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I've had mine for about 2 months now, upgraded from a Gaggia Classic Pro, and overall am very happy. I tend to drink lighter roasts so the PID is a massive improvement and worth the 2x/price, not to mention the other programming features, the timer, the really durable and sleek build and the fully rotational steam wand. My only negatives are that my pucks come out a little on the wet side (wetter than the Gaggia) and the height of the machine prevents me from getting cups on the cup warmer as my overhead cabinets interfere. Keep in mind prior to steaming you need to do two (2) 5-second purges from the steam wand (with a 10-second gap in between) to optimize steam capacity. 4.5 stars from me.
Your comment is pushing me more and more towards saving up for this instead of dipping my toes with a gaggia classic pro. I was leaning more towards the gaggia classic prestige but that is 600 dollars and no PID. I would rather not deal with modding it in myself. And the other smaller upgrades like a better portafilter basket and showerscreen can come later. I would rather have a strong base to work off of which will probably be the end espresso journey. Or maybe I eventually bump up to a double boiler like a Profitec 500 pro PID. Thanks for your input :3
Hi there, I want to hear your feedback after this longer period do you still recommend this machine over the gaggia? What are the pros and cons of each machine over the other according to your experience?
@@hazemelkady9087 my feelings are unchanged. I’m happy with my decision to buy the Go but if $ are an issue you can definitely make excellent espresso beverages with a Classic. The Go gives you more options/functionality and a faster and more efficient workflow.
Hi, I received the Profitec Go just under one month ago from WLL. I'm finally getting everything set up, shots are dialed in and workflow is awesome. I just discover a pleasant surprise. Profitec upgraded the stream wand to "No-Burn." I had no idea since your video said it doesn't have it, but since I received my machine in January, it appears they quietly upgraded the steam wand with a teflon tube inside the steam wand! Just thought I would let you know.
I received mine a few weeks ago and I've been having a blast with it. It's my first espresso machine, so it's nice to hear validation from a real person. Everything works perfectly, and it looks beautiful. Plus it's short enough that I can fit some small cups on top, underneath my kitchen cabinets. I'm extremely happy that I went with this machine instead of listening to all the people on reddit and yt who seem to think that anything less than an $1800 dual boiler is simply not worth considering.
@@publicname515 there's no dedicated water spout, but you could either run hot water through the group head, or use the steam wand without heating up past 100C. Or just use a kettle. Hot water's pretty low-tech
There are two main types of people who go for the dual boiler: those who actually make lots of milk drinks, and those who want the prestige of a big flashy chrome E61. For those who just have a simple espresso or two daily, even an old used espresso ‘appliance’ can make great espresso if you can find a non-pressurized basket/handle setup, and can add flow control to your appliance.
Whole Latte Love Is AWESOME!!!! The customer service is great and they stand by the products they sell even if the company of origin does not! I purchased a machine from Whole Latte Love and it failed due to manufacturing. the company that I bought it from wanted to charge me shipping for the part (I could have purchased a brand new part with free shipping from the same manufacturer for a few more dollars) but Whole Latte Love exchanged it for me as it was in the 1 year warrantee.
I agree. Purchased a prosumer machine from them 5 years ago. It died at about a year. They fixed it for free and I have now had 4 years of trouble free use.
I swear, if I was in the market for an espresso machine, this would be the one I would purchase. It appears it hit all the necessary marks. My speculation here is the reason why it's not as well known is because it's not Italian made, or made in Italy. I think this is what makes espresso machines especially appealing to most consumers.
That is one of the sleekest and coolest design I've seen. I love the color on that pressure gauge. Reminds me of the Rolex Datejust with a turquoise dial. PID and adjustable OPV is cherry on cake. Too bad they just hit the mark with the dual wall steam wand but seems like an amazing espresso machine overall. Stellar work on the vid as usual 👍
should have seen the color of the dial of the prototype. it was AWFUL. They did a nice job listening to criticism on the original color. so much quieter now, before it was so bright
Yes! The Sage Barista Pro I bought last year went South recently. I just mailed it back and am almost hoping it can't be fixed as the Profitec looks like such a better choice. One way or another, I eventually see myself buying this machine. Great review, as always!
I have the Barista Express not too different from the Pro. Currently paired with a Niche Zero grinder and it makes a world of a difference. I finally can drink espresso and not just cappuccinos or Flat Whites. The built in grinder in the Breville sucks badly. However I feel like I have maxed out the Barista for its limitations. I’d suggest that you hold on to your Sage a bit longer and save up a little bit for a more capable machine that will give you flexibility working with different roast levels and improve your overall workflow. If you mainly do espresso shots and not too many milk drinks then a single boiler should be fine and the Profitec GO does look like a great premium entry level machine.
Just in the process of returning my second Sage Bambino Plus after less than a year use. So selling it after it’s fixed under warranty and already got this ordered. Hopefully last longer than the two Sage products. Very light use and I live in a area with super clean water and cleaned and descaled wen needed to and still breaks.
I am on the wait list for a Profitec GO. They are shipping with a cool touch steam wand now. I understand they made the change after only 6 months, very responsive.
@@Phantoma3 I wanted to stay away from the all stainless body where every spot and fingerprint shows. A good comparable as they are the same price & quality, sister companies. But-the Casa does not have the LED readout for PID, shot timer etc. As a newbie I will take all the help I can get.
Thanks for the great video. Seems to be a direct competitor with Lelit Victoria. Would love to see a comparison video in terms of features and build quality. The manometer seems to be in a awkward position though
This is the first machine that seriously makes me consider upgrading from my old school gaggia classic. Has all the features that I would want for experimentation (access to OPV and PID mainly) maybe except for pre infusion, a nice small footprint and pretty design at a still reasonable price. But I think I would miss the pre infusion if i did upgrade, so I will still with my trusty GC
Gaggia classic pro has preinfusion or are you doing the hack of just opening up the steam wand? In that price point, only machine I know of that has auto preinfusion is Breville Bambino
Great review. Couple of questions though: 1. Is the gap between the group head and the tray enough to fit in a scale? 2. Does it do a pre-infusion? (Maybe you have a hack for it lol!)
1. Clearance is enough for a shot glass and scale 2. It doesn’t have pre-infusion programmed in, but you can do the same “steam arm flow control” trick I shared for the Gaggia Classic Pro
I have the machine, also some videos about it. But preinfusion is not even necessary, as full pressure takes about 5-10 sec. Thats more than enough. That’s the good think about vibration pumps, they have a slow pressure build up😊
Nice, I'm hoping to get one of these for review soon as well, though I think they have some stock issues in the UK. It's great to see manufacturers taking the more budget end of the market seriously. Not all of us can afford a Linea Micra 🤣
This might be "entry level" for the brand but this is for me the absolute end game at home. I do not know why anyone could ever need anything more, unless you're serving espresso to over 20 people or something, at which point you should just rent a pro machine or hire a barista with their own to do it.
Great review, as always! You said your only real nitpick on this machine is the lack of a cool touch steam wand. Wouldn't it be possible to retrofit a Pro 300 steam wand which sells for $22?
For me, I have a couple issues with this machine: Style (despite Profitec's known quality, their machine's with this style don't appeal to me. The Pro 300 is another example - a more personal issue than anything else) Build Quality Concerns (compared to GCP/Silvia, the main interactions with the machine via the buttons seem more likely to break over the life of the machine and potentially harder to replace) Hot Water Dispersion (at this price point, I shouldn't need to get hot water for an Americano by running the grouphead) That said, the easy access OPV and stock PID make this a very good competitor for Single Boilers. If Rancilio ever made a Single Boiler Silvia with a stock PID instead of forcing users to do aftermarket mods, it would probably be the perfect Single Boiler out there imo.
