Is it time to say goodbye to the gas stove?
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- Опубліковано 31 бер 2021
- The debate over which stove to use is moving beyond our kitchens, and into our energy grid. More and more research is showing that natural gas is not the harmless energy source it was once thought to be. As some cities are taking action in the race to reduce emissions, the natural gas industry is fighting back. The last big battleground? Our stovetops.
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What do you think it would take to phase out of gas stoves?
For our government and schools to educate the public, and offer healthy rebates for purchasing an induction range. I've been looking at a new on demand water heater and the power company is offering a healthy rebate that helps with the upgrade cost.
A lot of modifications in building. Thats for sure.
making electricity cheaper and induction stoves cheaper
both are the 'expensive' option, and that's really the only thing holding them back
no. Wok needs gas stove. Electric just doesn't have the fire power I need. If I were to find an electric stove that have such power, the circuit breaker in my old apartment won't allow me to use it.
there's no way you can do this ua-cam.com/video/3gF44PXZXNc/v-deo.html on electricity.
@Verge Science I get it if you are looking it at the end point electricity is better than gas. so the question is, how is electricity being made? are we getting electricity without polluting the environment? stats please.
Watching this from Brazil where almost everyone has a gas stove. But the gas we use doesn't come in pipes, we actually buy a cylinder and keep it in our houses, which usually lasts about two months.
Reminding that gas cylinders dosen't have Natural Gas, but rather liquefied petroleum gas.
The mixture is buthane and propane, not methane.
But LPG cylinders(butane and propane) are less pollutant than the PNG (piped natural gas). Better switch to LPG cylinders
@@ripper5941 In energy density yes, but in operational costs and efficiency, no. To fill lpg cylinders requires a pump that pressurizes to nearly 10 times the pressure of a natural gas line, that uses energy. Then you have to transport the cylinder from the filling station to the home, that uses energy. Then you have to manufacture the tank which also uses energy. The tank has a working life of 20 to 30 years and then its decommissioned. Lastly, transport of pressurized cylinders is far more dangerous than a low pressure underground line that is not subject to hazardous road conditions.
same in the philippines.
@@xxRamD3yruxx not true. theres zero cylinder accidents via road.
In many places in Philippines, electricity costs are high. That's why gas stoves are more common than electric stoves
Philippines is mostly an underdeveloped country and it's not necessarily important for them to somehow leapfrog the US on this. Instead, the US should develop, deploy, and broadly scale up alternatives to natural gas like wind and solar generation, battery tech, induction stoves and mini splits, then let the more affordable tech reach less wealthy countries at lower price points in the near future. This is exactly what happened with telephone service: the west spent billions developing cell phone networks to replace landlines, and India got the second manufacturing run of that equipment for cheap which allowed them to completely skip the much more costly landline networks for telephones.
@@Joe-ij6of But there were landline telephone networks in India (though mostly owned and run by state owned company BSNL) liberalisation of communication is what changed the telecom marketplace.
In Mexico is the same, non of the houses use electricity stoves.
In our part of the country, it's even worse because of the frequent long blackouts/power interruption.
Why not use both? You still pay for what you use only.
At 6:54, you showed an electric stove top hob, not an induction cooktop. Induction cooktops do not glow red.
This. Hard to convince people to switch to induction when even the editor of the video itself haven't seen one in their life 😂
Maybe that is a induction stove, the camera might be seeing some of the infrared radiation emitted by the induction cooktop surface, because unless you put some cooking utensil on top of it it doesn't start.
@@ashutoshmourya4748 you wouldn't get the top hot unless there was cookware recently put there and heated up. If you just turn it on the coil turns on but does not generate noticeable heat.
Dude's got an RGB gaming stove
@@ashutoshmourya4748 Wrong, induction cooktops create magnetic fields, a camera will not see that. The editor clearly hasn't ever used an induction cooktop and this is the problem. Most people don't know there's a difference between radiant cooktops and induction cooktops.
The main reason my family uses a gas stove is because we have an unreliable grid. If it's the dead of winter and an ice storm takes out the power for a week the stove can keep the family warm and we can still make food. We don't all live in sunny California.
And this is an important point, because you can't apply the same things for everyone, we probably have a lot of time ahead of us where some fossil fuels might be necessary but that doesn't mean that most of the world shouldn't do important changes like this.
We have rolling blackouts every year in Southern California, I'm sticking with natural gas.
This is a Democrat run state.
@Neil Deep conservatives have nothing to do with my grid. I don't think we should start framing infrastructure as a left and right thing. Building up a grid for people on the left and right is a huge undertaking the requires alot of skilled smart people to come together and get alot of complex things sorted out and built.
$$ rules. Whichever is cheaper is what people will use. Usually NG is cheaper than propane and electric.
It is frightening to read that Blackouts still occur in the US
As a chef I much prefer industrial gas burners at work. At home I'm happy to use induction.
I do think it should be allowed for professional use, but banned from home construction.
More restaurant kitchens are going induction. Induction takes the heat out of the kitchen plus with the numeric settings on the dial you can fine-tune the recipes and make production more uniform.
@@PatrickPecoraro I like the instant heat you get from a gas burner, also easier to use the flame to flombe sauces. Also you can use any pan, or a hot plate, griddle ect on a gas burner.
problem I have for induction is it only goes up to about 1500w because of the 110v, and the 3 phase 220v one are super expensive
@@PatrickPecoraro That is not the point, I think.
