Thanks for your initial impressions - it looks like a great high end single boiler machine for the money, although the noise levels seem a little off-putting
The pump noise was mostly from initial empty boiler refilling, it has quieted down significantly to the same level as Gaggia and any other vibration pump machines this morning when I went on to make a morning brew.
Ok my friend, good video! 👏 I suggest to call your retailer, the machine arrived broken inside or you have to tight a loosing part, because you machine is to loud, It definitely had a damage during the shipping… You’ve to learn a lot about espresso, this machine will be good for your, for I saw, you’re using like “Italian beans” I suggest to find a local roaster, is better, you’ll ensure the freshness👌If you’re brewing dark roast, go down at 198-196 degrees and please buy a scale my friend, you’ll have the exact recipe time after time, enjoy your machine bro, awesome video. 👏👏
I suggest the noise is the Vibrator Pump, some times this can be minimized by providing an isolator style of mount to isolate the vibration noise from the chassis.
This is essentially an ECM Casa V wirh a PID. I was akways very impressed with a Casa IV i had on loan. Amazing build quality. I really love the adjustable OPV. Sets it apart.
Yes, I probably would have picked Casa V for a better finish and could have cared less for OPV and PID, especially after using it for a while. I realized I'm not as picky as some other espresso enthusiasts about dialing the shots perfectly and have been drinking the same bean for the last 3 years. What I would recommend however, is a Dual boiler as opposed to a high end single boiler for better shot making capacity and steaming power.
Thanks for this comparison. After watching this, I will just stick to my GCP with PID. It heats up much faster. The smaller boiler on the GCP means the I dont need to wait as long for my next brew.
The boiler design of the GCP is patented and unique. It allows them to make a cheaper machine that performs better. So everyone always saying gaggia is worst because of the "tiny boiler" are not looking at the whole picture.
I definitely suggest you weigh your output instead of going by volume. If the coffee is fresh or stale you could have either more or less crema than usual and that could drastically change the amount of liquid actually in your glass and could end up with over or underextraction. Weighing just helps with your consistency from shot to shot. Looks like a nice machine though.
I think there may be an issue with the machine. Based on an overview from Marc at Whole Latte Love, I would not expect this machine to be that loud. Pretty sure the vibration pump should be mounted so vibration of the machine is reduced.
The GCP has a very unique patented boiler design... it is so tiny because it doesnt need to be any bigger given its design and material. It is also intended to pull one double shot. The PGO boiler is brass... NOT steel.... The 12 oz boiler isnt an upgrade. It is comparable in functionality to the gaggia. The big advantage of the PGO is the PID. If youre buying a new machine and have 1k budget PGO or rancilia are abaolutely a great choice. If you already have a GCP i wouldnt really recommend "upgrading" to a PGO. Just get a shades of coffee PID kit and youre all set. Or get a 2k+ machine instead.
IMO this is a great deal for a machine with said capabilities. My Simonelli Oscar 1 20 years ago cost 1000 USD and had less capability, a plastic housing and issues requiring attention.
That portafilter must've been used before - water drops on the handle and the portafilter was already inserted.. I bought the Profitec Go last month and everything came in pristine/unused condition and I can verify that the portalfilter comes empty and clean - all baskets are separate
In the market for this level of machine. I’m assuming this is the more logical choice over the Silvia now. After owning a Breville Barista Express that was not very repairable my priority is for it to be simple and durable and locally serviceable.
I would probably pick this over Silvia since they cost about the same but this just elevates the single boiler game up a notch with pretty much every option you may want to dial in your shots. Don't forget that a good quality espresso grinder is a lot more important than an espresso machine.
You mentioned the ports filter arrived with water on it. The owners manual says not to be surprised if there is some water in the machine when it arrives. No idea why, but thought I’d let you and everyone else know
Love the video. I’ve been waiting for this machine for months. This may be a dumb question but with the pressure adjustment, do you think you could maybe 3d print a tool that would allow you to adjust the pressure while pulling a shot? You know, pressure profile? Would that even be possible?
