Here's Why The Cardinals Are in Trouble
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- On "Hot Take Central" on 590 The Fan KFNS, Charlie Marlow, Cam Janssen & Cole Bartemes discussed all things St. Louis Cardinals & MLB.
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It is less a question of an organization with no young talent than it is an organization with no ability to develop young talent. Almost EVERYONE we trade away blossoms with their new team.
This roster is abysmal. Mo built this mess and the system is bare. Dewitt and Mo have ruined the organization.
And we traded Flaherty Monty Cabrera Hicks etc and it’s still bad hahaha I keep saying no one fears this line up they need to make the big splash for Trout and then Trout Noot Contreras come back together after the break… whole new team with few new arms make a real push and try to be this years Dbacks
@@boschlosser10a lot of ifs involved there. Not can’t stay healthy. Trouts a bit fragile as of late too.
You realize just how weak the Cardinals starting rotation is when you compare it to the Phillies. The best Cardinals starter, Sonny Gray would be a number 3 or 4 guy in the Philadelphia rotation. Anyone who believes the Cardinals are anything close to a contender is delusional.
Everybodys staff doesn t match up to philly.
sonny gray is better than aaron nola, christopher sandez, taijuan walker and ranger suarez. suarez and sanchez have had 1 good year up to this point. gray would be a number 2 behind zack wheeler.
You can't be serious LOL> Gray would be their 2. Jesus some of you really don't know much about the game.
Phillies are the best in the NL. It’s between them and the Dodgers for the pennant.
A whole lot of bellyaching on this comment section.
The problem with the Cards farm, in terms of pitching, is that they have for years had the pitch to contact philosophy and that’s not working anymore.
If McGreavy threw 98 and got moved to the pen, the Cards would just trade him to a team that would turn him in to a sub-3 ERA starter.
Big Joe is spot on.
Somebody ought to buy Big Joe a beer.
Front office isn't committed to winning..
Pallante shouldn't be the 5th starter.
Matz shouldn't either.
Yeah but I feel most of the fans don’t understand how they do business… they do enough at the start of season to be .500 then they make moves at the break to try and make a run.. they want to try and relive 2011 every year and as we can see it just hasn’t happened.. they came close 2013 and 2019… but just doesn’t consistently work
Maybe you should take over the 6tgh spot
Hopefully Tink Hence can make some progress this year
@@roballen8431I couldn't do any worse..
This guy nails it. The Cardinals aren’t just bad in St. Louis, they’re bad in Memphis and below. They got nothing good coming. The leadership of our franchise has completely mismanaged and the whole organization is in the tank. They need to reboot the whole thing.
And.. I'm going to add.. Trevor Bauer is out there for league minimum.
Yeah, let's sign Kenny Powers...won't help the clubhouse but it would be entertaining.
@@delt2575 Bauer is not only good, but was unjustly suspended to begin with. (Did he get a harsh punishment because he had questioned the commissioner in the past?)
@@philbruin All I'm saying is he's obviously a clubhouse cancer. He is good and pitching is so critical in this game that you have to question why no team has signed him. Speaks volumes.
It is refreshing to hear the truth from a non-rights holder (Whatever being a rights holder means).
haha
The Cardinals were in trouble BEFORE the season began!!
Great caller nailing this FO and horrible roster. Wipe out this FO and be in the rebuild. Pallante as a 5th starter is beyond embarrassing.
We are a year and a half into a rebuild and the front office doesn't realize it yet.
Pallante has one good start and one not as good. At least give him a few starts to get his feet under him. He started well previously when he started. Just my opinion. He is trying to add a sweeper to use against right handed hitters They have enough older starters. Give a young guy a chance
The Cardinals player development is very poor.
McCarver always said, for most players, if you want to know how they will hit in MLB take what they are hitting at AAA and subtract between 35 and 50 points.
But Carp fixed the clubhouse for Nado & Goldy!
