out,one gets hit by pure chance and 4 are untouched even though there was evidence of front shots as well as the head shot and shots from the rear..a moving target that started to speed up with 6 people in close proximity to each other...these were no fair ground shooters. The 2nd and 3rd shots in quick succession precludes any single shooter but at least 2.
Absolute tripe. No evidence for that whatsoever.
Shot circa Z155 misses
Shot 2 Z223 hits JFK in the back + 4 seconds
Shot 3 Z313 hits JFK in the head + 5 seconds
Total approx 9 seconds.
The second and third shots were not in quick succession, just read the ear witness statements.......the vast majority stated evenly spaced over some 8 to 10 seconds.
The shooting was good, it was doable, but it was not as difficult as you imply.
There were ZERO **eye** witness reports on that day of a frontal shooter. Only a shooter in the TSBD.....nowhere else.
Haha. "You lost me at....2.51"
I hung in longer because I couldn't believe the audacity of this guy!
You've wasted a lot of time believing bullshit.
I'de say you are right my friend . I 9 times out of 10 have that gut feeling and my gut is just all over exactly what you are saying
Same here, but for me it was the uninspired opener, asking people in the audience where they were when Kennedy was shot? OMFG. These old establishment fluffers have too much time on their hands.
It takes a conspiracy theorist to believe the official story. Unbelievable.
Amen!
💯%. The only people who can possibly believe the official story have to be people who have never heard any interviews of the doctors in Dallas or witnesses that were actually there in Dallas. Not to mention the team of people who developed the “Z” film who say 100% that the film that is shown now is not the one they developed and had the stills of the critical moment on boards that were made for the CIA!!
You don't really understand the so-called 'official story', you only know what's been spoon fed to you by CT people like Mark Lane and the conspiracy people. .
I'm with ya on this. I wanna add, ..... I wanna replace the word 'conspiracy' with the word 'coverup.' Often the word 'conspiracy' is associated with 'nut cases.' "Coverup' is associated with criminals.
What got my attention was his absolute confidence that only 2 shots were fired. (Time mark 21:53). I was hoping someone was going to ask a question regarding that stance, but no one in the audience did. Also, the comment regarding Richard Helms was interesting. (Time mark 1:05:35)
It goes against a torrent of sworn testimony that 3 shots were _heard_ . And closest earwitness described it innumerable times in later interviews after the WC the shots and the bolt action that he heard. You cannot whittle that down to 2. Yes, why didn't anyone ask? The three shots are among the dozen most salient points of the very commission that Reston asseverates as one of the greatest and most admirable commissions he has known.
Sadly, this belief of his consigns the man among the theorists, right or left, that one can classify as outliers in the body of assassination books: people who must needs discount brutal disconfirmatory and _established_ facts for their Rube Goldberg contraption to work.
I believe Clint Hill also said there were 3 shots.
Mrs. Newman says 3 shots
@@brettsfav4 Hill did say there were 3 although he said he only heard 2. The first one and then the head shot. He said he was told later that while he was running towards the car there had been a second shot. He said he didn’t hear it because of the car motor and motorcycle he was running past.
@@-danR theres quite a few important witness who disagree with that of course amos eunis heard 4 shots, brennan heard one shot , but thinks there were two possibly , he is a terrible witness, folks like jean hill heard at least 4 ...there is no great consensus.
Not impressed with this gent's theory at all
Nothing that occurred in Dealey Plaza on 22 November 1963 was an accident. Furthermore, what occurred at Bethesda Naval Hospital on 22 November 1963 was no accident. Shame on you Reston.
You're right that it was no accident Kennedy got shot; Oswald obviously was trying to shoot him. He got lucky with Connolly.
Just makes you wonder how many people out there who write a book are completely off base.
Yes and most of them a pro conspiracy, I have around 320 CT books on the JFK case and all but a few are dreadful. This case was hijacked and is so poorly understood...you only have to read the comments here.
As long as there's people out there buying it? I'm guessing a lot of authors
Obama wrote one too.
Just makes you wonder how many people out there who write a book are completely off base." Yes, like the SS agent shot him theory.
At that point in time no one knew for certain that Oswald killed Kennedy...According to our system, Oswald was innocent UNTIL he was PROVEN guilty. So, really Oswald died an innocent man because he didn't live long enough to even get a trial. So, anyone who thinks it was o.k. to kill Oswald is appointing themselves Judge, jury, and executioner. Oswald was shot and killed for one reason and one reason only,---to silence him. Ruby wasn't looking to do a favor for Jackie Kennedy or the American people. Ruby was ORDERED to take Oswald out at any cost. Again, believe your own eyes in this. There's film of Jack Ruby at the press conference with Oswald at the Dallas Police station. He's seen briefly , but he looks a bit antsy...Ruby was stalking Oswald waiting for the right moment to do what he knew he HAD to do...That moment came when they were transferring Oswald. They really want us to believe that Jack Ruby just happened to be in the area at the precise moment of the transfer , AND that he had unobstructed access to the Dallas police basement. Sorry,I can't believe that and I never will thanks to my common sense...What does YOUR common sense tell you?
The Dallas detectives and the Postal inspector did a fantastic job of connecting the dots in the hours following the assination of JFK. Oswald and Marina were going through a trial separation whereby he would catch a ride to Irving and spend the weekend at the house where Marina was staying (and where Lee was known by the home owner to keep his rifle) after work every Friday. On this occasion he caught a ride on a Thursday, wrapped up his rifle, and before he left for work in the morning left most of his money and his wedding band in a dish for Marina. When his co-worker and car pool guy asked him what he had that was wrapped up, Oswald replied "curtain rods". I would really beg of you to read either RECLAIMING HISTORY by Vincent Bougliosi or CASE CLOSED by Gerald Pozner both are excellent with the Bougliosi book being far superior but at over fifteen hundred pages takes a bit of a commitment to read but it is a great historical accounting.
OSWALD DID NOT KILL ANYONE.
@@laneannmcrae1594 as long as you leave out Officer J.D. Tippit and President John F. Kennedy, you are absolutely correct.
Trump/JFK Jr 2020
Who do you think is REALLY running the show?
We have John Jr. No one can stop Trump. RU Ready?: Trump drops Kennedy. Carolyn is first introduced. That's how this rolls. Trump is going down as folklore.
Accidental Author : James Reston is either intentionally playing dumb or is dumb.
"You can't awaken a person who is pretending to be asleep".
Marina's command of the English language, back then, was limited.
She was afraid of being deported
back to Russia.
Her testimony was compromised.
Today, she is sure Oswald was innocent.
so what? (sew buttons).
"Marina's command of the English language, back then, was limited.
She was afraid of being deported
back to Russia". That's why she didn't tell the po po after Oswald tried to shoot Walker.
I find it odd that no tape recorder was available to record the interviews of Oswald.
This is completely debunked. Oswald was in the front entrance of the TSBD when the shots were fired.
JFK was hit from the knoll, and the Daltek Building. Connally was hit by a shooter in the SW corner of the 6th floor TSBD.
Look at the angles, this is the only explanation for Connally’s wounds. He would have bled out in the car, but his wife Nelly was a nurse when she was younger, so she kept pressure on the wounds and saved his life.
Oswald was never even arraigned for the attempted murder of Connally.
No grassy knoll shots, why would people run up that way after the shooting, his head moved in a for motion moving back from his back support that kept him upright! RC
Oswald was behind the crowd on the steps.
Geraldine Reid was speaking to him
as the shots were fired.
They were out of sight.
@@markrymanowski719 Oswald was NOT in the doorway, that was Billy Lovelady who resembled Oswald.