Yes, You can just use a flat head screw driver to turn the OPV valve while pulling a shot, since the adjustment knob is easily accessible. But doing so mid way can not guarantee your pressure setting would be correct for future shots since pressure has been modified midway of a shot. So proper procedure would be to adjust pressure in between each shots using a blank basket
I was so close to ordering one, but after watching this, I don't think that the rattles justify the price. I'll stick with my Gaggia for the time being.
Thank you for this great review! At some point you mentioned that you were mainly drinking americanos. How do you prepare them on the GO! seeing that it doesn't come with water dispenser?
You'rebetter off modifying the Gaggia with a PID ! You can do it cheaply with so many how to videos or Mr Shades kit which is a bit more. Spare parts are super cheap as well.
The GCP is $450-$500 depending on color trim, Mr. Shades PID kit is $130, if you want to add a pressure gauge, an extra $70, plus required drilling and extra tools that you need to buy for drilling through metal. If you don't already have a mechanics wrench set, that will set you off another good chunk of money just to install the PID kit. Most people just want to enjoy a delicious cup of espresso without extra efforts, for that purpose, Gaggia CLassic works perfect even without any mods. For people who can afford to spend a little more money to get factory PID, and pressure gauge, Lelit ANNA 2 costs about the same as a modded gaggia ($680), and if you also want adjustable OPV, Profitec Go is one of the better build models available for under $1000. Cheers
Thanks for reviewing this new machine quite thoroughly. I'm considering this machine atm. Everything looks good, my only concern is the height between the bottom of the group head and dip tray seems to be the same as GCP (19:11), which is quite short. That means, similar to GCP, it is almost impossible to put a scale under the cup if you want to brew into 2 cups simultaneously (or using a taller cup) under stock portafilter (not the bottomless one).
Thanks for reviewing it! I'm trying to visualize what you said in the last minutes of the video about having to refill it everytime you steam. Is that everytime you'd finish making a latte for example?
Correct, you can probably steam two cups of milk (as I tested) before the boiler gets empty, you'll need to run the brew button in non-steaming mode to refill the boiler before you can steam some more milk.
Appreciate the video but where are the scales? You can't say the weight is there without the scales bro! Please Weigh the shot, else we have no clue what's going on!
My suggestion is either go lower grade to Gaggia Classic Pro, or save some more money and upgrade to a Heat Exchange/Dual Boiler for major improvement in terms of steaming power and temperature stability.
You need a 58mm E61 compatiable portafilter, I am using the ECM angled bottomless, and it does fit just doesn't turn all the way 90 degree like the original portafilter but it does work fine.
Thanks for your impressions! I intend to buy this machine in a travel...Can you inform the measures of the second box..the one that machine comes inside?
@@TheGizmoGarage is there a way for preinfusion on this device. I am GC user for last 2 years I have already modified it with opv and pid so I was wondering if this was a worthy upgrade
@@khankamrankhan in my opinion, not a big upgrade if you already have a fully modded GC. Your next big upgrade would probably be a dual boiler/Heat exchange with pre-infusion, PID and Pressure adjustment etc.
Thanks for showing the comparison with the GCP. Exactly what I wanted to see!
Thanks for your initial impressions - it looks like a great high end single boiler machine for the money, although the noise levels seem a little off-putting
The pump noise was mostly from initial empty boiler refilling, it has quieted down significantly to the same level as Gaggia and any other vibration pump machines this morning when I went on to make a morning brew.
@@TheGizmoGarage That's good to know thanks 😀
glad to hear it has quieted down over time.
