The first time I ever saw Brand on screen, I could see he was there as an icon of modern, egotistical decadence...the media culture that sponsored and promoted him, can't now pretend to be shocked by the depravity which so thrilled them from the outset.
"The media culture"...? How about the public? He was massively popular, a national star. It was an entirely collective adulation. So it's not just a matter of cynical promotion of an undeserving subject by an unscrupulous, complicit media.
This guy perpetuated the laddish culture of the time. I really dont have much respect or time for tabloid reporters, expecially from that period. Bob Woodward he aint.
I've never thought Brand displayed a clear ideology to be honest. Most of the stuff he spat out appeared to be grand standing without any real conviction.
….once an addict always an addict. Brand may have given up various previous addictions but then found a new way to satisfy his cravings and stay relevant.
@@cspace1234nzhe was never an Addict, it's all been an act Jordan Peterson does the same thing So does Tate And Crowder And Walsh Trump, Boris They all use the same techniques taught in Scientology The right wing has weaponised Cults
With the best will in the world, claiming you were “blinded by lad’s culture” is a poor excuse. From the start, many said that lad’s culture was materialistic, sensationalist and self-destructive. It isn’t at all surprising that it ended in misogyny. Grown men should have known better.
Maybe This lad wasn't a fully grown up or rounded person at the time. It seems quite a luxury to be conveniently distancing himself from that now he's in his 40s. I can't really trust him.
@@starmersbarber I thought the same thing. There's something about the readiness with which he sold his little bottom to Murdoch that gives me pause and the fact he speaks highly of people who made the same transaction feels curious. His inexplicably swift conversion since leaving feels a lot like another persona that he's sold himself - one minute he's a Lad, the next minute, a Thoughtful New Dad. None of it is credible.
They're all doing it There's a direct link between Scientology Trump and the techniques used by these right wing grifters, who also tie to NXIVM (Elon promoted it) Epstein (Trumps best friend for twenty years) and Saville (friends of the Queen whom Peterson and Piers defend) They're also all Catholic, many are Opus Dei Scientology is training these people in the tactics of brainwashing I've been researching this for years but couldn't find the school Scientology is the School It's what MK Ultra became It's probably run by the CIA, and Opus Dei, which is basically the same thing. They're all Catholics
Russell Brand could have slept with any groupie he wanted to, women, through themselves at him. The establishment wants to cancel Russell Brand just as they did to Tucker Carlson, and the reason they're going after Musk, Rogan, and trying to bankrupt Trump.
This guy is an enabler and he is using the same excuses, someone inheriting slaves used. It's not my fault that the culture I lived in was bad, even while I was the MAIN reason it continued to be bad.
Gordon Smart claims he was "brought up to know right from wrong"...and YET, he jumped into this world of gossip, tabloid lies, drunkeness and I am sure drugs(although he doesn't mention that at all), and only now, questions it all. The fact is, that he and so many others, were intoxicated with fame, and mostly intoxicated with making MONEY and being closely aligned with the power that money and fame bring to people like the untalented Russell Brand, who wasn't funny a second in his sorry life. It shouldn't take a Ph.D. in neuroscience to see through Brand instantly. But hanging out with celebs with power and cash trumps ethics. I don't beleive Smart didn't hear about the appalling behavior against women that Brand is now finally being called out about. And btw, even some "lads" in their twenties have ethics and know full well not to participate in toxic male behavior or drunkeness, drugs and violence against women.
Totally agree with your assessment. Also, to add to that, it is infuriating when 15 years later people can turn around and say "oh but I cannot turn the clock back" - it's true, they cannot turn the clock back, so why do we wait until its too late to hold people to account?
I could not endure the whole interview. The bloke isn’t a serial killer. Many politicians have done much more harm. So we could easily forgive his missteps- if he bothered to ask. But the constant excuses were driving me up the wall. 12:53 Every child knows salacious gossip is wrong; that cruelty is wrong; that it’s more important to have self-respect than ambition; and it should not take much of a man to know that prurience is wrong. So, you don’t work for a rag. You don’t make a profit from misery. Just say: “Ambition got the better of me, I know better now, and I’m sorry.” It wasn’t like tabloid journalism and starvation were the only two options on the table.