@@HawklordLI
I never said he was in the doorway.
Behind the crowd on the steps.
spank flaps: are you sure you're not piss flaps? You are I think.
the hands of kennedy reach the throat cause the entrance comes from the front, the 1st signal of pain that the brain receice is from the entrance, if the entrance would be in the back, he would open is hands backward that show the 1st signal of pain the brain received comes from the back, and would not have reach is throat
the reaction indicate where the brain receive the 1st signal of pain, the entrance
just think a bit
you have zero science.
I was alive when it happened (I'm 63)...and I can't believe the doddering, elderly presentation from these men. Enough to put you to sleep.
They’re trying to not sensationalize it as it’s been sensationalized many times before. Perhaps I can point you to a Hollywood movie that exploits the tragedy instead?
The room lighting in his study clearly outlined the intended victim. He had been sitting at his desk writing a speech.
Suddenly the glass in the window be behind him exploded and the bullet slammed into the wall paneling causing him to instinctively duck. A foot lower and General Walker would have been before his maker.
75 yards away the shooter quickly fled the scene thinking Walker was dead but like the story of his life, the shooter missed, he had failed once again to accomplish his goal.
But wait a minute!! Seven months later the shooter, Lee Harvey Oswald would fire three bullets in seven seconds from 150 yards away hitting a moving target hitting the victim at least twice one of which was a killing head shot.
What a transformational shooter.
The bullet for Walker was deflected by the screen in the window. He actually hit his hair. If not for the screen he would have killed General Walker.
@@NunyaDammeBiznis The bullet deflected by the screen, no way was the bullet deflected by the screen.
The question is not does the Walker shooting show Oswald was a good or poor shot ~ he certainly had improved a fair amount from his Marine Corps days, Marina tells us he'd been practicing with his rifle, both improving his shooting and becoming adept at working the clunky Carcano ~ the question is was it a real attempt or was Oswald an anti-government activist working *with* Walker's Bircher/NeoNazis toward garnering sympathy for Walker. I think the latter is quite possible, and that Oswald was in many ways the original Timothy McVeigh. Doesn't mean he shot JFK, but it does mean he was far from either a communist sympathizer or an agent of the US government.
@@davidmarshall7752 Interesting. I haven't heard that suggestion before. I've gone back and forth about whether LHO was right or left since he posed as both. Maybe the reason is he was neither, just a naive kid with daddy issues; another reason he could have been the perfect patsy.
@@dreamingrightnow1174 Oswald was a naive but sophisticated political actor who wanted a global revolution, and he'd take it any way he could. He came to believe in a kind of Socialist/Fascist approach that would replace the Communist/Capitalist system, which explains why he hung out with Extreme Rightists like DeMohrenschildt & Bannister but also Leftist Unitarians such as Michael & Ruth Paine. We also know beyond question Oswald was involved in the assassination because he fled the Depository, went home and armed himself, and snuck into a theater without paying. That is not the behavior of an innocent man.
According to the FBI report, Oswald waited until the car turned the corner and then shot through an oak tree to hit JFK in the back with the first shot, and then hit Connolly, and then shot JFK in the head. All by a person that barely qualified in the Corps, using a mil surplus Italian rifle and mil surplus ammo. It could happen, but I wouldn't bet on those odds. The theory that he was actually trying to shoot Connolly is interesting though.
Osawald was rated as a sharp shooter by the Marines you fucktard.
I doubt you got your facts straight about the FBI report. Anyway, the WR said one shot missed, one hit both guys, and one hit K in the head. That was true, wasn't it? So they didn't seem to think it mattered which shot missed. I can see why someone would say that, but still, I reckon it does matter. Nobody said he was shooting thru a tree. Let's not twist things. They speculated that the missed shot ricochet off a tree branch. More like the metal arm of the traffic light.
In his initial test at the Corps shooting range Oswald came quite close to shooting expert. He was given a second test when he was trying to get himself drummed out of the Corps so that he could travel to the U.S.S.R. He did a half ass job and barely shot either marksman or sharpshooter, which ever is lower. Also, remember when he shot JFK He used a 4power scope in a small area with the limo being in his direct line of sight.
Very interesting to listen to questions from an auditorium that has no microphones, James. Talk to your publishing agency. I bet more people may buy your books if they can hear what's going on. If your books are as boring as your speech here - hmm... - I doubt it.
Chris Tame, founder of the Libertarian Alliance, sagaciously said, "I am not interested in conspiracy theories. I am interested in the facts of conspiracies."
If this guy says "I'm a storyteller" or "the story I am telling" one more time I'm gonna puke.
Why is there hardly ever any discussion on the fact that it is simply impossible to establish that Oswald was the shooter.
Watch the video shot from the other side of the limo coming around the corner and passing the Book Depository and in the doorway ....OSWALD is standing next to a Black woman he worked with....if you can slow it down, if not pause it and there is Oswald. People mentioned it to the FBI but they said later it was someone who looked like Oswald but if you stop it at that frame and look ...you can see it was doctored. BTW the testimony by the woman that day was she saw Lee in the lunchroom and asked if was going down to catch the Pres. go by ...he said yes as soon as he got something to drink...then you see the picture and there he is , standing next to her. She was never used to give testimony in front of the Warren Commission...I wonder if she was one of the many witnesses who came forth to testify about what they saw who ACCIDENTLY DIED ! BTW....when you look at the video...why did everyone look and run up to the GRASSY KNOLL???? The KILL shot either came from the GRASSY KNOLL or the OVERPASS . That day a lot of us saw the undoctored version of the Zapruder film before it was DOCTORED ....That stays in my memory to this day...I was only 19!
@@eileenjones3918 Oswald was not out there on the street. Nobody who was there ever said he was and I assume you are referring to Billie Lovelady, who firmly stated he was the man seen there. This was all established many decades ago.
The bystanders did not start looking at the knoll and begin running up it until a couple of minutes after the shooting. Officer Haygood, as his own words and reports firmly establish, pulled his bike up at the base of the hill and ran up it to help secure the area. Once at the top he found nobody. The crowd began assuming he was chasing someone when he ran up the hill and began following him, creating an ensuing wave as more people saw this happen. Once at the top they were all filmed milling aimlessly around an empty lot.
And.... *what* witnesses "came forth to testify about what they saw" and were rubbed out?
@@aaronz7056 I guess you and I didn't see the same video.....Most of us alive today saw the video before the FBI got their hands on it...even I noticed the difference in it when they showed the world that video days later. Oswald was the Patsy and you can believe what you want....but the original video was the truth and that TRUTH CAN'T BE WIPED FROM MEMORIES UNTIL WE ARE ALL DEAD. BTW As soon as the shots were fired . people hit the ground looking up at the Grassy Knoll ...long before the Officer made a move toward it. JFK was set up and SLAUGHTERED like an animal and one of them is burning in Hell as we speak...G.H.W.Bush ! Also ....look at the photo shot from the other side...THE BRAKE LIGHTS ARE ON AS THE KILL SHOT IS FIRED FROM THE GRASSY KNOLL.The S.S. dirty little hands were involved in it too. There was also the dent of a bullet hitting the chrome around the front windshield of JFK's car coming from the front. The evidence is there to see......I was 19 at the time but that first video has stuck with me all these years and will til I go to my grave. As far as the witnesses ...seek and ye shall find......a lot of accidental car deaths and some murders.
@@eileenjones3918 Well, I'm glad you're not sounding hysterical and paranoid.
because it is not true - it just means that you are totally clueless as to what the evidence against him is. Plus he was literally seen shooting. Get at least a tiny bit acquainted with the facts.
" Never interested in Jack Ruby"? You lost me at that point.....
