I love what my astronomy professor said. "Its not aliens until it is" basically meaning, Once every other explanation has been exhausted then its aliens
The recipe for mitigating confirmation bias is basically to take your preferred theory and either try to disprove it or to investigate different theories than what you think is happening. What your professor describes is basically a version of that highly tailored toward aliens (since generally folks who go to the aliens explanation are hoping that it's aliens).
Noo thats a good way to lose all funding for research....people like me would never donate to an alien research fund. I would however donate to a study of new planetary phenomenon
I was curious to hear what NDT had to say about this, and I totally agree. It’s more exciting to speculate about alien life, but that shouldn’t come at the expense of thoughtful, patient analysis.
@@fred_2021yk, I used to always wonder why they’d steal the socks… but maybe they’re just cloning us 🤔 Horrible decision, cloning only the males of this species, couldn’t even imagine a worse idea 🤣💀
And we know those aliens have a sense of humor, because they always bring the keys back and put them in a place that we know was not where we left them! Worse than having that extra ornery sibling.
Good point, but if they have that level of technology it’s likely they would have destroyed us already if that was their intention. As they would have detected us long before we detected them.
Well for both sides i can say only this: stop saying scientists said something they did not. The study never claimed to have found Dyson spheres, they only said their goal was to look for them, as the Gaia telescope already gathered the needed preliminary data. They never said they found Dyson spheres, only candidates. They also said a follow-up study is needed to figure out what they found. And what they found, alien or not, is already interesting as it is likely a new natural phenomena (or possible aliens which is also exciting, but probably not)
the thing i like to think is that if we've at least come up with the concept this early in our civilization's potential history, surely some others out there have already had the same thought
the problem i've always had with a Dyson Sphere is... where are the materials gonna come from to build it? ☀️ the sphere only needs to cover the surface area of the Sun... ☀️ if we could build a sphere around the Sun that completely covers it's surface area... and is 1 km thick... then the Dyson Sphere would have a volume of about 6 trillion cubic kilometers... you would need about 6 whole planet Earth's to build that... so where is all that material gonna come from? maybe the sphere would be made to only partially cover to Sun's area... or maybe there's enough asteroids that could be lumped together... 👽 is it possible that aliens already solved this problem? ... maybe...
Alien life among the stars I would say - *absolutely* - given what we estimate the numbers could be for galaxies. The estimate is based off observable right? What I think is absolutely clear is that there are no signs of deep space travel or colonization for any galaxies billions of years older. IMO that means it *ain’t possible* to travel vast distances no matter what we think. I do believe we need to continue to advance our ability to see into deep space because the discoveries are very exciting albeit can’t go there.
Regardless of what they say it may be, those things that we assume may be aliens are still interesting and should still be looked at. If it's not aliens, then maybe we learn something new. If it is, then cool, we just found aliens.
Wise. I hear people discussing this frequently in my social circle. Far too many people immediately take the woo-woo, "god of the gaps" route when atypical observations are made, instead of reserving judgement until all of the information is provided. They do the same thing with Fermi....quiet doesn't mean that there are others trying to be quiet. As the wise android Kryten once said "It's quiet...and do you know why that is? Because there are no sounds to hear.". 😉
How can Addyson sphere remain away from the sun it surrounds. AFAICT as soon as the sphere is no longer in alignment with the sphere, the part even slightly closer will be attracted further out of alignment.
The concept is nonsense. I find it hard to believe it's not just a silly joke. If a people could muster the insane amount of materials and energy they'd need to build the things they wouldn't need them
@@markg7030 No, it just gets lost in space :) There are good explanations to be found as to how light doesn't lose energy over great distance, taking account of radial dispersal of the photon from their source, and 'stretching' of wavelength by expanding space. A prime example is the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation. That was visible light about 13.4 billion years ago, with a wavelength of perhaps 400 nanometers (violet light). It now has a wavelength of about 1mm, i.e. 2,500 times longer. It still has the energy, but it's spread out over tremendously expanded space. By all means check it out from reliable sources, as I'm still in the dark about much of this (!).
I am beginning to wonder if any of the old Palomar data would also shed light on this phenomena? Palomar has been taking photographs of stars for over 70 years.
Where's the line where you ask if this unusual thing is something that you don't bother looking for until all other possibilities are eliminated, and now I'll include that possibility?
