Rigged? Destroying Basketball.. 2012 NBA Finals flops and refereeing in favor of Miami Heat. Part 2
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- "They are the biggest flopping team in the NBA. It'll be very interesting (to see) how the referees officiate the series and how much flopping they reward... Every drive to the basket, they have guys not making a play on the ball, but sliding in front of drivers. Oftentimes they're falling down even before contact is even being made. It'll be interesting to see how the series is officiated." ----Pacers head coach Frank Vogel says about the Heat
This video was not made to malicious disrespect the Heat and their fans. It was made disrespect the fanatical idolizing fans who attack anyone that didn't agree with the Finals. I'm just being their voice. We are not HATERS! We have a right to disagree like everyone else and not be attacked by fanatical idolizing fans... I am not a fan of a certain team. I'm a fan of the NBA. I've been watching it since 1990. I have no favorite team today because players don't care about the cities they play for. They only care about the money and rings. The state that the NBA is in is embarrassing. Some of you weren't old enough or born yet to understand the horrible, less competitive, changes it's taking. I think Lebron, Wade, Kobe, Chris Paul, Carmelo, KD, Bosh, Rose, D.William, D.Howard, etc. are some of the greatest players in the league. The Miami Heat are too talented to have to whine for calls on every transition, flop, and receive special treatment. This is killing the sport... The Miami Heat are now the representatives of the NBA, I'll give them and other players the respect they deserve when I see them play hard, honest basketball again.
Furthermore, the reason why I named most if these staggers and falls FLOPS is because having individual names would be very excessive. A flop is when a player tries to or overreacts to physical contact, whether they fall completely down or staggers, just to obtain an Offensive or Defensive foul on their opponent. Whether they get the call or not doesn't authenticate it as a flop. You are giving the flop too much authenticity as a NBA technique when its a dirty sneaky move that takes away from the game. Players are doing it so much right now that we don't know if its intentional or unintentional...
Those commentators that spoke out probably got sued $20,000 for saying the truth
Do you know their names?
I love it 6`8 240 lbs LeBron James leads with his shoulder into 6`1 210 lbs Derrick Fisher, and Fisher is called with a flagrant
yeah ficherwas pretty strong even for a 61 210 pound man who intended to foul LeBron jamaes
The fact that the ref high-fived the Heat coach is what pains me most.
‼️ and people turn a blind eye 💀 how do people respct that?!
@@cosmicconciousyo when did that happen? I wanna see that
@@GXprogamer just search up erik spol winking/shaking up refs. i dont remember the time stamp if this video
NOTHING COMPARED to game 6 of the 02 Western Conference Finals between Lakers n Kings!!!
Worst officiated game in NBA history!!!!!
don't forget game 5 eastern conference finals 1993 Bulls@Knicks. phantom fouls all over the place which cost the knicks the series after leading 2-0
That's when I knew for a fact the NBA is rigged.....and I'm a Lakers fan
@@jonathanaldridge6730 It sickens Chris Webber to this day as well
@@careyrobinson7467 I mean this is kind of like enforcing the rules that don't exist when the other team is playing they get away with everything Miami when you play with them in 2012
well they aint flop as much as this heat team. they may have gotten phantom calls but they aint flop to get to 4 straight nba finals like this heat team
Oh my god I can't believe it! At 3:10 the ref gives Erik a high five and Erik returns it by giving him a high five too. Man when I watched these games I didn't even notice the high five!!! Unbelievable...
Jeff van Gundy should be the commissioner
WWE is less rigged.
it's not really rigged it's scripted
Really? It's fucking semantics.
my ass
This is what I automatically thought of when LeBron said none of my teams have been known for flopping during the Warriors series #KingOfCap
pretty obvious the NBA fixed Miami Heat to win those Finals. Unfortunately, it's not illegal, and perfectly allowed for that to happen.
Um....how is it illegal for a privately owned business to fix their own outcomes? Remember, everyone is under a labor contract filled with anti-trust laws.