I had to speed it up to 1.25 so I could keep up with him lol…. I can’t stay focused when someone drags on and keeps stopping and starting 😵
HAHA Sorry, but this guy is naive and he just called politely called 97 % of the population of earth "stupid"
They're forever doing that. It's funny: we used to complain about the Soviets and Nazis brainwashing their people with propaganda. We taught those people everything they know!
a really great twist to this huge mystery to most.well done Sir.
What's the summary, these two are too tedious to listen to.
If you "shove aside the conspiracies" you are left with the official WR which is not supported by its own 26 volumes.
you made no point whatsoever. You haven't got a clue what the WR says any way, though.
Can someone explain to me how Oswald shot President Kennedy with a fatal shot to the President's right side of his head? It is clear in the Zapruder film that President Kennedy received a fatal shot to the right of his head and therefore the shooter must have been to the President's right - on this basis the fatal shot could not have been Oswald. i actually don't think that Oswald was even in the building for the first or second shots - there is a photograph of him on the pavement outside and I believe that Oswald was innocent of this tragic event.
Come on, get serious. look at the Z Film; Kennedy's head is turned a bit to the left. "a photograph of him on the pavement outside": that's someone else named Billy lovelady and your comments are uninformed, lazy and really lame.
5-minutes 50 seconds James files just walked in
"James Files" what a joke.
Important to note that Ruby's case was on appeal at the time of his death - wasn't it? And gee... weren't there a lot of coincidences?
They have a patsy so there is no investigation/court case - where the story will fall apart under examination !
VERY important for the patsy to plead guilty.
Bang.............bang .. bang. Almost all witnesses reported at least 3 shots , with hardly a pause between the 2nd and 3rd
Connally always said that he was hit by a different shot from the one that hit JFK - he never believed the single bullet theory
Well the Zapruder film proves he was wrong because Connally reacts to the sound of a shot, turns to his right, turns back and is then hit at Z223.........a full 4 seconds after the first missed shot and yet during that time from Z155 to Z200 you can see JFK waving and smiling until he goes behind the sign from view for 0.9 second
Clearly Connally was wrong which he later admitted. His wife thought JFK was hit first, she was wrong, she never saw him.
JC stuck by his wife.
He did accept the SBT. So he should, it is a proven fact. One bullet went through both men.
You can see the jacket lapel flip at Z224. His wound was ovoid and had no bullet wipe (residue) on the wound which basically proves he was hit by a bullet that passed through something else.
JC's arm pit was NOT visible from the rear high locations because JFK was in the way.
@@patrickcollins7407 Z film proves JC was hit long after the throat shot
@@nolslifegren Nonsense.
JC is struck at Z223 and starts to show a visible reaction latest at Z230.........as JFK is reacting to the shot through his throat already as he appears from behind the sign at Z224, how is JC's wound "long after" that.....
Do you know about the lapel flip at Z224....?
I take it you do not have the digital Z frames .....otherwise you would not make such a silly comment.
@@patrickcollins7407 Bollocks - watch the film properly
@@nolslifegren
I've watched the film thousands of times. I have also seen the canister in the Archives.
Define "properly"......
Connally is struck by Z224 latest and JFK is smiling and waving until he emerges at Z224, clearly reacting.
The Z film does NOT prove JC was shot "long after" the JFK throat shot.
I suggest a trip to the opticians..?
What you think does not matter, 4 investigations concluded the two victims were hit by the same bullet - which makes logical sense, it fits the evidence, it also supports JC's view that he was hit by the second shot.
This is not difficult.
"If you put aside all the conspiracy theories, your left with LHO...." well, duh!!!! If you got 10 crayons, and you put aside 9, your left with one color! This guy is a frickin' genius! Eureka! Case solved! LHO acted alone!....Oh, Mr Troll, please tell me another fairy tale.......
Oswald did act alone and there is no evidence of anything otherwise. Read Bugliosi.
yes, and Reston and that other guy should get a room.
They were two motorcades playing before the Dallas Texas one and they were both called off by the secret service because the threat of assassination Miami Florida and Chicago Illinois
"They were two motorcades": I thought you were saying there were 2 motorcades in Dallas that day; like '2 rifles found', '2 Oswalds', '2 shooters'. It's a good thing you clarified that, you might've sounded crazy.
It's amazing how it's called conspiracy when it's an unpalatable truth
Dallas police found a 7.65 Mauser rifle on the 6th floor of the TBD, not a carcano. Less than a minute after the shooting, a policeman found LHO sitting calmly in the cafeteria of the TBD. They found a 45 slug in the grass on elm street, back, left of where the motorcade had passed. The author said the Warren Commission did a great job yet they didn't interview any eye witnesses who contradicted their predetermined conclusion and ignored and/or lied about evidence that contacted their predetermined conclusion. The author did the same.
His head goes back not forward. 🤫 no truth telling allowed still
"Back and to the left". "Back and to the left".
@@michaelprimm5066 haha oh yes sir I forgot
There were definitely 3 shots. MOST of the witnesses heard 3 shots. There were 3 casings. And it wasn't 5 seconds between the 2nd shot (neck/Connolly) and 3rd (brain.)
a lot of witnesses heard 4 shots, some heard 2 shots some heard 1 shot. and when you look at what witness said they heard what it all gets to be a lot less clear. "most" heard 3 shots isnt proof of anything.
amazing, their still kicking this around.
I don't think he were an accidental target. I don't think they were aiming at the guy working the hot dog cart.
Oswald shot JFK in the neck, but the secret service accidentally made the kill shot with a new weapon named the m16 semiautomatic rifle
...with .223 exploding ammunition. No wonder his head was thrown back as this lethal projectile exited through the side of his head.
Look at records on file, LHO facial paraffin test "negative " i.e. fired no rifle 11/22/63, entrance hole in windshield and a dent in it's frame? 2 shots from front?
Get real, LHO proposed shot from rear, couldn't have resulted in brain chunk Mrs. Kennedy retrieved from lid of trunk and gave to Parkland Emergency room Dr.
The whole incident is an unexplained mess, important? records sealed by then President Johnson until 2039? There's a coverup of sorts, needs to be exposed with guilty parties.
@@johnbell6114 you haven't seen the evidence so you don't know
This is a great theory, ballistics never lie, military ammo that Oswald used was designed to go in and out, Kennedy’s head was blown apart which was ammo used by a M16 which was what the secret service agent in the trail car had, apparently when the first shots were fired the agent took off the safety and as the car sped off he accidentally fired his weapon and shot Kennedy.
I have never heard any agency investigation into this theory.
But in that case the gun SS agent Hickey had contained a bullet that had been fired by Oswald's rifle. No, it doesn't seem to make sense.
Some thing I have never understood if Lee Oswald was so eel educated how did he do a job in the army as a radio operator. To me you need to be well educated to do that job.
He was well spoken
Buell Frazier said he was quiet, intelligent,
and learned quick.
Hardly two thirds crazy.
operating a radio is not rocket science.
"Hardly two thirds crazy.": so you can be quiet, intelligent and have serious deep-seated issues and violent tendencies.
I was sitting in History Class. Someone tapped on the door. Our History Teacher opened the door. For a few quick minutes, she was talking with the Janitor. She re-entered the room saying"No, no,no. The Janitor must be drunk again!" A very few minutes later a radio broadcast come over the room's speaker. "History" happened that afternoon. (Unforgettable History)
JFK died on my 5th birthday.
I got a plastic dumper truck as well.
My goodness what an incredibly unbelievable story. Surely he has not bothered to listen to the evidence readily available nowadays on line. The idea that Oswald was the only person involved is laughable, leave aside the idea he was the only shooter!