There's also a peer reviewed paper including an ai generated rat with giant junk . But yeah it's annoying how everyone jumps to aliens . Very frustrating.. cuz a million people will share it on Facebook and tiktok and say "alien planets with full cities discovered"
Space aliens is actually an industry in itself. With the tv, books, movies etc it is a profitable industry. And it is a lot of fun. But that is all it is.
Dyson Sphere is an intriguing concept, but maybe before these scientists think that other civilizations in far away solar system have it, they should consider first if it is possible to create a Dyson Sphere, which will need to have materials going around the sun’s whole circumference many times over. Where would a civilization get those materials to cover almost the whole sun? Let’s take our own solar system for example, even if we slice the whole earth, peeling it like a potato up to the center, producing a 10-feet thick earth peelings (Of course, this is impossible since earth is not all solid, but let’s imagine it is, for the sake of this point), we can only produce a material barely more than 78,000 miles long. Our sun’s circumference is 2.7+ million miles. So the whole earth can only cover less than 2.9% of the sun’s circumference. Even if we peel all the 8 planets in our solar system and combine them, we will only produce less than 250,000 miles long of material - that’s only about 9.2% of the sun’s circumference. Safe to say that even if we use the resources of the whole solar system, we can’t create enough material to go around the sun’s circumference (and if we do this, there will be no more solar system - just a sun and a 9% Dyson Sphere). By the way, the sun is the 99.8% of our whole solar system. One may argue that we can get the materials from outside our solar system, which could be a good idea, BUT… if we can already do interplanetary travel beyond our solar system, pickup objects from outside our solar system and bring it back to our sun, then it means that we already have discovered an unlimited source of energy, so there’s no need to create a Dyson Sphere anymore. 😊 This is like the idea of terraforming Mars… why would you spend time and effort terraforming a dead planet, when you already have a living planet that is dying??? Wouldn’t it be a lot easier to keep a dying planet alive, than to resurrect a dead one? If we can have the technology and energy to terraform a dead planet, we can definitely use those to keep earth alive, right?
@@fred_2021 Like I said, if we can get meterials from somewhere, like the oorth cloud, then get it back to the sun, multiple times over, it probably means we already discovered an infinite energy source. So what's the point of building a Dyson Sphere when you already have infinite energy?
That's a reasonable question, but notions about the needs, desires, and capabilities of a hypothetical super-civilization, living in the remote future, can only be wildly speculative. As Niels Bohr amusingly said: “Prediction is very difficult, especially if it’s about the future!” :)
@@Whelzkiwtf are you talking about we? Not WE. We are a the simplest form of life. Dumb. We are barely a level 1 civilization. We can’t even harness weather. Harnessing “stars”, not planets or suns would be considerably easier to a civilization that views us like ants in a jar.
Dyson sphere doesn't make sense to make cost too much resources and why couldn't they just make their own small sun the size of a bus and use that as energy
You know what produces abundant clean energy without the monumental hassle and cost of building a Dyson sphere? Nuclear fusion, and we already have the technology. I'm sure an alien civilisation would have the common sense to realise this too, hopefully without the mass hysteria created by avoidable blunders like Chernobyl that restricts the beneficial use of it in our world.
Whenever we thought something was god or something extraterrestrial in the past, it always turned out to be something explainable, yet we (most people) still always make the same mistake. It's almost comical.
@tressonkaru7410 there is likely life somewhere, there are simply too many planets and solar systems more stable than our own. Whether or not there are any species that evolved enough to create advanced technology, but haven't killed themselves over race or religion first is up for debate.
Indeed, when I look at the stars, I can see the red and blue ones... These may be satellites. Stars or actual stars that phase in and out orbiting their own gravitational "centers" coming towards the eyes they appear red going away they appear a more bluish color. These are not the satellites that move across the sky but the static objects. I know that there are static satellites. I do not know their actual location because I am not that interested in the particulars. It is mundane to me ATM. I am more concerned about Beetlejuice and our sun. The more risky of possibilities for the future of earth.
to say we discovered Dyson spheres would to say we discovered the world we didn't discover them we thought of them we haven't invented them yet to have them be discovered we didn't discover the world we was born into it formed from GOD
I just dont fully understand, if you have the ability to create a Dyson Sphere.......what can't you realistically do? What is the need? Maybe I'm thinking too small.