Congrats on getting in early on the unboxing. Well explained and demonstrated 👍
Ok my friend, good video! 👏 I suggest to call your retailer, the machine arrived broken inside or you have to tight a loosing part, because you machine is to loud, It definitely had a damage during the shipping… You’ve to learn a lot about espresso, this machine will be good for your, for I saw, you’re using like “Italian beans” I suggest to find a local roaster, is better, you’ll ensure the freshness👌If you’re brewing dark roast, go down at 198-196 degrees and please buy a scale my friend, you’ll have the exact recipe time after time, enjoy your machine bro, awesome video. 👏👏
I suggest the noise is the Vibrator Pump, some times this can be minimized by providing an isolator style of mount to isolate the vibration noise from the chassis.
Indeed. Vibrating pumps are noisy.
This is essentially an ECM Casa V wirh a PID. I was akways very impressed with a Casa IV i had on loan. Amazing build quality. I really love the adjustable OPV. Sets it apart.
Yes, I probably would have picked Casa V for a better finish and could have cared less for OPV and PID, especially after using it for a while. I realized I'm not as picky as some other espresso enthusiasts about dialing the shots perfectly and have been drinking the same bean for the last 3 years. What I would recommend however, is a Dual boiler as opposed to a high end single boiler for better shot making capacity and steaming power.
Thanks for this comparison. After watching this, I will just stick to my GCP with PID. It heats up much faster. The smaller boiler on the GCP means the I dont need to wait as long for my next brew.
Yes you won’t miss much
The boiler design of the GCP is patented and unique. It allows them to make a cheaper machine that performs better. So everyone always saying gaggia is worst because of the "tiny boiler" are not looking at the whole picture.
I definitely suggest you weigh your output instead of going by volume. If the coffee is fresh or stale you could have either more or less crema than usual and that could drastically change the amount of liquid actually in your glass and could end up with over or underextraction. Weighing just helps with your consistency from shot to shot. Looks like a nice machine though.
Thank you for your suggestion. I usually just taste the shot at the end, if it tastes good, it goes to my stomach :)
@@TheGizmoGarage that’s Jedi level espresso tasting
My daughter just ordered hers. We started with the Rancilio Silvio and moved to the Alexi Duetto
Gaggia is prettier! Front, side and back! Also, love the Gaggia rocker switches. Good honest review, thx!
Gotta love that classic look of Gaggia!
I think there may be an issue with the machine. Based on an overview from Marc at Whole Latte Love, I would not expect this machine to be that loud. Pretty sure the vibration pump should be mounted so vibration of the machine is reduced.
did you figure out the vibration issue?
The GCP has a very unique patented boiler design... it is so tiny because it doesnt need to be any bigger given its design and material. It is also intended to pull one double shot.
The PGO boiler is brass... NOT steel....
The 12 oz boiler isnt an upgrade. It is comparable in functionality to the gaggia. The big advantage of the PGO is the PID.
If youre buying a new machine and have 1k budget PGO or rancilia are abaolutely a great choice. If you already have a GCP i wouldnt really recommend "upgrading" to a PGO. Just get a shades of coffee PID kit and youre all set. Or get a 2k+ machine instead.
IMO this is a great deal for a machine with said capabilities. My Simonelli Oscar 1 20 years ago cost 1000 USD and had less capability, a plastic housing and issues requiring attention.
I agree; this is a well built single boiler machine that enables new possibilities for espresso extraction enthusiasts
Whole latte love tests there machines before winding them to customers. That is why you saw water spots on the portafilter handle
Great review man! So much I appreciated with with review.
really very nice video helped me to choose my first espresso machine. thank you.
Great to hear!
Try to put a rubber sheet underneath the machine. It seems like it's on a metal surface and that maybe is increasing the vibration noise?
That portafilter must've been used before - water drops on the handle and the portafilter was already inserted.. I bought the Profitec Go last month and everything came in pristine/unused condition and I can verify that the portalfilter comes empty and clean - all baskets are separate
You need to slow that extraction down, dial finer or tamp firmer.. should flow like syrup evenly across the filter as it starts 👍
100%
In the market for this level of machine. I’m assuming this is the more logical choice over the Silvia now. After owning a Breville Barista Express that was not very repairable my priority is for it to be simple and durable and locally serviceable.
