Well until we see evidence of what happened or a video of it, I'd be careful making a judgement. But my initial reaction (thought wise) is what an idiot. But we don't have all the facts by far.
Yep you can own a rifle at 18 . I'm in GA my Glock is on me at minimum every time I go in a store ! Also a gun in itself ( rifle or hand gun ) is not probable cause of a crime. Security can only use self defense or force to stop a felony . There was no PC or crime.
Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. This guy is guilty, but until the facts are laid out in court the news is going to be as vague about what happened as possible.
Aside from the trigger-happy security guard, there is a reason why people within the Airsoft community stresses the importance of concealing ones device in a bag when carrying it in public.
@@g2828ccthere was no Reason to believe that they were robbers. He was arguing with the teens about the gun being fake before he decided to execute one. He was just a psycho
@@shotgunmcshotgun1142 you are slow. If I have a pistol and two kids try to grab ahold of me, I'm not gonna let my pistol get taken. Guess who's gone and guess whos still alive today.
Most of their job involves doing literally nothing so its easy for morons to make it in sadly. There are some good ones especially if they are veterans. But unfortunately most are this guy
I worked in security for a few years… usually its retired cops that are toxic af in upper management and low iq people as the s/o officers. And then you have the guys that are ex military or want to be cops who realize they joined a circus.
Same for home healthcare aides in rural areas of states; friend of mine, terminal cancer had $90,000 cash stolen from him by a heroin addicted home healthcare aide. It was his life savings & at the time, he was living out of an RV because the one liveable structure wasn't liveable at that point due to a strong storm that came through 2 days before he closed. I'd planned on making a citizen's arrest but got talked out of it because she's got 2 kids & both are retarded so they don't like new faces & would be unmanageable by literally anyone but their pos mom. That's also why he never had her arrested or even reported it.
To an extent, but it does also speak to the possibility that he had the gun as part of his job and that there was some training involved. But, yeah, off duty these folks have no special powers at all. Even at work, they don't really have any special powers beyond being authorized by the property owner to do things like kick people off the property and enforce the owner's policies.
Imagine you’re walking out of marital arts class after a long and tiring session, expecting to see your dad and have him take you back home, only to find out he had shot a teen. Wild.
@@53harkaJust like every other “good guy with a gun”. And that’s the problem. If people were actually good guys with guns, then they would know and abide by the law, but that is too frequently not at all what happens when a “good guy with a gun” is involved in something.
Course you can. You dont need to wait for someone to shoot at you first. See Rittenhouse. The bottom line is this guys life is going to get pretty tough for a while but the kid also lost his life through stupid actions. Its a lose lose. Frankly I dont see how all 3 of them would decide to take their bb guns to a gun store at the same time... very odd if you ask me. Going to make for an interesting case.
@@auwz66it literally isn’t odd at all dude. Airsoft is a SPORT and it isn’t known to be a gun store - it is a store that has a section of airsoft etc. They either played on the same team or just did this together as friends - I literally have a ton of airsoft guns. Do I think they should have put them safely away? Of course. But one - as a gun owner AND a person who owns spring bb, airsoft, less lethal etc , you should absolutely tell the difference. The guy shouldn’t have shot them point blank period.
@@no-barknoonan8798 Kinda true who walks with a gun into a store without the box you purchased it in, seems fishy plus they say the others had airsoft guns. why were the conceal carrying airsoft guns. sounds like they were playing gangster
@@burgerking3763 a BB gun and an airsoft gun are two separate types of toy guns. Airsoft fires small plastic/biodegradable pellets. BB guns can be used to fire small metal pellets. Furthermore, airsoft guns are designed to be realistic looking. BB guns are designed for more power. You can technically kill small animals with a high powered BB gun, though I am not sure how they have changed in their manufacturing since I was a child. I myself have only ever dabbled with paintball guns and Airsoft guns. Let me tell you, airsoft shotgun rounds hurt up close, but if a BB gun can kill animals, then there is a clear difference.
The amount of people thinking it’s the kids fault is concerning. A man killed a kid in cold blood for being too trigger happy, and you’re blaming it on the kids. I hope these people never touch a gun in their life because they’re the same people to shoot someone when they hear an acorn fall on a car roof.
Three teens were armed with realistic looking guns. If they had been real guns, many innocent people would have been killed. Don’t walk around with fake guns in public.
All I can say is black people have a bad track record with toy guns. They acted ignorantly and got caught by another moron. Nothing of value lost honestly
They are kids but they also didn’t help the situation walking around with what looks like a real gun. Is it their fault for not being wiser? It’s a fault but anyone would expect kids to made a dumb decision like that.
@@grandosprey6450 should they put the gun in a container? Yes. Should the stupid mall cop not taking things into his own hand AND UNLOAD A MAG ONTO A CHILD? OF FUCKING COURSE YES You say the kid should’ve put it in a container, but wheres the fault of the adult acting like a child with a loaded firearm?
They were walking in to a store full of real guns, they had airsoft pistols tucked in to their waistbands. They legally couldn't make an exchange in the store, because they were minors. The video states that they had a physically violent response to his confrontation before shots were fired, and the man himself states that one of them reached for their waistband. There is already enough suspicion that these kids, one brandishing a rifle style airsoft gun and two concealing them, are about to commit a felony. That's enough cause for a civilian to pull a firearm. Only now, they also put him in fear of imminent danger to his life, so he fired a shot. That's the story I believe is most probable to have taken place considering the circumstances. this is speculative, I won't come to a conclusion until there is undeniable evidence of what happened. Just remember, innocent until proven guilty. You don't have to take the position of the plaintiff every time.
@@DefaultMale_ the information i got was a bit different. we have different opinions on how fast - or under what circumstances - a random person can end the life of another. judge, jury & executioner - that's not the law of our land
@@BALDWIN_IV_OF_JERUSALEM If somebody is carrying a rifle on their shoulder and he (very understandbly) suspected that he was about to commit a felony that puts an innocent party in danger, or that his own life was in imminent danger, then yeah he could pull his gun on them
I mean, why do you need his identity? You gone pull some justice yourself too? It's just a dumb adult who shouldnt have had a gun and a kid who should've properly stowed his gun in a container/case and not carrying it freely
The off duty security guard should have called police if he thought an actual crime was being committed. Stupidity is not a justification for breaking the law.
Its ok for a citizen to try to help, but you should watch and see what happens, never assume. Guard is wrong. Same thing when you see 2 people firing at each other, you can't just start firing back at one of them when you have no idea what is happening, could be a plain clothes cop dealing with a criminal and you acting like Rambo just fired at the wrong guy. Guard could have easily followed behind and waited to see what they did after entering the store. There was no reason for him to act the way he did.
That's the paradox with gun ownership. You have an expensive thing that will hopefully never see "proper" use, but if you never use it, then what did you spend all that money for? I think this train of thought is extremely dangerous.
I used to carry a BB gun around as a kid...never crossed my mind that someone would possibly shoot me...but those were different times and we were a different people, we didn't automatically expect a teenager with a gun to be a hold up man.
In the early 90s a friend's dad sat us down and talked with us about not playing with toy guns in public or the front yards because we could get shot by someone thinking they were real. He was a cop at the time, and he said "it happens a lot." Scared me, so it stuck. Crime and crazies being what they are today, I think everybody's a little high strung, for sure.
same here. had one of those crosman ones before orange tips were a thing. would shoot random things out in front our houses and nobody would bat an eye. definitely a different time in the 90s
@Pavia1525 yes it did.... tf you talking about?!? My red rider lever looks just like my childhood 22lr lever. Obviously I can tell or any other avid shooter but from 10-15 yards nope you couldn't tell. You obviously don't know much about this topic.
@@-108- I'd say they get the right guy more often than not. Mistakes are often made from poor training and people who just shouldn't be in that line of work to begin with. You just only hear about the times they make mistakes because citing the 1.2 million people in prison starts people asking questions about the policies in place and you're not allowed to criticize the politicians.
@@howlinwulf- It’s about common sense and perception, are you that naive? I wouldn’t recommend returning a steak knife to Target while holding it in your hand like Michael Myers!
You can get 20 years for simply attaching something to your gun, and you can get charged even if you were acting in self defense and tried to deescalate, but oh no you used expanding ammo to prevent collateral. This guy intentionally killed a kid.
Not only did he shoot him once..but apparently 7 times total... AFTER the boy put the airsoft gun on the ground and had nothing in his hands or anything. Jesus.
The totality of the circumstances and order of violence doesn't make any sense. They saw him with a gun told him theirs were fake started fighting him then they fell and he blasted? The totality of violence doesn't make sense.
That’s sad, just imagine living your life and you get shot for returning an airsoft gun and also imagine that dad will probably never see his son again
@liamharaldson2095 cuz his dad would have been there helping and giving guidance. Not saying he did anything wrong. But I work in social services and that's just the sad truth more than not
2nd degree murder, no first degree. Once I was giving a rifle that didn't work, no bolt in it, to a friend that worked at a gun store. Unfortunately the parking lot was full and I had to park on the street 2 blocks away. I carried the rifle and was stopped by 2 police officers who just said ok after I told them what I was doing. They never even touched their weapons. This was in the '60's in Hollywood.