NBA players, refs, coaches and all personnel are all working for the same company. Each team is a franchise operated by the same organization. They're all under labor contracts and are told what to do by their employer. The NBA is filed under federal law as an entertainment entity, not legitimate competition. This has already been argued over and presented in countless supreme court and federal court cases. The NBA is legally allowed to fix their own outcomes.
All pro sports operate this way. However, the NBA is the easiest to spot, and does the poorest trying to hide it.
"if u cant flop better then u might as well just join em" -jr & iman
see ??? HEAT VS KNICKS ??? hear the commentator " why kind of league are we becoming if thats a flagrant foul ?
I've watched both of these videos and first i thought this was ridiculous. I knew the heat were a flopping team, but i never actually took the time to look through these games like you did. the heat should not have won in 2012..
Hell game 5 was at their place when the home court alternates every two games. Since the Thunder had home court first, even if the heat did win in 5 games, Okc should've had 3 home and 2 away, not vice versa. That's how playoff and Finals Games go when it comes to where the team plays.
+Sami Momin i think this happens idk
@@samimomin6616that's not how the 2-3-2 format works genius
Before even watching this video I am going to say that game 6 of the 2000 Western Conference Finals Between the Lakers and the Kings was definitely without a doubt rigged in favor the Lakers however the NBA's definition or inturpretation of what a foul is by the refs has gotten in general totally ridiculous. The physicality of the playing defense in the NBA has been completely removed from the game for some reason. Its like they made fouling politically correct or something. I used to love the NBA but I cant watch it anymore because theirs just nothing to watch. The refs control the out comes of every game between two teams that are similarly good. Its all about who gets the bullshit foul calls at the end of the game and who doesn't and when I say BS foul calls I mean when a defender is just playing good defense and goes straight up to defend a shot and the ball handler drives into him and gets the call. The refs have more of an impact on the game then coaching or the bench players do. It truly is amazing if you watch an NBA game from the 90's and you compare it to now just how pussy the game has gotten. You literally aren't allowed to play defense on anyone their is absolutely no touching allowed its utterly INSANE. I dont understand the motive for the NBA to take it in this direction and the NBA's rating have proven that point.
Until somebody from Vegas sues them for manipulating games and bring them to court to show proofs that they are selling a WWE product like.
That pause Rondo had before answering was just too funny.
Heat coach high fiving the ref..... Classic.
Lebrons rings:
2012: rigged, 2013: ray Allen
2016: even more rigged. and still needed kyrie to carry him
His true record is 0-9. 3-6 flatters him
RonaSZN Lebron stans will call you a hater but it's pure facts. Somehow this guy gets ranked first or second of all time!? Pathetic
Wow, u really know nothing about basketball.
this has changed my entire view of the nba and the heat. now i want the spurs to win
LeBrone should go to Hollywood because he is the biggest actor.
Bozzza EK yeah well, he is now lmao
Oh 90's NBA, I do miss you. Also I love the announcer pointing out what we have been complaining about the past few years.
The 2012 NBA Finals should be reviewed and the referees involved should get some kind of formal punishment e.g. firing/replacing.
the problem is that its not the refs choice they're told to do this and i'm pretty sure its that stupid bitch david stern
firing/replacing an employee for doing what they're told to do?
I think you should read up on the Donoughy trial for proof of that!
NBA is just... i mean just watchin these videos i mean come on man.
Right? Enough to make a person sick.
Naruto Uzumaki That's right naruto.
Did you guys see the ref giving erik spoeltra a high five? That just made me sick.
Marco Tortoledo This shouldn't even be called a league anymore. It's sickening.
People who think that the NBA is not Rigged can you explain the Flagrant foul on Fisher?
I mean it's simple he made no play on the ball or did anything basketball move. He lowered his shoulder to stop LeBron. It just looks bad because LeBrons bigger. Picture that being Chalmers, would you feel the same way if Fisher Just lowered his shoulder then?
***** are we watching the same play? Fishers shoulders didn't connect with LeBron. LeBron lowered his shoulders and barreled into him
Webster Thomas are you blind? You can see Fisher lean in plain as day
Fisher did lean yes. The fact of the matter is that LeBron had plenty of time to shift. He charged straight into him. If you watched the play you see LeBron saw Fisher and instead of shifting to the side he charged straight into him full force. LeBron then lowered his shoulders and hit him square in the chest. Like if you watch the play and freeze at the contact you will see that Fisher changed his center of gravity but LeBron is the won who forced that much contact.
