Big questions about the Covid booster shot, answered
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- Опубліковано 8 гру 2021
- How omicron has reframed the booster debate.
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Much of the messaging from authorities around Covid-19 booster shots has been confusing - and that’s partly because scientists themselves haven’t always agreed on who needs them. When many countries began to recommend boosters not just for the older and high-risk, but for all adults, they were essentially taking sides in a still-unresolved debate around that question: Why give an extra dose to healthy adults who are still very protected against severe Covid-19 cases from their original dose?
But since the omicron variant has emerged, many have changed their minds. To understand why, we talked to one formerly skeptical expert who scheduled her own booster shot based on what she learned about omicron. We spoke to her about what happens in your immune system when you get that third (or second) shot, and why it could be especially useful in stopping the spread of omicron.
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Since our conversation with Dr. Gounder, newer data seems to corroborate the prediction that boosters will be effective against omicron: www.nytimes.com/live/2021/12/...
Vox's Dylan Scott reported on many of the early questions around omicron: www.vox.com/coronavirus-covid...
Our World in Data is probably the best place to see how your county is doing with boosters:
ourworldindata.org/grapher/co...
And what percent is already fully vaccinated:
ourworldindata.org/grapher/sh...
And these are the studies we refer to in the video:
This one from Israel shows the benefit a booster can give longer-term: www.thelancet.com/journals/la...
And these US studies show the waning effectiveness of the vaccines against any infection:
www.thelancet.com/action/show...
www.medrxiv.org/content/10.11...
This was the presentation NIH gave the FDA after studying mixing and matching Pfizer, Modern and J&J: www.fda.gov/media/153128/down...
And here’s a study on mixing AstraZeneca with mRNA vaccines: www.nature.com/articles/s4159...
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@@2kchallengewith4video Juan, just Juan
You made a video about all vaccines some time ago and at least outside of the US was extremely useful, with covid been a global issue to make videos like that (more oriented to all the vaccines and not only the ones used in the US) it will be very helpful for people like myself who struggles with official disinformation. Thanks for keep informing.
Vaccines are not the cure for the disease. Where is the antiviral drug to combat covid19? Why no one is talking about it?
Anyone pushing vaccines without even mentioning D3 is evil in my opinion. I'm looking at you Vox.
Instead of countries like the UK, Israel and the US getting booster shots for all adults, would it not be more effective on a global level to give these doses to countries like Botswana etc where new varients have appeared because case rates are high and vaccination coverage low. Botswana is still waiting on doses ordered months ago.
No, because big pharma would make less money. We don’t want that to happen, do we?
@@NamaDoodoo I'm not sure where you are getting that information, developing nations have had to pay higher prices per dose to get what little vaccines they can?
@@markleckie2547 I think you misunderstood me
@@markleckie2547 she actually has it correct. Look at what Bill Gates said about not letting patent protections be wavered for the good of global health. Don't get me started
@@akmo7766he lifted the patents 7 months ago and said this statement " No barriers should stand in the way of equitable access to vaccines, including intellectual property, which is why we are supportive of a narrow waiver during the pandemic,” he wrote in a statement, which was an about-face for the world’s largest private foundation."
By the way scientists/doctors changing their minds are a good thing. We all make decisions based on information available at the time. But things change rapidly in this pandemic, and new evidence are presented all the time. So doctors updating their stance and views are absolutely a good thing (and essential) when dealing with this pandemic.
Great comment. Science is ever changing.
What would be silly is standing by views that we no longer believe in simply to avoid scrutiny.
Yes. I just wish she’d spoken with the scientists who made the booster extension BEFORE blurting out that not everybody needs a booster. In this case, there was evidence the decision makers had, that weighted things against the norm. She should’ve spoken with them first, to avoid giving out outdated advice. Not helpful even though she now knows better. Her advice might’ve cost some who listened to her initial advice, highly.
Yes, indeed. Yet in addition it means that there is always room for a big, big mistake.
I just don’t think you get to decide policy and mandates with teeth and get to change your mind. That’s awfully similar to a king
But forcing people to do something and threatening to ruin their lives about something you're not absolutely sure about is criminal.
They're going to run out of greek letters at this point
You know, as a physics student focusing on theoretical physics when I ran out of Greek letters to use I either
- Use other symbols.
- Add something to the existing Greek letters, like a hat, a bar, a dot, a number, anything that will make it different.
- Combine 2 Greek letters for 1 symbol.
- Or make a scribble that I can easily remake.
So I believe the scientists can use similar or other naming system for all of the variants.
When that happened in my math class we just started using Hebrew letters lol
@@wibufisika9606 My understanding is that one of the reasons the Greek alphabet was chosen is that it's simple and memorable in spoken and written form. The naming of the variants isn't just for the sake of scientists (they already have a system using letters and numbers) but it's for reporting and governments. Adding a symbol that can't be pronounced would compromise those traits.
Maybe using a different alphabet system could be an alternative?
The day the sigma variant comes is the day the world ends.