For a professional, tools are very important. The source of heat is one of those tools.
In South Africa it is essential. We have rolling blackouts from time to time so induction can be problematic.
Granted, we mainly use LPG (propane/butane) in our stoves, not natural gas (methane)
Exactly
The thing is, if gas use wasn't so widespread then the problems creating the blackouts would be solved.
As someone originally from Louisiana, the thing that makes me really love gas stoves is that they’ll work when the power goes out. I moved to Texas a little while ago, and the fact that my house has a gas stove in it helped me a lot with feeding my family during the power outage.
For me to really be comfortable with an *all* electric home (something I would LOVE) I’d need some kind of way to feel safe in the event of a power outage. Wether that’s having solar panels on my home (we’re renting right now so that’s out lol) to generate local electricity for myself, having a generator, or just... you know, not having a government that wants to kill people to “keep the feds out.”
Completely agree with you. During the February storm, power was completely out in TX and we were at least able to feed ourselves with the gas stoves and warm ourselves with gas fireplace. Even backup generators usually work on natural gas or propane. I see the environmental concern as well, but with the temperatures as extreme as it has been in recent years - I would want some form of a backup resource - like NG - which would in turn again contribute to the greenhouse gases - which again also cause extreme temperatures. It's a catch 22. No perfect solution. Solar + Battery backups etc are all great options, but they are expensive.
And solar will go out too if they are hooked to the grid and the power goes out.
@@saulgoodman2018 Isn't that why you have batteries that charge off your solar panels?
@@FoodTechLife And not everyone has batteries with solar.
@@saulgoodman2018 I guess it's a good thing to think about then and maybe that's why I hear about that tesla home battery in the media or even for actual power grids like the one tesla built for Australia.
This Video only applies to the US. Fracking is prohibited in Europe for example and American regulations on oil/gas leaks is infamously soft. Misbehavior only gets punished when it is too late and something really catastrophic has happened.
If memory serves correct here, Europe gets a majority of their natural gas from Russia and the US so at least some of the emissions there can be attributed to European consumption
@@a-shockingly-generic-name Central and Eastern Europe almost exclusively cover their gas consumption with Russian gas. And with the new undersea pipelines Nordstream 1 and 2 this won't change quickly imho.
No, it applies to anywhere which uses a lot of natural gas ... including all of Europe but especially the UK
@@jrisner6535 I have to disagree. The video assumes that gas is produced everywhere the way it is produced in the US. That assumption does not hold when looking at large gas exporter of Europe which are Russia, Norway and the Netherlands. Those countries have invested heavily in their infrastructure to get their gas to market efficiently.
Furthermore, gas power plants are needed to smoothen-out the demand curve, especially before the background of potential dark-dulls. Germany almost had 2 black-outs this year, thanks to supply issues. Having blackouts is sad for a non-developing nation.
We were without electricity for weeks during this last winter storm. What kept us warm and allowed us to keep cooking? Yep, natural gas.
That’s a question of corruption rather than efficiency.
@@SolvayConference Um no, I'm not in Texas.
Although at the same time, with terrible winter storms it could’ve easily also cracked your pipes. Both are susceptible to the weather, although electricity can actually be made on the spot. Gas cannot. Also, the electricity grid in Texas is massively outdated and not weatherproofed for these kinds of environmental changes at all.
Lots of gas pipes cracked and depressurised over the course the recent giant storm. I don’t think it helped everyone as a result, considering the number of people who do have furnaces who couldn’t even use them because of a lack of power and the gas pressure being too low because a bunch of pressurisation stations also were shut down. Isn’t it great how everything is incredibly interdependent?
@@danielwhyatt3278 It wasn’t just Texas that wasn’t winter-proofed, it was just the most obvious place. Lots of surrounding territory that had pipes normally below the frost line suddenly above it because it was so cold.
If electricity was cheap where I live I would've happily switched to electric.
Electric water heaters cost more to use per year than gas as well. Even the most efficient electric one cannot keep up.
@@Dryloch That’s why you’d have to use solar with it and stay in your house for the full length of the mortgage to pay everything off.
@@Dryloch Heat Pump (hybrid) water heaters cost less to operate than a gas water heater.
@@taylorlightfoot You are technically correct. The Energy guide is outdated on Gas water heaters though. It is assuming 1.09 a therm. Here in GA the cost is more like just under 50 cents a therm. That makes a gas heater cost $150.00 a year not the 300 shown on the label. The Hybrid shows about $100.00 on the label and at 12 cents a KW is about right for electricity in my area. So the Hybrid costs $50.00 a year less to operate but costs $500.00 more up front . It also has a ten year warranty vs 12 for the gas one. I suppose you could call it a draw in the end but paying $500 up front just to save it back over ten years is unlikely to appeal to that many people.
The electricity also mainly come from natural gas plant anyway for most countries
I recently graduated from Michigan State University. Lived in an 100 year old apartment. Had a stove pre 1990 cuz it used pilot lights for the burners. Best stove ever. Monthly gas bill was $15 on top of my $450 rent. I’m very pleased with gas ranges.
Just watched an 8 minute video about stoves thinking it was going to be some sort of joke
Lmao
6:45 this is clearly a message from the electromagnetic field industry lobby.