This comment did and didn't age well, not only Profitec machines have quality issues (buttons falling off, water tanks getting rust, PID's failing) GCP is also falliing apart with the coated aluminium boilers. I wasted 2 weeks of my time comparing these machines only to end up in same conclusion, Silvia is the king of single boilers.
Honestly, just whichever fits into your price range. If you’re going to be steaming a LOT like 3+ drinks in a row, stretch for the Pro400. But if you’re only or mostly doing espresso, the GO will be perfect. Also keep in mind grinder. The GO with a great grinder will preform better than the Pro400 with an OK grinder
Great comparison with that last sentence. I’ve had my sights set on the Silvia Pro X for the last month and this machine just blew my mind in price, quality and features. Thank you! Oh, and that was a quick like and subscribe 😊
For some of us, not having an insulated steam arm is a plus! I don’t want any ‘plastics’ in contact with liquids. Maybe they received that as feedback from customers already.
The GO now includes an insulted steam arm. There are PLENTY of completely safe high temperature plastics out there. Not something to be concerned about
Hello, first of all, I would like to thank you for providing the most descriptive, clear and understandable information among the videos I watched. I use delonghi ec680 at my home. I will have some questions. 1) If I buy Gagia Classic Evo 2023 after EC680, will I get a much better result in terms of espresso? 2) Does profitec pro go give a professional result that is much superior to gaggia in terms of espresso quality? Or is there no need to pay more for pro go because they will give the same results? 3) Will my espresso quality be much higher if I buy the higher priced machines profitec pro400 and ECM Classika II PID instead of profitec pro go? Or is there no need to bear such a cost as a home user? And finally, if we were to bear this cost, which would be your choice between pro400 and ECM Classika II PID?
Yes, going up to a boiler-driven machine with a full size 58mm portafilter will be a nice step up from your old 51mm Delonghi. Keep in mind that grinder quality plays an equal or larger role in overall shot quality than the machine itself, but all other variables the same, and any of the machines you mentioned will be a great upgrade. The Profitec GOs main advantage over the Gaggia is build quality and having a PID for better temperature control. If you aren't concerned about premium finishes and learn to manage the temperature on the Gaggia, the shots will be the same. If you want a more premium machine and perfect temperature without thinking about it, go with the Profitec. Upgrading to any of the other machines you mentioned will not see improvements to espresso quality, mainly they get better in terms of steaming power and capacity. If your after just espresso, stick with the Gaggia or Profitec GO, and if you want to invest more money into the setup do so into a grinder upgrade
Your answer helped me exactly like your videos. I was starting to think about buying Profitec go and Eureka Specilaita. I was just worried that Profitec go would be very inadequate in espresso output quality compared to ECM and profitec p400. But as I understand from your answer, Profitec go does not lag behind ECM and Pro400 in terms of quality espresso. Thank you very much again.@@LifestyleLab_
The Lelit Grace is a VERY serious competitor for this. Grace has a smaller boiler and lacks an externally adjustable OPV…. but it is also more than $300 less expensive, while having the PID and the manometer and even better ergonomics (fewer sharp metal angles).
Finally narrowed my choices down to this machine or the Breville dual boiler kit for $300 more. I realize they are different beasts and trying to make an intelligent choice. I am leaning towards the BDB for ease of use.
You should know... if you haven't already gotten the BDB, there is a chance it is being discontinued. I think Breville is hard at work on a new DB that is supposed to take its place. Its also possible, they have no intention of making a 'non-smart' Dual Boiler machine going forward, and just want people to go after their Touch/Oracle brand.
@@Burritosarebetterthantacos Sorry to hear that, not trying to give you buyers remorse! Its still on my list of machines to potentially get. I wouldn't pay $1599 however, maybe if BedBathBeyond has a sale... I also have $200 credit that I could apply towards it. Its such a feature rich machine that gets overshadowed by its build quality, I think.
@@tecnition What makes Breville better than any other machine is the sales. Last black friday BDB was 549€ when it normally goes for 1249€. Now thats a 56% discount. Usually best sales for Lelit are like 20%. Cheapest prosumer dual boilers start at 1500€ and breville is selling theirs for 549€
Great Review Stringly considering this for first machine Also came across an ascasa duo steel which I also love Do you think the upgrade is worth it ? I know there is a big difference in $$
Ascaso is only worth the additional money if you value the programmability and will be steaming a lot of milk. If mostly straight espresso, get the Profitec
Hi, I am in Australia. the price here of the Go, is 35% higher than the ECM Casa V. It is so high, it is very close to the price of the ECM Classica. May I ask, what machine you would buy with just $230 Aud difference in price and if you have the time, why you would choose that machine. Thank you very much.
Sadly this machine costs almost 3 times as much as a new Gaggia Classic Pro in Australia. A Breville Dual Boiler can be had for almost half when on sale, but that has it's own issues/design flaws.
No flow control right? Or preinfusion? Just a straight up 9 bar espresso machine? Looks really nice. Thanks for the review, have been looking at these…
In the US especially, this machine is a no-brainer. I mean... what competes with it, really? A Silvia is only $170 less and doesn't come with a PID, and the Lelit Victoria is $100 more for the same feature set.
Espresso noob here. It sounds like 9bar is kind of the optimal pressure for machines. When would be a time you’d need to manipulate the pressure and what are the outcomes?
Really, there isn’t a time. Some very specialty machine have started to give the ability to do this for a more gentle ramp up and ramp down similar to a lever machine. The flavour profile will be impacted, but we’re talking minute differences here. Nothing a beginner machine buyer should be taking into consideration
This is great, I’m totally going for it then! Thanks so much. Its too bad though, they have extra fees for Canada of about $200 more than Canadian websites, would have to buy elsewhere :(
Great vid! I almost bought the GO but went with the Ascaso Steel DUO mainly for the looks and a few more features. I’d love to see you do a review on the Steel DUO!
this machine reminds me of one of my earlier espresso makers, a Brasilia Club. Simple buttons, similar shaped steam control knob, fast heatup, good steam, 58mm and got the job done. Did not have pid in those days nor did it have a pressure gauge which I don't use anyway. why not show the internals?
Could you change the steam wand with a dual walled one? I wonder if anyone sells that. Otherwise I really like it. I want to try PID. I currently use a Flair 58 for my morning espresso. I don’t like my milk prep routine. I would get this machine and make some espresso with the Flair and milk with the P and sometime both with the P. I think it would be fun. I have a Rocket at the office and I can pull better espresso on the Flair. I love my “pressure profiling, pre-infusion” technique on my Flair. I have learned to pull some really good espresso. (At least I think its good….lol).
2 questions: 1 - are the buttons mechanical or electronic - can I turn it "on" and plug into a smart outlet with timer like I can for my GC? 2 - for someone who makes 1 or 2 milk based drinks at a time, would I notice the difference in quality of drink between this and a HX machine like the appartsmento? For reference I have a Eureka specialita grinder
Yes, the buttons are mechanical You would notice the difference in temperature stability over the Appartamento. If you’re making milk drinks, you’re likely better off with the Appartamento for the simultaneous steaming, over the slight advantage to espresso quality you’d get with this unit
A really nice machine, but not sure it's the Lelit Victoria killer it aims to be, as it lacks a hot water spout and pre-infusion. It does have a more accessible OPV adjustment and comes from a brand that some people prefer.
A few things I did not see a comment on, I assume it has a vibratory pump? is the brass use in the Boiler of lead free nature? Overall weight? How about a view of internals, this will provide a lot of insight on manufacture's attention to details.