Alpha-sigma will be worse
My question is if the new variant is so different that our B cells might not recognize it then how come taking a booster shot which has been made for earlier variants provide memory to B cells about something which it has never encountered?
It did’t say that it provides memory for the new variant tho? Booster only replenish your antibodies so when new variant enter your body, you have a high number of soldiers (antibodies) ready for war against the invader (virus).
scaling
harder variants, higher hurdle
Because science, that's why.
@@michael5725 so these antibodies work against omicron?
@@hustlebustle3986 Recent studies show they neutralize omicron after the third shot (only about 25%, instead of 95% against delta). So yes but not perfectly, meaning that you need more to do the same.
So growing up we got ONE vaccinated shot for measles chickenpox ect. So why multiple vaccines for this sickness ?
A good question for policy makers is if it was a good marketing strategy to advertise a third shot when folks are not willing to get the first one because of fears of inefficacy.
Jast wanted to make same comment.
CNBC just released an article yesterday quoting phizer CEO saying a 4th dose would be needed sooner then expected. So the point you were making about fears of inefficacy is only going to be expanded with media coverage like that haha
Most anti-vaxxers are conspiracy theorists.
@@brittanyv6594 there's an important distinction to make between anti vaxxers and vaccine hesitant though. There are still millions of people in the US who are only hesitant and can be reached if done properly
@@brittanyv6594 most corona-warriors are selfish old people..
1 month later: The 4th booster is highly recommended
June 7th 2022, 19th booster eligible can now enter gyms, cinemas, and parks
2023: the 5th dose can make you invisible
Already happening 😂
Wow, never got a shot....doing good 🙂
That's right keep on getting every booster and support your drug companys profits...
Explaining why it is required would really help with trust rather than just 'get it'.
Like in school, teachers would demand to see the 'workings out' rather than just the answer itself, this confirmed everyone was on the same page!
cause the vaccine companies are the one pushing this if you look in to it to make billions. research what the vaccine companies are doing to poor countries like South America where they demand country to give them free tax breaks and use entire military camps for their labs pure greed
@Jord The Canadian Less holes than what currently exists without a government explanation? surely something is better than nothing.
@@joyboy6535 which might explain why there is not a great detail of government detail I suppose
Just get the booster already! _This comment sponsored by Moderna_
The argument is that by getting another vaccine dose, you'll increase the antibody level for a period, which will be a more effective protection against the omicron variant and covid in general. This is a known effect found in all vaccinations to viral infections where the antibody level increase after inoculation, then decreasing for some time until reaching an equilibrium. Then with the next infection memory cells will react quicker to produce antibodies. Essentially, what we want is to increase the antibody level to prevent hospitalizations (either by less effective spread or just better initial protection preventing strong adverse effects from the virus), because a large increase in patients to the hospitals will lead to an increase in deaths, because there is a fixed amount of personnel to care for the very sick covid patients.
2 new covid Variants every year for the rest of our lives!
@@gorgthesalty I was told by a doctor that the virus mutates when it comes in contact with a vaccinated person .
Your lives, not mine. I haven't run across a single variant this whole time. Haven't had a cold in 2 years & haven't had a single covid test, either.
Implications? 1 little 2 little 3 little boosters, 4 little 5 little 6 little boosters, 7 little 8 little 9 little boosters, 10 little boosters and you're gone...future kindergarten song.
@@motoriderguy3854 That doctor doesn't know what they're talking about.
*The new normal they were talking about at day 1*
Vaccines are extremely good at providing long lasting immunity....... To their manufacturers
😁😆🤣🤣😅😆🤭🤭🤭😅😆🤣😂
Do your boosters and leave the rest of us alone.
I wish Vox also include other vaccines like Sinovac, because in my country majority of the people dont use those and I want to know more data and best combination for that.
Sinovac uses old technology and is unreliable so it doesn't count as an actual vaccine in a lot of Western countries.
If you got that for your first two doses, get a booster shot from another brand. Pfizer, Moderna, Astra Zeneca should all be okay. Even J & J would be okay, if available.
had 2 shots of Sinovac, still had a pretty bad case of COVID back in september and was hospitalized. i'm only 20
@@frantickero7725 thats a bad idea, there was a similar plan here in serbia, and companies that produce vaccines warned against it. But yeah, sinovac is probably the worst vaccine out there. Still, better then nothing
Why would you get Sinovac tho...
Heck NO. You should not have gotten the jab in the first place. NEITHER works as promised. Period.
Oh it works; just not the way you think it should. Tick tock.
The doctor's reasoning makes little sense. How does increasing antibody levels through boosters "overwhelm" the novelty of the omicron variant, especially if B cells (which manufacture antibodies) fail to identify it?
They generate new DNA by randomly combining your own DNA. If the DNA of the virus is in your library already it has more chances to create protection based on that random DNA mutations mechanism which matches Omicron.
@@SahilP2648 Define "they". Vaccines work by inducing antibody production, not by "randomizing" DNA. Were that to happen, the majority of antibodies produced would be ineffective at preventing infection.
It makes perfect sense.