I grew up in those days where it was like that. Gun rack with rifles in every truck rear window, even teen boys at high school had them. What has led to the problems is the fear mongers pushing law makers to make it be not open. That in time created more fear with more people that aren’t used to seeing them then when they do panic and go nuts.
@@2olvets443 Quite the contrary, this guy saw two people open carry, but they were too brown for him and thought they must be armed criminals. Less guns in this situation would've made it much much better for everyone.
Robbery attempt fail all day .... Not murder . Justified 💯 His accomplices and his parents should be charged. Not the security guard who was trying to protect innocent lives.
It is fine if a citizen wants to help, but you should always make sure you know what is really going on, never just assume. This guy could have simply followed them in and waited to see what they did, if he would have done that he would have seen that they were not there to break the law, but he acted like Rambo and jumped to conclusion and now 1 kid is gone, and he will be charged for it most definitely. Its people like this guy that make the rest of us look like a danger to the public. Many times cops act the same way this security guard did, probably trained the same way.
Trained for “officer safety.” The stupidest phrase in the English language. If you want to protect people, than you can’t make assumptions to guarantee YOUR safety, you have to guarantee THEIR safety. When I was in Afghanistan the Rules Of Engagement were that we couldn’t shoot anyone a less they had shot at us, allies, or innocent victims. You may wonder why we had to restrain ourselves from shooting at armed men in a war zone, it’s simple, because it’s legal for Afghan Men to have and carry weapons for their security… gee, it’s legal for Americans to own and carry guns, so why do cops think they need to shoot armed Americans FOR THEIR SAFETY??? End the Uvalde level cowardice! Stop teaching “officer safety.” If they think officer safety is paramount, then they need to find another line of work. And END QUALIFIED IMMUNITY!
@@Mastermindyoung14 That is 100% misinformation. He called police and said he might have to shoot because he saw somebody with a weapon. When police got there is was a piece of a bicycle. Nobody was shot that time.
@@MrHurricaneFloyd From what I read, he told the cops a man on a bike was pointing his gun at people. Then the cops found the biker had no gun. So this guy lied to cops.
@@SanityTV_Last_Sane_Man_Alive No. It most certainly is not. The shooter was not the good guy. He shot the kid after the airsoft gun was on the ground and the kid was lying on the ground. The guard stood over him and shot him seven times. Six times in the back.
Dude went crazy. "Maybe" the first part is somewhat justified, but geez. If the second part is accurate, rent-a-cop is screwed. _According to court papers, the suspect then grabbed the teenager so the boy would be unable to retrieve the firearm that was on the ground. As this occurred, police said the suspect believed one of the other teens was grabbing for a gun located in that teen's waistband. It was at that point that police said the suspect fired multiple times. After the initial shots, he stood over the teen on the ground and continued to fire, according to court documents._
@@boyce5994are you a police officer? Did you go to police academy or are you speaking out of your butthole? Security guards aren’t police officers and no, police aren’t taught to “unload their magazine.”
@@robinblades600 bro u tripping, the guard say to police "he is waiting for his son when saw 3 teen walk pass them with ONE of them carring a gun" the suspect say it, not the witness soooooooooo
@@sv2697wdym? Security guards do have responsibilities. Yes it's an easy job. No you can't do what you want. And if you do shoot someone on the job, you have a ton of restrictions on how you can do it, unlike cops. Cops can shoot you in the back legally, guards can't. On top or that, cops have no obligation to help even in their uniforms, guards can be sued for not helping. Guards was even the #1 most dangerous job in 2022 and I think even in 2023.
Going to exchange the airsoft gun without the packaging? Scuffling with a guy that pulls a gun on them? There are some holes in this news coverage of the story.
@@je4350 Airsoft guns do not shoot metal BBs made for BB guns those are a smaller prjectile. The light plastic projectiles only fly so fast and the motors installed would not shoot metal well at all as it would be way heavier. Airsoft guns are not deadly whatso ever lol. You might be thinking of a pellet rifle. Its called Airsoft because it shoots soft plastic pellets not metal projectiles. BB guns are technically not Airsoft they are made to shoot the metal projectiles for target practice. Also very unlikely to be deadly. So "deadly Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about" sounds like a bit of a joke or you are very confused yourself.
I had to take a real gun back to Walmart and I had it inside the original box. Once inside the store I was surrounded by security and told to take the gun back to my car and someone would come out to bring it in for me. The same when I bought it. An employee had to carry it out for me. But this was in Texas, so.....
Walmart Security refused to let me return my bike even with receipt. But after washing and cleaning the bike It was accepted the return at different store. Realizing there was way to go home and thought about rebuying bike. Decided to just drink my way home
Must be the area. In my walmart, Probably 10% of the customers are open carrying handguns. Odd: For some reason my walmart never gets robbed. Not sure why. Strange!
I once saw a guy carrying an airsoft rifle through Wal-Mart in his hand back to the rear of the store(customer service in the fromt was closed), and no one, including me, batted an eyelash.
The bible says his children don't toil or twist like the lily. A spiral begins with a twist. We should grow upright as the good Lord said, so we refrain from a downward spiral.
@@vxy357I would simply stand back and watch. Only thing dumber than attempting to rob a sporting goods store with a toy gun is attempting to rob a REAL gun store "period".
@@tyronetrump1612 That's a strawman argument. It has nothing to do with the reality or the legality of the situation and is completely irrelevant. In The United States the 2nd Amendment to the Bill of Rights in the Constitution guarantees the right to bear arms. It is not a conditional privilege subject to time, place and manner- it is a right which "shall not be infringed". The kids were not committing any crime- even if they had been carrying actual firearms. I'm not a 2A fanatic, but that's the law. The Preamble to the Constitution guarantees us the right of life, along with liberty and the pursuit of happiness. According to the U.S. Constitution - the highest law in the land- This kid had the right to his life and the right to carry a firearm. The man who shot and killed him had no right to deprive him of his rights and his very life, and no authority to use force in an attempt to act as law enforcement. He should have grabbed his cell phone and dialed 911 instead of grabbing his gun and murdering an innocent kid. Now, because his failure to control his impulsivity and ego resulted in the violent death of a kid, this murderer belongs in prison.
I'm pretty sure if you want to open carry, the gun has to be in a holster or on a sling. You cant just walk around with a gun in your hands. Gun store employees are all pro 2a but try walking into a gun store carrying a rifle
@@PNWJEEPER01 what about the other dude, with a gun in his waistband? Why didnt they comply? When I go to a gun store, its in a case. What are teens doing with guns?
All the media does these days is report shit with bias. That's how they control and manipulate people into believing dumb shit. A lot of people like this other commenter above me are too stupid to notice or challenge it.
A lot of hypocrites in here screaming just return it in it's original box, when I only hope their place isn't a horde of boxes for everything they've purchased that's still returnable. Stop blaming the victim for some off-duty idiot killing someone.
The teen was allegedly returning it according to the news, but that doesn't make it the truth. Don't put it past people to use fake guns to rob people or businesses.
Not only was this avoidable, but considering how 6 out of the 7 shots were in the back, this wasnt supposed to happen if the boomer didnt want to play hero
Hopefully the people in prison show him how it is now that he doesn’t have his little gun to shoot anything that slightly scares him lmao. Hope they tear him apart
Never return a gun to a store. I bought a Crossman BB gun from Walmart and it broke in half when I was pumping it up. If you don’t have the box, don’t walk into a store with a gun. Walmart wouldn’t accept the gun,said contract manufacturer
That’s completely immature at all. First of all we don’t know if the gun came with the box. Second of all it’s an open carry state. Third of all he wasn’t going to Walmart.
@@SeanPat1001well even if there is a open carry rights in the state it is simply a common sense that you shouldn't bring a realistic looking Airsoft toy or a real firearm out in public. Reason being is because people these days are generally more afraid and wary of an armed person. Especially with how much crime was committed in these last few decades involving armed robbery,mass shooting,gang violence etc. The law of open carry basically allows you to carry a firearm openly in public. By law you won't be punished. But it doesn't mean there wouldn't be consequences.
@@milkyyanks765 Don’t be stupid. If you have a right to carry a firearm openly in public, that means you have that right and no one has the right to shoot you simply because you are exercising that right. Stop trying to blame the victim. He was shot six times in the back. He’s not the one who did anything wrong. That’s why the guy who shot him is in jail right now. I’m a long-term resident of New Mexico which is also an open-carry state. In New Mexico, “Carrying” is defined as having the firearm on the person or in close proximity, so that the weapon is readily accessible for use. If people open-carrying weapons make you nervous, contact your legislators and urge them to change the law or you can just move to another state.
@@SeanPat1001 and we're still here aren't we? The teen got shot because he had a realistic looking Airsoft on his hands and the off duty security guy got arrested for homicide due to his poor firearm discipline. Wouldn't it be nice if the kid had put the Airsoft in a close bag and the security guy kept his finger of the trigger while confronting the teens.