the idea is you build the dyson sphere SO you can do the cool stuff. an advanced alien civilization with technology far superior than ours would, by extension, require a large amount of energy to draw from for that technology. in a universe where the energy is finite, the best source you can get is your home star. so the line of thinking is, if there ARE alien civilizations, they might be using their home star to power their way of life. emphasis on 'might'. how might we find one, if thats the case? by observing the heat low heat energy thats emitted from using that energy. but we also dont have a way to tell if its a dyson sphere, or just gas being burnt in the atmosphere. so probably not aliens, but cool nonetheless.
If that light do not do the aliens who done? Do you believe that can exist some GOD in the UNIVERS ,or in the UNIVERS exist just aliens and humane peoples, we?
I love what my astronomy professor said. "Its not aliens until it is" basically meaning, Once every other explanation has been exhausted then its aliens
The recipe for mitigating confirmation bias is basically to take your preferred theory and either try to disprove it or to investigate different theories than what you think is happening. What your professor describes is basically a version of that highly tailored toward aliens (since generally folks who go to the aliens explanation are hoping that it's aliens).
No aliens, party’s over, back to work in the morning.
That's what he does. Plays Disney scientists to adults.
😂
and if there are aliens, party's over, back to work in the morning.
Tfw dyson spheres are “found” for the 80th time this year
Aww man
They like to say "God of the Gaps", but now I can say "Aliens of the gaps"
No. see, guessing aliens FIRST is how you get initial funding.
Noo thats a good way to lose all funding for research....people like me would never donate to an alien research fund.
I would however donate to a study of new planetary phenomenon
@@d3athreaper100u need state funded science, not individual donations.
I wonder if there is life on that planet called Earth that I can see over there. LoL
I was curious to hear what NDT had to say about this, and I totally agree. It’s more exciting to speculate about alien life, but that shouldn’t come at the expense of thoughtful, patient analysis.
It's clearly not alien life... can y'all conspiracy theorists just stop?🤦♂️
Aliens is only my first guess when my keys disappear and their no where to be found.
😂🤣
Somewhere there's the alien who abducted my other sock and is trying to communicate with it.
@@fred_2021yk, I used to always wonder why they’d steal the socks… but maybe they’re just cloning us 🤔
Horrible decision, cloning only the males of this species, couldn’t even imagine a worse idea 🤣💀
And we know those aliens have a sense of humor, because they always bring the keys back and put them in a place that we know was not where we left them! Worse than having that extra ornery sibling.
And you better hope there’s no aliens out there harnessing the power of an entire star…
Good point, but if they have that level of technology it’s likely they would have destroyed us already if that was their intention. As they would have detected us long before we detected them.
Because if it were that simple we would’ve found them a long time ago. Conversely, who’s to say we didn’t
Exactly. In all those uncountable amounts of data, we might have captured a mega structure already. But we just don't know that its artificial.
people and governments have fully interacted with UFOs. some get sick others are healed.
A Dyson's sphere isn't super high tech. A small array of mirrors are enough to double the solar input to, say, Mars or Titan.
Doesn't mean they didn't do it. It's just observing one data point. Time to think of new corresponding points for or against the original idea.
There is no easy way to confirm if we’ve spotted a Dyson sphere, until we find another explanation for the data it will always be a possible answer.
Well for both sides i can say only this: stop saying scientists said something they did not.
The study never claimed to have found Dyson spheres, they only said their goal was to look for them, as the Gaia telescope already gathered the needed preliminary data. They never said they found Dyson spheres, only candidates. They also said a follow-up study is needed to figure out what they found. And what they found, alien or not, is already interesting as it is likely a new natural phenomena (or possible aliens which is also exciting, but probably not)
The universe will always be more complex then any living organism will ever realizes
I’m pretty sure we’re still gonna find a Dyson sphere eventually
the thing i like to think is that if we've at least come up with the concept this early in our civilization's potential history, surely some others out there have already had the same thought
maybe, its just that it might take another 100.000 years for the light to reach us.
if they could build Dyson spheres, they wouldn't need to
the problem i've always had with a Dyson Sphere is... where are the materials gonna come from to build it?
☀️ the sphere only needs to cover the surface area of the Sun...