If you don't get a booster, your body has fewer antibodies over time and depends on the B cells to produce antibodies when it detects the virus. So if you get the omicron variant in your system and the B cells don't detect it, they won't produce additional antibodies and you'll be more susceptible to the virus.
If you do get a booster, the amount of antibodies in your system is automatically higher. This way, if the omicron variant enters your system, even if the B cells fail to recognize it, your body already has a higher level of antibodies to protect you.
@@michaelg1778 Antibodies are tailored to glom onto exact protein sequences presented by individual viruses. There's no "one size fits all" when it comes to antibodies. Without this unique feature, the entire field of serology would not exist.
Just explaining it like it was said in the video.
Under what condition do we declare the pandemic over? Like technically, what are the conditions?
It's not going to be over. When did the Flu finish? The mutation and contagiousness of the two are very similar.
logically it'd be when the spread normalizes and the virus doesn't evolve as rapidly. we do not call flu season a pandemic for a long time despite many similarities.
I’m no expert, but
Theoretically it's when covid doesn't cause severe disease in a widespread population. But then again, covid doesn't cause severe disease for vaccinated people anywhere near what it was for unvaccinated. So you would think that would be the "end condition", but now they're pushing boosters which have very little impact on severe disease reduction for most of the population so obviously that's not the case.
The only way I see it "ending" is 1 of 2 ways;
1. An effective treatment steers people away from the "another booster" regime.
Or 2. The majority of people refuse to comply with increasingly stringent regulations against a decreasing risk of covid
@@haydenr7528 40 percent of the us is not vaccinated, so covid can still couse a severe disease to "widespread population". 40 percent is pretty widespread, for EU its 30, still- widespread
I really wish the conversation between scientists and healthcare people about the effectiveness of getting a booster was NOT done I'm the public's eye. People will hear half the story and then disconnect from it, only knowing half the conversation.
The discussion points could have been laid out, like in this video, after a final agreement was made; with points and counter points together.
Scientists are between a rock and hard place. If they don't say much publicly for long periods they get accused of lack of transparency and the conspiracy theorist go wild. If they do have these discussions in the public view, they get accused of lack of certainty and conspiracy theorists go wild. It doesn't help that a whole party establishment is know fully anti-science and pro-virus
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@@waldo8040 Exactly, 100%
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Wait, so you want it to be ENITRELY out of the public domain? And then mandated/enforced upon on the public?!
the further this gets pushed, the less I believe any of it.
absolutely logical. you ask for confirmation, when it is given you choose to ignore it. 👍👍👍
@@kensaiix There is no validation, so get over yourself… you have been scammed. Have nice day.
@@joe-bloggs. another one...
ok, i'll bite. scamed by whom and to what purouse? how does that link to the validation statement in your previous sentence? and what do you mean with your first sentence in the first place? it seems you are just chaining words together.
@@kensaiix It seems UA-cam refuses to publish my reply. That in it self should put you on alert.
I do not want Pfizer's administrators, nor any Big Pharma CEO's, proposing and advising (much less directing) the public to opt for a 4th, 5th, 6th, etc., booster.
Unless the general opinion and of viral medical experts make such a recommendation Big Pharma should not benefit financially from this seemingly endless situation.
Vaccination (one shot) costs between 2 and 20 €.
One day in the ICU cost thousands!
@@x-pilot6180 Less than 1% of covid positive people are admited to an ICU, +95% of which have 4+ additinoal illnesess (co-morbidities)*. The €2 per vaccine is an old contract no longer in place, that vaccine is now up to €5 and all the other vaccines that are much more widely adopted are +€15 PER DOSE.
*virology statistics courtesy of the US and UK
@@Boa796
Vaccination is cheaper than ICU.
Thanks that you confirming my Statement!
Nope
I feel this video doesn’t touch on the fact that UK and the US has different interval for boosters. In the UK, it is 3 months after the 2nd dose and in the US, it is 6 months.
UK also has 8-12 week gap between first and second dose, UK also seems to have more vaccine benefits than the US
It's almost like none of this is scientific at all.
@@anonanon3545 says the not scientist.
It's amazing people still thinks it helps them. They've never told the truth about anything yet and never get their "data' to line up with other's. Then the ruling class breaks every new mandate they come up with.
@@sparklesparklesparkle6318 neither does the big company CEOs
COVID - a never ending cycle
Yes, because anti-vaxxers let it become endemic. There was an opportunity for us to probably wipe it out (not entirely, but in the way we did, say, bird flu), but because so many people on the right side of the political spectrum underplayed COVID and fear-mongered the vaccine, we missed that window. So COVID is endemic now, and we're likely to stay that way for a long time.
@@ampersand08 yeah and those people are braindead
@@saf365 Haha! “Everyone who disagrees with me is braindead” is the way children debate and argue. Grow up.
@@ampersand08 Hey Basically I’m just not gonna take it (the vaccine!!) I know.... UGH I know.... I’m sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It’s just that I’m not gonna take it is all
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
@@ampersand08 Unvaccinated let it become endemic? That would only be true if vaccination significantly reduced transmission, and it doesn't.