Now we can argue if that's a Charge or Block but that's not really the point.
The point is why is that Flagernt?
Webster Thomas I don't think it should have been a flagrant, but I see why it was. Fisher literally made no basketball move or action it was I'm gonna lower my shoulder and launch myself at you to stop you, is that fair? Could LeBron have moved quicker maybe, but you're going full speed your not thinking hey let me go around so he doesn't launch his self at me. And you figure a man LeBrons size if he really went into Fisher don't you think Fisher woulda fell? Just saying
This is how I felt when I watched my high school play against Aaron Gordon. This ALWAYS happened when we played Aaron Gordon.
flopped need a bigger punishment, hibbert says "no homo" and get fined $75K, LeBron flops and gets fined $5K
I don't disagree with any of these calls lol. Especially the chandler foul. He slammed into him from behind, that's not a fucking flop
TheKYRw That's called a screen. He didn't slam into anything. This wouldn't have even been blinked at in the 80's and 90's. Much softer league now and seems much softer fans, like yourself.
I bet your a heat fan. Your stupid, and you probably never played basketball and think when a guy trips on himself bit flops it's a tech. LOL
TheKYRw I bet your a heat fan, who never played basketball and is a frontrunner, and thinks that when LeBron trips himself and flops it's a tech! LOL
King Major III Typical soft answer. You need a bib lil boy?
Lmao
who is the announcer that is complaining about flopping because i respect him so much
jeff van gundy, and he complains every game but he complains about the truth lol
True that
5:16 Erik Spoelstra smiles ,waves his hand and says : Magnificent flop!
I'm a Miami Heat fan but damn I can't believe this they flop like crazy !
LeBron got mad at that press conference we all have problems and the refs James wade bosh were all a big problem because they were protected. WITH GHOST CALLS FLOPS LOOKING LIKE A FISH
The irony is that the heat shot a franchise low free throws last year, and they had 30 more personal fouls called on them rather than the spurs. Sometimes the free throws and calls depend on your offense more than just the officiating, for example, the Thunder coach runs terrible offensive sets that has onely one option. Compare this to the heat, and they have many options in most of their sets, so they have more flexibility to do things like draw fouls in comparison to teams like the thunder
shooting free throws isnt the only way that refs give special treatment to teams. especially against the heat, opposing star players get into foul trouble fast, which limits their minutes, helping the heat
LeBron on 2:03 was like : WOOOOOAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!
i just want to tell this but on kobe why are refs afraid to call on him ?? coz maybe he knows basketball and calls really well
Why I love Jeff Van Gundy
LeBron said, "Heres my chance, Oh, nooo, my neck, it hurts... gah, it should be a flagrant foul, gah!"
yeah this is bad.... once you watch it again like this.... wow. i mean if I were Durant or Westbrook I would just sit in the middle of the paint and refuse to move. or just leave. what's the point of even playing at this point????
lebron has 3 rings. 2012 and 2016 were rigged. 2013 was saved by Ray Allen and LBJ had terrible series with multiple below 20 points games performances.........u talkin abouit MVP at that time. Thats his greatness,, built by superteam and Ref. and complained about superteam after lost to GSW 2.0 with durant.
U know nothing about basketball. Just shut up
i love that Van Gundy isn't a phony and doesn't treat Lebron like a mythical power. a flop is a flop is a flop is a flop.
I actually busted out laughing at LeBron at 2:06. I can't believe the refs bought that acting.
I feel so bad for kd. Okc worked so hard to get to the finals. Miami didn't even worked so hard to get to the finals.
But he is right with some like getting hit in the head... 1 sec later fall
I remember watching this series thinking "The Heat can do whatever they want, they know the refs will have their back".