The organization has broken Walker. I mean, he’s in the organization and comes up, starts his career with a hitting streak but they sent him back to get more “LIFT”.
Why weren’t they working on his technique BEFORE?
They should’ve traded Nado at the TD last year, gotten Walker or Gorman to their natural position, then get a RF who can hit and play defense.
What this says is DeWitt is saving his money for his exit from baseball. They will be selling in 2026. No way DeWitt lll could run this organization.
You all do realize that DeWitt is the 7th richest owner in baseball more than Steinbrenners so if he wanted to win he could the man has 4 billion dollars which is half billion more than Steinbrenner. Not to mention that till this debacle that Mo has turned the cards into they sold out 81 games season for how ever many yrs Dewitt has owned them. I just don't understand why he hasn't fired Mo yet for all the bad contracts bad moves he has made. I don't get it
The reason the Cardinals are in trouble is fundamentals: catch the ball, throw the ball, hit the ball. Everything beyond that is over-analysis…..which is what fans love to do. It’s just…….fundamentals.
Finally someone going after the Cardinals! Unlike the shills who cover the team!
hey they have to be shills how else would they be able to eat at the team buffett
Could not agree more about Carpenter!
All sports players make way too much money. That is why I don't go to sporting events anymore
Witt jr is the best player not being talked about, I would get season tickets if we had him
This year isn’t even what bums me out. The Cars haven’t even bottomed out. It’s going to take 2-3 years of worse play before the Cards finally bottom out and finally start rebuilding. It will be 6-8 years before the Cards are competing for Word Series.
If you do not get a GM in here that is experienced and knows what he is doing it will never come back. Mozeliak is the worst POBO in MLB.
How's that Jordan Walker bobble head gonna work ? 😂
He needs Mcquire.. as his hitting coach imo
They need to shelve that idea.
@@boschlosser10 Mcguire???? he didn't hit for average at all. He hit home runs...
They drafted him high and they don't want to admit the mistake is exactly right 👍
w/Carlson..
Was going to say the same thing; all this dead weight on the team. Carpenter, Crawford, Carlson. Time to head to the dumpster. And Aerando/Goldy? WTF is going on with them???? And.. what is going on with the defense?????? this team needs real help FAST!
whats going on if your making 25 million would you give a damn if your performing or not...that is not to say some high priced players dont bust their ass..all I am saying those two goldy an arenado are not that guy
And you guys talking about acquiring Aaron Judge is absolutely ridiculous. The guy is 32 years old. He’s already on the downside and you guys are thinking that’s a solution. You’re just as bad as the Cardinals leadership. What people need to start getting back to are our roots. Draft strategy and player development, period. What this organization used to be excellent at, which ultimately led to championships, involved identifying high-quality players with great upside. Then, developing them all the way through before they trade them away for big names. That does not work. Youth development works. Got it!?
Just look at the All-Star ballot. We do not have a single player worthy of a starting spot on the NL roster. And it is not even close.
Helsley is a bona fide all star, so is Winn.
The Cardinals organization is stuck in nostalgia. Not that I mind since I'm not a fan and any time the cards suffer it makes me smile, but it's still sad. When they brought back Pujols and cards fans legit thought they'd go to the WS, I just had to laugh. Again and again I find more evidence for my hypothesis that the casual cards fan just assumes the cards go to the postseason every year. Very few cards fans are honest with themselves when their team is in trouble. My mom is a cardinals fan, and she loves the good ol days, and even she can see they need change.
The teams in the world Series with records barely over .500 gave this front office 2011 hopes
Coaching system and talent management are failing at their jobs.
These past 2 seasons we have been miserable at the plate with risp. Absolutely pitiful. I like Goldy and Arenado but solo homers ain't worth shit when you leave the bases loaded and watch strike 3 right down the middle. Ffs, even terrible teams can score with bases loaded with 1 out.
