@@Yethegoat10 Hello! Dedicated Bowser main here--you absolutely, 100% are not able to mash out of Bowser's side special at ANY percent, no matter what, when, or where. As OP mentioned you CAN influence the direction in which Bowser carries you, but only marginally and you lose control over the direction the higher your percentage is. Have a good day!
14:40 Yes. He doesn't have options against most characters, but Roy is really really fast, gets long strings, and each hit does a ton of damage or shield damage. Duh shielding is your only option when you're slow as shit and have no payout for playing the character.
That has been since melee. He only has 2 options, Up B and jump cancelled side B, both of them very punishable if missed. And no, Bowser isn't slow, he is fast at running, in the air and even a decent bad startup (he can autocancel more moves than Roy in a shorthop); the problem is that Roy is faster than Bowser in every regard, dash speed, air speed and frame data both at startup and endlag, the only lacking aspect of King koopa.
no payout lmao what are you talking about, bowser gets like an average of 30% and stage control for each opening he gets (fair/side b), which is a lot when he’s fast af fair is massive and side b is frame 6 and can’t be shielded. it’s just bad vs roy cos he can just dashdance and whiff punish any approach bowser does
@@randompianist8359 If its a fair into side-b its about 30%. Side-B alone is about 20%. When you compare that to a jab+moveset that roy can employ, its not very impressive. Whirling fortress is only ~11% as well. Fair has lag cancel windows, thats why the look so fast. If Leon makes a mild error and hit the ground too fast or slow, he has 10+ frames of lag. Roy has less than that when using his laggiest move, up B(which you'll notice is pretty hard to punish unless you fish for it like Leon did).
@11:26 can someone explain what he means by you can mash out of Bowsers command grab? I know you can influence the direction (left/right) based on who's higher percentage but is there anything beyond that?
you literally cannot mash out of bowser sideb, it's not like ganon's. What you're thinking of is when someone get's bowsercide'd, bowser dies first so the other character gets released. that's not a mash out, that's just how the move works.
@@richieh7476 Yep yep. That makes sense. I main Bowser and I know that a hand full of characters, inkling, arsene and DDD being a few of them can make it back to stage after the Bowsercide. Didn't think there was an actual way to mash out though.
@@richieh7476 I believe if Bowser grabs you while he(Bowser) is in the air, then you can mash out. But that might be wrong, I'll have to check on that. Edit: haven't checked myself yet but I couldn't find anything online about it, so it's probably not possible.
i mean its actually an optimal punish at higher percents. It does like 20% when you cant really combo, is bowsers fastest move, and resets their disadvatage
Malachi Stone I hope so too.. as much as I respect the desire to keep everyone safe from the disease, if quarantine goes on for any longer, a lot of people’s livelihoods will be at severe risk, especially when considering that the death toll might seem big, it’s a very small portion of the USA population. Besides, I do think there is something much worse that could potentially happen in November: Civil War II
As a bowser main, I really don't like how much Leon is spamming up b oos. I know it's online but even offline he's doing that and gets so much punish for it
saltysteve0621 I disagree, it’s more than just that. Grounded up b, up throw > fair/uair, dair, nair > bair, f tilt to catch bad recoveries and d smash at ledge to cover attack OoL all make up the best of bowser’s kit. Side b is a great punish with stock trading capabilities but stalls bowser in place for a bit if missed and neutral b is a move that can do 40% with bad DI and cover ledge but is extremely punishable if avoided and bowser is flanked. Cut heavyweights some slack tin terms of kit diversity, I think we have bigger issues in terms of kit viability (Sonic and Ganon, for instance).
Goblin plays like the shonen protagonist who gets roasted by the villain for having a reckless fighting style but ends up beating him lol
He had the power of friendship
Wat Zit Tooya he also had a flashback mid game to when his sensei died
@DY111 **Health drops from 100% to 0%
ahh I've been waiting for this matchup, highest PGRU Roy vs Bowser
You can NOT mash out of bowser side b. You can influence the direction (which depends on your percent compared to bowser's) but you can NOT mash out.
Crowley bro I’ve mashed out of it so many times at low percents
@@Yethegoat10 Hello! Dedicated Bowser main here--you absolutely, 100% are not able to mash out of Bowser's side special at ANY percent, no matter what, when, or where. As OP mentioned you CAN influence the direction in which Bowser carries you, but only marginally and you lose control over the direction the higher your percentage is. Have a good day!
Jamin Stern Thank you for putting to stop to misinformation, because I was about to lab that and waste an hour of my time.
You can't if bowser is going to hit you into the ground. Doesn't mashing help if he misses the stage, though?
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damn its weird hearing keitaro and d1's voices after all that stuff came out about them
14:40 Yes. He doesn't have options against most characters, but Roy is really really fast, gets long strings, and each hit does a ton of damage or shield damage. Duh shielding is your only option when you're slow as shit and have no payout for playing the character.
That has been since melee. He only has 2 options, Up B and jump cancelled side B, both of them very punishable if missed. And no, Bowser isn't slow, he is fast at running, in the air and even a decent bad startup (he can autocancel more moves than Roy in a shorthop); the problem is that Roy is faster than Bowser in every regard, dash speed, air speed and frame data both at startup and endlag, the only lacking aspect of King koopa.
no payout lmao what are you talking about, bowser gets like an average of 30% and stage control for each opening he gets (fair/side b), which is a lot when he’s fast af fair is massive and side b is frame 6 and can’t be shielded. it’s just bad vs roy cos he can just dashdance and whiff punish any approach bowser does
@@randompianist8359 If its a fair into side-b its about 30%. Side-B alone is about 20%. When you compare that to a jab+moveset that roy can employ, its not very impressive. Whirling fortress is only ~11% as well.