You should try out an induction stove. Great control and instant heat. A typical unit will output 1500 W which is no joke.
How could you forget that most electricity in the US is produced with "natural" gas?
EVERYONE forgets or does not know this... but they call themselves "educated".
The point is more time passes and more electricity production is switched to renewables. But you can't produce fossil fuels with renewables
Their scope was for a consumer product even though they didn't show an actual induction stove. Plus they didn't preface this scope with the caveat of electrical supply.
How could you forget that the world aint the US ?
The problem with electric cooking is the messaging. When people think electric, they think that metal stove that takes forever to heat up. Like the video says, electric induction is way better (you can get your cookware up to temperature basically instantaneously), it's just an issue of getting the word out - and the problem that phasing gas out is something that would take decades without financial incentives. People rarely replace their stove before it's broken past the point of repair, especially in rentals.
and cost. induction stoves are great... but expensive
instantaneously? Do they even exist?
@Aria Casteal you have never worked with a proper induktion stove than yes the coil ones are absolutely horrible.
@@iamdmc they're like 300$ on amazon.
The problem is that you have to replace a few pots and pans
Exactly, which is why those communities were trying to pass those ordinances, to prevent lock-in.
6:57 - That's not an induction stove... That's obviously a highlight stove FFS!
I got bitten by that one. Back when I was searching for an apartment, I asked the management company if they had induction ranges, and they said yes. They did not.
@@EvanBoyar Most people don't know the difference. Even most realtors. And that is the problem preventing people fro letting go of their gas cooking and the video didn't do a good job educating people on the differences in electric vs induction. They're both electric, but completely different.
Is the highlight stove worse?
@@PopulotusBoogiedown They are literally just a standard coil with a glass plate over the top with LEDs to show if the burner is hot. My parents got fooled by one of these fakes... the salesperson even said that it was an induction cooker... by the time they became aware months later that they had been duped, it was too late to return it (and I think that my mom was too embarrassed to go back to the store)
I wonder how many people like my parents have been duped.
@@FreeManFreeThought it's a good thing for me to be aware of when looking for a place. I still live at my mom's house. Thanks for your advice. But does it function less efficiently or something like that? I don't get the negatives really.
In my country, South Africa, we cannot rely on electricity to be provided on a constant/regular basis so the only way to ensure I get to eat dinner is to have gas.
I wish we only had gas in America. I hate electric ovens
The situation with gas stoves seems to be different in each country: for example, here in Spain, the majority of stoves already are electric, although a lot of gas ones continue operating
I think its the same in all of eu maybe there is some regulation about it ?
Great video, but I feel like it's too focused in the US. So much so that I couldn't really relate, for instance, here in Brazil (at least for me and many others) it's very rare to non-existent for a house to have some sort of pipe line for gas specifically. In order to use our stoves we have to order directly for gas cylinders, of which aren't even natural gas, we mostly use lpg's or Liquefied petroleum gas which is a problem in it on itself. In short, I liked the video but it focuses on some problems of which are focused in one country, which misses the broader narrative. Anyway that's what I feel.
gas is what saved texas from freezing, its the best fuel to use
In the UK here and I agree. While the older generation here often favours gas hobs, induction are becoming more popular. The real issue with gas here is central heating - most run on gas. Rural areas oil-fired heating covers the lack of pipelines, but in large villages, towns and cities, gas central heating is the modern norm. There's huge industries around fitting and maintaining it. I don't even know off the top of my head what a good alternative would be. It's hugely ingrained to be the default.
It’s because it isn’t a huge problem to anyone but the U.S. As they kind of alluded to, Natural Gas isn’t really a problem, it’s the poor care of the facilities that are the problem. Natural gas itself has lower emission rates than propane which is considered one of the cleanest burning fuels, so it isn’t exactly a huge crisis. But America’s ineptitude of managing emission rates has made it so that it has to be addressed in a UA-cam video lol
The pipe is only a small part of the problem. As they pointed out, there are escaping emissions from fossil fuel infrastructure in general, which also produced your LPG. On the other hand, direct emissions of LPG from leaks at your home or incomplete combustion are less problematic than methane since propane's global warming potential is around 5 instead of 80+. On the gripping hand, you're still putting out noxious products into your home from burning gas.
Totally agree on being too US centered. In Iran, for example, there are huge gas reserves, and few powerful power plants (esp. nuclear). Not to mention, the big load the electrical grid gets because of air conditioning. So, the gas stoves is the obvious choice. No campaign or lobbying needed!
Remember - that the power companies have to turn water into steam somehow - and there's no guarantee that their method of providing electricity to your stove is any "greener" than a natural gas stove.
True-but an electric hob isn't venting into your home; and the same principle applies in reverse, in that the utility can hybridize and/or add renewable sources, whereas a stovetop cannot (unless completely replaced.)
Also you can pipe natural gas to a power plant. You have to use trains to move coal which also generates a ton of CO2 just getting it there for example from the coal mines in South Dakota to other states in my case Texas to the plants that still use coal.
I live in Texas and lost electricity for several days due to the ice storm of early 2021, my gas stove/oven made life much better than it would have been with an electric stove that wouldn't have worked to help feed and warm my family!