To Brian, To app,,, To Jay, to truth,,
to Mj,,,:
Plot method,To John,,,To Mark, yes E. Howard Hunt was in that role in the project they named the" Big event", as Architect. He was CIA,
Photo of him in Dallas exists., wearing earpiece as given to Dallas police, for comms. Hunt confessed later,,
Barrie,,,,To @truth:::::To Pete ,@alankoz5067
Yes, you got all your points correct!! Mac Wallace, hitman for LBJ, also an
Frank Sturgis was also confirmed shooters at Kennedy too, as well as at least 8 others. Every main shooter had an assigned backup shooter, as well there were signal men, spotters, fake badgemen.,
Tactician, Strategist, fake SS ids, real Architect w field
Crossfire setup, with a kill zone painted in yellow paint stripes on S. curb,
6 confessions an counting,
LBJ Accountant paid most shooters, 5 professional snipers who were firing from 5 different directions,
Jfk hit with 6 bullets totally, very complex organized plot.extensive.
Head Shots:: to Jfk, overlapping 2 shot from back, 2 shot from front, trick shots done for
Disguised trajectories, some silencers utilized, shot to front throat via windshield shot from front, Bullet stuck in throat of jfk until Bethesda, shot to back right shoulder , from back, bullet that fell out in limo.
Underloaded cia bullet, by cia lab, Goleta, California.
also.. Motorcycle cop left recording stk open for audio,
Was spliced onto real non- tampered original Zapruder film, matches up shots and sound exactly 💯 by Groden an others.
But Volley of 16 shots totally by multi-shooters, heard by Nellie Connally...
An others earwitness,
A lone shooter cannot generate a 16 plus shots volley w bolt
Action rifle in matter of seconds. A Fuselage of shots. Signaled for by 🌂. Man.
OsCarcano cannot fireshoot those frangible type bullets.
Project financed by big Oilmen, payouts by LBJ staff. AN lawyer, accountant,
Many investigations govt. squelched, for years, true evidence tampered with, evidence buried, hidden, witnesses killed. Rogue CIA playbookkkk, brain an body switch with had-to-die Tippit, you couldn't make this up,
Bogus autopsy, sad very,
Very Stolen brains.
Tape of military Chiefs secretly recorded them saying Kennedy was a marked man, after jfk left meeting.room, incl Gen LeMay. Was there. project corruption ensued. Bullet later found on County Records roof.
But British Enfield rifle found on roof of TSBD.??
LBJ was at top of command chain. Bush sr involved as Coordinator and photographed in Dallas . Nixon knew beforehand too. Dulles watched from Cia building in Dallas. Carlos Marcello mafia, confessed. Johnny Roselli, mafia
Found dismembered just before he was to testify.
Charles Nicoletti, shooter
Within Daltex bldg. Woody Harrelson,s Father involved, as shooter,to front throat. ALLEN Dulles
ex- CiA, was in cia building in Dallas.watching it unfold.
ex-Cubans, Rogue cia, fbi, Mic, half of Dallas police officers involved, ex-military involved. Contract hitmen who turned down the contract,
Then Later talked. Some Participants paid in heroin.
Patsy in place. Lone nutty shooter narrative enforced, Cover-up enforced...control of jfk body enforced. see Wikipedia..who all wanted Kennedy dead. DOJ
DoJustice never reopened jfk Case due to large participation of future presidential politicians.
Example, LBJ, Bush, etc
Cannot release certain govt. documentation on assassination.extensive.conspiracy, Warren omissions, thugs involved in assassination jfk, show up later at Watergate scandaL. Nixon ruined, forced to resign.
Very professionally skilled assassins who had done
Previous kills. Cover-up planning had begun years before ago...Rich men's trickery..
French secret service investigations people determined LBJ behind plot. KGB concluded same=LBJ. LBJ haunted for years, to the point of mental illness, so he tunes out..Leaves big mess as legacy. Then later, a lot of the same plotters murder his brother, RFK.
James Reston jnr has written a book saying that Oswald was aiming for Connally, not JFK.
The lead fragments in the back of JFK's head do not support Reston's theory.
The hole in the floor of the limo does not support Reston's theory.
Oswald's shot-1 ricocheted off the western side of the signal arm supporting the overhead signals, & the remnant slug made a hole in the floor of the limo tween Connally's seat & Mrs Connally's seat (hole seen in photo)(Dec1963), & some lead fragments hit JFK in the back of the head (seen in Xrays).
If Oswald was aiming for JFK's body then the above geometry makes sense.
If Oswald was aiming for Connally's body, & (1) if the ricochet was off the eastern side of the signal arm, then the ricochet would have angled back to the east & .....
(1a) the fragments of lead would have hit JFK on the top of the head (but the Xrays show fragments in the back of the head, not the top).
(1b) In addition the hole in the floor would have been tween JFK & Connally (but the hole in the floor was tween Connally & Mrs Connally).
If Oswald was aiming for Connally's body, & (2) if the ricochet was off the western side of the signal arm, then the ricochet would have angled to the west & .....
(2a) the fragments of lead might have hit Kellerman, in the passenger seat.
(2b) In addition the hole in the floor would have been tween Connally & Kellerman.
Hence, Oswald was aiming for JFK.
As all this was happening, Oswald
was on the first floor, right behind
the crowd on the steps.
Geraldine Reid was talking to him
as the shots were fired.
Caroline Arnold passed Oswald on the
way out the door at 12.25pm.
It's time we moved on to the real killers.
@@markrymanowski719
Nope. LHO fired 2 shots. The ricochet. Then the magic bullet. And he decided not to fire his last remaining shot in the whole woild (why not?).
@@markrymanowski719 It's time you deal with facts instead of silly stories and total ignorance of the basic evidence. I think you were referring to Billy lovely. That was based on someone thinking Lovelady looked like Oswald in that picture. You really really need to do better.
@@atheistaetherist2747 I don't get why you would use the term "Magic Bullet". It's such a know-nothing term showing ignorance and indifference toward the facts. You mentioned the ricochet, but forgot about James Tague. You also forgot about the 3rd shot. Come on, man.
@@atheistaetherist2747"he decided not to fire his last remaining shot in the whole woild (why not?)": Because he had just hit Kennedy in the head and no longer had a target to shoot at. Duh.
An interview I watched said that Ruby's lawyer Bella had got him a psychologist by the name of dr. West. And doctor West was part of the MC Ultra studies being done by CIA on acid. And I'm Doctor West first visit he said Ruby had a psychotic episode while he was in there with him. This guy he had the evidence in the paperwork to prove it. That's when Ruby started hearing voices and begin to say he could hear the Jews being slaughtered in the jail. I'm sure you can find it on UA-cam. But I took the man has a serious person with this facts together
Yes, "Jolly" West.. He was involved with the manipulation of Charles Manson.
@@1953childstar thanks, I checked that out and it looks to be definitely true. I did not know this , you hear a lot of things some not so , but I found that was a eye opening moment. You got me digging in deeper now. Appreciate the insight. I'm a lifelong student of History not much on everything being a conspiracies however they do happen and I would suspect more often then one would think. If you've got any more insight especially on that level I'm all ears or eyes in this case. Well appreciated
Glad I read the comments before wasting my time.
He lauds the Warren Commission's report, but says they ignored marina Oswald's testimony that Connolly was the real target. He says Oswald didn't have the money to travel around Texas to shoot the governor, but Oswald had recently traveled to Mexico City. Very weak presentation.