He comes across as trying to do some damage limitation of any potential reputational questions that will come up due to his closeness to Brand for a span of time.
This was a great listen! A lot of very successful people are narcissists and have psychopathic traits. Well done for saying it! I am a bit chocked by the idealization of an individual like this and the aggressive attacks on the women. Like, how dare people assume… I don’t get it. It brings to mind the group think in a sect or cult…
Great interview! Because the news agents has a more relaxed, conversational style I almost forgot what an awesome world class interviewer Maitlis is! You could almost see the wheels turning in her head as she was listening, particularly when he was talking about Murdoch, so she could determine the wider implications of what the guest was saying and quickly formulate direct follow up questions. I hope the podcast develops more opportunities for her to do what she is great at....being a quick witted, dogged journalist!
He talks like he had never previously heard of the The Sun before working there & continuing too do so. I grew up then as well, but some of us had morals & where brought up to know what being a decent person is. Sorry no excuses. That person was you & still is, just with a sense of self awareness.
This seems an account by this guy Smart of a far from noble mindset through his important formative years. In my early 20s, I already understood that the likes of the Sun was a total rag, yet he lived and breathed it in his early 20s. He now carries a very dodgy legacy and he'll have to work very hard to earn proper trust.
This was SO interesting…and in amongst a sea of bizarre and troubling coverage of this very serious story regarding Brand and the wider implications, I seriously appreciated it and wish everyone could watch it. Thank you to Gordon Smart for his honesty and insight into his fascinating career and thank you once again News Agents x Ps: I didn’t want it to end!
Adding to that online fury were widespread anecdotes of social media users being swarmed by Depp fans on Twitter if they spoke critically of the actor or even just sympathetically towards Heard. While the overwhelming theory is that Depp’s team employed the use of fake accounts in Russia (a.k.a. “bots”) to boost support for the actor on social media, a new study reportedly suggests that’s not entirely the case. According to Bot Sentinel, yes, an “organized campaign of widespread targeted harassment,” but there were actual people behind the attacks. According to the full report, which you can read here, the harassment campaign was described as “one of the worst cases of cyberbullying and cyberstalking by a group of Twitter accounts that we’ve ever seen.” Bot Sentinel also concluded that Twitter failed to act accordingly to protect users. “It’s our opinion Twitter didn’t do enough to mitigate the platform manipulation and did very little to stop the abuse and targeted harassment,” the report stated. “Twitter essentially left the women to fend for themselves with little to no support from the platform.” (Via CBS News) Hes a big fish, Saville level, that's why Musk, Peterson, Walsh and co are rushing to protect him. Remember Epstein worked for Trump
Question: do you feel burning shame for being a tool of Murdock who’s been responsible for so much harm in British, American and Australian culture and politics? Brand is small potatoes compared to monster Murdock.
I'm tuned into this with interest. To be honest, I don't trust this guy, given his 'formative adult years being immersed in a far from noble culture (and working for rags of newspapers). He has the relative luxury of being articulate enough (on the surface) to distance himself from the culture now....but HE was right there, living and breathing a very mucky scene.
The quality of the interviewing on your show is off the scale.Truly outstanding questioning at a forensic level that is a rare on our main news channels today.Well done “ world class””
Funny how Murdoch claims he doesn't get involved in his papers yet here we see someone claiming Murdoch was hands-on during the Scottish independence referendum.
@esinach listen again, it's scattered all across this video if you want to see it. Your response tells me you wish for something else though because its so blatant, and I am guessing you're refusing to see it for some reason and suggesting i grasp at 'anything now'.