Hi! Great video as always. I did really liked your video on the bambino (non plus) and bought one earlier this year. I realize that it has a lot of limitations vs more expensive single boiler model like this one but I really wonder if I will ever upgrade for one specific reason. The thermal jet technology. Am I underestimating how much improvement you get with the PID, pressure gauge and other feature from a $1k machine? I believe that the only upgrade worth doing would be going straight to dual boiler model in the 1.5k to 2k range. Am I completely off?
I am looking for something to replace my barista pro that bought in april. In that time using a sette 270wi I have gone through more than 15kg of coffee from lavazza super crema to locally roasted beans and have had 3 drinkable cups with wdt, calibrated/reg tamper etc. Every shot is sour and most sour & bitter, which should be impossible but it is a fact. Breville support has been non existant and I am ready to throw the whole thing in the dumpster as I have spent far more on beans than the cost of the pro itself and in 8 months I seem to have made 3 of the worlds most expensive shots. Seriously disappointed with breville and thinking the pro would be the answer for me. WHAT OPV range is available with the Go?
Hello, I am first time expresso machine buyer and your channel has been super informative ❤. I am thinking of getting this one, the Steel Uno, or the Diletta Mio. Do you have any advice to help me make a final decision? Thank you!
Honestly, all great options. This one is going to be the most solidly built, and fastest steaming, but the slowest to transition between brewing and steaming. Mio is essentially a Steel Duo but toned down to be more affordable (slower steaming, slightly less nice finishes). Steel Uno is sort of in the middle :)
This is a great looking machine. Price wise, in Australia it competes with the Lelit Victoria, not the Silvia (it's ~60% more expensive than the Silvia). It's a true toss-up for me between the Go (due to its looks) and the Victoria (couple more features).
I have the machine for 1 week now. Still trying to get used to it but I have a question : every time I start the machine in the morning, after the "up" message, I get the "flu" code: the machine wants me to pass water through the grouphead. The machine warms up to 260+F°... Are you getting the "flu" code?
This is only on first time startup. You didn’t properly flush the machine the first time, so it’s going to prompt you until you do so. Refer to the manual
Just bought one and in due to arrive tomorrow. So excited!! The vendor I bought from is out of the black colored version (I got blue) so maybe sales are doing well???
@@LifestyleLab_ Update. I am thoroughly impressed and happy with my new Profitec Go! I am a beginner and it is manual, but I can work with this unit easily. Love the pressure gauge and especially the PID controller. Surprise likes are convenience things ... large reservoir, large and very nice and functional drip tray and the shot timer.
Why should someone consider this over a Gaggia Classic Pro? of course, this has more features built in from the factory but at almost twice the price of a GCP these (and more) features could easily be added to a GCP with something like the Gaggiuino project. A thing you didn't mention in the video, can it do pre-infusion?
1. Because most people don’t want to, or don’t have the skills needed to modify their espresso machine 2. Build quality and longevity This doesn’t have an automatic pre-infusion, but you can use the steam wand pre-infusion trick I showed on the Gaggia
I’m getting ready to buy my first espresso machine. I was considering the breville barista pro but this is about the same price point so was wondering which you would recommend?
If this is maxing out your budget, you should go with the Barista Pro. With this, you will still need to spend at least another $400+ on a good espresso grinder to go along with it
Depends on what drinks you’re making and what grinder you’re pairing it with? If you pair it with a good grinder. Yes, this is a big step up in espresso quality from a Barista Pro.
Yes, that would be the best bet for sure :) Don’t want to be flipping back and forth between brewing and steaming, and the GO has enough capacity and power to do a large pitcher at once
There won’t be any differences in “pulling a shot”. These are all 58mm 9 bar machines, your grinder will be the determining factor in espresso quality :) Steaming power, the Profitec is far more powerful and has far more capacity than the Gaggia. Haven’t used the Casa V, but based on other ECMs, I’d image the Profitec is very similar (same company after all)
I think La Marzocco was pretty stringent about who they sent it to (only Lance and Spro from what I can see). But I would love to take a look if possible
hi great review - i have one on order - but i noticed from pictures and other users - the group head seems angled forward - can you tell me if thats a fact - is it the group head not level or just the outer shell thats leaning more forward ?
The boiler heats up in around 7 minutes!? Also, the brew to steam timing performance is weak. The former seems like a serious downside to me. It's nice that there is pressure control, though I'd prefer a more ergonomic way to change it.
7 minutes is a very average start up time for a boiler driven machine? This is a 400mL boiler. For comparison, the Silvia has the same size boiler and takes 90 seconds to transition…
@@LifestyleLab_ Maybe I've been spoiled with sub minute warm-up times with my machines so far. 7 min timing would drastically change my morning routine.
Sir, please help and guide me! Is it really worth paying twice the price and a bit more for the Profitec Go or should I stick to my decision to buy Gaggia Classic Evo? I am new to all this, and have heard great things about Gaggia but honestly, is the PID such a game changer here? Am I not able to pull good shots with Gaggia? Mostly espressos of course… And secondly, are Gaggia and Profitec Go portafilters compatible? Best Arber
Depends which grinder you're planning to buy to go along with it. If you're planning to use something cheap, you'd be much better getting the Gaggia and spending the extra money on a higher end grinder. The grinder has a far larger impact on espresso quality than the machine itself.
@@LifestyleLab_ I already bought Eureka Specialita, just because of what you mentioned. Overall, I should be able to get good consistent coffee with Gaggia then? Buying Profitec gives you peace of mind I assume but I would need to break the bank..
The Gaggia is a great machine and you will be very happy. Only shortcoming for me is if you will be steaming a lot the steam arm feels cheap. It just making espresso, you will have no regrets
@@LifestyleLab_ I may look stupid but after close consideration and especially after watching your Profitec Go review, I made the decision and ordered the Go. Mostly because I want to have peace of mind and want something that will last longer, plus I do not want to sit with the Gaggia while envying other machines for their PID's....
Thanks for the video. It convinced me to go ahead and preorder the Profitec Go. While waiting for it, I was watching other Profitec Go videos and certain "reviews" are almost giving me buyers remorse. However, I noticed that you commented on one of those videos and I definitely agree with you! Those amateur videos do an injustice to the Profitec Go since the "reviewer" seems too inexperienced, states inaccurate information and is quite sloppy in his workflow and handling of this beautiful high-end machine-although I honestly think he means well.
Hey, great in depth review! I ended up getting one of these and I'm having a hard time with milk steaming. First machine for me, so I'm trying Lance Hedrick's technique ie 1/2 way front to back, 1/4 towards one of the sides, and just barely under the tip for the initial foaming before submerging a little more for vortexing. Any advice? I'm thinking the 2 hole steam tip and the direction of the holes relative to the wand are messing me up
Sadly looking at my deeply modified GCP which now matches profitech go price but still has a tiny boiler, rubbish steam wand and questionable steam power T_T
Great video. Been watching all your videos to find the right espresso machine to buy for my first one. Would you recommendthis one, the Diletta Mio, or the Flair 58 Le modedl with the upgraded details and shot mirror. I have a milk frother already, so I can get the flair. Which would you recommend? Thanks, and keep up the great work.
If every drink you make is a latte, go with the Mio, if your drinks are mixed, I’d choose the Profitec GO. For me personally I’d buy the GO for the build quality. It feels great to use
It is a vibratory pump, as most machines below around $2500 tend to be, so it's definitely not silent. However it is MUCH quieter than entry level machines such as Brevilles that also use vibe pumps.
I was about to start my return process for my Gaggia Classic Pro that is still being shipped but my jaw dropped when I saw the price of the machine. It has all the bells and whistles I need as a beginning espresso enthusiast but man that price is just so high.