Yup. Went through Ike with 2 weeks no electricity. 3 days during Harvey followed by no cell signal/cable/internet for a month. 3 Days no power with Feb's storm. Had hot water all times thanks to gas water heater. And you can run a generator off your natuaral gas line. Not putting my eggs all in one basket. And definitely not our grid.
When you only talk about cons, you're pushing your preconceived notions
one thing that induction cooking top still can't do reliably: woks. You need to buy separate wok adapters or buy induction stove that have the rounded base for wok, except it's very rarely found on most induction stoves or if you find one, you'll lose one top that can only be used for woks when you want to use all of the tops. Sometimes for households that very often use woks, gas stove is still the primary choice
I’ve seen induction wok stoves (it’s a concave pit) and younger millennial and Gen z up and coming cooks and chefs swear by induction and not gas
@@brutustantheiii8477 You can only use the wok induction stove for woks... it's not multi use like a gas stove. So how much extra mining and carbon do you want to burn just to get an induction wok?
Cooking without gas (ie. with flame) doesn't feel the same. I swear it makes a difference to the food!
I prefer my induction range. I'd get rid of my furnace and go all electric, but don't want to pay for a new one yet.
It would probably be better to wait until it breaks, then put solar panels simply for the benefit of not paying electricity bill after 5-7 years.
And pay you will. Gas heat is so much cheaper than electric. First thing I did when I bought my house was rip out the electric hot water heater and electric heat pump. F both those money pits. My gas bill is a fraction what my electric bill was that first winter in the new home before I was able to remodel.
@@HomestarAK Properly weathered Solar or wind in your backyard would be even cheaper after you pay off the 5-7 year loan.
@@HomestarAK a resistive water heater is gonna cost more than gas, but a heat pump (if it really was) should have about the same running costs as gas. Given gas is usually 2-5x cheaper depending on the locale, while heat pumps move 3-5x the energy they pull from the wall. That cancels out.
I'm glad you brought up the electric top stoves being more expensive.
That's gonna be the real issues
Rapidly declining in price each year. IKEA sells many induction models and they're currently the cheapest option for a reputable brand (Frigidare manufactures their appliances) Amazon is also being flooded with lots of cheap options which I assume are being made in China. I installed a cheap 2 burner 240V induction cooktop from Amazon in a house I built and the thing has been amazing. It was under $200.
@@taylorlightfoot it's def getting better!
@@taylorlightfoot gas is cheaper than electricity
For people that live rurally, gas is an absolute necessity. Too often they are the last to have their electricity restored after bad weather.
From my personal experience I like the electric and induction tops more than gas once I got used to them but that's the annoying part, they cook everything a bit different. (plus new pans for induction)
Can't get a wok hot on the sides with electric or induction.
@@filonin2 There are special table-top induction stoves made just for woks, though they are very much a niche product (at least in the west).
You are limited to the cookware you can use with induction stoves. I like my gas for many things.
Can’t roast corn on induction
@@boygenius538_8 Can't roast marshmallows to make s'mores with electrical stoves when it's raining outside either.
After using gas for years, ceramic stove tops can be frustrating to use. But induction is absolutely amazing. If you are thinking about buying one, make sure it is powerful (there are huge differences). The boost mode on my Miele allows me to bring water to boil quicker than my trusty electric kettle. My pan gets hot really quick as well. Switching to induction was a quality of live update. Bare in mind that some of the pots don’t work with induction (e.g. copper or aluminum).
P.S.
In the area where we live we don’t have issues with power supply
"Well it better be self cleanin' because I think I'm gonna vomit. " - Hank Hill
I live in the American South on the coast. Hurricane season knocks out our power yearly, so having a gas stove is far better than having an electric stove here.
Here on the west coast we have earthquakes... and we all saw what gas explosions can do after an earthquake a few years ago in Christchurch NZ. There's a lot of unease around gas among those who pay attention to these sorts of things (not all the concerns are environmental), but governments are too invested in gas to admit that...
@@FreeManFreeThought Considering your location, I completely understand why you are more partial towards electric stoves. I think it should be based on location as each jurisdiction has their own reasoning for wanting one versus the other.
@@FreeManFreeThought don’t forget about the Edison Malibu canyon fires 🤪
Something needs to be done about these type of presenters using: “research/studies say” instead of citing and giving authors proper recognition!
Tbh as a chef I love working with fire, its raw and it's great to regulate the temperature visually but I have this induction cooktop cause it's so efficient and boiling water hardly takes minutes.
… how long does it take you to boil water over a flame? Just made some hard boiled eggs this morning and don’t recall it taking more than “minutes.”
The use of electricity to generate heat is highly inefficient from the perspective of thermodynamics. If the electric grid still rely on fossil fuels, I don't see the advantages of the switch.
Exactly. In my country, 80% electricity is from coal. So really don't see the point in changing
why not be the change you want to see and talk about induction vs resistance stoves?
100/100. Framing this as a global warming issue really feels like nobody at the Verge, uh, cooks.
Because that's not how narcissists control others.
Absolutely, they don't even know what they're talking about when they have a video clip of a non induction cooktop while they're speaking about induction cooktops....
BBC Food: And that's how you make egg fried rice with induction stove...
Where your MSG?!
HAIYAA!
Induction Stoves should try RGB
I renovated my kitchen a couple of years ago and decided to go with an induction stove. It’s one of the best decisions I made. I would recommend them to anybody.
even those of us in 3rd world countries?