3:22 woman says current vaccine may not fully protect against omicron and then recommends getting a booster of that same vaccine. How does that make sense?
That little word "may" is why. It may or it may not. We just don't know yet, but it won't hurt to get boosted. I just got my booster yesterday, and I feel really lucky it was available.
@@elise_h It may or may not hurt to get boosted. We don't know that either. I took 2 Pfizer vaccines and that's gonna be it. I'm not going to take extra shots while nobody knows the outcome.
@@remon9099 I'm glad you got vaccinated. I hope you'll get a booster if one is available to you. It's the exact same product, possibly in a lower dose, so I don't see how that can hurt you. The unknown is how virulent or resistant the new strains will be, not how safe the vaccines are (very safe, btw).
@@remon9099 "Anti-booster" is about to become the new slur. Soon you'll need a booster to eat at restaurants and go into bars, clubs, and venues. Sad that so many people have lost their minds and are addicted to moving goalposts as it relates to COVID. Just getting Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, etc. will never be enough for these people. They require never ending compliance. See Elise H's comment above. Don't ask questions, just get boosted or you're a racist or something.
How? Because science, that's how.
When was the last time you saw a new hospital built? I guarantee you you’ve seen more prisons built
Your graphs and charts are usually spot on, what’s with the numbers increasing right to left on the world map though ?
I'll go and see what Dr. Malone recommends.
No
why is this new variant such a concern yet they admit they know next to nothing about it? can someone please explain how this works?
I can only imagine how downvotes there are.
World become such a mess
If we do not break free they will continue.
Resist never give in
the system will collapse and we will make a new one. fret not
I got my booster shot today because the hospitals here in Germany are struggling quite hard, but I also think that it’s more important to give those doses to countries that need it. In Germany we fear that the doses expire because there aren’t enough people that get vaccinated, while there are countries that didn’t even have the chance to give the first shot to a majority of their people. It is hard though because at the same time I wish that more people in my country would get vaccinated, so I can live a normal life again without fear and restrictions, but that also comes to the expense of other peoples health.
For sure. It was slightly bittersweet when a local municipality announced that if they didn't use their doses soon, they'd ship them to african countries in need of vaccines. Suddenly, a lot of unvaccinated people got vaccinated. It feels weird.
If you really live in fear you are the worst kind
@@henkdenktank3632 fear is a human function… next youre going to say covid was made in a lab
🤣🤣🤣🤣 congrats on the extra death dose
@@spyrotech2616 you're a robot
These people are actors😏😁🤣🤣
"the decision about booster and vaccine supply is made at a far higher level than you getting a shoot or not"... I don't want to start a comment war, but honnestly, this is almost ALWAYS the case. There are some niche subjects where you have ability to do your part, but most of impactfull decisions are not really in our hands, except, maybe a little, when voting.
People are deffo arguing about the policy but I don’t think anyone is disputing their impotence when it comes to actually shaping vaccine distribution.
Let’s talk about the long term studies done on the boosters🤔🧐
You'll turn into a strange creature......
7 mice
Y’all better wake tf up
Remember me as I will soon be forgotten in the world of commentaries;-;
Still haven't got my superpowers 😥
Ask customer service, I got wings. Chicken wings.
why do we need boosters? Omicron isn't even that bad so it makes no sense why we need one
You took the first two doses right? Now they're telling you to take a third. Just take the shot. Don't you want to protect others? You sound like a filthy anti-vaxxer. We're building a special camp for you.
Vox does a good job with these videos. This isn't sensationalizing or overstating what vaccines/boosters do. However, color me a cynical skeptic, but the fact that Dr. Gounder's a member of the COVID-19 Advisory Panel leads me to wonder how much of a role the pharmaceuticals play in her suggestions. And I'm not even suggesting something underhanded; the simple fact that Big Pharma is certainly in close contact (no pun intended) with the Panel increases the probability that they have influence or sway, whether intentional or not. For instance, Dr. Gounder could have very easily made the case that Omicron is a more contagious but less severe variant, suggesting that we are headed towards a mild endemic disease. Doesn't the current evidence from Omicron suggest that scenario is as likely as getting continual boosters? Thanks.
davis you are unto something real here.. i think dr celine is basically shilling for big phrama. it was the strategy all along
Yeah they are well informed, but also a little lefty agenda.
@@tibodeclercq2131 Funny how science always lines up with the left..
@@seans758 It's almost as if the people who want to make society better are better educated, weird...
@@seans758 is that sarcasm? if so note the irony in your statement (if you have enough self reflection to do this lol) if not sarcasm then w/e
My 2 cents. This was a great interviewer and a GREAT 'interviewee.' Solid questions with no agenda but to inform, and the 'interviewee' is very good at communicating concepts and rationale.
The visual illustrations were on par too.
Hey Basically I’m just not gonna take it (the vaccine!!) I know.... UGH I know.... I’m sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It’s just that I’m not gonna take it is all
HAHAHAHAHAHAH
@@fruitbouquet5479 The animations make it appear as though you get injected in your shoulder almost right into an artery.