Father picking up his child after martial arts practice... Frame it with the context clues. Its not a rent a cop trying to be a hero I see it more as a Father protecting his child. The girl even said there have been multiple shootings reported on the app. Father goes to pick up his child see what he sees knows what happens in the area to get to said conclusion. Idk why every one just right to rent a cop wanting to be a hero mind set and fail to see the biggest prevailing factor a Father wanting to protect his child...
There’s too many people out here who think they’re a good person by being over protective but in reality they’re just criminals trying to use any little excuse to get away with crimes they’ve been itching to commit
@@Solusspiritus*According to court papers, the suspect then grabbed the teenager so the boy would be unable to retrieve the firearm that was on the ground. As this occurred, police said the suspect believed one of the other teens was grabbing for a gun located in that teen's waistband. It was at that point that police said the suspect fired multiple times. After the initial shots, he stood over the teen on the ground and continued to fire, according to court documents.* The guy shot the kid and then when the kid was laying wounded on the ground he shot 6 more times to the back
First of all, many air soft guns look real, and (2) why didn’t the teens use some common sense, and carry the guns in a box or bag? I know this is real deep for some people, but just asking.
This happened in an open carry state. People can carry real firearms around openly. I’m sure the kids had seen people carrying real firearms around openly. So, why would it occur to them that carrying something that looks like a real firearm around openly would be a problem? The security guard was the problem. Clearly, people carrying around firearms openly made him nervous. He should’ve done something else for a living or move to a state that did not have open carry.
@@pineappleparty1624 Yeah I’m probably wrong, I’m sure it was one of those hands up don’t shoot moments. I just wasn’t discerning enough with my shallow analysis.
This Father saw this situation happening near where his child was maybe look at all the context before you assume he was just a wanna be cop security officer trying to be a hero and maybe he was just a Father taking steps to protect his child?
@@imsoniceee you're just a bootlicker calling others names. He is a zero now, No job, a want to be cop will have to pay out 10% of 2 million to get out of jail. (OOPS there goes the rent for a few years) ...well he does have 3 hots and a cot...Something more then his son will have in a few months of no rent
@@shawnfoogle920 yes, we did walk around in public with them. You still can in small towns where everyone knows each other and don't lock the doors to their homes because they don't really don't need to. But yeah, things were a lot different when I was a kid. Heck I'd go to the store and ask for cigarettes for my mom can they just hand them over because they knew my mom was a smoker. Nowadays kid can't just walk into the store and grab smokes. I'm not saying they should be able to I'm just saying times have changed. Some for better some for worse.
You wanna know what they left out to the story? Once the kid had already dropped the Gun and the selfproclaimed "Hero" detained one of the kids he said that the kid "reached for something in his pocket" and he shot 7 TIMES. Just so you understand most of the bullets he shot were from the back (meaning the teen was already unable to move on the ground due to the first time he shot
How many people do you know that, after opening an item, put the packaging it came in, in strorage? I bet you had to rent another house because of all the packaging of the items you bought that you are saving. Christmas packaging over the years must take up a lot of room in that extra house/storage unit you own.
Honestly tho as a kid who grew up with cap gun revolvers I was always told to be careful out in public or I could be shot because someone could think it was a real gun. And this was like 20 yrs ago. Only thing I could think of is still having an identifying feature to tell its airport like the good ole orange tips. If it’s milsim it should be in a case if out in public.
"Skuffle" and "waistband." I'm not believing that this is objective reporting. Let's hear the adult's side and the witnesses' side of this, plus the camera footage on these "teens."
No box, no bag. Airsoft without orange tip? Did the other teen have an airsoft pistol in his waistband? If he confronted them why did a scuffle break out? Lots of facts left out here and people just going off without knowing them.
doesnt matter, he was off the clock and didnt work there so he was acting as a citizen. a firearm is for your protection not for you to interfere because you "think" someone is going to do something wrong.
@@snagglesmagoo2750. The security guard knew, or reasonably should have realized he was not dealing with real weaponry within seconds of his encounter, when no shots were fired at anyone.
Wrong. This was a case of an idiot trying too hard to “save the day” with a gun. Any other responsible adult would not have confronted the teens and called the police
Not his place of jurisdiction, off-duty, on top of JUST being a security guard? He'll say whatever he has to in order to get away with murder, but I think we all know he just wanted to kill someone.
In the real news story he shot the teen 7 times in the back who was running away after dropping the bb gun . This is why he’s charged this news channel is trying so hard to defend the murderer.
Nobody saw the ORANGE tip on the guns muzzle ? It's there to prevent this kind of situation. Seems like it would be hard to return it without that in place.
Ideally, yes, however that has gone out the window now days as more and more airsofters attempt to have more and more realistic looking equipment and not have orange tips. similarly.. you have people with actual firearms giving them all sorts of crazy paintjobs just because they can and they make them look like power tools, nerf foam dart guns, even the nintendo pistol, and yes, that includes just having a regular looking firearm with JUST the tip of the barrel painted bright orange so that it LOOKS like a pretend firearm that LOOKS like a real one.... Why? because they can....
Id be really interested to see the security footage if there is any. I feel like this whole situation could go both ways depending on who did what and when.
Why would you walk around anywhere with a rifle or a toy that looks like a rifle? No box nor gun case.....if someone points a gun at you and tells you to drop the gun...you dont argue that its not a gun....you just drop the toy gun.
Why not? Washington is an open carry state. You can carry your shit wherever you want in public spaces. Secondly they were going to a sporting store and they even had a brief conversation about the gun. It would’ve taken him no time to discern it was an airsoft gun in a matter of seconds if he had handled it himself. He could’ve also called police who have actual training not bullshit guard cards.
It is fundamental to the character of Batman not to shoot people and especially not to kill them. Batman has safeguards against himself if he kills anyone.
Well if I was a kid and there is a security guard pointing a gun at me I definitely wouldn't be talking s*** and reaching in my waistband but that's how some kids are brought up nowadays in mostly fatherless homes
I'm curious if that airsoft gun had an orange tip or not. Because a sane person would see an orange tip and think its a toy. However if it has no orange tip... anyone would either A. Call 911, B. Run and call 911, C. Tackle them or pull a gun on them. Which reminds me, did you know some toy guns don't even have orange tips? Course here's another scary one for you: criminals that put orange tips on real guns. That being said, the teens probably should've put the guns in a bag instead of carrying them into the store as is.
It's pretty unlikely it has an orange tip, as an airsoft player The teens appeared like they were about to commit a felony and I don't really fault the man Additionally, who the f*k conceals airsoft pistols in their waistband, then reaches for it? Any airsoft gun over ~$50-70 will look very realistic even, and those are low end guns. They shouldn't have been going to the sports store, which sells real guns, at all, because as minors they wouldn't legally be allowed to process an exchange or refund - their parents would have to do it. My outlook is that they wanted play as gangstas
@@DefaultMale_ i fault that guy hes not a hero if anything hes kinda stupid because if it was a real robbery those teens could have shot them, but it isn't a real robbery and no matter what those kids did he still shot them with no evidence. you cant just be a judge jury and executioner
Doesn’t matter what he was, what obligation he thought he had, nowadays “right to carry” laws - All he had to do was ask them, and be a little patient.
Agreed. Even if it's an airsoft gun, it should be treated like a real one. With airsoft becoming more 1:1 with the real ones, you'd think parents would have the hindsight to teach them this.
anything except holding the security guard accountable. these are the same "pro-gun" people who believe we should open carry actual guns in walmart no questions asked
@@MegaVega2007 Well yeah the security guard deserves prison time. But this incident should be prevented so it doesn't happen again. Is that ok? Or, do you need to spout more political nonsense?
this is why you dont carry anything that looks like a gun in public if they were going to make an exchange they should of had it in a box and no issue would of been
To be fair, if you are going to return a bb gun or airsoft gun, carry it in a box not just plain out lol. Its also supposed to be in the box when carrying in public anyways, not just out
I don't know that. Does that make me retarded at my age somehow? Or anyone else, worse if they're not gun owners but bystanders who even are immigrants or visiting outside the states. There's a lot of people who don't expect that. Worse yet people who are miseducated by the news(which a lot are) about guns.
Off duty security guard what a joke
What state is that?! You can carry an AR nearly ANYWHERE in the US! Vigilante goof!
@@GeoffM.-jh9lxTry reality princess
Well until we see evidence of what happened or a video of it, I'd be careful making a judgement. But my initial reaction (thought wise) is what an idiot. But we don't have all the facts by far.
Yep you can own a rifle at 18 . I'm in GA my Glock is on me at minimum every time I go in a store ! Also a gun in itself ( rifle or hand gun ) is not probable cause of a crime. Security can only use self defense or force to stop a felony . There was no PC or crime.
This is what happens when one of those “we need more guns” guys gets in a position of fake authority. Dumbasses thinking they’re Rambo
"unfortunately, the gun was fired", interesting way to make it appear as if the gun fired itself
Yes I found the way she worded that was strange as well. Almost as if the gun had the mind of its own.
That’s what gaslighting looks like
Just like that little "i have the citizen app..." edit and how it had nothing to do with news on this incident
@@spzm3665wicked how they do that to old people. Programming at its worse
Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. This guy is guilty, but until the facts are laid out in court the news is going to be as vague about what happened as possible.