Total BS
This is another attempt to sanitize this whole issue. Before the $19 Carcano they found a different rifle I believe was an M-1 then it was replaced by the Carcano allegedly because it tied Oswald to the crime. The other rifle allegedly found was more common but Carcanos were rare. Why would Oswald say he was a patsy? A patsy is one who gets the blame for a crime he did not commit. As far as Jack Rubinstein was concerned why do they leave out Dorothy Kilgallen who tied Ruby to the crime? In any Conspiracy there is a cleanup afterward where a whole lot of people are mysteriously murdered. I think there is a long line of mysterious deaths. The cleanups began with Oswald slain by Ruby then many others including the Zapruders themselves. Sorry but to me this looks like another attempt to sanitize the whole event. The politicians all belong to the Bohemian Grove the Masons the Builderbergs the Jesuits and the Talmudein & the Skull & Bones & the CIA involvement with the Mafia. How many involved with this ended up becoming President including Johnson and Bush. There is the question of motive and am I just to sit by and think this whole damn thing was nothing more than a "fortunate" accident to so many that hated JFK for many reasons? Then there is the question of how the head of JFK moved and how the corpse was doctored. He does not mention the car windshield the glass Cyril Wecht the doctoring of the corpse, the two sightings of Oswald on different sides of town @ the same time. The mysterious resemblance of Officer Tippet to JFK, and the connection of Ruby to Oswald. & Oh MY GOD do not mention how JFK turned down Operation Northwoods.false flag action to get Cuba back or how JFK wanted to dismantle the CIA. Dont mention JFK wanting to restore a more conservative monetary system to the gold standard. Dont mention JFK's dads connection to the Mafia & how they got him elected or Bobby's crackdown of the Mafia. Dont mention the DEATHBED CONFESSION of E. Howard Hunt that Hunt was a Bench Warmer in the assassination plot against JFK. Dont mention the grassy noll or the storm drain. Of course you still need the magic bullet.
No.. the whole scenario is magic!
The word "patsy" was not commonly
understood amongst the public in those days.
His message was for his handlers.
His saviours either laid low,
or were prevented from helping him.
Oswald was an intelligent, well read young man who got in too deep.
(A) The story of the extra rifle is a myth started when one of the cops saw Oswald's rifle and in the heat of the moment misidentified it, later corrected.
(B) In the full clip Oswald is clearly saying he was a patsy in regards to being hassled by the Man because he lived in Russia, not because he thought he was being framed by a sinister coup for assassinating the President of the United States.
(C) Mr. Kilgallen had one over-the-railing exchange with Ruby during a break in the courtroom during his trial, where he said absolutely nothing explosive or dangerous to a conspiracy. Her research was only going to be one chapter of a larger book on famous trials she covered that she wasn't planning on publishing for many months, hardly an urgent expose and she blew no plots in her weekly news column. She didn't die until *twenty months* after her talk with Ruby.
(D) I must have missed the news of the Zapruders being whacked.
(E) The direction a person's head moves after being shot (and it would likely only move a couple of inches anyway) is irrelevant to what direction the bullet came from
(F) The corpse was not doctored. The only reason to do that would be to cover up that there were two shooters. Why would a conspiracy worry about that at all? So what if it's clear there were two shooters? Just say Oswald must have had an unexpected accomplice who got away. How does that foil their plan or threaten them at all? How is doing that more dangerous and risky than messing around with ballistics (requiring approaching and recruiting the ballitics boys on the police department to risk their careers becoming accessories), making a huge spectacle of "stealing" Kennedy's body out of Dallas (requiring approaching and recruiting JFK's own secret service agents to risk their careers becoming accessories) and screwing with the body and the autopsy later (requiring approaching and recruiting the military personnel and doctors at Bethesda to risk their careers becoming accessories)? And, no, neither cops, agents or military people are under any obligation to obey illegal orders to obey crimes.
(G) The "mysterious resemblance" between Tippit and JFK .... are you for real?
(H) Hunt was a cook without credibility.
(I) If the stretcher bullet was planted, first of all it's amazing multiple computer analysis tests over the years have plausibly lined up the victims' injuries on a direct trajectory with Oswald's window, but I await the conspiracy theorist who can explain how these plotters knew, before anybody outside the limo could possibly have known the nature of anybody's injuries, that they had to be hanging around Parkland with a bullet that could be matched to Oswald's rifle, missing the right amount of lead, get in and out of the secured emergency ward without anyone ever seeing them do it, know in advance Connally has been shot at all and that the bullet is not still firmly lodged in his body, know where to plant it where it can be plausibly tied to Connally's stretcher, and know that it won't simply prove to be one bullet too many in evidence that will just blow the whole plot anyway.
@@markrymanowski719 "Patsy" was commonly understood. More crap. His "handlers"?? Do you even realize what you sound like?
@@peterfraser9070
Not understood by law abiding citizens.
A lot of people didn't know about the CIA.
This info i got from Jim Marrs.
He was a young budding journalist
back then.
He knew the terrain.
Try not insulting people for a change.
You're showing your country up
as well as yourself.
The fact that the author is continually led by the interviewer tells me that his credibility is in constant question.
This guy described himself as a storyteller, he also mentioned that he spent 10 years teaching ‘creative writing’, says it all really.
He laughs when saying that Ruby failed a lie detector test multiple times, I wonder how he himself would fare being tested during this discussion.
Hickey's Colt Armalite AR15 01 we now know didn’t have a BURST mode, it had an AUTO mode.
And we can be fairly certain that agent Hickey accidentally fired an auto burst of at least 4 shots, probably 5, possibly 6. Here is my 6-shot scenario & timeline. The AR15 01 probly fired at 400 rpm.
Shot-6 is the last shot, the JFK headshot (at Zapruder frame Z313). The remnant slug exits & cracks the windshield just left of the mirror. Anyhow, whether JFK was hit by Shot-6 or Shot-5 or Shot-4, it was the last shot that hit him - as the AR15 was falling - ie as agent Hickey was falling forward. Hickey was in the process of standing up to turn around to find a target near the TSBD, when the Queen Mary (the followup limo) braked, Hickey falling forward onto O'Donnell sitting in the jumpseat.
Shot-5 puts a dent in the chrome trim above & right of the mirror. Fragments dent the back of the mirror.
Shot-4 goes over the windshield & hits the tarmac of Elm St.
Shot-3 goes over the windshield & hits the concrete curb.
Shot-2 goes over the windshield & hits grass.
Shot-1 goes over the windshield & hits the tarmac of Main St & ricochets onto the curb 23'4" from the pier, near Tague. Tague's left cheek is stung & bloodied by a fragment of lead from Shot-1.
The 52 grain deformed remnant of what is probly the 55 grain slug from shot-1 or one of the later shots is found buried on top of the triple underpass by Lester using a detector in 1974.
Really??
No one saw or heard Hicked doing all that shooting and all those bullets must have magically disappeared. Those would be the only Magic Bullets, because there were no other magic bullets fired that day in Dealey Plaza.
@@peterfraser9070 I suggest that u read 2 books. Mortal Error by Menninger. JFK The Smoking Gun by McLaren.
Sorry You cannot shoot in just 7 seconds landing 3 shots with a bolt action and by the way JFK was wondering why LBJ wanted to come to so bad .
Your missing point.LBJ had it bad for Jackie and wanted to be wherever she was.He got what he wanted until LHO wrecked it.
Up to a later interrogation, Oswald hadn't known Gov. Connelly had also been shot
New American rule no one should be allowed to write a book on JFK if they don't mention the Abraham Zapruder it's clear as day. I guess in order to publish it you cannot put it in the books. 10000 different JFK books twenty thousand of them don't even mention the Abraham Zapruder film.
Was this recorded in a Secure-Facility for the wealthy deranged?