☀️ if we could build a sphere around the Sun that completely covers it's surface area... and is 1 km thick... then the Dyson Sphere would have a volume of about 6 trillion cubic kilometers...
you would need about 6 whole planet Earth's to build that... so where is all that material gonna come from?
maybe the sphere would be made to only partially cover to Sun's area... or maybe there's enough asteroids that could be lumped together...
👽 is it possible that aliens already solved this problem? ... maybe...
Aliens? = Schrödinger's cat in a sphere🤣 🌐👾
Alien life among the stars I would say - *absolutely* - given what we estimate the numbers could be for galaxies. The estimate is based off observable right? What I think is absolutely clear is that there are no signs of deep space travel or colonization for any galaxies billions of years older. IMO that means it *ain’t possible* to travel vast distances no matter what we think. I do believe we need to continue to advance our ability to see into deep space because the discoveries are very exciting albeit can’t go there.
it's never aliens, until it is
I’m not saying it was aliens…but it was aliens! 👾
Regardless of what they say it may be, those things that we assume may be aliens are still interesting and should still be looked at. If it's not aliens, then maybe we learn something new. If it is, then cool, we just found aliens.
Wise. I hear people discussing this frequently in my social circle. Far too many people immediately take the woo-woo, "god of the gaps" route when atypical observations are made, instead of reserving judgement until all of the information is provided. They do the same thing with Fermi....quiet doesn't mean that there are others trying to be quiet. As the wise android Kryten once said "It's quiet...and do you know why that is? Because there are no sounds to hear.". 😉
The study, for anyone curious, was conducted by Dr. Fox Mulder of UCLA's Having Too Much Time & Money division of their Astrology department
I have a Dyson at home.
Tyson Sphere right there in the video.
That was absolutely beautiful! ❤
They used to say God of the gaps, but now I say aliens of the Gaps.
You smoke to much of that weed my friend, aliens are a statistical impossibility - any scientist worth their grain in salt will ever tell you that.
Imagine making a small miniature version not using a star but electricity kind of like catching lightning in a bottle
maybe a circular ball with a two-way mirror on the inside of the ball but clear on the outside with a heat sink and a Led light hooked to a battery
maybe a thermoelectric generator TEG instead of the heat sink
I don't know about a Dyson Sphere, but I can see a Tyson Sphere.
To quote Matt from PBS Spacetime, "it's never aliens". 😛
Got it.... so aliens?!?
In an endless universe, with endless probability, I usually rule everything else out before I go to the Alien conclusion.
How can Addyson sphere remain away from the sun it surrounds. AFAICT as soon as the sphere is no longer in alignment with the sphere, the part even slightly closer will be attracted further out of alignment.
The concept is nonsense. I find it hard to believe it's not just a silly joke. If a people could muster the insane amount of materials and energy they'd need to build the things they wouldn't need them
Thank you
What is the guestion?? Thay is the right answer😂
The Aliens had written the peer review article! Aliens! Yes aliens...and there here!😮
How about light only traveling so far? Can you speak on this?
Very good question! Does light run out of energy in great distances?
@@markg7030 No, it just gets lost in space :) There are good explanations to be found as to how light doesn't lose energy over great distance, taking account of radial dispersal of the photon from their source, and 'stretching' of wavelength by expanding space. A prime example is the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation. That was visible light about 13.4 billion years ago, with a wavelength of perhaps 400 nanometers (violet light). It now has a wavelength of about 1mm, i.e. 2,500 times longer. It still has the energy, but it's spread out over tremendously expanded space. By all means check it out from reliable sources, as I'm still in the dark about much of this (!).
I’ll get back to this 😂
I am beginning to wonder if any of the old Palomar data would also shed light on this phenomena? Palomar has been taking photographs of stars for over 70 years.
Where's the line where you ask if this unusual thing is something that you don't bother looking for until all other possibilities are eliminated, and now I'll include that possibility?
I wanna know what other civilizations look like so bad!!
I wonder what different aliens look like around the universe
🎶"If we only knew.."🎶
There's also a peer reviewed paper including an ai generated rat with giant junk .