@@crazytrain7721 Nope. Im not as easy to jump into condemning someone for one interview. He obviously does have some regrets and things from that time - he even said it. But never did I hear anything about throwing him under the bus. It seems to me he believes the allegations. if that is throwing him under the bus. Then what is so wrong with that? If that's what he believes? I thought it sounded like he was still struggling coming to terms with it tbh. Him mentioning some of Brands qualities it seemed like he appreciated, like Brand wanting him to quit drinking etc. I don't think the only outcome of this interview is just thinking he's thrown him under the bus. He obviously will know more than a lot of us. And if he wanted to throw him under the bus, Im pretty sure he couldve said even more damning things than he did.
It's quite a clubby interview, as illustrated by the revolving door from which Gordon Smart worked at the Sun and now the BBC. And why does he keep calling people who work for the Sun "journalists"? You're a journalist, or you work for Sun. You can't be both at the same time.
Courtney Love has publicly said she rejected Brands advances (apparently they are friends still) but also went on the record about a fling with Steve Coogan, what are the details that he does not want to say??
"the loopholes you have to jump through". A very revealing phrase in an unconvincing effort to justify working at the heart of Murdoch's empire and the culture it engendered, elevated and fed off
I liked how most of the episode established that the media (in its various forms) has more power than politicians now. Then they asked Gordon whether it was the case and he claimed not.
Were it not for our celebrity obsessed culture, including the culpability of journalists past and present, Brand would have been just another know-all gobshite, the sort found in every town/pub and avoided, with a groan, by those who know him.
He just seems (fake) to protect him self and his image / say all the right things( but worked at the sun for that long and didn’t understand the papers agenda or position in society)…. And deflect anything negative from his past roles.. Fake False and shady. Russel brands behaviour was created through people and institutions that this guy worked for and stood for! This guy would have loved mixing and hanging out with Russel for sure. Shame he didn’t speak truth but guess he’s protecting him self but still shady stay out of it if u don’t want look bad.
Saying " i m a well educated, well mannered, ethical guy "....self proclaimed is always suspicious...he was there. Now he talks, using the airtime to say how well educated he himself is...weird..like Russell he speaks in this polished way but not 1 % of Russell s charisma...jalous ?? He was right then right there
This guy reminds me of Brand in a way- he was embroilled in unethical behaviour, now he's a family man 'repents' and has come out the otherside- now he is being unethical in another way. Brand may well be a thoroughly unpleasant human being, but we have to maintain innocent until proven guilty, we can't have a world where anonymous accusations are enough to inflict punishment on someone, demonetising them etc. Freedom of speech is crumblng and people will use situations like this to push through laws that will diminish it even further.
I believe the Times/Channel 4 or whoever planned this takedown have much more up their sleeve than they're making out...They're just waiting untill it goes to court then they'll pull all the aces out..They reckon they've spent 4 years investigating this and they probably have a truckload of accusers queuing up for a court day...
@Dimple_5 I dont think thats true- i think people are also defending the principle of innocent till proven guilty- such as Peter Hitchens- who in no way can be considered a fan of Brand! I don't think we have seen much evidence of Brand being a criminal yet- just being a degenerate. What evidence have you seen so far? There has to be a proper process. How can the Times be 100% sure? Are newspapers really so reliable? You're going on the word of a weak minded, immoral ex editor of the Sun?
This interview confirms you should leave it to the courts...especially colleagues and friends should shut up until then. Very disrespectful towards a colleague you all were close to and apparently loved to be around him
Newsflash. Culture changes. It develops over time and what is socially acceptable adapts and morphs. It’s the reason why your grandparents will say something and you have to correct them and say you can’t say that anymore. It’s the reason your parents are constantly two years behind with slang. The only difference is that now, because of the internet everything is forever, and people are being held accountable decades later for something that they have evolved and grown from. All of us are guilty of of it in some fashion. We might have used to joke about things we don’t joke about anymore, dress a certain way that would now be laughable, engage in behaviour that we look back at and wince. Now this isn’t to say that serious criminal allegations shouldn’t be investigated due to the time they were in, of course they should, but there needs to be an acknowledgment that certain things were a product of their time and when it was happening it was socially accepted. We learn we grow.