Why does no one ever connect the dots of how LHO could afford financially to take off weeks at a time to go to Mexico City, New Orleans, Russia We are told over and over how destitute Oswald was and could not keep a job then how could he afford to do these things?
He couldn't afford it and kept running out of money. His return ticket from Russia had to be paid by others.
He said that Oswald took a taxi home to get his side arm.. did anyone take a statement from that driver?
Of course they did, and he was extensively interviewed on television
You really need at least a tiny bit of knowledge about this subject.
It is simply not possible to determine if there were only 2 shots and not 3.
The weight of evidence supports 3 shots.
We know shots struck at Z223 and Z313 some 5 seconds apart from the Zapruder film. (18.2 frames per second)
The film shows reactions from a number of people who show concern circa Z155.....Connally especially and also he and Jackie in the Croft photo circa Z160....
However, it is true that more people stated only 2 shots that day than on record now. They changed their minds as the media reported 3 shots.
There is no evidence for more than 3 shots.
Reston could be right, but I doubt it........
The speed of the limo or approx 10mph required a lead of some 2 inches and the bullet would have dropped approx 2 inches due to gravity at 90 yards.....so the head shot would have required a lead of 4 inches above the head.
Connally was partially obstructed from view by JFK during the shooting.
The echo from the location gave off the affect of a third and fourth shot
There was only 2
Anything more than two shots and someone would have identified the shooter
One shot is enough to get attention, more than that will get you noticed!
think there were several shots some of them had silencers they only heard 3 or 4, hole in the windshield of Limo one in the chrome strip at the top of the windshield frame , one shot hit the curb, one bullet Burrowed in grass, Kennedy hit in the back the neck and the head the Gov, shot several places.
What a waste of time. Good to see that there are less than 1K views as of 9/2019, because this is nonsense. I'm not even going to waste any more time on this.
Even Gov Connally said, in his interview on the net, that 3 shots (not 2, as u've stated) were fired, & it was "BANG", on his rt wrist (then silence while he tried to turn right to see the President but since he couldn't see the President fm the corner of his rt eye, he began to twist himself to the left to try & see the President - accounts for a few seconds of silence), then he felt a hard punch on his back - "BANG BANG" - two consecutive shots; The latter two consecutive shots could not come from a bolt action rifle of the type used in WWI. Without a convincing clarification on this, ie BANG.... Bang Bang..., the discussion does not move forward regarding LHO shooting the latter "two consecutive shots". Further, the Zapruder film, observed frame by frame, can tell us whether the Gov was struck first by the bullet(s) & whether same bullet(s) Theron struck the President, or whether
It wasn't a crazy hypothesis. It isn't outre in the extreme as for example the idea that a Secret Service agent accidentally shot him. Yet the paperwork that is in the public record now that the CIA had trained Oswald under the aegis of the Office of Naval Intelligence before going to Russia, his association with ex-FBI agent Guy Banister, in an office building flanked by the local Secret Service office and of Naval Intelligence for New Orleans, and Oswald being seen conversing with people in the garage servicing the cars of those offices showing him receiving packets from someone there, all hint at some possible relationship with FBI, ONI and by extension from Banister as well as ONI, the CIA... As one member of the HSCA put it, the fingerprints of intelligence were all over Oswald's activities.
Why is Oswald's C201 record classified? Why on earth would his tax income records be classified?
So the author does string out a good story. A forlorn, angry man, bearing the cross of a dis-honorable discharge, struggling getting work, etc., taking a pot shot at Connally like it was his fault, unable to stop shooting like it was an orgasm, accidentally . . or would it be compulsively? . .. killing JFK . . And continuing on in an orgy of rage killing Tippit and then trying to shoot the cops in the theater . . . with two halves of dollar bills in his pocket . . . a clandestine meet up trick to idee an unknown contact . . .
I'd say he got half the story about right, but is missing a major component
All hangs with this question:
- when could Oswald have known if, in what car, where Connolly would be seated.
Still possible, Oswald was aware of an assassination plot and fired warning shots at objects in such fashion, that he assumed, security would immediately secure JFK from shooters nearby
It was once said, Oswald had saved JFK's life, as he had briefed to secret service about a murder plot in Chicago
There could thus be double anger, never having received a letter from JFK or CIA.
In that case, Oswald would not have hesitated in order to get Connolly, to fire right through JFK if a first shot had failed to strike Connolly
Compliments to this vantage point having been elaborated though.
Real pros use indeed mothers finest, meaning, silencers and special amo
The Tippit murder makes no sense, unless there was a conspiracy
Tippit should have stopped and killed the passenger of a certain type of vehicle - it seemed.
But somejow another car was used and Tippit had failed.
However, Tippit should have been killed by the shooter in the car.
That car was some sort of jeep according to a passenger in a CIA- or unmarked plane, that was diverted to Dallas, to pick up two people from that jeep.
One of them looked like Oswald, but much taller, possebly then the other Lee Oswald
Tippit having failed, so still needed to be eliminated.
If Oswald was that good a shooter, Gen Walker had certainly been fatally struck. It must therefore have been a hired job to only frighten Walker, to lay off specific plans.
This shoot but miss job may have been a reward. So when Oswald learned through the same kind of contacts of a possible Dallas plot against JFK, he sort of improvised the same toutine: warning shots
And thus claim a reward, should security have done its job on the first sound of a misfire motor cycle - which did not happen, so he fired 2 more
One young security member was inexperienced and and happened to unintentionally fire while trying to turn in the direction of the sounds made by the warning shots of Oswald
He, the agent, accidentally fired the magic, not yet fatal bullet.
Shortly followed by the maffia hired hitman fired the fatal shot with a silencer and special amo
Meanwhile also Oswald had fired his last bullet aimed at the middle of the windshield
Proud of what he had done and unaware of what really had happened as he was in a different mindset, he made no effort to flee, but takes a coke
As he figures out JFK was hit, he went to his room to get his gun and hide in a public place, knowing they will now suspect him as part of the plot that he intended to warn for
@William Murray Thanks for your great piece of helpful expertise. Pls continue in sharing.
@Sheri Daggett It has already been convincingky established Chicago-Nevado mob organised the gross plannings, Toni Arcado transport hijacking racket with then young James " Files" Sutton.
Google for James Files, Remmington, Grassy and Wim Dankbaar who managed to make Files speak out, or late Peter R de Vries. It fits sublimely with all Gianni Russo (google Russo JFK Oswald Valuetainment / Patrick David) as messenger/money envelopes boy of Frank Costello has told about a meeting where he accidentally happened to run into Oswald as he entered the bathing room (toilet) and was send over on a cruise ship to Europe.
Files used a Remmington XL from behind the picket fence at the Grassy Knowls to release the head shot.
The main reason of us living is to crack codes of what the experienced world is constituted from. For that matter it is useful how things have evilved around this assassination.
The other shooter was Nicoletti assisted by Roselli, from the Texas Building 2nd Floor under renovation.
The same is the case with the gospels (Jesus) puzzle, that was solved in 1976 by Pierre Krijbolder. The same goes withcracking the truths behind bio labs and vaccine research. Oswald was involved as a CIA undercover asset, with the New Orleans bio lab, to develop a cancer pathogen from monkey kidneys.
so stupid. jesus.
if Oswald knew there'd be a plot he might be set up for he could have just gone outside with lots of people around and no one could say he was the shooter. Instead, Oswald was the guy up there shooting. Yes, Oswald knew there was an assassination plot against Kennedy; it was his.
@William Murray There was one rifle found; the Manlicher-Carcano - it was incorrectly identified as a German Mauser. There was ONE rifle. The two rifle story is just more silly foolishness.