1 thing people don't and will not understand....is that the NBa CAN LEGALLY fix or alter their league to decide outcomes for whomever they want to win. NBA is still a business, and an entertainment venue for their "fans" to watch. If the NBA wants to decide, fix, rig, or alter who they choose to win to maximize their profits, it's perfectly legal for them to do that. NBA is an employer, and the referees are employees. If Stern tells his refs what to do, they are simply just "doing their job".
Lebron does get treatment just because he is the best player dosent mean anything
The one announcer sums up all the problems of our nation: "They could stop all this today if they wanted to.. They don't want to. They condone it." this is about our wars, the deficit issues, major banking fraud/unfair practices, the drug war, illegal gun purchases... the NBA is a model for all this. Somebodys making more money with things like this.
the whole Miami team is trained to flop
For all you heat fans out there that think we are haters 3:09 tells the whole story.
The clip at 7.13 of LeBron is actually him talking about the people who rooted AGAINST him, who wanted him to fail. This was an interview that happened right after he & Miami lost to the Mavs in the 2011 finals. The whole speech goes, "All the people that were rooting on me to fail, at the end of the day they have to wake up tomorrow and have the same life that they had before they woke up today. They have the same personal problems they had today. I'm going to continue to live the way I want to live and continue to do the things that I want to do with me and my family and be happy with that. So they can get a few days or a few months or whatever the case may be on being happy about not only myself, but the Miami Heat not accomplishing their goal. But they got to get back to the real world at some point.".. I don't know why you made it look like he was bad mouthing his fans.
Thank you
Lebron James's salary: 19.07 million USD (2013)
NBA's Fine: 0.005 million USD
Total: 19.065 million USD
They sure showed him.
Now I remember why I hate lebron.
Now make a video showing how the WARRIORS got every call in the 2015 series. They were doing all the flops and arm-hooking. I almost stopped watching Game 6 after Lebron got called for that charge against Iguodala. He's sliding left and impedes James' path; the definition of a blocking foul... I don't even know what a charge is anymore. Draymond Green puts his off hand on the guys shoulder when he jumps for a rebound, defensive 3 seconds on most every James backdown, James just in general not getting many calls when he drove to the rim... its ridiculous the amount of crap the Warriors got away with.
Typical lebron band wagoner
Haha karmas a bitch ain't it (; quit your bitching the Warriors were winning that series no matter what.
Westbrook MVP No Kyrie Irving or Kevin Love, and it still took them 6 games, you dipshit. Warriors had one hell of a fluke ride to the championship. Curry didn't have to play a full series opposite the other team's starting point guard. If Karma's real, it fucks the Warriors next season. They got lucky as shit.
K love would've made the series in 5... Irving would've taken to many shots... Cabs were losing no matter what
Peter Schmiedicke u cavs fans have nothing to say since u contradict yourselves saying "we would've won if we had our starters" and "we would have won if warriors stopped getting calls becuz delly and lebron would destroy the warriors"
Those games weren't rigged in favor of James because it was believed at that time that he was the "chosen" one and he had enough skill to win it all but as you can see, that didn't happen. They didn't really rig the 2011 playoffs because they were 100% sure that the super team Miami heat would dominate all, but that didn't happen. They have always flopped but the refs got serious when David Stern realized LeBron wouldn't be able to win on his own, despite having wade and bosh on the team.
MJ never had to flop, because flopping wasn't a part of basketball. Unfortunately, in this era, flopping is a strategy - it's freaking garbage. We might as well start playing soccer out there now!
As much as I like the Heat, I feel that the officials should be fair and have them earn their ring!
flopping seriously ruins the game
The NBA is DEAD to me.Its RIGGED and all the flops make me SICK. Its all about the MONEY.
You know what I realized, this season and the playoffs this year aren't officiated that bad. If the game was really rigged then the heat would've gone on to beat the lakers record for the longest win streak, and from the playoff games I've watched so far, there weren't any calls that were too off.
I just love how all these fans, especially Laker fans, come out about the Miami Heat and say their championships were rigged but didn't say ANYTHING about the Lakers' championships in the 2000's being rigged....smh
Even tho he now bought and rarely criticizes the league anymore.... Vangundy is a big reason why there is a flop rule and why at least some of this garbage has been cleaned up. THE LEAGUE IS STILL A JOKE THO!!!