This is exactly what we did, when our stove top died last year. Best purchase in years!
"Natural" gas has such good branding, Induction stoves will need a catchier name to take off.
Grew up with a gas stove and enjoyed it. When I moved and got an electric oven I was shocked how quickly it got hot - way faster than my old gas stove. It didn't heat as evenly in my t-fal pans, but my heavy duty vollrath pans are thick enough they heat evenly. Cast iron heats up twice as fast. I thought we were going to replace it with a gas line and gas stove in the next few years, but I'll be upgrading to another electric with convection.
Electricity is way too expensive in my area to even consider making the switch.
Natural gas is much less expensive than electricity as a heating fuel in California. Here in Northern California it costs me 4X as much to run an electric kitchen and central heating instead of gas. In fact, 34% of our electricity is generated by burning natural gas.
A very interesting topic, glad you made a video on it.
Speaking of kitchens, another thing that I've come across recently is the use of non stick pans.I'm not going to purchase them anymore and use stuff that I don't have to trow out every year or two.
You know non-stick pans require maintenance to stay non-stick, yeah?
Did you not read the manual that came with them?
You can get nonstick that will last 30 years provided you want to fork over one hundred dollars for an item.
I would like to see a quantifiable range of how much methane is estimated to be leaked through processing equipment every year. I think that number could be very helpful in determining the total energy losses and pollution with using Nat gas. Assuming that you are on a nat gas power grid it is very hard to determine that an induction stove is more cost effective or less pollutive. I like the thought of reducing our intake of natural gas but we need more measures than assumptions to push away from it. Great research so far, I would love to see further in depth research about this.
There's already plenty of research out there on this. The video mentioned work from EDF. Boston University has also published research on leaks as, as have others. An average value is about 9% of methane in the system leaks, and considering it's 80* as bad as CO2, that's 9%*80 CO2equivalent + 91%*1 CO2e (assuming perfect combustion, which ain't gonna happen) = 8.1 CO2e for a given amount of gas. End to end efficiency of the power grid varies by region and fuel mix, but for places where it's well maintained and primarily natural gas fired, it's around 40%, meaning 2.4 times as much methane must be burned to get the same amount of energy to the home in kW as gas. So that's 2.4 CO2e (assuming perfect combustion). Right there, electric wins, never mind that you can change how you make electricity later, or that a lot of gas equipment is only about 80% efficiency; modern furnaces and tankless water heaters can up to 95% or so, but standard water heaters are as low as 67%. Basic electric efficiency is at essentially 100% on the other hand, yet 300%+ efficiency is achievable with heat pumps (aka air conditioners): ua-cam.com/video/7J52mDjZzto/v-deo.html In the end it boils down to a few things: awareness of options, resistance to change, artificially low prices for fossil fuels (subsidies, externalities), and short-term thinking.
@@belg4mit very well put, I wasn't aware of all of the additional research on methane leakage. Thanks for the link, I'm happy to look more into it !
I don't care about the gas stove, How will I heat my house in the winter without gas?
With new construction, it should be incentivize to use Heat pumps instead of air conditioners.
A heat pump could cover a majority of the house heating, and that would save more gas than any cooking range ban.
I gotta say, the natural gas in the kitchen stove hardly make any impact on the gas bill. One appliance that makes the most impact is the water heater. When I switched from tank natural gas to tankless electric water heater, it cut the gas bill by $80 a month on that alone. Despite kitchen gas stove, my monthly gas bill is around $2 a month, that's mainly a connection fee than consumption.
5:47 “hookups” your welcome
Progressives: Ideas so good they are mandatory.
People in the comments don't seem to know that induction and electric cooktops are different...
A lot of people don’t get it unfortunately
Exactly how gas wins.
@@M69392 The gas industry thrives on misinformation and public ignorance.
All lobbies do nowadays
My family doesn’t have a gas stove, but we do have a natural gas furnace, water heater, and outdoor grill. As far as I can tell, the only advantage to gas is that it’s always available even in the event of a power outage. For example, the gas water heater doesn’t need electricity to operate, so we always have hot water available even without electricity. I know a gas furnace doesn’t work without electricity, but I’m not sure if gas stoves and ovens use electricity. I’d like to minimize my family’s dependence on fossil fuels, but that’s something we just simply can’t afford to do.
Gas ovens need electricity because they are ovens, but gas stoves don’t need electricity. They only use electricity as a starter in most cases, so as long as you have a lighter, you can just turn the gas up on the stove and then light it with your lighter.
Usually only older or inefficient water heaters work without electricity due to a permanent pilot light (which is pretty wasteful). Some gas ranges use piezo lighters, but most seem to be electric. You could try to light them with a match, but that''s strongly discouraged and people often get hurt doing so.
If they ban gas stoves because they are "unhealthy", you think these do-gooders will leave it at that? Nope. When the gas stoves are banned, the gas hot water heaters and gas furnaces will be right behind them. You really want to pay to replace your furnace and hot water heater because someone from the government is there to help you?
I just remembered the line from friends in S5 E9 when ross says " was i talking about gas whole time "
Since I've started using induction cookers I've never wanted to go back.
That mostly applies to the west.
Here we love our stoves.