I would probably pick this over Silvia since they cost about the same but this just elevates the single boiler game up a notch with pretty much every option you may want to dial in your shots. Don't forget that a good quality espresso grinder is a lot more important than an espresso machine.
Silvia is a better quality machine. I would get the silvia and a grow with it. Add a PID in a few years
You mentioned the ports filter arrived with water on it. The owners manual says not to be surprised if there is some water in the machine when it arrives. No idea why, but thought I’d let you and everyone else know
Ya, they have to test to make sure it's working before it goes out of factory I guess
Thanks for the video! I rly need to know all those experience. Question: can you solve the noise problem? Or it's just like this? Thanks 👍🏻
Loud noise was from empty water tank.
Love the video. I’ve been waiting for this machine for months. This may be a dumb question but with the pressure adjustment, do you think you could maybe 3d print a tool that would allow you to adjust the pressure while pulling a shot? You know, pressure profile? Would that even be possible?
Yes, You can just use a flat head screw driver to turn the OPV valve while pulling a shot, since the adjustment knob is easily accessible. But doing so mid way can not guarantee your pressure setting would be correct for future shots since pressure has been modified midway of a shot. So proper procedure would be to adjust pressure in between each shots using a blank basket
You could install a dimmer on the pump and flow/pressure profile that way. Lance Hendrick has a video showing how to do it
I was so close to ordering one, but after watching this, I don't think that the rattles justify the price. I'll stick with my Gaggia for the time being.
Alexander, the rattle was due to empty boiler. The machine now has been properly setup and I can tell you it’s a lot quicker than Gaggia pump sound!
Thank you for this great review! At some point you mentioned that you were mainly drinking americanos. How do you prepare them on the GO! seeing that it doesn't come with water dispenser?
I prefill my cup with hot water from the shower head, then make my shot and have the shot drip down into the hot water already inside.
Rubber mat will reduce vibration noise.
You'rebetter off modifying the Gaggia with a PID ! You can do it cheaply with so many how to videos or Mr Shades kit which is a bit more. Spare parts are super cheap as well.
The GCP is $450-$500 depending on color trim, Mr. Shades PID kit is $130, if you want to add a pressure gauge, an extra $70, plus required drilling and extra tools that you need to buy for drilling through metal. If you don't already have a mechanics wrench set, that will set you off another good chunk of money just to install the PID kit. Most people just want to enjoy a delicious cup of espresso without extra efforts, for that purpose, Gaggia CLassic works perfect even without any mods.
For people who can afford to spend a little more money to get factory PID, and pressure gauge, Lelit ANNA 2 costs about the same as a modded gaggia ($680), and if you also want adjustable OPV, Profitec Go is one of the better build models available for under $1000.
Cheers
Too much work _ for that much you can have a whole new machine
NEED THAT SHIRT OMG
You can always keep an eye on vintage Kliban Cat stuff on eBay:)
Thanks for reviewing this new machine quite thoroughly. I'm considering this machine atm. Everything looks good, my only concern is the height between the bottom of the group head and dip tray seems to be the same as GCP (19:11), which is quite short. That means, similar to GCP, it is almost impossible to put a scale under the cup if you want to brew into 2 cups simultaneously (or using a taller cup) under stock portafilter (not the bottomless one).
It is taller, you can put a scale under especially if you opt to go with a bottom less portafilter. The stock portafilter clearance is 3 1/8" (80mm)
How is it compared to the rancillio Silvia
Thanks for reviewing it! I'm trying to visualize what you said in the last minutes of the video about having to refill it everytime you steam. Is that everytime you'd finish making a latte for example?
Correct, you can probably steam two cups of milk (as I tested) before the boiler gets empty, you'll need to run the brew button in non-steaming mode to refill the boiler before you can steam some more milk.