Aside from the trigger-happy security guard, there is a reason why people within the Airsoft community stresses the importance of concealing ones device in a bag when carrying it in public.
They were all concealing them. In their waistbands apparently. You know what kind of prize you win in this kind of game, right?
@@springbloom5940he has a point
@@springbloom5940apparently or allegedly?
@@springbloom5940 According to the man who shot someone? The guilty will say anything to get out of it.
@@cyber4053
Wow, a true Constitution lover, I see.
There is a fine line between vigilance and being a vigilante.
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Off duty, with no jurisdiction, confronting people at a mall or store where he does not work, and trying to be a hero.
you don't need 'jurisdiction' to shoot people with guns who you reasonably think are armed robbers
@@g2828ccthere was no Reason to believe that they were robbers. He was arguing with the teens about the gun being fake before he decided to execute one. He was just a psycho
The jurisdiction line was made up by the media in this report. Sorry you bought into it. He isn't a cop, so he doesn't have jurisdiction anywhere.
@@shotgunmcshotgun1142 you are slow. If I have a pistol and two kids try to grab ahold of me, I'm not gonna let my pistol get taken. Guess who's gone and guess whos still alive today.
@@boyce5994 but that's not what happened? He pinned a teen down and executed him. Nobody tried to take his gun off him and nobody approached him
The intellectual level of most security guards is alarming.
Most of their job involves doing literally nothing so its easy for morons to make it in sadly. There are some good ones especially if they are veterans. But unfortunately most are this guy
Thats quite the zinger, top zozzle
nah fr
I worked in security for a few years… usually its retired cops that are toxic af in upper management and low iq people as the s/o officers. And then you have the guys that are ex military or want to be cops who realize they joined a circus.
Same for home healthcare aides in rural areas of states; friend of mine, terminal cancer had $90,000 cash stolen from him by a heroin addicted home healthcare aide. It was his life savings & at the time, he was living out of an RV because the one liveable structure wasn't liveable at that point due to a strong storm that came through 2 days before he closed.
I'd planned on making a citizen's arrest but got talked out of it because she's got 2 kids & both are retarded so they don't like new faces & would be unmanageable by literally anyone but their pos mom. That's also why he never had her arrested or even reported it.
"Off-duty security guard" is a crazy way to say someone isn't at work
To an extent, but it does also speak to the possibility that he had the gun as part of his job and that there was some training involved. But, yeah, off duty these folks have no special powers at all. Even at work, they don't really have any special powers beyond being authorized by the property owner to do things like kick people off the property and enforce the owner's policies.
It’s relevant to the story. Stop trying to be edgy lil buddy.
@@wubbied4575How is it relevant to the story? The guy was waiting for his son at karate and killed a kid. He didn't work for that mall.
That’s what you call an armed lunatic. Not “off duty security guard.” Should have never had the gun
@@SmallSpoonBrigade1:05 The off duty security guard clearly didn't want to listen
Imagine you’re walking out of marital arts class after a long and tiring session, expecting to see your dad and have him take you back home, only to find out he had shot a teen. Wild.
Interesting perspective. Yeah I’ve seen my dad get in arguments with people before out in public when I was a kid. Couldn’t imagine that.
I would be so embarrassed
Marriage could be an art I suppose, trying to keep the spouse happy. 🤣
Sounds like Paul Blart was having delusions of grandeur.
He thought he was a hero
Chewbacca: aghghghghghgh!!!!!
@@53harkaJust like every other “good guy with a gun”. And that’s the problem. If people were actually good guys with guns, then they would know and abide by the law, but that is too frequently not at all what happens when a “good guy with a gun” is involved in something.
@@babybirdhome 🤣🤣🤣.
Paul Blart? More like Gecko45.
That guard was blood thirsty
So many losers in this country who fantasize on a daily basis of being a hero and saving the day. Absolute brain rot.
7 shots, and 6 were in the back, he had no intention on deescalation
Probably failed the psych test to be a cop. And considering how mental US cops are that says a lot.
@@Lord_GrungusWtf, i need to Google that..
He didn't see that they were going to a sporting goods store also?
You can't shoot people for what you think they're going to do. Freaking stupid move.
Course you can. You dont need to wait for someone to shoot at you first. See Rittenhouse. The bottom line is this guys life is going to get pretty tough for a while but the kid also lost his life through stupid actions. Its a lose lose. Frankly I dont see how all 3 of them would decide to take their bb guns to a gun store at the same time... very odd if you ask me. Going to make for an interesting case.
@@auwz66you shouldn’t be allowed to reproduce with the brain you have this is the most idiotic take ive ever seen
@@auwz66it literally isn’t odd at all dude. Airsoft is a SPORT and it isn’t known to be a gun store - it is a store that has a section of airsoft etc. They either played on the same team or just did this together as friends - I literally have a ton of airsoft guns. Do I think they should have put them safely away? Of course. But one - as a gun owner AND a person who owns spring bb, airsoft, less lethal etc , you should absolutely tell the difference. The guy shouldn’t have shot them point blank period.
@@auwz66wow you stoopid
Cops do it all the time without consequence
interesting that they aren't posting his mugshot
Cause he not white?
@@cripto136no bro it's cause he works for the police department you real?
@@joel_legendaryyt1024he does not work for the police department, he is a security guard not a police officer
@@joel_legendaryyt1024he will be making license plates now 😂
@@joel_legendaryyt1024 you so dumb- did you not watch the video??? Why you saying he worked for police??
And now, two families are destroyed.
My daddy always said "someone's going to prison, and someone's going to hell."
Yeah, because the dead one didn't have any common sense.
@@ICallItAsItIs none of them did. If you're gonna carry a gun you better know the law.
@@ICallItAsItIs Says you?
@@no-barknoonan8798 Kinda true who walks with a gun into a store without the box you purchased it in, seems fishy plus they say the others had airsoft guns. why were the conceal carrying airsoft guns. sounds like they were playing gangster
this guy has a history of doing this btw.
Of shooting teenagers?
@@THall-vi8cpyes google is your friend
@Letsdoittv67 it definitely is not.. maybe in 2005 I could call Google my friend lol
@@Letsdoittv67google is a spy n ur a clone for the matrix 🤡
@@toneohmfr. I think your comment flew over their heads.
I’ve dealt with security guards before and a lot of them have no business being armed with anything deadlier than a spoon
I find it very interesting that they won't show a photo of the shooter. 🤔
Because of racists like you that’s why.
Or the "BB gun"
Right it's allllll a conspiracy perpetrated by Elvis and Tupac🙄
Narrative not met
@@burgerking3763 a BB gun and an airsoft gun are two separate types of toy guns. Airsoft fires small plastic/biodegradable pellets. BB guns can be used to fire small metal pellets.
Furthermore, airsoft guns are designed to be realistic looking. BB guns are designed for more power. You can technically kill small animals with a high powered BB gun, though I am not sure how they have changed in their manufacturing since I was a child. I myself have only ever dabbled with paintball guns and Airsoft guns. Let me tell you, airsoft shotgun rounds hurt up close, but if a BB gun can kill animals, then there is a clear difference.
Yep that’s a murder.
His SECOND OFFENSE 😳
@@Mastermindyoung14 Why do you say this?
Because that’s how this shit stain “news” outlet presented it?
They were returning "Airsoft BB guns" they were carrying in their wastebands. They reached for them, they found out.
@@truints and this security guard is about to find out what BBC tastes like
dude waited all his life for this opportunity to be a “hero”
typical "good guy with a gun" mentality
Now he's gonna be waiting all his life to get out of prison
Typical sociopath behavior…
One hopes to never need to draw,
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@@danmorrison667😂😂😂
@@SanityTV_Last_Sane_Man_Alive what happened with rittenhouse tho
The amount of people thinking it’s the kids fault is concerning. A man killed a kid in cold blood for being too trigger happy, and you’re blaming it on the kids. I hope these people never touch a gun in their life because they’re the same people to shoot someone when they hear an acorn fall on a car roof.
Three teens were armed with realistic looking guns. If they had been real guns, many innocent people would have been killed. Don’t walk around with fake guns in public.
they act all tough but they wouldn't say that sh*t anywhere but the internet.
All I can say is black people have a bad track record with toy guns. They acted ignorantly and got caught by another moron. Nothing of value lost honestly
They are kids but they also didn’t help the situation walking around with what looks like a real gun. Is it their fault for not being wiser? It’s a fault but anyone would expect kids to made a dumb decision like that.
@@grandosprey6450 should they put the gun in a container? Yes. Should the stupid mall cop not taking things into his own hand AND UNLOAD A MAG ONTO A CHILD? OF FUCKING COURSE YES
You say the kid should’ve put it in a container, but wheres the fault of the adult acting like a child with a loaded firearm?
they were walking into a sports store, you'd think that would give a person pause. shooter was a fool with a gun.
They were walking in to a store full of real guns, they had airsoft pistols tucked in to their waistbands. They legally couldn't make an exchange in the store, because they were minors.