So, I live in southwest Louisiana. When we got hot by two hurricanes 6 weeks apart in 2020, those of us with gas stoves and water heaters were very very happy. It wasnt a "convenience" factor, or a "cost" factor. It was a "We can survive" factor. Electricity was out for a month and a half for most people. And your average generator, can't run an electric stove, electric hot water heater, along with window units, fans, lights, fridges, freezers, etc. All hail natural gas.
Induction stoves are really nice... Until they break and you get your repair bill
Okay. A bit off topic, but that man has the coolest name ever!
Well I guess it depends on how your home is heated. From my understanding it is common to heat houses with NG, then it is also convenient to connect the stove to the same system. However, if the house is heated by other means then it is quite unnecessary with the gas stove.
Not sure what the statistics are in Europe, but here in the Nordics I have never in my lifetime seen a gas stove in a home.
There are some in apartment buildings where the old network of "stadsgas" still exists. A friend lived in an apartment built in maybe the 1930s where he had a gas stove, that's the only person I have ever seen have it.
Yeah, I thought this was an April Fool's joke. I have never seen a gas stove in my life and thought they went extinct in the 1950s or something.
Here in Czech Republic, gas stoves are nearly extinct. To my knowledge, the vast majority of all new homes use induction. I have seen about two to four gas stoves in my lifetime (19 yo).
@@vlachjn gas in high end homes is still used gas heats up more evenly
I grew up in a home heated with gas, water heated by gas, stove and oven run on gas. They’re very common in the colder parts of North America.
Perspective is a funny thing. My circle of friends and family all understand this about gas in homes, and hate it. In fact it very much is a worse way of cooking, especially inside an oven.
The problem is cost. Every house you buy or rent around here has gas for ovens, dryers, hot water, and heaters. You have no option unless you buy all new equipment, which of course can be done over time as devices that use it fail.
But it gets worse when you live in an area where your electric bill is literally 10x more expensive than your gas bill, despite all gas appliances.
The truth is not informing people what they already know, but to make electricity cheaper and cleaner. No one will use gas in a future where electricity is both 100% renewable, and 10x cheaper than 'natural' gas.
Unreliable power connection: I'm about to destroy this video's whole career
Yeah you live in a place where it snows up to 50 times a year and you're often snowed in and the power goes out You know you'll Be very thankful for that gas stove I know my family was when our power went out this year
If we had underground power and internet cables in this country we would lose power as much.
@@jonny777bike mamamamama
I have an electric range, but it's not induction. I'm the north east, most peoples home are heated by 'natural gas because it is cheaper. It's it only cheaper because of subsidies? Would it actually be cheaper to combo a geothermal/heat pump? If gas is only cheaper due to subsidies, that needs to stop.
Edit, the other thing in consideration is what kind of load the grid can take.
Natural Gas isn't subsidized like coal. Also 100% of the energy in natural gas goes directly to heat. Unlike electric appliances that a lot of energy is lost in the conversion prosses
@@Stephan905There are subsidies for a ll sorts of fossil fuels, not to mention the externalities. And no, not 100% of the gas energy goes to heat, normal water heaters are 67%, normal furnaces are 80%. You can get into the mid 90s with gas but that's it. Electric starts at 100% and goes to 300%+ with heat pumps. Fossil fuel generation of electricity is around 40% efficient end-to-end, so a 300% efficient heat pump (like any modern heat pump water heater) with fossil fuel-backed electricity gets you 3*0.4=120% efficient. Things get even better if you've got green power, and since an electric system doesn't care what the source is, you can green the grid over time/install solar panels on your home later.
@@belg4mit You're correct. Gas is less than 100% efficient. Resistive heating is 100% efficient and heat pumps have COP's in excess of 300%
Most of western Canada uses gas to heat their homes because electricity is expensive and is often generated from gas generators anyways.
when the video is uploaded on april 1 so you expect it to be an april fool video...
I have never had a good electric stove. I have hated all of the electric stoves I have ever had. Always too cold or too hot.
Honestly, I would love for my parents to buy electric stove but because it’s not available in our province here in the Philippines, it’s impossible.
As someone who has recently started cooking at home I find my older electric stove difficult to control in some cases. I got portable induction unit to try. My portable unit has a loud fan. Presumably the stove units don’t. Unfortunately I mostly use non-stick cookware that won’t work with induction. If I can find good non-stick induction compatible cookware my next stove may well be induction.
You want black steel, it's what chefs use in commercial kitchens instead of Teflon and far more durable www.surlatable.com/bk-black-steel-skillets/PRO-5283494.html
All of IKEA's pans are induction capable if you want a cheap option. Many other brands sell induction capable sets too.
lol at playing videos of traditional glass top electric ranges while discussing induction cooking
3:00 he talks like Terrance and Phillip, and he talks about Methane, T&P talk a lot of Methane as well... 🤔
Up here in Canada, it's highly unlikely that people will stop using natural gas - most homes are heated with it! So, that begs the question, what's the alternative to heating with natural gas that's cost-effective? It needs to be reliable too, in the event the power goes out as it did in Texas earlier this year.
Hi, in that case an electric system is also an alternative in the form of heat pumps; the implementation is costly but it is definitively a viable option.
The short answer is that there is no electric alternative to heating that will work when there's a power outage. But how much heating is needed in the case of a power outage varies a lot on the location of the outage. In Texas, they are used to very few days (if any) of freezing temperatures each year. Many houses don't have even have fire places and they have generally poorer housing insulation compared to much more northern areas so heat escapes more quickly too.