This is ridiculously irresponsible, RB was accused, if we talk as if he is convicted the legal process ceases to have any meaning. This conversation alone is enough to enable RB lawyers to argue for the case to be dropped. What are you doing? Is this just entertainment??
If it does go to court, it will most likely be for accusations not mentioned in the original documentary/story, thats what I think happened with Harvey Weinstein,
Murdoch makes people like Trump and cancels them at his convenience....fox news one of the many creations costing him billions for creating narratives with global impact, putting people in place who are pure mobsters...how can anyone want to work for Murdoch. Worse ,who wants to work in the tabloid world...strange ambition.
Oh come on...this is very very gossipy talk...what else to expect..these " journalists " 😂😂..throwing each other under the bus..what else is new if you work in a sleezy business
Why legitimise a person like this? Sorry, I can't call anyone who's worked at the Sun a 'journalist'. This pod is sinking into relativism. So disappointing.
it's easy to say in hindsight you should have said something but these guys were in their 20s and millionaires in the '90s which was a debaucherous decade, not justifying anything that brand may be accused of but you don't have Noel Gallagher and Matt Morgan trying to salvage their image and disassociating with Brand but that's what you get with a reporter for The Sun
Wait wait wait. Here we have s guy saying 'it was a culture that I was caught up in' whilst condemning Russell Brand's actions. At which point will be he man enough to see himself in the mirror of Russell Brand?
Been really enjoying these so far but this one turned me right off. I thought this was supposed to be serious journalism and then you have hack from the sun as special guest. Disappointed
Hmmm a missed opportunity to get some real insight into the much buried Dan Wootton story. After all his career was similar. Strangely GB news is still monetised despite more mounting evidence than RB..........
An excellent podcast! Never was the biggest fan of Gordon back in his Sun heyday but he seems to have matured and his insights into Brand are hardly surprising but very telling. We've certainly known about his predations since Katherine Ryan tried to out him in 2018, and his establishment legal team threatened her. Glad the Times and C4 finally had their legal ducks in a row to publish/broadcast and the alleged victims can finally get some closure. Very brave of them to come forward too give the levels of horrendous vitroil they've been (predictably) subjected to from the usual knuckle-draggers.
Adding to that online fury were widespread anecdotes of social media users being swarmed by Depp fans on Twitter if they spoke critically of the actor or even just sympathetically towards Heard. While the overwhelming theory is that Depp’s team employed the use of fake accounts in Russia (a.k.a. “bots”) to boost support for the actor on social media, a new study reportedly suggests that’s not entirely the case. According to Bot Sentinel, yes, an “organized campaign of widespread targeted harassment,” but there were actual people behind the attacks. According to the full report, which you can read here, the harassment campaign was described as “one of the worst cases of cyberbullying and cyberstalking by a group of Twitter accounts that we’ve ever seen.” Bot Sentinel also concluded that Twitter failed to act accordingly to protect users. “It’s our opinion Twitter didn’t do enough to mitigate the platform manipulation and did very little to stop the abuse and targeted harassment,” the report stated. “Twitter essentially left the women to fend for themselves with little to no support from the platform.” (Via CBS News)
Actually a surprising number of journalists defended him when he was on 'their side' and they felt they needed someone to sway the apathetic young voter.
They should have went forward to the law. Channel 4 were so concerned about the victims that they produced this 'exposing' documentary to show the world what Brand is like but at the same time have compromised any chance of a legal prosecution. The fact the documentary lasted 80 mins and there was only probably 1 or possibly 2 provable claims showed that the agenda was more than the evidence to back it up. To tell you the truth I've never been a fan of Russell Brand and especially at his height of fame on mainstream TV and radio and found him intolerable to watch and listen to. And it would not surprise me if all these allegations are true. He's definitely a narcissistic individual and a bully and those traits are certainly applicable to that of someone accused of his crimes but I'd much rather have him prosecuted in a court of law rather than trial by media.