But yeah it's annoying how everyone jumps to aliens . Very frustrating.. cuz a million people will share it on Facebook and tiktok and say "alien planets with full cities discovered"
Can’t we use the edge of a black hole as a super lense to see further
Space aliens is actually an industry in itself. With the tv, books, movies etc it is a profitable industry. And it is a lot of fun. But that is all it is.
If I see ANY data that doesn't make sense to my albiet very limited mind I instantly assume aliens did it. Kennedy? Aliens
We keep putting up satellites we will eventually make a Dyson sphear
Neil is so against aliens he'll mention it in every interview 😂
presumably this paper was published at the beginning of April?
Dyson Sphere is an intriguing concept, but maybe before these scientists think that other civilizations in far away solar system have it, they should consider first if it is possible to create a Dyson Sphere, which will need to have materials going around the sun’s whole circumference many times over. Where would a civilization get those materials to cover almost the whole sun?
Let’s take our own solar system for example, even if we slice the whole earth, peeling it like a potato up to the center, producing a 10-feet thick earth peelings (Of course, this is impossible since earth is not all solid, but let’s imagine it is, for the sake of this point), we can only produce a material barely more than 78,000 miles long. Our sun’s circumference is 2.7+ million miles. So the whole earth can only cover less than 2.9% of the sun’s circumference. Even if we peel all the 8 planets in our solar system and combine them, we will only produce less than 250,000 miles long of material - that’s only about 9.2% of the sun’s circumference. Safe to say that even if we use the resources of the whole solar system, we can’t create enough material to go around the sun’s circumference (and if we do this, there will be no more solar system - just a sun and a 9% Dyson Sphere). By the way, the sun is the 99.8% of our whole solar system.
One may argue that we can get the materials from outside our solar system, which could be a good idea, BUT… if we can already do interplanetary travel beyond our solar system, pickup objects from outside our solar system and bring it back to our sun, then it means that we already have discovered an unlimited source of energy, so there’s no need to create a Dyson Sphere anymore. 😊
This is like the idea of terraforming Mars… why would you spend time and effort terraforming a dead planet, when you already have a living planet that is dying??? Wouldn’t it be a lot easier to keep a dying planet alive, than to resurrect a dead one? If we can have the technology and energy to terraform a dead planet, we can definitely use those to keep earth alive, right?
Materials? How about the Oort cloud? That probably extends a couple of light years, and I bet no one has the title deeds to it yet.
@@fred_2021 Like I said, if we can get meterials from somewhere, like the oorth cloud, then get it back to the sun, multiple times over, it probably means we already discovered an infinite energy source. So what's the point of building a Dyson Sphere when you already have infinite energy?
That's a reasonable question, but notions about the needs, desires, and capabilities of a hypothetical super-civilization, living in the remote future, can only be wildly speculative. As Niels Bohr amusingly said: “Prediction is very difficult, especially if it’s about the future!” :)
@@Whelzkiwtf are you talking about we? Not WE. We are a the simplest form of life. Dumb. We are barely a level 1 civilization. We can’t even harness weather. Harnessing “stars”, not planets or suns would be considerably easier to a civilization that views us like ants in a jar.
@@fred_2021it’s not reasonable at all it’s an elementary question.
No the guy who made the Dyson hoovers did hence the name, ever wondered why its called the 'Vacuum' of space. Thank me later
Dyson sphere doesn't make sense to make cost too much resources and why couldn't they just make their own small sun the size of a bus and use that as energy
Yes Neil DeGrasse, let’s keep searching the deep mysteries and physical phenomena that make up our universe and not the ridiculousness of aliens.
You know what produces abundant clean energy without the monumental hassle and cost of building a Dyson sphere? Nuclear fusion, and we already have the technology. I'm sure an alien civilisation would have the common sense to realise this too, hopefully without the mass hysteria created by avoidable blunders like Chernobyl that restricts the beneficial use of it in our world.
Whenever we thought something was god or something extraterrestrial in the past, it always turned out to be something explainable, yet we (most people) still always make the same mistake. It's almost comical.
I don’t understand most of what Neil says. He’s clearly an alien
He woke asf as well
If it is aliens we’re cooked 😂
Occam's razor...😊
Doesn't necessarily mean it aliens. Ancient humans could have dipped during the great flood and ended up somewhere else. 😂
If it's a dyson it will suck...badly.
Dyson sphere's are one of the most ridiculous concepts I've heard for a long time!