No, you won’t be able to add a flow control mod to this machine as those are typically for E61 group heads only. Only thing you could do would be a “dimmer mod” if you really want to. Pre-infusion is not adjustable, but the ramp up is slow
No pre-infusion on either, correct. If I ONLY drank lattes I’d pick the Mio. Any other combo of drinks I’d go with the GO. I prefer the build quality and overall feel of the Profitec, but if you steam every drink the separate heating loops are nice on the Diletta
Trying to get into making espresso but not sure which machine to get. Looking at the Profitec Go or the Rancilio Silvia with the pid already installed. Any help?
I was considering these as well there have been a lot of complaints about the water tank on the Victoria so went with the Go. No regrets it’s a great machine.
How does the $700 USD Lelit Anna 2 with a PID and an adjustable OPV compare to this? Is the 58mm portafilter and the build quality worth an extra $300 at this price point?
you should comare it to the victoria as it basically is the same machine + preinfusion (prewetting) functionailty. I would personally go with the lelit victoria because at my place it's also cheaper
With the OPV readily accessible couldn't you mod it for flow control? Even doing so with a stubby flat head screwdriver should work or am I missing something?
Problem is it’s not designed to be used in that way, so you’d be risking wearing out that adjustment / valve pre-maturely. Meant for occasional adjustments, not full profiling every shot
@@LifestyleLab_ Valves are designed to be adjusted, that's why they were invented. In industry we use automatic valves that adjust themselves 20-50 per second
@@LifestyleLab_ wondering if the boiler and warm up time or switch over time for steam will be hard to get used too. Coming from Breville I’m more attracted to the Ascaso but like this price :D
@@LifestyleLab_ i’m coming from the infuser with the smart grinder pro paired with it. Probably only once or twice a week do I make steamed milk drinks. The rest of the time I either do straight espresso or I throw in some hot water or ice and a little bit of cream. I like the idea of being more intentional with making espresso but you can’t deny the practicality of a program shop if you’re just grabbing a coffee before you get back to work multitasking in the morning
@aruppert314 absolutely! I think the espresso experience is better on the Profitec, great PID and classic boiler. If you're only doing one or two milk drinks a week, the transition time is totally manageable. And I'd give it the slight edge in build quality If you're in need of programmability, the Uno is nice, and steam will switch over faster. Luckily, you can't really go wrong with either. Because you drink so much espresso, I'd 100% recommend getting the one that allows you to allocate more budget to the grinder you'll be buying alongside it, as that will make a far larger impact to drink quality than the machine
Keep watching your videos trying to find my first espresso machine. I need some help. It is just me using it. My options are the Profitec go, Profite 400 w/ flow contral, Diletta Mio, or just get the breville barista impress just to learn. But then I will have to upgrade that soon. Which would you recommend?
Get the Profitec IF you can also afford to pair it with a good grinder. Don’t skimp on the grinder, as it’s the largest factor in getting good espresso. If you’re considering those other two machines, I’d stay away from Breville and just straight into something more pro-sumer
@LifestyleLab_ which profitec? The go, or is the 400 w/ flow control with the upgrade? They are offering free flow control with the 400. And what's a good espresso-only grinder?
If you will be making lots of milk drinks in a row, definitely the Pro400. Otherwise, the GO is a great machine for espresso and 1 or 2 milk drinks at a time. Grinders, the Mahlkonig X54 or DF64P are good options.
@LifestyleLab_ Thanks for the response. Are there any inexpensive Eureka grinders you would recommend? I know they have a lot of models. Any of those good gridners? Or any better than the 2 you mentioned? Keep up the great videos!
Eureka is also a good option, the Specialita is comparable to the others mentioned. It will have a bit more of a “traditional” espresso profile. The X54 is something I happily use for both espresso and filter.
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I've had mine for about 2 months now, upgraded from a Gaggia Classic Pro, and overall am very happy. I tend to drink lighter roasts so the PID is a massive improvement and worth the 2x/price, not to mention the other programming features, the timer, the really durable and sleek build and the fully rotational steam wand. My only negatives are that my pucks come out a little on the wet side (wetter than the Gaggia) and the height of the machine prevents me from getting cups on the cup warmer as my overhead cabinets interfere. Keep in mind prior to steaming you need to do two (2) 5-second purges from the steam wand (with a 10-second gap in between) to optimize steam capacity. 4.5 stars from me.
Your comment is pushing me more and more towards saving up for this instead of dipping my toes with a gaggia classic pro. I was leaning more towards the gaggia classic prestige but that is 600 dollars and no PID. I would rather not deal with modding it in myself. And the other smaller upgrades like a better portafilter basket and showerscreen can come later. I would rather have a strong base to work off of which will probably be the end espresso journey. Or maybe I eventually bump up to a double boiler like a Profitec 500 pro PID. Thanks for your input :3
Hi there, I want to hear your feedback after this longer period do you still recommend this machine over the gaggia? What are the pros and cons of each machine over the other according to your experience?
@@hazemelkady9087 my feelings are unchanged. I’m happy with my decision to buy the Go but if $ are an issue you can definitely make excellent espresso beverages with a Classic. The Go gives you more options/functionality and a faster and more efficient workflow.
Agree, do you fill go with the Profitec?
For light roasts, do you miss the lack of pre-infusion?
Hi, I received the Profitec Go just under one month ago from WLL. I'm finally getting everything set up, shots are dialed in and workflow is awesome. I just discover a pleasant surprise. Profitec upgraded the stream wand to "No-Burn." I had no idea since your video said it doesn't have it, but since I received my machine in January, it appears they quietly upgraded the steam wand with a teflon tube inside the steam wand! Just thought I would let you know.
Thanks for the update!! That’s great
I received mine a few weeks ago and I've been having a blast with it. It's my first espresso machine, so it's nice to hear validation from a real person. Everything works perfectly, and it looks beautiful. Plus it's short enough that I can fit some small cups on top, underneath my kitchen cabinets. I'm extremely happy that I went with this machine instead of listening to all the people on reddit and yt who seem to think that anything less than an $1800 dual boiler is simply not worth considering.
I heard the hot water dispenser for americano's is problematic. What do you think?
@@publicname515 there's no dedicated water spout, but you could either run hot water through the group head, or use the steam wand without heating up past 100C. Or just use a kettle. Hot water's pretty low-tech
@@publicname515 You don't already have a method of making hot water?
@@mattbrown292 I do have a nice kettle but was hoping to simplify the workflow .
There are two main types of people who go for the dual boiler: those who actually make lots of milk drinks, and those who want the prestige of a big flashy chrome E61. For those who just have a simple espresso or two daily, even an old used espresso ‘appliance’ can make great espresso if you can find a non-pressurized basket/handle setup, and can add flow control to your appliance.
I do love Profitec’s quality. I have a pro600 and could not be happier with it. Great stuff
Whole Latte Love Is AWESOME!!!! The customer service is great and they stand by the products they sell even if the company of origin does not! I purchased a machine from Whole Latte Love and it failed due to manufacturing. the company that I bought it from wanted to charge me shipping for the part (I could have purchased a brand new part with free shipping from the same manufacturer for a few more dollars) but Whole Latte Love exchanged it for me as it was in the 1 year warrantee.
They are absolutely stand up folks over there!
I agree. Purchased a prosumer machine from them 5 years ago. It died at about a year. They fixed it for free and I have now had 4 years of trouble free use.
I swear, if I was in the market for an espresso machine, this would be the one I would purchase. It appears it hit all the necessary marks. My speculation here is the reason why it's not as well known is because it's not Italian made, or made in Italy. I think this is what makes espresso machines especially appealing to most consumers.
Actually, it is made in Italy. The Profitec go and Profitec 300 are assembled in Milano according to Profitec.
I heard that the two lowest end Profitec models are actually made in Milan, Italy. The rest are made in Germany
I admit, I just don't like the name Profitec.