Interesting that he claims Brand is a sociopath or psychopath, which is purely an opinion of someone with no qualifications in the field and they both lap it up without any scrutiny, and then goes on to say that a medical addiction to a drug is different to a behavioural addiction - and Maitlis is equally clueless about addiction, so they are fully aligned on that. Tell me how the "criminal investigation" is going...
Like the Savile phenomena; a creep hiding in plain sight, surfing the tide of supplicant media. Brand looks like such a dinosaur now, still he has his millions to count as his infamy fades.
And what about all the women who used to "throw themselves" at Russell Brand? And that this is well known (as mentioned here) in celebrity circles? Well let's not hold any of those women to account!! Russell has been pretty transparent about his past behaviour and has apparently changed. Shouldn't this mean that we should change our view of all this?
“Hold them to account”? What exactly are you alleging these women did, other than consensual acts? It’s the stuff that Brand is alleged to have done that WASN’T consensual that has landed him in so much trouble.
Amazed that this editor is also a psychiatrist/ psychologist and able to diagnose RB with personality disorders. Not even pulled up by the interviewers. Shame on you.
Kim James, My comment exactly. Who is he to diagnose. It’s farcical. Like you I was waiting for them to challenge that and out a stop to it. Free speech is one thing but to label with such confidence and conviction say ‘rb is a psychopathic narcissist is unacceptable, improper.
@@tesskennedy4959 You must attend a very special and expensive university to learn what a narcissist w/sociopathic traits is and does. It’s top secret. However, you must have a working frontal lobe.
I worked in music industry and yes these odd women would throw themselves at artist,bass players and singers mostly,and if these girls,women got turned down or not rang back then you would get all sorts said and done,lots of pregnancies that never were,lost goes on,but strange and disturbing world.not a safe place for the young and naive at all,no wonder my parents worried but I was level headed back then and all ways hated hands men.but then few and far between men like that in that business,think aids act !are people stop and think..
The first time I ever saw Brand on screen, I could see he was there as an icon of modern, egotistical decadence...the media culture that sponsored and promoted him, can't now pretend to be shocked by the depravity which so thrilled them from the outset.
Like a Savile; a creep hiding in plain sight, surfing the tide of supplicant media.
Completely agree
I saw a talentless, try-hard nobody. Nothing has dissuaded me from that first impression.
"The media culture"...? How about the public? He was massively popular, a national star. It was an entirely collective adulation. So it's not just a matter of cynical promotion of an undeserving subject by an unscrupulous, complicit media.
This guy perpetuated the laddish culture of the time. I really dont have much respect or time for tabloid reporters, expecially from that period. Bob Woodward he aint.
I've never thought Brand displayed a clear ideology to be honest. Most of the stuff he spat out appeared to be grand standing without any real conviction.
….once an addict always an addict. Brand may have given up various previous addictions but then found a new way to satisfy his cravings and stay relevant.
People praise him for his palette of words from the Lexicon Of Bullsh*t.
@@StratsRUs ….otherwise known as verbal diarrhoea ?
I like to call it ... gobshite'ing
@@cspace1234nzhe was never an Addict, it's all been an act
Jordan Peterson does the same thing
So does Tate
And Crowder
And Walsh
Trump, Boris
They all use the same techniques taught in Scientology
The right wing has weaponised Cults
It’s just so sad hearing about the toxic environment Murdoch creates around him.. our country has suffered..
Murdoch bears more responsibility than we can imagine. Around the globe
Alice so very true
Fox Newz has eroded the US dramatically. It is all Murdoch and his son Laughlan.
The only places Murdoch has been allowed to thrive are the US and the UK, look at what he's achieved in both, chaos
For his senior position he avoids a lot of questions and when convenient was not his investigation...slick, very slick
nailed it, you don't get to the positions he's got to without being a void of morality and a master of bs
The rich and powerful are given the benefit of doubt, meanwhile, the poor and powerless are presumed guilty..
Rich poweful and white....