@@ArgonNoble If only you know how much ineptitude the informality of this reply is displaying
Thank you Bill, very cool!
These boosters have not even been tested on humans yet
really slick visualizations for the effectiveness of mixing boosters
Ehm, yes, and a really slick omission of the obvious conclusion that you should get a non-mRNA booster (just not the sub-par J&J) after a mRNA vaccine.
@@eljanrimsa5843 why is that?
We need to support Pfizer and Moderna's poor investors! Come on people, please get as many boosters as possible so they can profit more!
You need to keep the big drug companys in business by getting all their shots......
The question is how many more vaccine infomercials do you need until noone cares?
Dear Vox team, can you make content on the Covid Long? What are types of Long Covid and how it is being treated etc. Also if its safe for Long Covid patients to have booster? Thank you
6:33, but if none of those individuals seem to have a need for it, then the government would feel more free to send it overseas?
If many people are going for boosters, the government for sure can't send it abroad?!
Vaccines dont last long, if that vaccine is already in your country and "waited" to someone that didnt came, that vaccine will be discarded.
Africa received a bunch of vaccines that went to the garbage because of how short they last. Most poor countries dont have a good distribution system, and sending vaccines with even shorter shelf life does not help.
Rich countries will forever buy the vaccines they can, because they know thats the only way to avoid health/economic systems crashes.
@@darkbf123456, maybe instead of "just sending vaccines", developed countries can also develop the logistics infrastructure?
This would be beneficial both morally and financially as new variants may not rise to affect the economy of the developed countries.
@@Sivah_Akash A country will never spend public money to fund an efficient infrastructure for vaccine distribution in another country.
That is impossible, not only because of the money, but because would take dozens of years.
Some places, like Africa, will never reach a good vaccination rate. Most countries there don't have the infrastructure, and a big part of the population won't take the vaccine even if available.
Some places like Brazil have a good vaccine distribution system, and a population that socially accepts the vaccine. USA has good distribution, but part of the population don't accept. And some places have none of the 2.
@@darkbf123456, good point. What about just a temporary solution or somehow spend more money to speed up vaccine distribution quickly than what these countries currently are able to?
The infrastructure isn't massive bridges, so I'm assuming time won't be a major issue if developed countries had started this last year? Or maybe even now?
Great interview, but why would you ever clearly edit the sign at 7:20? That just fodders peoples skepticism
Nice. Now we have subscription based immun system))
Best comment so far.
They’re going to release a new variant until everybody is vaccinated. 😂
Exactly.b
Istg lol
This is a cult. This is wild to watch unfold. By far the strangest cult I've ever read about.
From your name I can tell you have lost touch with reality.
@@LeChina go schedule your booster.
They literally completed subscription business model for vaccination. It is like owning money printing machine.
How much does the vaccine shot cost in the US? I mean, in Europe it's free so the subscription argument is invalid, you just need to go to the vaccination spot once every 6 months, not that difficult
@@neyte7313 *Lol I doubt you're shots were free, you're just not paying upfront or the debt is being covered elsewhere which will eventually return to you or your fellow countrymen.*
@@neyte7313 defending big pharma is not the way to go. I don’t care if it costs a $1 or less. That’s still profiting. They literally own every nation with this.
@@michaelbeleut6480 the vaccine costs about 350$ a piece.
You’re clearly clueless about basic economics, taxation, politics and public policy.
You and your children will pay 10 fold for these “free” injections.
They really have no idea what they're doing.
3:57 She wasn't done talking. Why is the sentence cut?
Stop noticing things
Because what she was saying didn't even make sense. "My stance on boosters changed because of omicron. Omicron is so different the current shots may not be enough... So let's recommend more of the same shot that doesn't work well!"
"by giving additional doses of vaccine you could override this relative immune evasion..."
let me finish the sentence:
"..but it would make much more sense to tweak the vaccine to recognize the new variant."
And here I am, having my 3rd shot only after 1 month and 2 weeks because nobody told me I had to wait 6 months 🤔🙄 3 Astrazeneca shots
Du mb a ss
Here in Germany they ask when your last one was and you physically can’t get one if it was less than five months ago
@@MotionScreenFa no. This is a failure of her local vaccine provider. That should be very visible and accessible knowledge when booking a vaccine.
You don't have to. The main reason for the wait was to make sure that the more vulnerable got their boosters first. There is no downside to having them early.
Selling is the plan
Here in Panamá we bought AstraZeneca and Pfizer vaccines. Around 75-80% of the Panamanian population is already vaccinated, and we are currently offering booster shots. However, we had a lot of remaining AstraZeneca vaccines which we donated to other countries in the region like Nicaragua who don’t have access to the vaccine.
after seeing a corrupt country news this made me glad
And how many people are dying there now ? “mysteriously” ?
Why haven't I died from covid yet? I do not have a vaccine and I have never followed a single restriction or mandate
Ok so if Omicron is different enough that the immune system can’t recognize it based on the samples in the current vaccine… then we should make new updated vaccine that can teach the immune system to recognize Omicron.