Fair has lag cancel windows, thats why the look so fast. If Leon makes a mild error and hit the ground too fast or slow, he has 10+ frames of lag. Roy has less than that when using his laggiest move, up B(which you'll notice is pretty hard to punish unless you fish for it like Leon did).
Crazy Khespar trueee
@@randompianist8359 if you really think bowser is good you must suck as a player.
Love both of the commentators, especially Keitaro.
So insightful and observant
Bruh I love how I can listen to Keitoro commentate bowser and just fix all my issues with playing the character.
Goblin playing like a god damn online Cloud with all those up-b's lol.
d1 and keitaro god tier commentators
@11:26 can someone explain what he means by you can mash out of Bowsers command grab? I know you can influence the direction (left/right) based on who's higher percentage but is there anything beyond that?
you cant mash out of the command grab
you literally cannot mash out of bowser sideb, it's not like ganon's. What you're thinking of is when someone get's bowsercide'd, bowser dies first so the other character gets released. that's not a mash out, that's just how the move works.
@@richieh7476 Yep yep. That makes sense. I main Bowser and I know that a hand full of characters, inkling, arsene and DDD being a few of them can make it back to stage after the Bowsercide. Didn't think there was an actual way to mash out though.
You can’t mash out of that, just a mistake from commentator’s part
@@richieh7476 I believe if Bowser grabs you while he(Bowser) is in the air, then you can mash out. But that might be wrong, I'll have to check on that.
Edit: haven't checked myself yet but I couldn't find anything online about it, so it's probably not possible.
Bowser back air is a scary move to be hit too! I should know, I get combo every time 😩😏
If Goblin were in a Fate game he would be a Berserker 'cause dayUm he went off on Leon. Great play from both sides!
the amount of times that Leon uses Bowsers side B is infuriating to me
i mean its actually an optimal punish at higher percents. It does like 20% when you cant really combo, is bowsers fastest move, and resets their disadvatage
He uses it because it works, unlike Goblin's Up Bs
PartyGardi and yet, bowser is a mid tier
@@frogchip6484 He is most definitely a High Tier
Keitaro’s voice is so silky 👌😩
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megavore97 straight ***
Not that it matters, but don’t be straight be gay
Yungmessi I’m heterosexual but I’m secure enough with my masculinity that I can appreciate a nice sounding commentator.
@@megachris2610 Tf are you 12
7:35 Big Z, is that you??
WEEEEE
2 favorite players, dont know who I'm rooting for 😅
I can't wait for this quarantine BS to be over.
Malachi Stone I hope so too.. as much as I respect the desire to keep everyone safe from the disease, if quarantine goes on for any longer, a lot of people’s livelihoods will be at severe risk, especially when considering that the death toll might seem big, it’s a very small portion of the USA population. Besides, I do think there is something much worse that could potentially happen in November: Civil War II
Malachi Stone it’s not going to end. We aren’t ever going back to the way it was.
@@G.I.Jack69 😵
Random Person *bru it’s a joke*
1 mil and rising. Not going to stop soon.
You can feel the delay in this match lol nintendo wtf
Why does goblin go for the neutral b at ledge when it never works
Nice jair at the end from Goblin
everybody celebrating Sephiroth... WHERE'S LEON AT?!
Is that D3NSITY?
I'm so happy Leon made it this far. Bowser mains represent.
@@justinlovro8301 Bowser Jr. Is his baby.... It's in the name.
Read the lore kid.
@@justinlovro8301 lol who hurt you
Nicklaus Grady for real you think it was a Bowser who hurt me, probably
Right? I was thinking that if Leon started playing these online tourneys, he'd place pretty high. About time he got back into the scene
@@Xckeyl I had similar thoughts. Now let's see King koopa get at least top 16.
Lmao That Banjo Cry 😂
why is keitaro's commentary several tiers worse online i swear hes usually better than this
As a bowser main, I really don't like how much Leon is spamming up b oos. I know it's online but even offline he's doing that and gets so much punish for it
Specially against safe disjoints
Goblin 4 da win
Why does this commentator sound so sarcastic?
I like these commentators not as obnoxious as that one whiteguy
honestly goblin is overrated.
those fsmashes..like what
roman atwood
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I hate all these smash Commentators all of them be so damn trying so hard to be coo
いやぁさすがレオンさんのクッパだわ
Watching Bowser at the pro level is really boring sometimes. There's nothing exciting about command grabs and flame breath
At least it's not Sonic.
saltysteve0621 I disagree, it’s more than just that. Grounded up b, up throw > fair/uair, dair, nair > bair, f tilt to catch bad recoveries and d smash at ledge to cover attack OoL all make up the best of bowser’s kit. Side b is a great punish with stock trading capabilities but stalls bowser in place for a bit if missed and neutral b is a move that can do 40% with bad DI and cover ledge but is extremely punishable if avoided and bowser is flanked.
Cut heavyweights some slack tin terms of kit diversity, I think we have bigger issues in terms of kit viability (Sonic and Ganon, for instance).
YES LEONS OUT, NOW SOMEONE BEAT BEST NESS
😢
Bro my man Leon is a homie
Gunslinger why you hating
We stan leon
LMAOO Im with this guy, Bowser is straight C H E E Z