But brand is rich & powerful yet is being found guilty before being given the chance to defend himself so your comment makes no sense...
he's not being found nothing, its not been to court.@@matthewjames7268
Compared to Murdoch he's not rich
@@rahuldahoobAnd, he dated a roetchield 🤣🤣🤣🤣 These people are so thick
As an American/Canadian, It's the first time I subscribed to a foreign news podcast and I say enjoy it's refreshing to watch "The News Agents."
With the best will in the world, claiming you were “blinded by lad’s culture” is a poor excuse. From the start, many said that lad’s culture was materialistic, sensationalist and self-destructive. It isn’t at all surprising that it ended in misogyny. Grown men should have known better.
Maybe This lad wasn't a fully grown up or rounded person at the time. It seems quite a luxury to be conveniently distancing himself from that now he's in his 40s. I can't really trust him.
@@starmersbarber I thought the same thing. There's something about the readiness with which he sold his little bottom to Murdoch that gives me pause and the fact he speaks highly of people who made the same transaction feels curious. His inexplicably swift conversion since leaving feels a lot like another persona that he's sold himself - one minute he's a Lad, the next minute, a Thoughtful New Dad. None of it is credible.
Convenient for him
They're all doing it
There's a direct link between Scientology Trump and the techniques used by these right wing grifters, who also tie to NXIVM (Elon promoted it) Epstein (Trumps best friend for twenty years) and Saville (friends of the Queen whom Peterson and Piers defend)
They're also all Catholic, many are Opus Dei
Scientology is training these people in the tactics of brainwashing
I've been researching this for years but couldn't find the school
Scientology is the School
It's what MK Ultra became
It's probably run by the CIA, and Opus Dei, which is basically the same thing.
They're all Catholics
Russell Brand could have slept with any groupie he wanted to, women, through themselves at him. The establishment wants to cancel Russell Brand just as they did to Tucker Carlson, and the reason they're going after Musk, Rogan, and trying to bankrupt Trump.
This guy is an enabler and he is using the same excuses, someone inheriting slaves used. It's not my fault that the culture I lived in was bad, even while I was the MAIN reason it continued to be bad.
Gordon Smart claims he was "brought up to know right from wrong"...and YET, he jumped into this world of gossip, tabloid lies, drunkeness and I am sure drugs(although he doesn't mention that at all), and only now, questions it all. The fact is, that he and so many others, were intoxicated with fame, and mostly intoxicated with making MONEY and being closely aligned with the power that money and fame bring to people like the untalented Russell Brand, who wasn't funny a second in his sorry life. It shouldn't take a Ph.D. in neuroscience to see through Brand instantly. But hanging out with celebs with power and cash trumps ethics. I don't beleive Smart didn't hear about the appalling behavior against women that Brand is now finally being called out about. And btw, even some "lads" in their twenties have ethics and know full well not to participate in toxic male behavior or drunkeness, drugs and violence against women.
Exactly! He's one year older than me, yet doesn't seem to have been as wise about The Sun as I am and most people I know.
Totally agree with your assessment. Also, to add to that, it is infuriating when 15 years later people can turn around and say "oh but I cannot turn the clock back" - it's true, they cannot turn the clock back, so why do we wait until its too late to hold people to account?
I could not endure the whole interview. The bloke isn’t a serial killer. Many politicians have done much more harm. So we could easily forgive his missteps- if he bothered to ask. But the constant excuses were driving me up the wall. 12:53
Every child knows salacious gossip is wrong; that cruelty is wrong; that it’s more important to have self-respect than ambition; and it should not take much of a man to know that prurience is wrong. So, you don’t work for a rag. You don’t make a profit from misery. Just say: “Ambition got the better of me, I know better now, and I’m sorry.”
It wasn’t like tabloid journalism and starvation were the only two options on the table.
@@scepticalsaint 💯
He comes across as trying to do some damage limitation of any potential reputational questions that will come up due to his closeness to Brand for a span of time.