But, the massive failure in Texas was a perfect storm of a lot of different factors including temperatures -25F (-15C) below average and a power grid woefully under prepared for it.
A lot of the Texas outage is explained pretty well here: ua-cam.com/video/08mwXICY4JM/v-deo.html
@@Jorge-cl1pr heat pumps are extremely inefficient. Electric heaters are an option, but they consume far too much electricity to keep up with the heating demands of most of Canada. Electric heating is popular in regions like the Okanagan where winters are mild, but in other areas where temperatures of -30 or below are common it would be incredibly wasteful to consume that much electricity. And keep in mind much of our electricity production is also very harmful to the environment. We have a long way to go in order to turn electricity into an eco-friendly replacement for gas.
@@prairiepanda What do you mean with extremely inefficient? The efficiency of heat pumps, like an air conditioned system, is defined by the so called coefficient of performance (or COP) this of course will vary depending on the temperature difference between inside and outside, but in cooler places, for example Canada, this efficiency will be well over what a gas furnace can achieve. Plus you can also use the heat pump as an AC system if you prefer.
Exactly we need alternatives for heating up home, I would never rely solely on Electricity. This video is just pushing the green narrative.
I'm quite sure the gas we use for our stoves here in Brazil are a mix of propane and butane.
About 5 years ago the water heater at my parents home (SoCal) died. I investigated various alternatives to their existing non-condensing natural gas heater.
The electric alternative was a non-starter - not only was gas a significantly cheaper source of energy - but switching to electric required the installation of a 240V circuit.
Even a heat pump water heater in near ideal ambient conditions would still cost more to use than a traditional gas water heater despite using something like 75% less energy.
The consumer shouldn’t be asked to pay more to use less energy - gas should be priced to account for the externalities listed in the video.
Here in Greece even we have the most expensive electricity in Europe for the last 30 years 99% of homes have electric induction stoves.
If natural gas is replaced by electricity in cooking, and powering homes in general, you still have to consider that the electricity you are using is being produced from natural gas, so you really aren't solving the problem.
Lol 😂
The electric stove is only the more environmentally friendly option assuming that the electric grid has significant amount of electricity from wind, solar, hydroelectric or nuclear. If your grid is natural gas then you’re just making cooking more inconvenient with an electric stove. If your grid is coal powered then a gas stove is definitely the way to go, even if there are leaks in the gas delivery pipeline, those leaks are not producing the particulate mater pollution that a coal power plant produces.
We just moved from a house with an electric hob to a gas one. Not only does the gas hob have less temperature control, it also emits pollutants so you usually have to have the ventilator hood on (which is very loud) so it's hard to do anything like chat or watch videos, or even read while cooking. Electric is far superior imo, even disregarding the environmental impact.
Seems to me, switching to electricity is another way to just shut someone down if they don't behave.
Bingo!
I’ve never used an induction stove but traditional ones compared to gas are awful. Nice to hear there is an alternative to gas because I live in a city that has banned gas for new builds.
I used both induction and traditional (electric) stoves and induction stoves are so much better! Much faster to heat and easier to control. The disadvantage is you need specific cookware.
@@zuzinap Thanks for the story. I have an Instant Pot and if I understand correctly, it uses induction. If my whole stove worked like that, I would be happy.
I can't think of a single household here in Germany that still uses gas stoves. Pretty much everyone in my region (rural and city) uses electric stoves only.
I recently switched to a gas stove and it's so much easier for controlling the temperature, and it heats up faster. I will not be switching.
Switched to a gas stove....from what? a regular electric stove or an induction stove? If you already had electrical wiring there, you really should have made the jump to Induction. It's way better than gas and the ceramic cooktop you replaced.
@@taylorlightfoot I moved actually, it was electric
@@AwesomeSauce7176 Makes sense. I agree gas is better than electric, but Induction is its own class different than traditional electric; I don't think most people understand there's a difference. It makes magnetic fields and the pan itself becomes the heat source. Its better than gas in my opinion and definitely way better than traditional electric most people are familiar with.
Go green, Go nuclear !
Ah yes, nuclear powered stove
@@abdulazis400 Fallout
Well, as long as you have a reliable consistent nuclear power plant generation, the electric stove should be truly clean and reliable.
How about no,we dont need nuclear
@@UnipornFrumm you spend to much time waching the Flintstones...
In the UK, as well as gas stoves, I would imagine that gas boilers would be an issue. Are there efficient electric boilers?
My electric water boiler (50l) takes 20 minutes to heat, it is enough for really warm shower.
Heating of water and homes is being replaced with Heat Pumps. They're more efficient than gas.
@@majdavojnikovic We would need one for central heating not just a shower. Plus we have 4 inpatient people in our house, so a 20 minute wait is not acceptable.
@@SamiCoopers heating house with electricity is cheapest with those relatively new airco-type heaters, I don't know the name, and there are small waterheaters that heat water as it flows through them. That is considered here cheapest variants for electricity.
In my country there is almost no natural gas grid, so it is central heating or heating with electricity in the buildings.
@@majdavojnikovic the airco-type heaters are called heat pumps, as Taylor mentioned.
What I learned from this video is that natural gas is actually a much better fuel than I thought it was. If these are the top concerns, the worst problem is the greenhouse gas emissions.