And send that to places that really need it first. Help poor countries that really need it, then protect better off places.
If I understood the video correct. This is not clear yet. Our vaccine could still be worrking vs Omicron they just didn't have enough time to get reliable results.
@@copy2106 ok I see. We just don’t know enough. So more research is needed. Thanks for clarifying.
@@NovaRuner no need to help us (poor countries).
Take your 16x shot and enjoy... protected ofc.. 🙃
@@NovaRuner Also, antibodies can also recognise similar proteins, so even if the spike protein mutates, the antibodies can still attach to it. However, it will be less effective at attaching to the protein, so you will need more antibodies.
@@jayliu9637 I see. Well that makes sense. Thanks for your insight.
What about the statistics of Cancino and Sputnik V vaccines?🤔
Who made Cancino?
🇨🇳
@@ahmedkamalhasin2070 i think he meant Cansino which is a Chinese version of Janssen (J&J)
Because Vox is an American company whose audience are Americans? Why would the citizen care about other vaccines?
@@michael5725 Vox doesn't only make US news reports. They talk about issues from many countries. It's not only US citizens who watches Vox videos.
Why don’t you show results of the astrazeneca vaccine effectiveness against the Covid-19 world wide? It’s being used in countries that don’t have access to the other pharmaceutical drugs that have been approved by the CDC.
Before I watch... Let me guess ,Vox will be pro booster shot.
Ok, it's really quite simple. The third dose increases immunity, so
after the fourth dose you'll be protected. Once 80% of the population
has received the fifth dose, the restrictions can be relaxed as the
sixth dose stops the virus from spreading. I am confident that the
seventh dose will solve our problems and we'll have no reason to fear
the eighth dose. The clinical phase of the ninth dose will confirm that
the antibodies remain stable after the tenth dose. The eleventh dose
will insure that no new mutations will develop, so there is no longer
any reason to criticize the twelfth dose. Now the 13th-20th booster is
on a whole new level of conversation of following the science.
Bigger problem is when scientists say one thing on TV and then say something else when more information comes to light.
What we know is constantly changing but for most people who see this see, they see flipflopping and end up distrusting scientists.
Just a hard balance of informing the public and informing the public with new information that discredits the old information.
that’s generally how science works though, especially when it comes to viruses. they’re ever changing and require quick responses and action. coming out with updates and new information is literally a part of a scientist’s job description. it’s sad that some people can’t conceptualise such a simple idea.
This is more of a primary education problem, and less of a science communication problem. Anyone with, what should be, a basic high school science education should understand that studies are not instant and that incoming data can change a hypothesis. That makes science trustworthy, not faulty. It is to be expected. The problem, honestly, is that the US education system has been purposefully gutted over the past 60 years.
i understand the sample size is low, however i wish they’d do studies on boosters for at-risk minors. i feel protected with two, but am incredibly confused about the long term.
There is no long term. Vaccines have an immediate effect.
"Long term" is a furphy being spread by disinformers who want people to be hesitant so they get harmed by this virus.
current clinical trials from pfizer only investigate markers of antibodies, they are using preliminary data to skew their points into promoting the booster because it will naturally profit them to sell it, sure, it's marketing but it has also a scientific basis, does that mean being young and double vaccinated is ineffective against omicron? uh i dont think so because pfizer's trials have not looked at T-cell and B-cell activation very well or have a good sample for healthy aged (non-elderly/at-risk) people will react to an omicron exposure with two regular vaccines, what i believe is that the omicron variant's high transmissibility and low severity (early, preliminary just like pfizer's trials), will cause the populate to achieve herd immunity through a good combination of vaccination and testing policy.
Don't worry. Fauci recommended a 4th last week. Then you'll be protected.
I am in same boat as you. However feel free to watch Shane Crotty's or Paul Offits videos on how long term immunity is holding up. They are saying 2 doses are good enough for now for protection against severe disease.
@@Fear.of.the.Dark. Yes, but as there are many unvaccinated people about, the thing a booster will do is make a big difference to the likelihood of you catching Covid in the first place - this is important because if you then pass it on to the unvaccinated, they are very likely to go to hospital, which means hospital beds aren't available for other people to use.
Why would the omicron variant be cause for concern when we don't know that that variant is able to evade prior immunity NOR that it can cause worse disease? Boosters should only be used for the immunocompromised and high risk, boosting healthy people with low risk are wasting vaccine.
They salivate at every new variant announcement, they're corporations, why would they wait, they're going to do that until the people say no, profits first.
The answer is always Moar Boosters!
Anyone who doesn't have at least 5 shots, should be considered unvaccinated.
B Cells as antibody factories, love the analogy. They kick back into gear and make more antibodies once the virus is reintroduced. The body throws away what it doesn't need or isn't using.
What worries me about "boosters" is that they will be available in the rich nations whilst poor countries have not vaccinated even old people... THIS IS A SHAME!
Some "poor countries" are not in situation bad enough
What I meant is
When there's almost no case you don't want to get vaxxed
Hope you would be alive to enjoy your 50th booster day.