The secret service accidentally shot JFK with a new weapon named the m16
Wasn’t it an AR15? Or are they the same thing?
@@Modelo118 they are the same, M16 is the Military designation
Etienne Ah I see 👍🏼
@@Modelo118 Armalite with .223 ammo.
First and last time I want to hear from this, so called, "best selling author"!!
I have watched many interviews with the doctors and emergency personnel at Parkland Hospital. None of them mention removing the back brace or working around it as they worked to save the President’s life. Me. Reston says he inspected the brace at the National Archives. Therefore, I would assume it was among the President’s effects, along with his shirt and jacket. Does anyone know how and when it was removed? One of the commenter’s below says they have his book. Does he comment in the book?
It was removed in Trauma room one at approx 12:45 Nov 22 1963. Dallas.
I have seen a video somewhere on UA-cam with one of the trauma room doctors speaking about removing the brace
Yes they weren’t worried about his back
They were worried about the
Head injury .
@@jrbonner5858 AKA, the "lack of brain matter"..
Dr. Jenkins mentioned this fact of Kennedy wearing the brace in a UA-cam posted by Dr Jenkins' daughter.
Spoken like a Warren Commission Book Salesman. With the immobilizing shellfish toxin from Umbrellaman's 2 darts, I don't think the back brace would have made much difference. Ask yourself WHY 33rd Degree Mason, Abraham Zapruder's family got millions for the Z film while Orville Nix's family never got one dime.
I always thought that myself that Abraham zapruder was in on it if they're going to kill the president why not make a movie of it so they can sit and watch it with there whiskey and cigars, and bring David ferry and the boys around to get up to whatever hahaha dirt bags. Also Abraham zapruder had vertigo how on earth was he standing up filming where he was always puzzled me
A whole lot of events surrounding Dallas doesn't make sense
@@anthonyreidy8230 Zapruder's secretary Marilyn Sitzman, who talked him into doing the filming, stood next to him and held him steady. While Sitzman stood behind Zapruder and held his coat to steady him, he began filming the presidential motorcade as it turned from Houston Street onto Elm Street in front of the Book Depository.
@@tvfun32 what's your point
Reston wrote a terrific book over two decades ago chronicling the Pete Rose betting scandal called Collision at Home Plate......this seems like book in search of an idea.....$$$$????
Columbo: There are a couple of loose ends I'd like to tie up, sir. Nothing important you understand. Actually, so far, sir, we don’t have a thing.
Hickey: Well, that’s heartening.
Columbo: Officially, that is.
Hickey: And unofficially?
Columbo: Unofficially, we don’t have anything either.
Hickey: So, when did you first suspect me?
Columbo: As it happens, sir… the first time i read the report.
Hickey: That can’t be possible.
Columbo: Well sir, little things bother me. Like when i was looking for the tests done on your AR15, & the bullets. Especially your sworn witness testimony, sir.
Hickey: There were no tests, & i wasn’t called as a witness.
Columbo: Yes, that's what i mean sir. It's just one of those things that got in my head and kept rolling around in there like a marble
Columbo: My wife was a great fan of JFK sir.
Hickey: Well, tell her it was just rotten luck.
Columbo: Yes sir, u were just doing your job.
Hickey accidentally fires off some rounds and no one sees or hears this? The bullets all disappear??
@@peterfraser9070 U have already read my postings where i explain every slug -- 4 or 5 or 6 ovem.
Re witnesses -- buy Mortal Error & JFK The Smoking Gun.
The only mystery was the spent casings -- but Hickey had deep pockets.
Decent chance someone told Connolly don't worry about riding in the same car, these guys don't miss.
Just recently learned that Jackie said LBJ and JFK had a heated, hour-long shouting match the night before at the Ft. Worth hotel about Connally riding in the same car. LBJ did not want his long-time, best friend riding in the car. JFK insisted.
I watched an interview the Connollys gave at their home. When talking about the event, Nelly Connolly repeats what she said to her husband as the shooting was taking place . . “they’re going to kill us all”. I noticed the expression on her face when she realised what she had said, it spoke volumes.
@@FUNKINETIK yeah, it’s telling, but someone could always say he meant they in general. Still, whole official story is garbage.
Now the Gent up top refers to Connally wanting to be compensated for his account on the ordeal now if that doesn't scream some inside shit went on then what does?? Given account to what happens he should of went off the record with that rather than seeking compensation given the nature surrounding the matter
"...Connally wanting to be compensated for his account on the ordeal now if that doesn't scream some inside shit went on then what does??": Are you implying Connolly was part of a conspiracy or cover up?? Now THAT is what is some shit.
Well, well....
What some people will say, to sell a book! 🙄
I have a question about the single bullet theory: Why do people say the bullet entered lower than the exit?
Maybe because the back of his jacket & shirt were scrunched up? This would make the entry holes appear to be lower than in reality when the material was viewed straightened out.
@@sirbarringtonwomblembe4098 Yes, thank you. In fact, that and a rough drawing are two major origins of the CT magic bullet theory; as opposed to the real-life single bullet conclusion. It's sad.
I propose the following sequence of actions by Oswald & Brennan, based on Brennan's words.
LHO's are Oswald's actions. [Brennan's actions are in brackets].
The Z numbers are the frame numbers of the Zapruder footage which actually starts at Z133 in the final sequence, running at 18.3 fps.
Z numbers before Z133 are pseudo numbers based on estimates of timings.
Z000 minus a few minutes. [Brennan sees Oswald in the window some minutes before JFK arrives]
Z000 minus a few minutes. [Brennan climbs up & sits on the curved brick wall on the south-west corner of Elm & Houston]
Z002. LHO sees JFK approaching along Houston St. Click…Click (ejects empty casing)(loads bullet).
Z002. [Brennan watches JFK along Houston St & turning onto Elm St]
Z080. LHO aims rifle at JFK as limo turns onto Elm St.
Z112. LHO fires Shot-1 as the limo straightens.
Z113. The slug ricochets off the overhead signal arm & makes a hole in the floor of the limo (hole found Dec 1963).
Z112. [Brennan hears Shot-1 & thinks it is a backfire or a firecracker][he continues to watch JFK along Elm St]
Z122. LHO Click…Click.
Z133.................................... The Zapruder footage 2nd sequence starts at Z133.
Z133. [In the footage we see Brennan sitting on the wall]
Z152. LHO aims. A tree blocks a clean shot.
Z207. [Our last view in the footage of Brennan sitting on the wall][After Z207 Brennan is out of frame]
Z207. [The footage shows that at no time during Z133 to Z207 has Brennan looked up towards Oswald]
Z217. [Brennan's last view of JFK -- koz a shrub now blocks Brennan's view down Elm St]
Z217. LHO fires Shot-2. The slug hits JFK & Connally (the magic bullet).
Z218. [Brennan hears Shot-2 & realizes that it was a rifle]
Z225. [Brennan looks up & sees Oswald aiming a rifle at JFK]
Z227. LHO Click…Click.
Z255. LHO aims. Sees that JFK has been hit. Decides not to shoot his last bullet (why?).
Z268. LHO stands up & backs away from window, looking at JFK.
Z268. [Brennan sees Oswald stand up & back away & look]
Z280. [Brennan jumps off the wall, & ducks behind a solid section of wall 12 ft away & lays on the grass]
Z313. LHO steps further back from window, still looking, sees agent Hickey shoot JFK in the head.
Z313. [Brennan is laying on grass behind the wall & doesn't hear Hickey's shot(s)]
Z322. LHO walks to the stairs, wiping the rifle, & hides it. There is a 3rd bullet in the rifle. LHO does not pick up his rifle-bag nor the 3 empty casings near the window.