The video states that they had a physically violent response to his confrontation before shots were fired, and the man himself states that one of them reached for their waistband. There is already enough suspicion that these kids, one brandishing a rifle style airsoft gun and two concealing them, are about to commit a felony. That's enough cause for a civilian to pull a firearm. Only now, they also put him in fear of imminent danger to his life, so he fired a shot. That's the story I believe is most probable to have taken place considering the circumstances.
this is speculative, I won't come to a conclusion until there is undeniable evidence of what happened. Just remember, innocent until proven guilty. You don't have to take the position of the plaintiff every time.
@@DefaultMale_ the information i got was a bit different. we have different opinions on how fast - or under what circumstances - a random person can end the life of another. judge, jury & executioner - that's not the law of our land
@@DefaultMale_ Suspicion is absolutely not enough to brandish a firearm. What are you talking about?!
@@BALDWIN_IV_OF_JERUSALEMsure it is you damn fool
@@BALDWIN_IV_OF_JERUSALEM If somebody is carrying a rifle on their shoulder and he (very understandbly) suspected that he was about to commit a felony that puts an innocent party in danger, or that his own life was in imminent danger, then yeah he could pull his gun on them
SHOW THE PICTURE OF THE "SECURITY GUARD"
Just picture Paul blart with a neck beard
Usually suspect
black
Nah, most likely a Wguy protecting his 2nd Amendment right. Lol
I mean, why do you need his identity? You gone pull some justice yourself too? It's just a dumb adult who shouldnt have had a gun and a kid who should've properly stowed his gun in a container/case and not carrying it freely
The off duty security guard should have called police if he thought an actual crime was being committed. Stupidity is not a justification for breaking the law.
Stupidity is walking into a store with a weapon out and one of ur friends carrying one in his waistband
Its ok for a citizen to try to help, but you should watch and see what happens, never assume. Guard is wrong. Same thing when you see 2 people firing at each other, you can't just start firing back at one of them when you have no idea what is happening, could be a plain clothes cop dealing with a criminal and you acting like Rambo just fired at the wrong guy. Guard could have easily followed behind and waited to see what they did after entering the store. There was no reason for him to act the way he did.
@@hewittzhotwheelz guess u missed the part about the ''struggle that ensued''. 3 vs one guy .. ?
@@TucoJames they weren't carrying weapons.
The sheriff's office was conducting a training exercise right there in the parking lot at that very moment.
Rest in Peace young man ❤ I’ll pray for you.
disgusting
The off duty guard is waiting for this moment in his entire life but failed tremendously.
typical "good guy with a gun" mentality
he wanted to be on the news for being a hero. he's on the news now.
Hero complex gave a bad result
That's the paradox with gun ownership. You have an expensive thing that will hopefully never see "proper" use, but if you never use it, then what did you spend all that money for? I think this train of thought is extremely dangerous.
The police had to investigate to find out it was not a real gun. It would have happened if he was a cop.
Sounds like he's ready to be a real cop.
Definitely a Democrat supporter
A real cop would throw down a piece and then slander the young man with lies of drugs and violence and them fearing for their safety.
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Average de-escalation training.
there's an opening in the LAPD for an aggressive man who likes guns.
I used to carry a BB gun around as a kid...never crossed my mind that someone would possibly shoot me...but those were different times and we were a different people, we didn't automatically expect a teenager with a gun to be a hold up man.
In the early 90s a friend's dad sat us down and talked with us about not playing with toy guns in public or the front yards because we could get shot by someone thinking they were real. He was a cop at the time, and he said "it happens a lot." Scared me, so it stuck. Crime and crazies being what they are today, I think everybody's a little high strung, for sure.
same here. had one of those crosman ones before orange tips were a thing. would shoot random things out in front our houses and nobody would bat an eye. definitely a different time in the 90s
Your BB gun didn’t look like a real Glock or AK like the airsoft of today.
@Pavia1525 yes it did.... tf you talking about?!? My red rider lever looks just like my childhood 22lr lever. Obviously I can tell or any other avid shooter but from 10-15 yards nope you couldn't tell. You obviously don't know much about this topic.
BB guns used to look like kids toys. We are in different times. Can’t joke around with guns. Those warning labels are so dang clear.
"Unfortunately, the gun was fired "
That's an interesting way of describing murder.
If it was a kop that screwed up they would say "Sadly, the sidearm suddenlly discharged"
Dude they didnt mean it like that
Was the gun fired for incompetence or absenteeism?
The kid was shot 7 times as well, the gun was not just fired once...
The security guard trained his whole life for this moment
😂😂😂
If only any training had been offered at all
And miserably failed anyway.
Better to be safe than sorry 🤷♂️
@@Pack_Watch So you're saying shoot first on sight for most ANY situation and sort it out later?
Remind me to not visit your state.
There's only one thing more dangerous than an armed security guard: An off-duty armed security guard.
They are only dangerous to the types of people who are too afraid to act like apes.
“Good guy” with a gun theory fails AGAIN.
In Brazil, it's the off-duty policeman that are the most badass ones. They always take out their targets at the right time from the videos I've seen.
@@Cookieboy70 In America, it seems like the cops are always targeting the wrong peeps!
@@-108- I'd say they get the right guy more often than not. Mistakes are often made from poor training and people who just shouldn't be in that line of work to begin with. You just only hear about the times they make mistakes because citing the 1.2 million people in prison starts people asking questions about the policies in place and you're not allowed to criticize the politicians.
someones goin to prison.
Not in this country 😂
@@samholdsworth420 yeah they’ll let him out and give him 18 more chances 🇺🇸😆
@chrisivan_yt no he's white
@@ForageGardener
Small favors
@@ForageGardenerso they will let him out and they will call him a hero of self defence in that case.
I wouldn't think of carrying a gun around for returning or taking it to be repaired without it being in a box or case.
Seems like common sense, but here we are.
no gun laws apply to toys
@@howlinwulfthey look realistic you should treat them as a real gun
@@howlinwulf- It’s about common sense and perception, are you that naive? I wouldn’t recommend returning a steak knife to Target while holding it in your hand like Michael Myers!
Are you a teenager? Because it's fairly well established that their brains are not fully developed at that age.
He thought he would be the hero. Probably always wanted to be a real cop.
Weirdo
That's exactly what "real cops" do... Only difference is, they'd have complete qualified immunity. And a pension
@@Ligmanutzlook in a mirror
@@johndunn9819on paid leave
@@Ligmanutz LogMaNutz actually you sound like a weird. Your name is sexually related.
2 million dollar bail? The woman who randomly stabbed a 3 yr old and his mother only got 1 million bail???
Change your vote then
You crying over one mill you think a crack head can afford that ?
Men get punished more than women for the exact same crimes…
Privilege; I’ll give you one guess to determine the race of the man in this case.
my guess is he is white
The teen name was Hazrat Ali Rohani, he was shot 7 times, 6 times were in his back. According to the prosecutor
You can get 20 years for simply attaching something to your gun, and you can get charged even if you were acting in self defense and tried to deescalate, but oh no you used expanding ammo to prevent collateral. This guy intentionally killed a kid.
@@Lord_Grungushe'll be charged and convicted for sure
@@Cornpop-N-DaBoyz he had a history of such behavior
7 times!? Damn this guy won't let his victim alive
@@ryananggoro493 must've been a 1911, you usually dump the whole mag if you're gonna start shooting.
Not only did he shoot him once..but apparently 7 times total... AFTER the boy put the airsoft gun on the ground and had nothing in his hands or anything. Jesus.
The totality of the circumstances and order of violence doesn't make any sense. They saw him with a gun told him theirs were fake started fighting him then they fell and he blasted? The totality of violence doesn't make sense.
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No they dropped them and one of them got game ended while being stood over
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That's awful, do you have a source for this?
@@user-dg6bl2ry2y Both Fochs news and CBS confirm thats what police docs say
That’s sad, just imagine living your life and you get shot for returning an airsoft gun and also imagine that dad will probably never see his son again
Wouldn't it be mom and dad
His dad probably has never seen him anyways
@@georgeboyd4619 what makes you assume that
@liamharaldson2095 cuz his dad would have been there helping and giving guidance.
Not saying he did anything wrong. But I work in social services and that's just the sad truth more than not
@@arfriedman4577 they never mentioned mom so I didn’t say it
2nd degree murder, no first degree. Once I was giving a rifle that didn't work, no bolt in it, to a friend that worked at a gun store. Unfortunately the parking lot was full and I had to park on the street 2 blocks away. I carried the rifle and was stopped by 2 police officers who just said ok after I told them what I was doing. They never even touched their weapons. This was in the '60's in Hollywood.
I grew up in those days where it was like that. Gun rack with rifles in every truck rear window, even teen boys at high school had them.
What has led to the problems is the fear mongers pushing law makers to make it be not open. That in time created more fear with more people that aren’t used to seeing them then when they do panic and go nuts.
@@2olvets443 Quite the contrary, this guy saw two people open carry, but they were too brown for him and thought they must be armed criminals. Less guns in this situation would've made it much much better for everyone.
@@Irreverent_Radiationless soy in your diet will help your situation
@@odonnchadha1978 💯
@@odonnchadha1978 I actually don't eat much soy, sometimes buy oil from soy seeds but I prefer olive oil much more.