@@sympathetic_crustacean it sounds like a computer parts company name tbh 😂
That is one of the sleekest and coolest design I've seen. I love the color on that pressure gauge. Reminds me of the Rolex Datejust with a turquoise dial. PID and adjustable OPV is cherry on cake. Too bad they just hit the mark with the dual wall steam wand but seems like an amazing espresso machine overall. Stellar work on the vid as usual 👍
should have seen the color of the dial of the prototype. it was AWFUL. They did a nice job listening to criticism on the original color. so much quieter now, before it was so bright
They’re shipping with dual wall steam wands now.
@@NateKozlowski Well sh*t it's perfect now
I think one thing that you did not mention was that you can set a cleaning reminder on the PID. I just got this machine about a month ago and love it.
Thanks for sharing! That’s something I definitely missed
Yes! The Sage Barista Pro I bought last year went South recently. I just mailed it back and am almost hoping it can't be fixed as the Profitec looks like such a better choice. One way or another, I eventually see myself buying this machine. Great review, as always!
I have the Barista Express not too different from the Pro. Currently paired with a Niche Zero grinder and it makes a world of a difference. I finally can drink espresso and not just cappuccinos or Flat Whites. The built in grinder in the Breville sucks badly. However I feel like I have maxed out the Barista for its limitations. I’d suggest that you hold on to your Sage a bit longer and save up a little bit for a more capable machine that will give you flexibility working with different roast levels and improve your overall workflow. If you mainly do espresso shots and not too many milk drinks then a single boiler should be fine and the Profitec GO does look like a great premium entry level machine.
Just in the process of returning my second Sage Bambino Plus after less than a year use. So selling it after it’s fixed under warranty and already got this ordered. Hopefully last longer than the two Sage products. Very light use and I live in a area with super clean water and cleaned and descaled wen needed to and still breaks.
I am on the wait list for a Profitec GO. They are shipping with a cool touch steam wand now. I understand they made the change after only 6 months, very responsive.
Did you look at the ECM CASA V?
@@Phantoma3 I wanted to stay away from the all stainless body where every spot and fingerprint shows. A good comparable as they are the same price & quality, sister companies. But-the Casa does not have the LED readout for PID, shot timer etc. As a newbie I will take all the help I can get.
Thanks for the great video. Seems to be a direct competitor with Lelit Victoria. Would love to see a comparison video in terms of features and build quality. The manometer seems to be in a awkward position though
This is the first machine that seriously makes me consider upgrading from my old school gaggia classic. Has all the features that I would want for experimentation (access to OPV and PID mainly) maybe except for pre infusion, a nice small footprint and pretty design at a still reasonable price. But I think I would miss the pre infusion if i did upgrade, so I will still with my trusty GC
if you open the steam wand like with the gcp you can do pre infusion
Gaggia classic pro has preinfusion or are you doing the hack of just opening up the steam wand? In that price point, only machine I know of that has auto preinfusion is Breville Bambino
So have you got the profetic go or kept the gaggia? And what is your experience if so?
Just a pre infusion and it would've been picture perfect, but i love it, thanks for your help and great videos
Great review. Couple of questions though:
1. Is the gap between the group head and the tray enough to fit in a scale?
2. Does it do a pre-infusion? (Maybe you have a hack for it lol!)
1. Clearance is enough for a shot glass and scale
2. It doesn’t have pre-infusion programmed in, but you can do the same “steam arm flow control” trick I shared for the Gaggia Classic Pro
@@LifestyleLab_ That is what I thought. Thank you very much for your reply.
@@KrishnenduKes Just keep in mind that if you do a hack pre-infusion with the steam wand that you are slightly impacting the temperature at the group
@@michaelschenker8326 Noted!
I have the machine, also some videos about it. But preinfusion is not even necessary, as full pressure takes about 5-10 sec. Thats more than enough. That’s the good think about vibration pumps, they have a slow pressure build up😊
ECM Classika PID would be my choice for a single boiler.
Nice, I'm hoping to get one of these for review soon as well, though I think they have some stock issues in the UK. It's great to see manufacturers taking the more budget end of the market seriously. Not all of us can afford a Linea Micra 🤣
This might be "entry level" for the brand but this is for me the absolute end game at home. I do not know why anyone could ever need anything more, unless you're serving espresso to over 20 people or something, at which point you should just rent a pro machine or hire a barista with their own to do it.
Great review, as always!
You said your only real nitpick on this machine is the lack of a cool touch steam wand.
Wouldn't it be possible to retrofit a Pro 300 steam wand which sells for $22?
Great Review! I understand, however, that it does not have a pre-infusion feature, correct?
For me, I have a couple issues with this machine:
Style (despite Profitec's known quality, their machine's with this style don't appeal to me. The Pro 300 is another example - a more personal issue than anything else)
Build Quality Concerns (compared to GCP/Silvia, the main interactions with the machine via the buttons seem more likely to break over the life of the machine and potentially harder to replace)
Hot Water Dispersion (at this price point, I shouldn't need to get hot water for an Americano by running the grouphead)
That said, the easy access OPV and stock PID make this a very good competitor for Single Boilers. If Rancilio ever made a Single Boiler Silvia with a stock PID instead of forcing users to do aftermarket mods, it would probably be the perfect Single Boiler out there imo.
This comment did and didn't age well, not only Profitec machines have quality issues (buttons falling off, water tanks getting rust, PID's failing) GCP is also falliing apart with the coated aluminium boilers. I wasted 2 weeks of my time comparing these machines only to end up in same conclusion, Silvia is the king of single boilers.
Very nice! Im more than happy with my Gaggia Classic with Gaggiuino mod.
Between the PRO 400 and the GO... Bang for your Buck, what would would you recommend? Thanks!
Honestly, just whichever fits into your price range. If you’re going to be steaming a LOT like 3+ drinks in a row, stretch for the Pro400. But if you’re only or mostly doing espresso, the GO will be perfect.
Also keep in mind grinder. The GO with a great grinder will preform better than the Pro400 with an OK grinder
Great comparison with that last sentence. I’ve had my sights set on the Silvia Pro X for the last month and this machine just blew my mind in price, quality and features. Thank you! Oh, and that was a quick like and subscribe 😊
Great review! Do you think it will pair well with an Eureka Specialita or Zero or would recommend aiming a bit higher on the grinder?
@@martinsepulveda2208 Both great options, I'd say at a level appropriate for this machine
@@LifestyleLab_ great, thanks! I was looking at the DF83 too, but thought it could be a bit overkill (although it gives you more room to grow).
For some of us, not having an insulated steam arm is a plus! I don’t want any ‘plastics’ in contact with liquids. Maybe they received that as feedback from customers already.
The GO now includes an insulted steam arm.
There are PLENTY of completely safe high temperature plastics out there. Not something to be concerned about
Hello, first of all, I would like to thank you for providing the most descriptive, clear and understandable information among the videos I watched. I use delonghi ec680 at my home. I will have some questions.
1) If I buy Gagia Classic Evo 2023 after EC680, will I get a much better result in terms of espresso?
2) Does profitec pro go give a professional result that is much superior to gaggia in terms of espresso quality? Or is there no need to pay more for pro go because they will give the same results?
3) Will my espresso quality be much higher if I buy the higher priced machines profitec pro400 and ECM Classika II PID instead of profitec pro go? Or is there no need to bear such a cost as a home user? And finally, if we were to bear this cost, which would be your choice between pro400 and ECM Classika II PID?
Yes, going up to a boiler-driven machine with a full size 58mm portafilter will be a nice step up from your old 51mm Delonghi. Keep in mind that grinder quality plays an equal or larger role in overall shot quality than the machine itself, but all other variables the same, and any of the machines you mentioned will be a great upgrade.