Z400. [Brennan leaves the wall & talks to a cop]
......................................[Brennan heard 2 shots & saw none]
you're full of crap.
"Z113. The slug ricochets off the overhead signal arm & makes a hole in the floor of the limo (hole found Dec 1963).": This is where you gave yourself away; there is no Z frame 113 and no bullet went into the limo floor. You start off with stupid mistakes and get worse and worse from there.
@@peterfraser9070 Working backwards the ricochet was at pseudo frame Z113, but Holland i think said Z103 (he might be correct).
The hole in the limo floor was found in Dec1963 when the limo was stripped for armour plating etc. There is a photo of hole. There is a magazine article re hole. There is an FBI memo re hole.
@@atheistaetherist2747 but that was the bullet that indirectly caused the little cheek wound on James Tague. Do you know who James Tague is?
@@peterfraser9070 Tague was wounded when SSA Hickey accidentally fired an auto burst of his AR15 just before Z313.
A accident my ass. He was about to take their playhouse down so they had to take them out.
Upward trajectory shot from the sewer opening by Jack Allen Lawrence.
I have been saying this for years before this man wrote his book. To me it is so obvious -- John Connolly was the one who signed Oswald's dishonorable discharge.
Oswalds conviction should have become circumstantial at best (within truthful reasonable doubt). JR perceives firstly (whereas the Warren Commission asserts exclusively) that LHO was the lone assassin but here some mummified guy interceded the bullets path (twice). Couldn't watch all of this very imaginative review, but how does JR explain James Tague's injuries? Like "Mortal Error" if ones literary skills are adequate, catching the JFKA band-wagon in any obscure fashion will win best-seller notarity. It's a livin I suppose & what's another unjust nail into the Great American Martyr's coffin anyhoo. 🐏
I must say, I thought that was quite a fascinating session. I have the Reston book and over 400 others on the case. It is possible that Oswald had thought about shooting Connally and possibly then changed his mind.
They did want Oswald to be the Patsy.. Oswald was led under the impression he was going to get to take out Connally, unaware that they had their own agenda which was to take out Kennedy.. when Oswald fired his shot off there was a hesitation because Oswald was trying to see the effect of his shot when he discovers his shot layed down Connally was when he started making his book depository exit..moreover, Oswald was a lousy shooter, because he hit the wrong target when he struck Kennedy in the neck and when it exited hitting Connally laying him out Oswald either thought he had succeded,or was being set up when Kennedy was taken out with a second shot he knew he didn't send .. look at the confused look on Oswald face afterwards he seemed baffled by what was transpiring
Kennedy was being lead straight into across fire leaving Oswald thinking he was alone gunman..when all was said and done they marched right into the book depository and retrieved that riffle knowing exactly where it would be.. does the m-16 and carcano mannlicher shoot the same rounds?, Cos if not then u can rule out the m-16 usage and say there were dual mannlichers present that day not just Oswalds.. they knew what he would be using, how hard would that be to immulate.. they had other men on Kennedy, regardless of Oswalds actions they had scheduled to get Kennedy on that day so everything was already in place ,they just needed Oswald to be in the right place at the wrong time.. it could also be possible he didn't fire and did change his mind, and if that occurred then secondary protocol took over.. (those extra mannlichers remember??) Owsald is on record stating he didn't do it,and that he was a Patsy, but the evidence was far too powerful to prove otherwise at that time, they just took him too fast he had no backup plan and no real chance to escape cos he didn't think it thru that far ahead, which is why he was wondering around the streets of Dallas trying to get his shit together and trying to figure out wtf just happened when they captured him in the movie theater,when he shot that cop he fucked up, not that he hadn't already but definitely consumed himself when he did that cos they were on to him from that point on
They simply needed Oswald to divert it onto, nothing else.. They needed the real shooter to get away and the Patsy to be dumb to it all.. now if you're Oswald,and you're sitting in that window with whichever one is in his cross hairs and suddenly shots go off u didn't send but you done got caught with your gun and everything looks just how it was designed too for you.. wow,man they played his ass..
Oswald probably got down to the station and got to running that mouth a lil too much or not enough but at some point some calls were made,then enters Jack Ruby to shut him up before he exposes who put him up to it, and with Oswalds silenced and out of the way they can put the jacket on him,he can't dispute none of it, his prints are on the weapon they say was used, they've placed him to be the lone shooter in the book depository window, and he's killed a policeman, and his history didn't make this any better for him, it made him the perfect candidate for the task at hand because they were going to need someone to take the fall for that shit and he got elected... Just judging Oswald seemed to be in a bad way down in Texas and was looking for away out of his situation and with the whole dishonorable discharge thing lingering over his head definitely became his sword of Damocles
Now got dammit if this ain't it, I bet I ain't too GD far!!!
There’s having your head in the sand and then there’s this guy.
There’s having your head in the sand and then there’s this guy. who has his head up his as#.
I know all this because it's the way I would of done it, and just like now you'd still be none the wiser..
I don’t know what Zapruder film he’s watching, but the throat shot DEFINITELY DID NOT hit the governor… I think the governor was hit last personally by what I see.
"low-grade rifle?" Someone previously stated that they were "Cheap" but accurate and were many of these rifles were in use as big game killing rifles.
A marine would use an M-1 which they all trained on and would never order one in the mail when M-1s were all over Texas and you could buy one with no questions asked or anyway to trace it.
@@ronniebishop2496 This one did, Mr. Know-it-all.
@@peterfraser9070 No he didn’t fire a shot.
WC offered a variety of motives for Oswald but made no determination. From their report...
"Many factors were undoubtedly involved in Oswald's motivation for the assassination, and the Commission does not believe that it can ascribe to him any one motive or group of motives."
Kennedy was not soft on Cuba either. But I doubt Oswald had any particular love of Kennedy and saw him as a target of opportunity rather than any real deep political motivation. He bought the weapons to use to murder rather thsn any self defence or hunting.
Yarbrough was lamenting the brace contributed to Kennedy’s death rather than protecting Connally.
you buy into oswald did it.no he didnt
@@randallanthony1794 but you have nothing to back that up except a lot of ignorant and silly stories
One of the most ridiculous statement s Reston makes surrounds Oswald heading off to kill Connally with his handgun , but was , somehow , locked in the bathroom by his wife until he has time to calm down . Don't bathrooms lock from the inside ?
Evidentally , not in the Oswald household , where people don't need privacy in the bathroom but would rather potentially. be locked in the bathroom by anyone passing down the hallway . This guy is a good creative writer . Very creative .
You probably mis heard.
James Reston is the last person to expect an objective answer from.
Totally counter-intuitive.
They should call it the Muddy Waters Institute.
No way was there only two shots. There is a mountain of evidence for more than three or more shots. One early account from a local Dallas newspaper reported “a volley of automatic weapons fire” which quickly disappeared from print.
@TestKanal Ha Ha
This man should be called Stretch Armstrong
I think it is an interesting perspective. The piece that has never fit for me is why would LHO target Kennedy who was perhaps the most " left" ( or seemingly so) president they had had? A man who defused tensions with Russia? The shot at Wallace and being empowered by a lack of an investigation after is a great point. With a 9th grade education and a ton of rage, he might of thought he could get away with it by stashing a rifle and leaving the building. But I don't necessarily buy the impulse to keep shooting. They are also wrong about the moving target because on the head shot Greer practically jammed the breaks to rubber neck. It was essentially a standing target at that point.
and the car was like a stationary target (yes, it's true) even before he slowed the car down. And it really doesn't seem like it was a very political act, shooting Kennedy, but instead a very personal one.