First Pluto now Aliens come on Neil.
I mean, imo, I've come to accept that the universe is dead. We on earth was just the lucky one to get life.
@tressonkaru7410 there is likely life somewhere, there are simply too many planets and solar systems more stable than our own.
Whether or not there are any species that evolved enough to create advanced technology, but haven't killed themselves over race or religion first is up for debate.
Im not hearing a no and that's good enough for me
Indeed, when I look at the stars, I can see the red and blue ones... These may be satellites. Stars or actual stars that phase in and out orbiting their own gravitational "centers" coming towards the eyes they appear red going away they appear a more bluish color.
These are not the satellites that move across the sky but the static objects. I know that there are static satellites. I do not know their actual location because I am not that interested in the particulars. It is mundane to me ATM.
I am more concerned about Beetlejuice and our sun. The more risky of possibilities for the future of earth.
Terrace thinks different for sure
Michael Eric Dyson spheres.
naturally occuring dyson spheres?
I'm so glad he's not going alone with peoples insanity
My first guess/thought were quasars...... why not?
I would have thought a very very advanced civilisation would use hardly any energy , but be abled to do very very powerful things all the same ! !
Mhmm. How?
It shouldn’t be scientist first guess, but theres nothing wrong if its their last guess.
I mean theoretically aliens could have created something thought of by a human. The question for me though is, why?
Maybe someone here can answer that. They seem to know all the answers to everything else.
Someone or something made the universe/multiverse... What you think it just magically appeared out of no where 😂😂😂
Why is Tyson so against admitting the possibility of aliens building something like a Dyson sphere?
They are angels not “Dyson Spheres”.
so its probably NOT a Dyson Sphere? Occam's threshing machine not needed! 😂
You sir, are a beam of light on this recent trend of pseudoscience zombies 🙌🏻 shine on! @neildegrassetyson @startalk
Obviously its Santa or jesus.
It’s demons or angels if anything
Not knowing means! Not knowing? Could be alien citizentions 👽 ? Who knows 🤷♂️
Sorry guys, no aliens coming to to distract the world from its problems, gonna have to work those out ourselves.
It looks like a biblical accurate angels the the one with eye with wheels and eyes
I wish but probably not
You need to put consciousness outside your skull first.
Of course, he wants to put aliens or other intelligent life, last on the list of possibilities
L.I.G.O. I see an understand this yet it also is a view in progress. 🌌
Dyson spheres dont make any sense. Maybe dyson rings, but a sphere?
to say we discovered Dyson spheres would to say we discovered the world we didn't discover them we thought of them we haven't invented them yet to have them be discovered we didn't discover the world we was born into it formed from GOD
Well josh420gaming. I must say, that was some solid science. You were really cooking there.
I just dont fully understand, if you have the ability to create a Dyson Sphere.......what can't you realistically do? What is the need? Maybe I'm thinking too small.
the idea is you build the dyson sphere SO you can do the cool stuff. an advanced alien civilization with technology far superior than ours would, by extension, require a large amount of energy to draw from for that technology. in a universe where the energy is finite, the best source you can get is your home star. so the line of thinking is, if there ARE alien civilizations, they might be using their home star to power their way of life. emphasis on 'might'. how might we find one, if thats the case? by observing the heat low heat energy thats emitted from using that energy. but we also dont have a way to tell if its a dyson sphere, or just gas being burnt in the atmosphere. so probably not aliens, but cool nonetheless.
Here we go, incredulity gives us alien of the gaps.. 😂 get em tyson...
But what if that's what they WANT you to believe . . . . . I'm on to you, NDT . . .I AM ON TO YOU !! 😂
You are assuming humans know everything
Might be robots humanoids
If that light do not do the aliens who done?
Do you believe that can exist some GOD in the UNIVERS ,or in the UNIVERS exist just aliens and humane peoples, we?
I wonder what "percentage" of which "genders" he was "feeling" when he said this?
7 stars here 7 stars there in the Bible and also the pattern of it soooo he’s coming
If God was from heaven was he extraterra?
Yeah let's not go nutz
Neil is ovs just paid off by Big Alien to say that 😂😂😂
Mythologist dont like questions to be ask .
Biblical angel
So does that journal lose a little credibility for publishing a paper that essentially does posit “maybe aliens did it”?