Tragic but still murder
Or an accident.
Robbery attempt fail all day .... Not murder . Justified 💯
His accomplices and his parents should be charged. Not the security guard who was trying to protect innocent lives.
@GrumbleB you've gotta be trolling.
@@Parasclepius you must be brain dead
Doesn't surprise me
@@Parasclepius dude thinks the court room is gonna be like Burger King.
"Top flight security of the world craig."
It is fine if a citizen wants to help, but you should always make sure you know what is really going on, never just assume. This guy could have simply followed them in and waited to see what they did, if he would have done that he would have seen that they were not there to break the law, but he acted like Rambo and jumped to conclusion and now 1 kid is gone, and he will be charged for it most definitely. Its people like this guy that make the rest of us look like a danger to the public. Many times cops act the same way this security guard did, probably trained the same way.
Or he has been having the same fantasies.
Exactly.
Trained for “officer safety.” The stupidest phrase in the English language. If you want to protect people, than you can’t make assumptions to guarantee YOUR safety, you have to guarantee THEIR safety.
When I was in Afghanistan the Rules Of Engagement were that we couldn’t shoot anyone a less they had shot at us, allies, or innocent victims. You may wonder why we had to restrain ourselves from shooting at armed men in a war zone, it’s simple, because it’s legal for Afghan Men to have and carry weapons for their security… gee, it’s legal for Americans to own and carry guns, so why do cops think they need to shoot armed Americans FOR THEIR SAFETY???
End the Uvalde level cowardice! Stop teaching “officer safety.” If they think officer safety is paramount, then they need to find another line of work. And END QUALIFIED IMMUNITY!
He’s getting arrested it’s still mirder
Went from thinking your going to be a hero to you are now a murderer
He's been a murderer since 2022 when he executed an unarmed person on a bicycle
@@Mastermindyoung14 That is 100% misinformation. He called police and said he might have to shoot because he saw somebody with a weapon. When police got there is was a piece of a bicycle. Nobody was shot that time.
@@MrHurricaneFloyd could you give me a source so I can do my own research (definitely trust you to pull through over this other guy)
@@MrHurricaneFloyd From what I read, he told the cops a man on a bike was pointing his gun at people. Then the cops found the biker had no gun. So this guy lied to cops.
@@SunnyWu I think it was a bike pump or a bike lock, not sure.
Freaking rent-a-cop smh.
typical "good guy with a gun" mentality
That was insightful, did you use all the double digits of your I.Q. to spew that pearl of wisdom...
Found the chick that gets piped down by hood dudes.
@@SanityTV_Last_Sane_Man_Alivelet mandingo nut in your butt or youre a racyst
@@SanityTV_Last_Sane_Man_Alive No. It most certainly is not. The shooter was not the good guy. He shot the kid after the airsoft gun was on the ground and the kid was lying on the ground. The guard stood over him and shot him seven times. Six times in the back.
Dude went crazy. "Maybe" the first part is somewhat justified, but geez. If the second part is accurate, rent-a-cop is screwed.
_According to court papers, the suspect then grabbed the teenager so the boy would be unable to retrieve the firearm that was on the ground. As this occurred, police said the suspect believed one of the other teens was grabbing for a gun located in that teen's waistband. It was at that point that police said the suspect fired multiple times. After the initial shots, he stood over the teen on the ground and continued to fire, according to court documents._
As if police arent taught to unload their magazine lmaooo. FOH bud. Would you rather shoot twice and then get shot by the guy on the ground?
@boyce5994 the guy on the ground was unarmed...
@@boyce5994I would u don’t have to kill someone u don’t understand how that works u have to shoot then wait
@@boyce5994That would all make a lot of sense if the kid was armed
@@boyce5994are you a police officer? Did you go to police academy or are you speaking out of your butthole? Security guards aren’t police officers and no, police aren’t taught to “unload their magazine.”
He had a gun but it was unacceptable for someone else to have one in an open-carry state.
So they were all returning airsoft rifles at the same time? Come on....fucking "teens".
@@mrfredcoletta it was only one airsoft rifle, the other teens were unarmed, yeah fucking "guard"
@@LordPatataswrong, watch the video again, she said "he saw these kids walking in with THEIR airsoft guns"
@@robinblades600 bro u tripping, the guard say to police "he is waiting for his son when saw 3 teen walk pass them with ONE of them carring a gun" the suspect say it, not the witness soooooooooo
@@mrfredcolettayour arrogantly ignorant.
rent a cops are the worlds worst nightmare
No different than real cops. Just minus the immunity and responsibility.
@@sv2697 Yea no. You need to have a real wood brain to think that.
that shit crazy
Most security in the world is privately hired... of course.
@@sv2697wdym? Security guards do have responsibilities. Yes it's an easy job. No you can't do what you want. And if you do shoot someone on the job, you have a ton of restrictions on how you can do it, unlike cops. Cops can shoot you in the back legally, guards can't. On top or that, cops have no obligation to help even in their uniforms, guards can be sued for not helping. Guards was even the #1 most dangerous job in 2022 and I think even in 2023.
Going to exchange the airsoft gun without the packaging? Scuffling with a guy that pulls a gun on them? There are some holes in this news coverage of the story.
Also the one returning the gun was an Arab. Like cmon you are Arab in America and are holding what looks like a real gun.
They're not even BB guns. They shoot plastic
But they look exactly like real guns.
@@taofledermaus Except for the bright orange tips...
So what would have happened if it was a real gun and they lied and dude let them go and they killed people?
But they look real, they don’t look like nerf guns. And airsoft guns have been used on armed robbery attempts before.
@@je4350 Airsoft guns do not shoot metal BBs made for BB guns those are a smaller prjectile. The light plastic projectiles only fly so fast and the motors installed would not shoot metal well at all as it would be way heavier. Airsoft guns are not deadly whatso ever lol. You might be thinking of a pellet rifle. Its called Airsoft because it shoots soft plastic pellets not metal projectiles. BB guns are technically not Airsoft they are made to shoot the metal projectiles for target practice. Also very unlikely to be deadly. So "deadly Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about" sounds like a bit of a joke or you are very confused yourself.
I had to take a real gun back to Walmart and I had it inside the original box. Once inside the store I was surrounded by security and told to take the gun back to my car and someone would come out to bring it in for me. The same when I bought it. An employee had to carry it out for me. But this was in Texas, so.....
Walmart Security refused to let me return my bike even with receipt.
But after washing and cleaning the bike It was accepted the return at different store.
Realizing there was way to go home and thought about rebuying bike. Decided to just drink my way home
No way anyone would know that stupid
Must be the area. In my walmart, Probably 10% of the customers are open carrying handguns. Odd: For some reason my walmart never gets robbed. Not sure why. Strange!
I once saw a guy carrying an airsoft rifle through Wal-Mart in his hand back to the rear of the store(customer service in the fromt was closed), and no one, including me, batted an eyelash.
@@franklinburk3314 Bro wtf. Get your life together.
We are in a downward spiral as a nation. I feel it's already too late 😢.
It is. How do you stop a runaway train?
@@705michaelwilliams derailing it is the normal procedure.
At least its not trump, right?
The bible says his children don't toil or twist like the lily. A spiral begins with a twist. We should grow upright as the good Lord said, so we refrain from a downward spiral.
Speak for yourself I’m in an upward spiral 🌀
well it sounds like a murder to me
sounds like a sacrificial scapegoat to me
Sounds like stupidity to me.
Sounds like what would a reasonable person think in the same situation.
@@vxy357I would simply stand back and watch. Only thing dumber than attempting to rob a sporting goods store with a toy gun is attempting to rob a REAL gun store "period".
@@vxy357 No, a reasonable person doesn't shoot a retreating teen several times on the ground after shooting him down.
Really its a sporting guns store. Shoot the person returning their gun to the store?!
sure lets just walk into a store with a realistic looking firearm not in a box or a bag... what could go wrong ???
@@tyronetrump1612 That's a strawman argument. It has nothing to do with the reality or the legality of the situation and is completely irrelevant.
In The United States the 2nd Amendment to the Bill of Rights in the Constitution guarantees the right to bear arms. It is not a conditional privilege subject to time, place and manner- it is a right which "shall not be infringed". The kids were not committing any crime- even if they had been carrying actual firearms. I'm not a 2A fanatic, but that's the law.
The Preamble to the Constitution guarantees us the right of life, along with liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
According to the U.S. Constitution - the highest law in the land- This kid had the right to his life and the right to carry a firearm.
The man who shot and killed him had no right to deprive him of his rights and his very life, and no authority to use force in an attempt to act as law enforcement. He should have grabbed his cell phone and dialed 911 instead of grabbing his gun and murdering an innocent kid.
Now, because his failure to control his impulsivity and ego resulted in the violent death of a kid, this murderer belongs in prison.
Bla bla bla bla bla ... They were gonna rob the place.... Returning a malfunctioning airsoft....????🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think not..... Seriously just STFU.