"Please, Sir, I eant some more." This is from Dickens' Oliver Twist where Oliver asks for more gruel from the workhouse Master. The Master beats him with a ladle and held fast while it was decided that Oliver would most likely be hanged for his insolence.
haha, yes!
Dodgers,and Phillies are so much better than everyone else.
Re-build,the window shut last year.
Go watch the 2011 WS.
Different team
Different staff
Different FO…
I did. They hit great with risp.
I have a feeling the Cards organization sits around watching the 2011 world series instead of thinking about the future or the here and now.
Bauer…. Basically for free..
Most everything you said was correct. Big MO needs to go. Other guys like Winn has batted better in the majors.
Good Lord can you just talk about the Cardinals!!! I don't want or care to hear about your workout schedule or what all the players the Cardinals will never get are doing to make in FA.
The Yankees will imo be in the fall classic they will not let Soto walk end of discussion
I’m enjoying watching their games. The excellence, energy, sheer fun.
The veterans on the team aren't gonna play for a manager that don't know how to manage a big league team cmon guys the organization I seen think about it
yes hire people that have never been to st. louis
Im glad you said bryce harper swings angry goldy swings like he is scared to hit with men on base because deepdown he knows he is an extreme choker
The double a Springfield Cardinals are playing better then Memphis and St. Louis
Big Joe is the man. My thoughts exactly buddy.
I’d make Jordan walker a 1B it’s better for me
I would pay to watch Skenes. Even if the team was terrible
The birds won't be a contender until they get rid of oli
They’re in trouble because their goblin looking owner doesn’t care about winning and continues to employ John Mozeliak out of blind loyalty.
Carlson and McGreevy for Judge?
haha
Keep up the great content guys!
Let’s see; worst defense in MLB by far. Leading MLB in errors by far is a thing. Last night was a microcosm of our year and hopefully not a harbinger of what is to come: Donovan/Goldenado/Carpenter 2-19. They continue to be an anchor to the offense. Crucial errors and they can’t get depth in the bullpen. Well said Joe. I’m getting “here we go again vibes.” Hopefully they can get going, but I feel like I’m living last season again. Agent of the year is the guy who got Middleton $5 M. 🙄. Losing sucks. Bigly. All we can do is 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Dint understand the shade Cole gets. He’s fine. I enjoy his takes. Heaney has a WS ring. His performance in Texas’s victory was crucial.
Keep all of our catchers get rid of everyone else besides Gorman, Blaze, BURLY hitter wise. Time to rebuild or this team will be in this hell into the late 2020s.
Ahh, this is where the real FO haters hang out!
Never change, "experts"...
The front office deserves every bit of criticism they get.
of course, of course... 😂😂😂
There isnt a player in mlb that would make the cards must watch tv with how the current team is constructed. The chasing history thing was big macs draw along with a team that did have a few players worth watching. Other than watching Gorman when he is hot this team has no eye appeal.
And Winn
Burleson?
Again I’ll say it again… package a deal with the Angles.. I understand Trout is hurt but after injury he comes back hot.. Trout Anderson Strickland… at this point trade Edman and Carlson..hell throw in Walker idc.. then Contreras Noot come back.. and pair all of them Goldie Gorman Nado with Trout take some pressure off our “stars” let Trout lead the team and outfield with Donnie and Noot in corners… that type of line up would put fear into the Glasnows Nolas Wheelers Peraltas… etc but again this is Mo we are talking about and a pipe dream… but that is the Move I’d be looking to make… and you know Trout would okay that move to play with Goldie and Nado!
Love the idea, but doubting the Angels would let Trout go, and I’d include all the guys you mentioned.
Great idea Mo. trade a bunch of prospects for another aging vet. Maybe if we’re lucky he’ll get a back injury too.
@@dillonhatfield7724 Ah, but are they prospects?
Go, joe, go telling #truths Cardinals suck and we have been saying it since spring training
Cole is awful 🤮
c'mon!
“I beg to differ, sir.”