The Profitec GOs main advantage over the Gaggia is build quality and having a PID for better temperature control. If you aren't concerned about premium finishes and learn to manage the temperature on the Gaggia, the shots will be the same. If you want a more premium machine and perfect temperature without thinking about it, go with the Profitec. Upgrading to any of the other machines you mentioned will not see improvements to espresso quality, mainly they get better in terms of steaming power and capacity. If your after just espresso, stick with the Gaggia or Profitec GO, and if you want to invest more money into the setup do so into a grinder upgrade
Your answer helped me exactly like your videos. I was starting to think about buying Profitec go and Eureka Specilaita. I was just worried that Profitec go would be very inadequate in espresso output quality compared to ECM and profitec p400. But as I understand from your answer, Profitec go does not lag behind ECM and Pro400 in terms of quality espresso. Thank you very much again.@@LifestyleLab_
They nailed the Go like you nailed this review. GG bud.
The Lelit Grace is a VERY serious competitor for this. Grace has a smaller boiler and lacks an externally adjustable OPV…. but it is also more than $300 less expensive, while having the PID and the manometer and even better ergonomics (fewer sharp metal angles).
Also a good option!
I do find that Lelit always lags Profitec a bit in terms of build quality however
In australia lelit victoria is cheaper would be better the Victoria and spend more money on a grinder ?
Finally narrowed my choices down to this machine or the Breville dual boiler kit for $300 more. I realize they are different beasts and trying to make an intelligent choice. I am leaning towards the BDB for ease of use.
You should know... if you haven't already gotten the BDB, there is a chance it is being discontinued. I think Breville is hard at work on a new DB that is supposed to take its place. Its also possible, they have no intention of making a 'non-smart' Dual Boiler machine going forward, and just want people to go after their Touch/Oracle brand.
@@tecnition I already bought it😂. I like it OK but it doesn’t really feel like it was worth the price.
@@Burritosarebetterthantacos Sorry to hear that, not trying to give you buyers remorse! Its still on my list of machines to potentially get. I wouldn't pay $1599 however, maybe if BedBathBeyond has a sale... I also have $200 credit that I could apply towards it. Its such a feature rich machine that gets overshadowed by its build quality, I think.
@@tecnition bed bath and beyond always has 20% off coupons floating around and I’ve heard people using them to buy the BDB at a discount.
@@tecnition What makes Breville better than any other machine is the sales. Last black friday BDB was 549€ when it normally goes for 1249€. Now thats a 56% discount. Usually best sales for Lelit are like 20%. Cheapest prosumer dual boilers start at 1500€ and breville is selling theirs for 549€
Great Review
Stringly considering this for first machine
Also came across an ascasa duo steel which I also love
Do you think the upgrade is worth it ? I know there is a big difference in $$
Ascaso is only worth the additional money if you value the programmability and will be steaming a lot of milk. If mostly straight espresso, get the Profitec
Great review as always!
A dimmer mod on this machine would be super easy, making this machine overpowered at the price.
In a pinch, you could also do the steam arm flow control hack I showed on the Gaggia
Hi, I am in Australia. the price here of the Go, is 35% higher than the ECM Casa V. It is so high, it is very close to the price of the ECM Classica. May I ask, what machine you would buy with just $230 Aud difference in price and if you have the time, why you would choose that machine. Thank you very much.
Sadly this machine costs almost 3 times as much as a new Gaggia Classic Pro in Australia. A Breville Dual Boiler can be had for almost half when on sale, but that has it's own issues/design flaws.
What issues it has?
No flow control right? Or preinfusion? Just a straight up 9 bar espresso machine? Looks really nice. Thanks for the review, have been looking at these…
Correct, no flow control or programmed in pre-infusion
In the US especially, this machine is a no-brainer. I mean... what competes with it, really? A Silvia is only $170 less and doesn't come with a PID, and the Lelit Victoria is $100 more for the same feature set.
Here in australia lelit victoria is cheaper so would be better the Victoria?
@@sebastianayala5621 Both good choices.
Espresso noob here. It sounds like 9bar is kind of the optimal pressure for machines. When would be a time you’d need to manipulate the pressure and what are the outcomes?
Really, there isn’t a time. Some very specialty machine have started to give the ability to do this for a more gentle ramp up and ramp down similar to a lever machine. The flavour profile will be impacted, but we’re talking minute differences here. Nothing a beginner machine buyer should be taking into consideration
This is great, I’m totally going for it then! Thanks so much. Its too bad though, they have extra fees for Canada of about $200 more than Canadian websites, would have to buy elsewhere :(
That's a beast at that price point.
Just got mine, it has a dual-wall steam arm now!
Great video as always - thanks dude! That clearance looks a little tight with those propel glasses - but they are tall glasses!
It’s a little tight, but better than something like a Gaggia
I would like to see comparision between Lelit Victoria and Profitec Go. Which one is bether?
Great vid! I almost bought the GO but went with the Ascaso Steel DUO mainly for the looks and a few more features. I’d love to see you do a review on the Steel DUO!
Coming soon!
Definitely a much higher price point, but looks to be another great machine
Thanks for the review. You're right. Not sure why this machine isn't getting more attention.
It might not be getting much attention in the US. But it certainly is in Europe. Can't even buy one here in the UK. Sold out everywhere.
its hard to get! ive been trying to get a unit to review but they sell out like nuts lol
this machine reminds me of one of my earlier espresso makers, a Brasilia Club. Simple buttons, similar shaped steam control knob, fast heatup, good steam, 58mm and got the job done. Did not have pid in those days nor did it have a pressure gauge which I don't use anyway. why not show the internals?
Could you change the steam wand with a dual walled one? I wonder if anyone sells that. Otherwise I really like it. I want to try PID. I currently use a Flair 58 for my morning espresso. I don’t like my milk prep routine. I would get this machine and make some espresso with the Flair and milk with the P and sometime both with the P. I think it would be fun. I have a Rocket at the office and I can pull better espresso on the Flair. I love my “pressure profiling, pre-infusion” technique on my Flair. I have learned to pull some really good espresso. (At least I think its good….lol).
Hello, is there any way to dispense hot water from the machine through the steam wand?
FYI - new versions of the GO have dual walled steam wands.
Great review. Very professional production.
I ordered this over a week ago from whole latte love.... 3 days later they told me it was out of stock!!! .... Hopefully it's worth the wait.....
It will be! Don’t worry
2 questions: 1 - are the buttons mechanical or electronic - can I turn it "on" and plug into a smart outlet with timer like I can for my GC?
2 - for someone who makes 1 or 2 milk based drinks at a time, would I notice the difference in quality of drink between this and a HX machine like the appartsmento? For reference I have a Eureka specialita grinder
Yes, the buttons are mechanical
You would notice the difference in temperature stability over the Appartamento. If you’re making milk drinks, you’re likely better off with the Appartamento for the simultaneous steaming, over the slight advantage to espresso quality you’d get with this unit
A really nice machine, but not sure it's the Lelit Victoria killer it aims to be, as it lacks a hot water spout and pre-infusion. It does have a more accessible OPV adjustment and comes from a brand that some people prefer.
Such a great package for the entry level enthousiast. Much better than those Sage consumables.
A few things I did not see a comment on, I assume it has a vibratory pump? is the brass use in the Boiler of lead free nature? Overall weight? How about a view of internals, this will provide a lot of insight on manufacture's attention to details.
I would like to know this as well.
Hi! Great video as always. I did really liked your video on the bambino (non plus) and bought one earlier this year. I realize that it has a lot of limitations vs more expensive single boiler model like this one but I really wonder if I will ever upgrade for one specific reason. The thermal jet technology. Am I underestimating how much improvement you get with the PID, pressure gauge and other feature from a $1k machine? I believe that the only upgrade worth doing would be going straight to dual boiler model in the 1.5k to 2k range. Am I completely off?