@@crypto_with_tushar I don't really care about Covid because I am pretty sure this disease would not be bad for me. However, I care about other people, and because of that, I got vaccinated. Despite thinking that these vaccines are not as good as they should be, this is the minimum I could do to help everyone.
@@nicolaspaiva4790 how are you helping people, if even a doorknob can spread the virus? Politicians straight-up LIED when they told everyone that it would stop the spread.
And what should poorer countries do in this world of Vaccine Inequity
after a long hard thought, i have decided not to take nay boosters so ppl in the middle east can booster instead.
@@Pauli650 I'd been glad if you had said that a few weeks ago. Still, I really appreciate your sentiment. But now I believe that even if you don't take the booster, it's not gonna be any good, the dose will just expire. What is needed (Tho, I fear this may not be practical) is the people to persuade their governments for Vaccine Equity, with the same, if not more, enthusiasm as those anti-vax-mandate protests are going on in Europe currently.
@@makhalid1999 I'm sure those anti-vax people would be more than happy to donate their boosters to you and your people.
@@Pauli650 Well, yeah you're right. Would be a good trade-off if they don't want it anyways
Now what would happen if a patient received their booster shot too early? (After only 4-months) Why is the waiting period between the second dose and the booster so imperative?
Not the most qualified since I’m a molecular biologist but the goal is to increase the strength of the immune response. Time is required for your body to “calm down” from the first response: the stronger the response, the more memory B cells will be produced, ergo a better response when you really get infected by the virus. Hope you understand
I think the other point, in addition to the answer you've already received, is (or at least, was) to give boosters in something of a priority order. For the sake of fairness, people who had their second dose 2 or 3 months ago shouldn't really be getting their booster ahead of those who has it 6 months ago...particularly as the longr ago you had your second jab, the older you are (in general).
It's been proven that the vaccines only protect the person for 3 months. In the UK they are giving the booster after 3 months of receiving the second shot.
@@taptapdig5487 Not so. Not so at all. Vaccines provide protection which declines over time. It isn't zero at 3 months, as you suggest, it's just less than it was. And if you read the other answers, you'll find that the time limits (6 months then 3 months) were more about ensuring that people got their boosters in a priority order.
i couldn't wait and jumped in like for my 6th and I feel jacked. Im literally shaking. My wifes bf is getting his 7th.
This is all a scam and I feel sad for the people that fall for it.
Same
Are all the dead people in on the scam?
@@tanookimarketing Do you mean the people that died in a car accident and were counted as a "covid death" or the ones that sadly passed away due to complications from other causes that would have died with or without covid?
@@mikethemike6406 Come back to reality ya silly pigeon. There is zero proof or logic to your statements.
@@mikethemike6406 proof of your claims?
People are worried about omicron, but the current wave is still spurred by Delta mainly, against which the booster is highly effective
yeah, but also according to the WHO, omicron has less severe symptoms.
The reason they are worried abut omicron is because it has the potential to spread faster and more effectively than Delta. We likely already saw the worst of the Delta varient, but omicron is still just starting.
@@fairlyfactual451 so if omicron spreads fast and has mild symptoms, it would be perfect to achieve herd immunity right?
@@Lilly-hk6qn That depends on a number of factors. The most prominent of which is the longevity of antibodies produced from infection. COVID generally has been known to have shorter-lived antibodies than other diseases such as smallpox where second infections are very rare in a lifetime. As a result, for that disease, achieving herd immunity was trivial; simply vaccinate enough of the population at some point in their lives and the disease will not be able to sustain itself anymore and dies out. On the other hand with COVID's omicron variant, if antibodies from infection last 3-5 months like the original strain of COVID, then herd immunity would only be possible if enough of the population was either vaccinated (7+ months of immunity for Pfizer) or infected (3-5 months immunity on average). Presently, neither vaccination nor infection rates are high enough to achieve herd immunity in the United States. Moreover, if herd immunity was achieved here, it is possible it would not last indefinitely unless the rest of the world could achieve it at the same time as well.
@@Lilly-hk6qn sure we could do that, but a better way to get herd immunity is for everybody to take the vaccine. We'd get there without having to sacrifice millions of lives.
And then another booster and another booster and another booster.......
STOP SPREADING LIES.
I want my college to open 😭 can't stay at home anymore
Online school > offline school
@@mansoorahmed1256 No
KOTARO :) w pfp
For the susceptible, their may be a case.
I got my second does around 8 June 2021, fast forward to 6 months and 2 weeks later that I decided to book my booster seeing rise in cases, on 23rd December 2021. I developed fever the night before my booster shot and tested positive 23rd December,2021.😂 Cheers to spending new years alone in isolation..
Get well soon
You’re probably well now hope everything is doing good
What about people in India who had a covaccince or covishield vaccines? When can we take boosters? What boosters can we take?
You can take covaxin booster at 280 rupees
Whether or not you’re getting a shot, for eff’s, don’t ask VOX. Ask *your* doctor.