I'm pretty sure if you want to open carry, the gun has to be in a holster or on a sling. You cant just walk around with a gun in your hands. Gun store employees are all pro 2a but try walking into a gun store carrying a rifle
@@PNWJEEPER01 what about the other dude, with a gun in his waistband? Why didnt they comply? When I go to a gun store, its in a case. What are teens doing with guns?
Totally not biased reporting
What do you mean?
All the media does these days is report shit with bias. That's how they control and manipulate people into believing dumb shit. A lot of people like this other commenter above me are too stupid to notice or challenge it.
If you can’t see it, you’ve been well trained and can’t be helped
What else should they have said?
Idk… maybe how stupid it was to walk into a store holding an item identical to an assault rifle
A lot of hypocrites in here screaming just return it in it's original box, when I only hope their place isn't a horde of boxes for everything they've purchased that's still returnable. Stop blaming the victim for some off-duty idiot killing someone.
When you transport a weapon you do it in a safety case a secure case or pistol or a rifle case.
Why do you think gun store employees are armed?
Ever heard of a bag 💼??? You moron in this day and age who the fuck walks to a store with a loaded gun jajah stupid kids is all
I know I always rip open boxes. Making them unusable later on for a return 😂
The teen was allegedly returning it according to the news, but that doesn't make it the truth. Don't put it past people to use fake guns to rob people or businesses.
Not only was this avoidable, but considering how 6 out of the 7 shots were in the back, this wasnt supposed to happen if the boomer didnt want to play hero
Life in prison with no parole no question asked
this is america were talking about
theyll just give em 1 day of prison and pay him 2 million dollars for the inconvenience
Hopefully the people in prison show him how it is now that he doesn’t have his little gun to shoot anything that slightly scares him lmao. Hope they tear him apart
@@bikeman1431wat?
@@coluurs5660 if he is black anyways
Trying to be a hero and ended up a zero
A coward with no positive ID and went all commando. Just cause someone is holding a "weapon" DOES NOT MEAN THEY INTEND TO USE IT AS ONE
Never return a gun to a store. I bought a Crossman BB gun from Walmart and it broke in half when I was pumping it up. If you don’t have the box, don’t walk into a store with a gun. Walmart wouldn’t accept the gun,said contract manufacturer
That’s completely immature at all. First of all we don’t know if the gun came with the box. Second of all it’s an open carry state. Third of all he wasn’t going to Walmart.
@@SeanPat1001well even if there is a open carry rights in the state it is simply a common sense that you shouldn't bring a realistic looking Airsoft toy or a real firearm out in public.
Reason being is because people these days are generally more afraid and wary of an armed person. Especially with how much crime was committed in these last few decades involving armed robbery,mass shooting,gang violence etc.
The law of open carry basically allows you to carry a firearm openly in public. By law you won't be punished. But it doesn't mean there wouldn't be consequences.
@@milkyyanks765 ive seen people open carry and not had an issue as long as the respect the rules of gun safety.
@@milkyyanks765 Don’t be stupid. If you have a right to carry a firearm openly in public, that means you have that right and no one has the right to shoot you simply because you are exercising that right.
Stop trying to blame the victim. He was shot six times in the back. He’s not the one who did anything wrong. That’s why the guy who shot him is in jail right now.
I’m a long-term resident of New Mexico which is also an open-carry state. In New Mexico, “Carrying” is defined as having the firearm on the person or in close proximity, so that the weapon is readily accessible for use.
If people open-carrying weapons make you nervous, contact your legislators and urge them to change the law or you can just move to another state.
@@SeanPat1001 and we're still here aren't we?
The teen got shot because he had a realistic looking Airsoft on his hands and the off duty security guy got arrested for homicide due to his poor firearm discipline.
Wouldn't it be nice if the kid had put the Airsoft in a close bag and the security guy kept his finger of the trigger while confronting the teens.
mr rent a cop didnt even work at the store
Biggest oof
Bro thought he had cop immunity 😂
@someguywithamustache7235 There is no such thing as "cop immunity", and he's not your "Bro".
@@DortonFarb yes there is open your phone and Google qualified immunity 🤨
Father picking up his child after martial arts practice... Frame it with the context clues. Its not a rent a cop trying to be a hero I see it more as a Father protecting his child. The girl even said there have been multiple shootings reported on the app. Father goes to pick up his child see what he sees knows what happens in the area to get to said conclusion. Idk why every one just right to rent a cop wanting to be a hero mind set and fail to see the biggest prevailing factor a Father wanting to protect his child...
There’s too many people out here who think they’re a good person by being over protective but in reality they’re just criminals trying to use any little excuse to get away with crimes they’ve been itching to commit
How does that apply to this story?
@@Solusspiritusit completely applies to this story.
@@Solusspiritus*According to court papers, the suspect then grabbed the teenager so the boy would be unable to retrieve the firearm that was on the ground. As this occurred, police said the suspect believed one of the other teens was grabbing for a gun located in that teen's waistband. It was at that point that police said the suspect fired multiple times. After the initial shots, he stood over the teen on the ground and continued to fire, according to court documents.*
The guy shot the kid and then when the kid was laying wounded on the ground he shot 6 more times to the back
First of all, many air soft guns look real, and (2) why didn’t the teens use some common sense, and carry the guns in a box or bag? I know this is real deep for some people, but just asking.
This happened in an open carry state. People can carry real firearms around openly. I’m sure the kids had seen people carrying real firearms around openly. So, why would it occur to them that carrying something that looks like a real firearm around openly would be a problem?
The security guard was the problem. Clearly, people carrying around firearms openly made him nervous. He should’ve done something else for a living or move to a state that did not have open carry.
It's an open carry state and they were walking into a sporting goods store. Stop playing devils advocate for a murderer.
Why did the adult shoot the kid holding nothing 7 times after seeing the toy gun up close? I know it's really deep, but try and think about it!!
@@pineappleparty1624 Yeah I’m probably wrong, I’m sure it was one of those hands up don’t shoot moments. I just wasn’t discerning enough with my shallow analysis.
@@pineappleparty1624 my theory is that guy worked himself into a psychotic state. When that happens, people start hallucinating.
He thought he was going to be a hero, instead he's a zero.
You're the zero, zero
@@imsoniceee Oh is somebody but hurt from the truth. Loser
This Father saw this situation happening near where his child was maybe look at all the context before you assume he was just a wanna be cop security officer trying to be a hero and maybe he was just a Father taking steps to protect his child?
@@imsoniceee you're just a bootlicker calling others names. He is a zero now, No job, a want to be cop will have to pay out 10% of 2 million to get out of jail. (OOPS there goes the rent for a few years) ...well he does have 3 hots and a cot...Something more then his son will have in a few months of no rent
@@sirken2 The kid was not even with him. He was still in the marshal arts studio.......Try again
Times sure have changed drastically since I was a kid...everybody had b.b. guns and nobody shot us for it...
Yup. Some messed up people in this world.
@@janX9not in this world, only in America
you didn't walk around public with em
@@shawnfoogle920 yes, we did walk around in public with them.
You still can in small towns where everyone knows each other and don't lock the doors to their homes because they don't really don't need to.
But yeah, things were a lot different when I was a kid. Heck I'd go to the store and ask for cigarettes for my mom can they just hand them over because they knew my mom was a smoker. Nowadays kid can't just walk into the store and grab smokes. I'm not saying they should be able to I'm just saying times have changed. Some for better some for worse.
@@f.b.l.9813
If he was returning a airsoft gun why was it not in the original packaging. I feel like there is more to this story.
You wanna know what they left out to the story?
Once the kid had already dropped the Gun and the selfproclaimed "Hero" detained one of the kids he said that the kid "reached for something in his pocket" and he shot 7 TIMES.
Just so you understand most of the bullets he shot were from the back (meaning the teen was already unable to move on the ground due to the first time he shot
Maybe he threw the package away. At least he had a receipt
@@dwrayswez why would he do that before seeking if it worked or not
How many people do you know that, after opening an item, put the packaging it came in, in strorage? I bet you had to rent another house because of all the packaging of the items you bought that you are saving. Christmas packaging over the years must take up a lot of room in that extra house/storage unit you own.
@@tomatencio9223 storage? No but you keep the box till you see if it works or not. Everyone does that. Its common sense.
This is why ppl need to mind there own business!
Wanna be hero,,,, now a forever criminal
these “security “ guards are so stupid.
@@_THEXBLACK_ burger king employees are better people than cops or security losers
@@coryc42 Yeah it's literally a 24 hr certification 😂😂😂
Honestly tho as a kid who grew up with cap gun revolvers I was always told to be careful out in public or I could be shot because someone could think it was a real gun. And this was like 20 yrs ago. Only thing I could think of is still having an identifying feature to tell its airport like the good ole orange tips. If it’s milsim it should be in a case if out in public.
This will teach kids to always keep your boxes when retuning stuff to the store. you feel me! lol
"Skuffle" and "waistband." I'm not believing that this is objective reporting. Let's hear the adult's side and the witnesses' side of this, plus the camera footage on these "teens."
The truth is RAYSIS! 😂
No box, no bag. Airsoft without orange tip? Did the other teen have an airsoft pistol in his waistband? If he confronted them why did a scuffle break out? Lots of facts left out here and people just going off without knowing them.