The main difference will be the temperature stability of the portafilter, and the 58mm size. You will notice a difference in espresso quality
I think this one checks all the boxes for me!
A very interesting discovery for me. Thanks a lot.
I am looking for something to replace my barista pro that bought in april. In that time using a sette 270wi I have gone through more than 15kg of coffee from lavazza super crema to locally roasted beans and have had 3 drinkable cups with wdt, calibrated/reg tamper etc. Every shot is sour and most sour & bitter, which should be impossible but it is a fact. Breville support has been non existant and I am ready to throw the whole thing in the dumpster as I have spent far more on beans than the cost of the pro itself and in 8 months I seem to have made 3 of the worlds most expensive shots. Seriously disappointed with breville and thinking the pro would be the answer for me. WHAT OPV range is available with the Go?
Hello, I am first time expresso machine buyer and your channel has been super informative ❤. I am thinking of getting this one, the Steel Uno, or the Diletta Mio. Do you have any advice to help me make a final decision? Thank you!
Honestly, all great options. This one is going to be the most solidly built, and fastest steaming, but the slowest to transition between brewing and steaming. Mio is essentially a Steel Duo but toned down to be more affordable (slower steaming, slightly less nice finishes). Steel Uno is sort of in the middle :)
This is a great looking machine. Price wise, in Australia it competes with the Lelit Victoria, not the Silvia (it's ~60% more expensive than the Silvia). It's a true toss-up for me between the Go (due to its looks) and the Victoria (couple more features).
I have the machine for 1 week now. Still trying to get used to it but I have a question : every time I start the machine in the morning, after the "up" message, I get the "flu" code: the machine wants me to pass water through the grouphead. The machine warms up to 260+F°... Are you getting the "flu" code?
This is only on first time startup. You didn’t properly flush the machine the first time, so it’s going to prompt you until you do so. Refer to the manual
Just bought one and in due to arrive tomorrow. So excited!! The vendor I bought from is out of the black colored version (I got blue) so maybe sales are doing well???
Enjoy!
Yes, this is a very popular unit (for good reason). Retailers are struggling to hold stock
@@LifestyleLab_ Update. I am thoroughly impressed and happy with my new Profitec Go! I am a beginner and it is manual, but I can work with this unit easily. Love the pressure gauge and especially the PID controller. Surprise likes are convenience things ... large reservoir, large and very nice and functional drip tray and the shot timer.
Thanks for the update!
Glad you’re enjoying
How to you like the color? I was thinking of getting one in blue
@@rickygarcia1926 Yep I like it. Not overwhelming, adds a little color and I think it will age well. Thumbs up!
Why should someone consider this over a Gaggia Classic Pro? of course, this has more features built in from the factory but at almost twice the price of a GCP these (and more) features could easily be added to a GCP with something like the Gaggiuino project.
A thing you didn't mention in the video, can it do pre-infusion?
1. Because most people don’t want to, or don’t have the skills needed to modify their espresso machine
2. Build quality and longevity
This doesn’t have an automatic pre-infusion, but you can use the steam wand pre-infusion trick I showed on the Gaggia
I’m getting ready to buy my first espresso machine. I was considering the breville barista pro but this is about the same price point so was wondering which you would recommend?
If this is maxing out your budget, you should go with the Barista Pro. With this, you will still need to spend at least another $400+ on a good espresso grinder to go along with it
How do I know the water tank is out of water?
Would you consider this a big upgrade from a Breville Barista Pro? Or would you recommend saving for a dual boiler machine?
Depends on what drinks you’re making and what grinder you’re pairing it with?
If you pair it with a good grinder. Yes, this is a big step up in espresso quality from a Barista Pro.
@@LifestyleLab_ thank you for the quick response! Currently looking at the Eureka Mignon as the grinder of choice for it.
Why did they opt for PUSH-BUTTONS rather than the more RELIABLE rocker or toggle switches?
Profitec GO is manufactured in Italy. It says on their website.
thats why its falling apart.
What’s the best workflow, in your opinion, for two latte with Profitec go? Pull two shots and after steam an amount enough for both is a good ideia?
Yes, that would be the best bet for sure :)
Don’t want to be flipping back and forth between brewing and steaming, and the GO has enough capacity and power to do a large pitcher at once
@@LifestyleLab_thanks
Too bad you don’t demonstrate pulling a shot. I’d like to see how this unit compares to a Gaggia Pro and ECM Casa V at pulling shots and steaming.
There won’t be any differences in “pulling a shot”. These are all 58mm 9 bar machines, your grinder will be the determining factor in espresso quality :)
Steaming power, the Profitec is far more powerful and has far more capacity than the Gaggia. Haven’t used the Casa V, but based on other ECMs, I’d image the Profitec is very similar (same company after all)
Do you know if you'll be getting a Linea Micra? That's something I'm more interested in, but I'm not sure about its Canadian release schedule.
I think La Marzocco was pretty stringent about who they sent it to (only Lance and Spro from what I can see). But I would love to take a look if possible
Omg! I wish this thing would come to South Africa 🇿🇦 😮
hi great review - i have one on order - but i noticed from pictures and other users - the group head seems angled forward - can you tell me if thats a fact - is it the group head not level or just the outer shell thats leaning more forward ?
The boiler heats up in around 7 minutes!? Also, the brew to steam timing performance is weak.
The former seems like a serious downside to me.
It's nice that there is pressure control, though I'd prefer a more ergonomic way to change it.
7 minutes is a very average start up time for a boiler driven machine?
This is a 400mL boiler. For comparison, the Silvia has the same size boiler and takes 90 seconds to transition…
@@LifestyleLab_ Maybe I've been spoiled with sub minute warm-up times with my machines so far.
7 min timing would drastically change my morning routine.
Sir, please help and guide me!
Is it really worth paying twice the price and a bit more for the Profitec Go or should I stick to my decision to buy Gaggia Classic Evo? I am new to all this, and have heard great things about Gaggia but honestly, is the PID such a game changer here? Am I not able to pull good shots with Gaggia? Mostly espressos of course…
And secondly, are Gaggia and Profitec Go portafilters compatible?
Best
Arber
Depends which grinder you're planning to buy to go along with it. If you're planning to use something cheap, you'd be much better getting the Gaggia and spending the extra money on a higher end grinder. The grinder has a far larger impact on espresso quality than the machine itself.
@@LifestyleLab_ I already bought Eureka Specialita, just because of what you mentioned. Overall, I should be able to get good consistent coffee with Gaggia then?
Buying Profitec gives you peace of mind I assume but I would need to break the bank..
The Gaggia is a great machine and you will be very happy. Only shortcoming for me is if you will be steaming a lot the steam arm feels cheap. It just making espresso, you will have no regrets
@@LifestyleLab_ great - I stick to Gaggia. Many thanks!! All the best.
@@LifestyleLab_ I may look stupid but after close consideration and especially after watching your Profitec Go review, I made the decision and ordered the Go. Mostly because I want to have peace of mind and want something that will last longer, plus I do not want to sit with the Gaggia while envying other machines for their PID's....
Thanks for the video. It convinced me to go ahead and preorder the Profitec Go. While waiting for it, I was watching other Profitec Go videos and certain "reviews" are almost giving me buyers remorse. However, I noticed that you commented on one of those videos and I definitely agree with you! Those amateur videos do an injustice to the Profitec Go since the "reviewer" seems too inexperienced, states inaccurate information and is quite sloppy in his workflow and handling of this beautiful high-end machine-although I honestly think he means well.