This was a great listen! A lot of very successful people are narcissists and have psychopathic traits. Well done for saying it! I am a bit chocked by the idealization of an individual like this and the aggressive attacks on the women. Like, how dare people assume… I don’t get it. It brings to mind the group think in a sect or cult…
Great interview! Because the news agents has a more relaxed, conversational style I almost forgot what an awesome world class interviewer Maitlis is! You could almost see the wheels turning in her head as she was listening, particularly when he was talking about Murdoch, so she could determine the wider implications of what the guest was saying and quickly formulate direct follow up questions. I hope the podcast develops more opportunities for her to do what she is great at....being a quick witted, dogged journalist!
He talks like he had never previously heard of the The Sun before working there & continuing too do so.
I grew up then as well, but some of us had morals & where brought up to know what being a decent person is. Sorry no excuses.
That person was you & still is, just with a sense of self awareness.
This seems an account by this guy Smart of a far from noble mindset through his important formative years. In my early 20s, I already understood that the likes of the Sun was a total rag, yet he lived and breathed it in his early 20s. He now carries a very dodgy legacy and he'll have to work very hard to earn proper trust.
The Sun was known as trash for a while.This guy knows what he was aiming for.
@@worldofjonny2Liverpool and all around don't sell or buy the Sun for years and rightly so
One inch punch bowl
Do you mean Gordon Smart. If so I very much agree with you and have left similar.
Starmersbarber
Well said, I left my own comment but have been searching through the comments to see if others heard it similarly to myself.
This was SO interesting…and in amongst a sea of bizarre and troubling coverage of this very serious story regarding Brand and the wider implications, I seriously appreciated it and wish everyone could watch it. Thank you to Gordon Smart for his honesty and insight into his fascinating career and thank you once again News Agents x
Ps: I didn’t want it to end!
You'll probably enjoy this analysis too ua-cam.com/video/fuXVOdkfgIw/v-deo.htmlsi=ZBrrGHScvB_iwoP4
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Adding to that online fury were widespread anecdotes of social media users being swarmed by Depp fans on Twitter if they spoke critically of the actor or even just sympathetically towards Heard. While the overwhelming theory is that Depp’s team employed the use of fake accounts in Russia (a.k.a. “bots”) to boost support for the actor on social media, a new study reportedly suggests that’s not entirely the case. According to Bot Sentinel, yes, an “organized campaign of widespread targeted harassment,” but there were actual people behind the attacks.
According to the full report, which you can read here, the harassment campaign was described as “one of the worst cases of cyberbullying and cyberstalking by a group of Twitter accounts that we’ve ever seen.” Bot Sentinel also concluded that Twitter failed to act accordingly to protect users.
“It’s our opinion Twitter didn’t do enough to mitigate the platform manipulation and did very little to stop the abuse and targeted harassment,” the report stated. “Twitter essentially left the women to fend for themselves with little to no support from the platform.”
(Via CBS News)
Hes a big fish, Saville level, that's why Musk, Peterson, Walsh and co are rushing to protect him. Remember Epstein worked for Trump
No such thing as a journalist that works for the sun
I nearly turned off when I heard his credentials.
The "real" Russell Brand??
There is no real Russell Brand. Just a void where his personality should be. The man is pure ego & narcissism.
Just a plain silly and vacuously pointless thing to say.
@@opinion3742 ...except it isn't is it. Narcissism and abuse often go hand in hand.
Agreed, I don't think we actually know what Brands true political positions are.
@@MrBarry465 ...I don't think he has a true political position. Its all just smoke and mirrors.
@@BosskV2 correct he just plays up to the cheap seats.
Question: do you feel burning shame for being a tool of Murdock who’s been responsible for so much harm in British, American and Australian culture and politics? Brand is small potatoes compared to monster Murdock.
I'm tuned into this with interest. To be honest, I don't trust this guy, given his 'formative adult years being immersed in a far from noble culture (and working for rags of newspapers). He has the relative luxury of being articulate enough (on the surface) to distance himself from the culture now....but HE was right there, living and breathing a very mucky scene.