The rule changes have killed this sport. It used to be a game for true athletes. Now it's just a game for a bunch of children.
People act like the heat are the only team in the history of NBA that flops and get no fouls called on them. Lakers did it , Bulls did it , countless other teams did it.
This is the worst officiated Finals in NBA history in my opinion. This was not earned, it was given.
Wade played good for the second half of the series. In game 4 where he scored 32 and Lebron had 33, no was was saying a word about how Lebron played, but instead about how Wade played awesome(which he did, with 6 steals as well).
When superstar 1A is averaging 27/8/7, he's going to get more coverage than superstar 1B who is only getting 21/5/5. Not to mention 1A has 4 MVP's out of the last 5 years, and is by far the most popular and polarizing player in the league.
Flop City at it's finest. The playoffs were clearly rigged for the Heat to win that Championship. It's frustrating seeing teams like OKC, BOS, NY and Pacers work so hard to get in the playoffs and the officiating was obviously one sided. LeBron flops, Bosh flops, Battier flops, Wade flops, Chalmers flops and when the referees call for a foul, the decisions aren't overturned OKC got fucked over and no I'm not a OKC butthurt fan, I'm not a Heat hater but it's true, Heat were GIVEN the title.
It's no wonder why Jeff van Grundy doesn't commentate as much anyone cause he spilled the beans
i don't understand how anyone can like a team who flops like that all the time.
Durant was NOT in foul trouble the whole series, he played 213 total minutes compared to Lebron 220. PLUS Russel Westbrook was on the floor more than Wade, Russel 211 minutes, Wade 203 minutes. So over the course of 5 games, Lebron was only floor 1.4 minute per game than Durant. And we've already talked about the free throw margin. If you really want to know why the lost look at the 3 point %, OKC shot 30.5% to Miami 42.9%. You started so i will finish it, your CHOKlahoma TEAM LOST! get over it
Lebron should never be mentioned in the same sentence as Kobe or MJ or even Durant.
Why?
Because Kobe didn't flop his way to 5 rings, neither did MJ nor will Durant.
It'a shame a grown-ass man to be doing this type of crap because having Wade and Bosh isn't enough to win after all, fixed games, OKC dominated the Heat every game but refs pulled them out.
I love it when the arms come flying out at 2:16 lol
It took the NBA TOO FUCKING LONG to establish a fine for flopping.
+Justin S also I hate how David Stern first told Jeff Van Gundy then all the other refs to not say anything on bad calls or they would be fined WTF! Jeff Van Gundy is the only LEGIT commentator, he says THE TRUTH!
Yeah that is why the Spurs have had the refs in every playoff series this year while Miami has yet to have them...
You must understand the refs are told to protect their most important players ...LeBron is the MJ in "protection from the refs" of this era
This is EXACTLY why I stopped watching basketball. So much damn drama. Thanks David Stern and LeBron for turning the NBA into a soap opera...
it's been that way for decades! The NBA is pushing for LeBron to succeed (and has successfully done so right now), because there's billions of dollars in endorsements, investments, marketing, royalties, networks, and ratings on the line. Same with Kobe/Shaq in the early 2000's, Jordan in the 90's, Bird/Magic in the 80's, and Russell/Wilt in the 60's & 70's.
And here I thought NBA was "grown-man", professionally basketball organization.
itsDedubs lies, wrong! You're absolutely right, there's no videos of Michael Jordan flops. I grew up watching the 80's and 90's NBA, he did not flop. The Wikipedia says that the list of famous floopers (players) include: LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Battier and other players. There's no MJ on the lists. Magic didn't flop, Bird didn't flop, Pippen didn't flop, Ewing didn't flop, Robinson didn't flop. itsDedubs is definitely wrong!