"Research suggests that a gas stove can produce twice as much harmful particulate matter as an electric stove"
Well, considering electric stoves don't burn anything, that is a demonstration of just how clean natural gas stoves are.
i didnt know in USA, gas stoves is a big issue, in Singapore 80% of all housing is govt built and EVERY one of them have built in gas pipping from the govt gas supply. while some still use Gas Cylinder tanks, its quite rare.
Also Gas is FAR cheaper, for cooking then using electricity for induction stoves or hot plates.. Boiling water for example, using a electric kettle to boil 2liter of water, cost more than using a regular kettle and putting it on a gas stove.
Also when showering, a electric hot water heater and a gas one.. the gas one is cheaper, though it takes some time to heat up
You needs to make another vedio to explain why induction stove are more efficient and powerful? This conflicts with my experience eating hotpot at home using 1500W portable induction burner. And induction burners are less reliable. It's easier to break.
They are more effient because with induction the heat isnt transferred through hot air but directly through magnetic fields. This reduces waste energy. Your experience with 1500w cooktops, comes from the difference in rated power (what is on the label) and used power(what is actually needs to heat your hotpot)
You could also just Google "induction stove efficiency", but in short: It's more efficient because the heat is induced in the pan itself, so you don't lose a load to the air around the stove.
How is it easier to break? An induction stove is essentially just a giant coil of wire to make an electromagnet.
@@belg4mit he buys cheap countertop stoves instead of the expensive built-in kind that runs off 220 instead of 110.
Solar off Grid + induction stove + a Home outside city = Life on Mars..😛
There's a landfill in Washington state that is collecting methane sustainably. Not enough to support all the homes using it, but to help. I love my induction stove, but use gas for outdoor cooking and a fireplace, so I know I'm part of the problem.
I have an induction stove and I do love it, but if I had a gas utility, I would prefer a gas stove. As a chef, my needs are a bit different from the average homeowner, but I regularly find myself needing to use my butane, propane or white gas burners for fire roasting, sauté, stir fry and for dishes that require a copper pans rapid heat transfer and disipation.
If we stop allowing extracted gas, I would hope bioreactor plants would still be allowed to produce renewable methane from manure and organic waste products.
Another interesting technology is wood gas. Making charcoal produces a flamable gas as a biproduct. Binchotan charcoal is great for grilling, baking, stewing, braising and steaming and the resulting wood gas could be bottled for use in sauté, flambe, stir fry, deep fry and broiling.
Not all cookware works with induction stoves either, so the transition takes a lot more conscious effort, and also investment, especially if you rent or your cooking implements are old passed down things. We have to make green choices more accessible to everyone to really see more meaningful changes happen on a worldwide scale.
I smell gas on walks in the same places along the route. They never fix them, for years and years.
Need a lighter?
I'm in an area without reliable electricity in the winter. Which is six months long. What do you suggest we do? Infrastructure of any sort won't be upgraded here. We use propane. I'm more than happy to use HHO fuel. It is also possible to replace 20% of all propane or methane with pure Hydrogen.
Platinum catalysts can be put into stove burners. That's done with kerosene lanterns to control emission products;
There's also the fact that the last houses I lived in with electric stoves exploded, taking out the entire kitchen each time. The builders saved money by leaving out circuit breakers.
I suggest you insulate. Solar panels might also be a good idea eventually, but should not be your first upgrade unless your electricity is stupidly expensive (>$0.25/kWh).
Leaks? Just wait until you hear about blowdowns where an entire pipe is vented into the atmosphere. Large pipes + high pressure + frequent blowdowns = A LOT of vented methane.
It doesn’t help that when you start talking about induction stoves you show a stove that is NOT induction. 🤦🏻♂️ smh 7:01
Cool stuff!
it's actually hot
Cooking with fire is part of the human experience. Changing this won’t happen quickly. Something as simple as charring something on the stove works easiest on gas
Living in Colorado, I cannot simply depend on electricity to power me through the winter. I have electric outages all the time in my pretty urban area too.
I'll keep my gas stove, thanks 👍
Gas stove wouldn't give you better temperature control, it'll give you faster* temperature control.
I used to have gas for millennias, for 2 years i've got electric stove, and when you master what setting causes what temperature, you get gourmet.
For example, got setting #1 which is equal to 80°C and takes so long to heat up (~20 minutes); which is great for slow cooking meat or making a glass-pot or ceramique Japanese tea, once you heat it upto ~80°C at setting #3.
or, an induction oven that you can buy today has an auto mode, that begins with full power, but when e.g. water starts boiling it will automatically adjust the power setting
@@blackkissi Great mention, It is also good to mention, you shouldn't boil the water when making tea, ideal is 70-80°C; which i never could do on gas stove.
The settings aren't temperatures though, they're power levels. The actual temp will vary with what pan your using, how much food is in it, ambient temp in the room, etc. Even then coil cooktops control power level by turning the burner all the way on for a while, then all the way off for a while, so the temp will swing up and down substantially with light cookware
@@andrewjc13 Some has power level, some has timer circuit. While at STP the specified timer setting get specified temperatures, it may still vary between Summer and Winter, since specific STP of this unit is room temperature which is default 20°C. Trust me, I'm an engineer.
I love my gas range and I love to use the saying, "Now you're cooking with gas."