Did you manage to fix the sound/vibration issue? If fixed can you commend on the sound compared to classic pro?
It was caused by empty boiler, now the vibration is comparable with any other espresso machine that uses vibration pump.
I silenced my gaggia classic 2015 by placing a messing cube (2,7 kg) on the top of the machine.
Great idea!
the water tank is big and invisible, how to know that it is out of water?
You have to constantly check visually by going behind and open the cover :(
Would you recommend starting with the profitiec for a beginner that didn't want to bother upgrading every few years? Kind of a one and done machine?
I think you'll be happy with a Gaggia Classic Pro even for a beginner. A good grinder is more important.
Appreciate the video but where are the scales? You can't say the weight is there without the scales bro! Please Weigh the shot, else we have no clue what's going on!
I also have a Gaggia Classic Pro & I was thinking of upgrading. Question.... Does your Gaggia portafilter fit in the Profitec GO?
It doesn’t. Profitec Go uses standard E61 group portafilter though so you should have a lot more stylish choices
Pero donde vas,200 grados un café cuando son entre 90 y 95 grados
How does it compare to the gaggia classic pro? Is it worth the extra money?
Way to noisy for me, what’s another option in this price point?
My suggestion is either go lower grade to Gaggia Classic Pro, or save some more money and upgrade to a Heat Exchange/Dual Boiler for major improvement in terms of steaming power and temperature stability.
Hi! I need some help. Bought a ecm gran cremm naked portafiler for my profitec go. But i thinkong maybe dont fits in it.
What exact model
Did you buy?
You need a 58mm E61 compatiable portafilter, I am using the ECM angled bottomless, and it does fit just doesn't turn all the way 90 degree like the original portafilter but it does work fine.
The steam wand is not double walled.
Yeah, my super early production is not...
so are you sending it back ?
It’s been a week, pretty much used to the machine now. Definitely keeping
Thanks for your impressions! I intend to buy this machine in a travel...Can you inform the measures of the second box..the one that machine comes inside?
Sure, the actual box for the espresso machine for the US Market is 15"x12"x22"
@@TheGizmoGarage thanks so much! Very quick answer 👏👏
Good machine your very lucky i
Can you compare the go with the Rancilio silvia since they are more similiar price? Thanks
Similar price, but GO has a lot more advanced features plus PID. Rancillio Silvia has bigger boiler and heats up slower.
How has been your experience with light roasts?
I tried light roasts, really not my cup of tea... Probably best reserved for drip/pourovers. Staying with Medium and Espresso roast for better flavor.
You would do better with scales and weighing your output . Otherwise why weigh your dose if your not going to weigh your output .
It's pretty consistent... Have made thousands of shots you start to know :)
After your time with the profitec go, would you choose the 400 pro?
Based on my experience, and if I ever want to upgrade, I might look for another Italian branded dual boiler or HX.
Finding an excuse not to upgrade to this from my PID Gaggia Classic 😬
🙂
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That noise would drive me insane..
Yeah, a rotary pump dual boiler espresso machine would be the ultimate go-to...
wherer did you order it form?
wholelattelove.com
eSpresso not eXpresso
Does this machine has preinfusion??
No sir, no automatic pre-infusion
@@TheGizmoGarage is there a way for preinfusion on this device. I am GC user for last 2 years I have already modified it with opv and pid so I was wondering if this was a worthy upgrade
@@khankamrankhan in my opinion, not a big upgrade if you already have a fully modded GC. Your next big upgrade would probably be a dual boiler/Heat exchange with pre-infusion, PID and Pressure adjustment etc.
try opening the steam wand while pulling a shot. since it’s a single boiler the pressure will drop. works with the GCP
@@lukaspeters1168 how do you do it? Share with me technique
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Too much hand waving , you don't need to talk with your hands
👏says you👏