Just to make things clear, the nba was already fucking rigged ever since david stern took over it. It's not only 2012 finals, but the 2011 finals, 2010 finals.. EVERYTHING. I understand that some people think that lebron and wade like to flop and shit but its still the ref's fault to call it. And do NOT tell me that your favourite kobe bryant doesn't flop, just search "Kobe Bryant's Dirtiest Plays". I like kobe but Im just saying that everybody flops
Im happier than a fan that hears a referee whistle at a miami game
Basketball as we know it is now destroyed!
What I want to know is, what's wrong with being a Heat fan because Lebron plays there? Are Lebron fans not allowed to like the team he's playing on? That's all that it going on here, but for some reason they're "bandwagon fans." No, they're simply rooting for the team that they're favorite player plays for.
What is sad is folks who want to see lebron win smile at this if my team won like this i would at least admit the bs but thats why kd went to golden state
The chandler one was a foul, but not a flagrent. He clearly gave lebron a shove, he put his body into him
I dont really care about the NBA being rigged or not, but I will tell you all this. It's all downhill from here. Basketball is the new football, with people faking injuries every single game.
Congrats! It sucks ass.
I think they should allow coaches to force reffs to watch instant replay at questionable plays
But when okc was getting all the calls during the series with the spurs nobody was bitching. Please sit down and appreciate the greatness of KING JAMES
Lebron James: "Ahh! J.R Smith's pits are so stinky I have to flop!"
These videos made me feel bad for KD. He could've been the Finals MVP, but it was stripped from him by the referees.
OKC losing has nothing to do with their inability to play defense... Refs kept leaving Miami's shooters WIDE OPEN
It's easy to say that someone is flopping when you are just a sideline spectator who doesn't even play basketball. These are 6 feet, minimum 170lb men sometimes running at max speed while balancing on a single leg. If one collides and one falls backwards then it makes perfect sense that the velocity and force of the hit can make them fall over. A flop is only 'blatant' falling over but many of these in this video and in most videos are just no-life internet nerds posting NBA hate against teams.
It's funny because no one called Lebron a flopper or anyone on the Heat a flopper for that matter, until the big 3 joined up. Sure they flop just as much as everyone else, but fun fact, the Miami Heat's FTA per game is at an alltime low
The commentator is awesome. However, he has to make sure he's controlling what he is saying on TV. And thank goodness that now referees are paying more attention to the game, and that the NBA is fining the players for flopping.
Yeah, thank God. If this continues the NBA will be saved. Fuck flopping.
This is why I respect Jeff van gandy. He is not afraid to express himself.
As an actual Miami Heat fan (not one of these bandwagoners, I was actually born and live in South Florida), I agree with you for the fact that yes the referees are not perfect but it is like that in EVERY single NBA game. The reason the heat get more fouls is because of the amazing dribble penetration of Wade and Lebron. I get that you are mad because your team lost but the heat were the better team in that series and that is why they won the title.
Every team in the NBA flops. I agree, the referees were making bad calls. But when you say Durant was fouled and LBJ got ball. Its no foul
she'll be even more shocked when she misses her period, i didn't pull out.
Jeff van Gundy the savage preaching about the flopping
the term "flop" is so overused. if you get hit, and you want to help your team win the game, which getting fouled does, you should react to it. let the referee know it happened. there are only 3 of them and 10 of you. they cannot see everything. there are obviously exceptions, but the term flopping is so overused. if its obvious a player is flopping, then it should simply just be a no call. simple as that. exaggerating when you get hit shouldn't be a crime, it should just be a no call.
Lebron at the press conference was in response to a reporter asking about Cleveland, had nothing to do with Miami fans.
To be perfectly honest, OKC got out coached; Brooks is not a good coach, he made a lot of mistakes. Another thing, Harden disappeared, Westbrook took bad shots and turned the ball too much. Miami's bench really stepped up when they needed to.
If you want to break down each game.
In Game 1: OKC played better but they shot 9 more FTs than Miami, let's give the benefit of the doubt to OKC and say they drove to the hole more and got the deserved win. They won by 9 by the way.
The Miami Heat had less total free-throws than the Thunder.
Everytime the heat players fall it's an automatic flop* according this guy
Funny that every team flopped last year and the year before... Did you forget that both Harden and Fisher were on the Thunder and they are the 2 biggest floppers in the NBA