Don’t get buyers remorse, it is a fantastic machine. Definitely the single boiler I’d own if I had to pick just one machine for home
This machine seems nearly perfect for its price range. All it's missing is an insulated steam wand and pre-infusion. So close!
It now has an insulated steam arm :)
Hey, great in depth review! I ended up getting one of these and I'm having a hard time with milk steaming. First machine for me, so I'm trying Lance Hedrick's technique ie 1/2 way front to back, 1/4 towards one of the sides, and just barely under the tip for the initial foaming before submerging a little more for vortexing. Any advice? I'm thinking the 2 hole steam tip and the direction of the holes relative to the wand are messing me up
Nothing but practice practice practice, and focus on the swirl after the initial 2-3 seconds of air introduction. Integrating is way more important :)
Sadly looking at my deeply modified GCP which now matches profitech go price but still has a tiny boiler, rubbish steam wand and questionable steam power T_T
Great video. Been watching all your videos to find the right espresso machine to buy for my first one. Would you recommendthis one, the Diletta Mio, or the Flair 58 Le modedl with the upgraded details and shot mirror. I have a milk frother already, so I can get the flair. Which would you recommend? Thanks, and keep up the great work.
If you’re happy with whatever milk frother you have, get the Flair. If you want truly silky steamed milk, go with the Profitec or Mio.
@Lifestyle Lab Thanks. Between the Profitec or Mio, which would you recommend?
If every drink you make is a latte, go with the Mio, if your drinks are mixed, I’d choose the Profitec GO.
For me personally I’d buy the GO for the build quality. It feels great to use
@@LifestyleLab_ Thanks so much for responding
the short height between spout and dip tray is a dealbreaker... leaving no room for a scale underneath the cup. what a missed...
Can you make an Americano using the steam wand?
Would you recommend me to spend a little more and go for the rancilio pro x ?
In most markets, the Rancilio Pro X is a LOT more, not a little
HI, did you find the machine loud? That's a real concern for me.
It is a vibratory pump, as most machines below around $2500 tend to be, so it's definitely not silent. However it is MUCH quieter than entry level machines such as Brevilles that also use vibe pumps.
I was about to start my return process for my Gaggia Classic Pro that is still being shipped but my jaw dropped when I saw the price of the machine. It has all the bells and whistles I need as a beginning espresso enthusiast but man that price is just so high.
Does it have any capacity for pre infusion? Or add a flow control mod?
No, you won’t be able to add a flow control mod to this machine as those are typically for E61 group heads only. Only thing you could do would be a “dimmer mod” if you really want to.
Pre-infusion is not adjustable, but the ramp up is slow
Currently torn between the Go and Ascaso Steel Uno. Thoughts?
I’d go with the GO (no pun intended)
Far superior steaming, excellent build quality, compact size
Would you recommend the Profitec 400 over the Profitec Go?
If you’ll be making lots of milk drinks, yes. If making mostly espresso and only occasional milk drinks, no
Would you rather have this or the Diletta Mio? I don't think either have pre-infusion right?
No pre-infusion on either, correct.
If I ONLY drank lattes I’d pick the Mio. Any other combo of drinks I’d go with the GO. I prefer the build quality and overall feel of the Profitec, but if you steam every drink the separate heating loops are nice on the Diletta
@@LifestyleLab_ thanks for the quick reply! I'm a latte guy!
Wonder why they didn't put a double wall steam wand. It would basically be a perfect machine at that size and price point with that small upgrade
Apparently they DO have a no burn steam arm now!
@@LifestyleLab_ darn, then that is one appealing machine 😬
Trying to get into making espresso but not sure which machine to get. Looking at the Profitec Go or the Rancilio Silvia with the pid already installed. Any help?
Go with the Profitec, hands down. More integrated design, better build, better drip tray, bigger water tank… list goes on
Thanks for the advice!
Which would you choose: ECM Casa V or Profitec Go? Thanks.
I would pick the Profitec for the temperature accuracy, and more modern build
That looks absolutely fantastic.
Really trying to decide between this and the quick mill pippa
Get this. Different league than Quickmill in terms of build quality
No hot water option?
thanks for the review. how would you compare this to the Lelit Victoria?
Quite similar machines, Profitec has superior build quality and finishing in my opinion
I was considering these as well there have been a lot of complaints about the water tank on the Victoria so went with the Go. No regrets it’s a great machine.
@@zoonabarI pulled the plug and have had the Go for the past week. Really glad I did. It's excellent. No complaints.
How does the $700 USD Lelit Anna 2 with a PID and an adjustable OPV compare to this? Is the 58mm portafilter and the build quality worth an extra $300 at this price point?
you should comare it to the victoria as it basically is the same machine + preinfusion (prewetting) functionailty. I would personally go with the lelit victoria because at my place it's also cheaper
With the OPV readily accessible couldn't you mod it for flow control? Even doing so with a stubby flat head screwdriver should work or am I missing something?
Problem is it’s not designed to be used in that way, so you’d be risking wearing out that adjustment / valve pre-maturely.
Meant for occasional adjustments, not full profiling every shot
@@LifestyleLab_ Valves are designed to be adjusted, that's why they were invented. In industry we use automatic valves that adjust themselves 20-50 per second
@@DuBstep115 You can't group all "valves" under one umbrella just because some are designed for high duty cycles.
If I don’t need a dual boiler or thermo block, would you recommend this or the Ascaso Uno?
This :)
@@LifestyleLab_ wondering if the boiler and warm up time or switch over time for steam will be hard to get used too. Coming from Breville I’m more attracted to the Ascaso but like this price :D
@aruppert314 which Breville are you coming from, and what drinks do you make in a day?
@@LifestyleLab_ i’m coming from the infuser with the smart grinder pro paired with it. Probably only once or twice a week do I make steamed milk drinks. The rest of the time I either do straight espresso or I throw in some hot water or ice and a little bit of cream.
I like the idea of being more intentional with making espresso but you can’t deny the practicality of a program shop if you’re just grabbing a coffee before you get back to work multitasking in the morning
@aruppert314 absolutely!
I think the espresso experience is better on the Profitec, great PID and classic boiler. If you're only doing one or two milk drinks a week, the transition time is totally manageable. And I'd give it the slight edge in build quality
If you're in need of programmability, the Uno is nice, and steam will switch over faster.
Luckily, you can't really go wrong with either. Because you drink so much espresso, I'd 100% recommend getting the one that allows you to allocate more budget to the grinder you'll be buying alongside it, as that will make a far larger impact to drink quality than the machine
Keep watching your videos trying to find my first espresso machine. I need some help. It is just me using it. My options are the Profitec go, Profite 400 w/ flow contral, Diletta Mio, or just get the breville barista impress just to learn. But then I will have to upgrade that soon. Which would you recommend?
Get the Profitec IF you can also afford to pair it with a good grinder. Don’t skimp on the grinder, as it’s the largest factor in getting good espresso.
If you’re considering those other two machines, I’d stay away from Breville and just straight into something more pro-sumer
@LifestyleLab_ which profitec? The go, or is the 400 w/ flow control with the upgrade? They are offering free flow control with the 400. And what's a good espresso-only grinder?
If you will be making lots of milk drinks in a row, definitely the Pro400. Otherwise, the GO is a great machine for espresso and 1 or 2 milk drinks at a time.
Grinders, the Mahlkonig X54 or DF64P are good options.
@LifestyleLab_ Thanks for the response. Are there any inexpensive Eureka grinders you would recommend? I know they have a lot of models. Any of those good gridners? Or any better than the 2 you mentioned? Keep up the great videos!
Eureka is also a good option, the Specialita is comparable to the others mentioned. It will have a bit more of a “traditional” espresso profile. The X54 is something I happily use for both espresso and filter.
Sold out everywhere of course
All the colors except black are in stock at the moment