Before watching this video, my prediction is vox is going to say yes. Let's see how right or wrong I am
is Vox Fox News or Newsmax? No. Obviously they're going to say yes.
Hi,
Like many of you, I also have concerns.
I've been struggling for years and currently stuck in gold I in LoL.
Is it time for me to get boosted?
I would highly recommend not getting the boost, simply because research has proven that we can't trust the people giving the boosts nor have they provided any proof that it's safe and beneficial to your quality of life. The looks tempted but when you get the boost, you realise that it's just a rank and in the end it doesn't mean anything!
You might be Gold 1 now but eventually you'll reach your goals! I was Silver for 4 years before reaching Diamond 1 in a single season by one tricking (and 1000 games of pain),
You can do it, don't let the big dogs convince you of getting the boost!
did not expect a league of legends comment, time to sort by new
@@spyrotech2616 No matter where you go, no matter how far you run, the curse of League will always follow you.
When is it available for 16-17?
That's a no go for me.
7:00 Why are most countries in Africa not vaccinating? Many developing countries in Asia and the Americas are keeping up with developed countries. Are they just not buying vaccines? What's going on?!
Distribution difficulty in Africa is one reason, they are the last on the list. But sadly the primary reason is because many African countries are very skeptical of medicine - they view it as the west imposing their culture and forcing their views on them
Pfizer only sign contract with rich country.
@@puppipuri6996 that's not true at all. In fact they are giving 1 billion doses away to poorer countries specifically
No I don’t think I will get a booster. Complete madness amongst young people getting boosters.
young people are a conspiracy theory! get the boosters
@@Pauli650 can I get boosted of I Am unvaccinated 🧐
How about therapeutics, antivirals, and treatments what's with the sole obsession on vaccines?
SHHHHHH dont tell anyone that otherwise they wont do as the establishments says
Follow the money.
@@Spearca The vaccine doesn't prevent infection genius. It only "lowers your chance of requiring hospitalization" from an infection.
@@Spearca And NO the vaccines are FAR more expensive than the antivirals that even VERY poor countries are providing to their people in pill form, and it's been far more effective than the vaccines in most cases. Now do you have any more completely ignorant and uneducated opinions?
@@Spearca who told you you can avoid it , you cant were all going to catch it most probably already have
Why are first world countries debating about benefits of booster shots when there are billions of people in countries that cannot even afford standard two shots?
Why wouldn’t you?
I got the Moderna booster two days ago. On the first day after the booster, a little soreness in the injection site, leading me to think this was going to be a piece of cake. The second day - whole different story - bad diarrhea accompanied by cold sweats, weakness, and a feeling of "pins and needles" all over my body sent me back to bed for about 5 hours. Still feel week and have the diarrhea on day two.
This is why I've put off getting my booster...I'm pregnant and already miserable. Going to isolate for the next couple of months until I'm not throwing up everything I eat ✌️ I hope you feel better!
i’m sorry for your pretty unpleasant experience! you should be back to normal in a day or so once your immune response tapers
Sounds like you made a fucky wucky
@@Alias-ei7ko why?
Oh gosh how are you now?
I always forget that the rest of the world calls it Pfizer while in Germany, we call it Biontech. 😅
bro what??? biontech sounds vastly cooler than pfizer, im jealous
Makes sense as Pfizer is US based and Biontech is German. They developed the vaccine together so it makes sense.
Sure, you can mix with an aspiring and it will work too
Boosters: laughs in Indian.
I am confused, why do we need boosters,when even after getting the booster we can get Omikron? Nobody is dying of Omikron and booster is not stopping Omikron from spreading ,then why do we need a booster against Omikron? Please explain?
Nothing makes sense anymore and pretty soon speaking and questioning will be a serious crime.
Why do you ask so many questions? Just take your shots and don't be a racist!
Alright kids, who wants to buy some time?
This completely misses the point. It should be an informed choice not an uninformed mandate! Also no discussion why it’s also being forced on the naturally immune???
Omicron hasn't be as bad as the video makes it sound and this is based on the latest data and CDC statements.
*Bro nothing has been as bad besides the shots*
Says you, it’s quickly becoming dominant here in canada. It’s still only a problem for the unvaccinated portion of our population like children.
Sweden have a very high vaccine rate but still have some of the biggest COVID cases.
@@cat062 Just a reminder that vaccination is meant to protect against COVID-19 hospitalization (life threatening symptoms). Not catching COVID is another matter: limiting person-person contacts and proper health measures that you've heard all this time.
@@omfgmedic69 The way COVID was approached was terrible.
Dear Vox, quick question. Do you receive any sponsorship or donations from pharmaceuticals selling vaccines?
The entirety of CNN is funded by pfizer. I'm sure Vox is much the same
@@Lawlzinator what you said is literally not true, if you’re gonna slander something at least fact check it 😂😂😂😂
@@Lawlzinator if CNN is funded by Pfizer, then why are they also promoting moderna?
Stop with this evil.
Update to the latest version in order to be compliant and fully protected -- I've heard of this before -- it's called Microsoft Windows.