.... 😅
doesnt matter, he was off the clock and didnt work there so he was acting as a citizen. a firearm is for your protection not for you to interfere because you "think" someone is going to do something wrong.
@dmbworks8094 Don’t be such a cuck. If that was actually going down of course he should do something. Your mindset is very institutionalized
@@dmbworks8094 In most states you can stop what appears to be a felony in progress. That's what the security guard was doing.
@@snagglesmagoo2750. The security guard knew, or reasonably should have realized he was not dealing with real weaponry within seconds of his encounter, when no shots were fired at anyone.
This story has holes in it.
AMEN!
Can you explain those holes?
Seems like the "good guy with a gun" doesn't exist.
Wrong. This was a case of an idiot trying too hard to “save the day” with a gun. Any other responsible adult would not have confronted the teens and called the police
@@JohnSmith-in1tt Dont kid yourself... this kind of thing is happening every single day in the United States
@@TheHolesmasher all the more reason why innocent citizens should have the means to protect themselves
Yea, dudes going to prison
They should have had them in boxes or wrapped up. It's not a good idea to carry around replica guns. They are replicas at the end of the day.
says who, the dude should'nt have been so quick to judge. You don't act until u see the transgression.
OPEN CARRY NO ONE CARRED THAT IDIOT CHILD IN WISCONSIN WAS RUNNING AROUND UNDERAGE WITH AN ILLEGLLY POSESED GUN WHEN HE KILLED 2 PEOPLE
B.s.
@@jesseclark4577 So if someone is sitting on the rail of a bridge you wait until they jump before you try to grab them?
People can openly carry guns
america is such a sad country
Not his place of jurisdiction, off-duty, on top of JUST being a security guard? He'll say whatever he has to in order to get away with murder, but I think we all know he just wanted to kill someone.
Man thought for a sec he was a cop and will get a promotion
In the real news story he shot the teen 7 times in the back who was running away after dropping the bb gun . This is why he’s charged this news channel is trying so hard to defend the murderer.
Nobody saw the ORANGE tip on the guns muzzle ? It's there to prevent this kind of situation. Seems like it would be hard to return it without that in place.
Criminals can make real guns look like toys. Personally, I'm going to assume a gun is real, despite coloring.
Pellet guns are not toys. There's no orange tip on them.
@@Joe-xr3irthey’re not pellet guns, they’re airsoft. They shoot plastic.
@@Joe-xr3ir Airsoft guns are not pellet guns. every airsoft i have ever seen had the orange tip on it. But that was only in Wash. State
Ideally, yes, however that has gone out the window now days as more and more airsofters attempt to have more and more realistic looking equipment and not have orange tips. similarly.. you have people with actual firearms giving them all sorts of crazy paintjobs just because they can and they make them look like power tools, nerf foam dart guns, even the nintendo pistol, and yes, that includes just having a regular looking firearm with JUST the tip of the barrel painted bright orange so that it LOOKS like a pretend firearm that LOOKS like a real one.... Why? because they can....
Ridiculous how cowards are so brave with a gun in their hand.
On the flip side, I've always said it's stupid they make airsoft guns look real.
Id be really interested to see the security footage if there is any. I feel like this whole situation could go both ways depending on who did what and when.
Why would you walk around anywhere with a rifle or a toy that looks like a rifle? No box nor gun case.....if someone points a gun at you and tells you to drop the gun...you dont argue that its not a gun....you just drop the toy gun.
Fatherless children are not taught survivable life skills.
Why not? Washington is an open carry state. You can carry your shit wherever you want in public spaces. Secondly they were going to a sporting store and they even had a brief conversation about the gun. It would’ve taken him no time to discern it was an airsoft gun in a matter of seconds if he had handled it himself. He could’ve also called police who have actual training not bullshit guard cards.
@@Gurn-xh5fgsay that to the boys fathers you fuck up. Lol
@@Gurn-xh5fg How do you know he's fatherless? Btw Washington is an open carry state, you suggesting to do away with that?
Are you seriously blaming a dead kid and not the idiot adult with a gun and obvious emotional issues who shot him?
It should be common sense to transport the replica in a case, especially nowadays.
This is a perfect example of what it’s like to try to be Batman, but your the one going to prison instead
It is fundamental to the character of Batman not to shoot people and especially not to kill them. Batman has safeguards against himself if he kills anyone.
batman doesn't shoot someone 7 times because they're carrying an airsoft gun
This is real life not a comic book try to understand the difference.
Bad example. Batman doesn’t shoot or kill people. You should’ve said punisher or Dirty Harry.
@@chair4964 airsoft guns look incredibly realistic lmao.
Maybe if they weren't reaching for their waistband like gangstas they wouldn't have died.
Well if I was a kid and there is a security guard pointing a gun at me I definitely wouldn't be talking s*** and reaching in my waistband but that's how some kids are brought up nowadays in mostly fatherless homes
I'm curious if that airsoft gun had an orange tip or not. Because a sane person would see an orange tip and think its a toy. However if it has no orange tip... anyone would either A. Call 911, B. Run and call 911, C. Tackle them or pull a gun on them.
Which reminds me, did you know some toy guns don't even have orange tips? Course here's another scary one for you: criminals that put orange tips on real guns.
That being said, the teens probably should've put the guns in a bag instead of carrying them into the store as is.
It's pretty unlikely it has an orange tip, as an airsoft player
The teens appeared like they were about to commit a felony and I don't really fault the man
Additionally, who the f*k conceals airsoft pistols in their waistband, then reaches for it?
Any airsoft gun over ~$50-70 will look very realistic even, and those are low end guns. They shouldn't have been going to the sports store, which sells real guns, at all, because as minors they wouldn't legally be allowed to process an exchange or refund - their parents would have to do it.
My outlook is that they wanted play as gangstas
@@DefaultMale_ i fault that guy hes not a hero if anything hes kinda stupid because if it was a real robbery those teens could have shot them, but it isn't a real robbery and no matter what those kids did he still shot them with no evidence. you cant just be a judge jury and executioner
Doesn’t matter what he was, what obligation he thought he had, nowadays “right to carry” laws - All he had to do was ask them, and be a little patient.
WOW ...how about you put it in the same bag you got it with from the store...to carry it out in the open is just asking for trouble these days 😔
Lots of adults carry there wallet out in the open.
Seems too many people think it’s impossible for them to be robbed and or shot.
How about you mind your own business & stop staring at people looking for trouble?
@@bucktooth002 why don't you make me!🖤♠️😈 Young blood...any time any where☠️ I suggest you stay out of my business👍 Hate jidders!!!
Yet it is perfectly legal to carry it openly. So the shooting was murder.
Washington is an open carry state.
They couldn't return it in a closed box?
Dude could not have been smarter
Later they said none of the airsoft guns had orange tips. Makes you wonder doesn’t it ?
He’s probably a good looking blonde from the suburbs.
Having no box is a major red flag at return desk.
Why should they victim blamer?!
Washington is an open carry state. Is he gonna shoot everyone carry REAL guns too, exercising the 2nd Amendment rights you idiot??
Teach your kids how to carry a firearm in a manner that can not be considered a threat!!!!
Agreed. Even if it's an airsoft gun, it should be treated like a real one. With airsoft becoming more 1:1 with the real ones, you'd think parents would have the hindsight to teach them this.
anything except holding the security guard accountable. these are the same "pro-gun" people who believe we should open carry actual guns in walmart no questions asked
@@MegaVega2007 Well yeah the security guard deserves prison time. But this incident should be prevented so it doesn't happen again. Is that ok? Or, do you need to spout more political nonsense?
Have any of yall heard Innocent until proven guilty. What are ALL the facts and circumstances?
sorry they already predetermined that
@@tyronetrump1612 I was actually speaking for the guard.
Them fools were F.A.F.O.
Fact: man shoots teen dead
Fact: man was not a police officer
Fact: man had no right to make the decision to do a policeman's job.
@@nickc8819now the guard is gonna find out when he’s in prison 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
maybe put the fake gun in the box it came in before returning?
Maybe don’t be a moron who thinks someone would attempt an arm robbery at big 5
dude you cant shoot till during the robbery. not before. you have to wait till felony committed. not assume 1 will be
this is why you dont carry anything that looks like a gun in public if they were going to make an exchange they should of had it in a box and no issue would of been
Where the camera footage
Rest in peace Hazrat Ali Rohani
Had a chance to be a hero, instead he was a zero.
To be fair, if you are going to return a bb gun or airsoft gun, carry it in a box not just plain out lol. Its also supposed to be in the box when carrying in public anyways, not just out
wrong
They were LITERALLY outside a sporting goods store, what do you think you buy there?
I don't know that. Does that make me retarded at my age somehow? Or anyone else, worse if they're not gun owners but bystanders who even are immigrants or visiting outside the states. There's a lot of people who don't expect that. Worse yet people who are miseducated by the news(which a lot are) about guns.
@@UzdefizedGuns that come in boxes
@@rogusmith2630 Wrong
that dude wants to be a cop so bad lol
Security guard? Murder. Police? Standard procedure, cleared of any wrongdoing, officer feared for his life and others.
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