The quality of the interviewing on your show is off the scale.Truly outstanding questioning at a forensic level that is a rare on our main news channels today.Well done “ world class””
@@gpw203then I think you need better glasses
Compare this to amateur 'interviewers' such as Rees-Mogg and Nadir Dorries. Chalk and cheese.
Hindsight is such a luxury. We can only be accountable for our own behaviour.
Funny how Murdoch claims he doesn't get involved in his papers yet here we see someone claiming Murdoch was hands-on during the Scottish independence referendum.
Sounds to me like he's trying to throw Russell under the bus to save himsel, doesn't it!
I agree, it did have a whiff of that. There was deliberate and slightly jarring framing which left me questioning his motives.
Not to me it wasn't. Why did you think that? Or just grasping at anything now?
@esinach listen again, it's scattered all across this video if you want to see it. Your response tells me you wish for something else though because its so blatant, and I am guessing you're refusing to see it for some reason and suggesting i grasp at 'anything now'.
@@crazytrain7721 Nope. Im not as easy to jump into condemning someone for one interview. He obviously does have some regrets and things from that time - he even said it. But never did I hear anything about throwing him under the bus. It seems to me he believes the allegations. if that is throwing him under the bus. Then what is so wrong with that? If that's what he believes?
I thought it sounded like he was still struggling coming to terms with it tbh. Him mentioning some of Brands qualities it seemed like he appreciated, like Brand wanting him to quit drinking etc.
I don't think the only outcome of this interview is just thinking he's thrown him under the bus. He obviously will know more than a lot of us. And if he wanted to throw him under the bus, Im pretty sure he couldve said even more damning things than he did.
Very much so. He should just stay out of it and wait for some actual charges or something.
Brand is a perfect example of a Messianic personality.
Same as David Icke
Nah. He's just a narcisist playing the part of a massiah, he knows he's not a messiah, he's just playing the part and laughing at his followers.
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But ist that all rock star personalities
Now he’s up on the crucifix!
Many, many topics covered in this video. Another great show, with an important message right at the end.
In the introduction, you can really hear Lewis's Brummie accent slipping/ creeping out lol. Great episode as always team
It's quite a clubby interview, as illustrated by the revolving door from which Gordon Smart worked at the Sun and now the BBC. And why does he keep calling people who work for the Sun "journalists"? You're a journalist, or you work for Sun. You can't be both at the same time.
Courtney Love has publicly said she rejected Brands advances (apparently they are friends still) but also went on the record about a fling with Steve Coogan, what are the details that he does not want to say??
"the loopholes you have to jump through". A very revealing phrase in an unconvincing effort to justify working at the heart of Murdoch's empire and the culture it engendered, elevated and fed off
I liked how most of the episode established that the media (in its various forms) has more power than politicians now. Then they asked Gordon whether it was the case and he claimed not.
Saying that Murdoch has no influence on politics is a joke.
Were it not for our celebrity obsessed culture, including the culpability of journalists past and present, Brand would have been just another know-all gobshite, the sort found in every town/pub and avoided, with a groan, by those who know him.
He just seems (fake) to protect him self and his image / say all the right things( but worked at the sun for that long and didn’t understand the papers agenda or position in society)…. And deflect anything negative from his past roles.. Fake False and shady. Russel brands behaviour was created through people and institutions that this guy worked for and stood for! This guy would have loved mixing and hanging out with Russel for sure. Shame he didn’t speak truth but guess he’s protecting him self but still shady stay out of it if u don’t want look bad.
Capitalism*
Because people are too busy trying to pay the bills to get involved in other people's lives
No, Russell Brand's behaviour was created by Russell Brand.
The time of celebrities is over.
It’s what we celebrate
When reporters say "So and so denies the allegations", it must be very tempting to add "but they would, wouldn't they?"
Saying " i m a well educated, well mannered, ethical guy "....self proclaimed is always suspicious...he was there. Now he talks, using the airtime to say how well educated he himself is...weird..like Russell he speaks in this polished way but not 1 % of Russell s charisma...jalous ?? He was right then right there
Whats unsettling is that you celebrated Russel Brand in the past, and now it’s inconvenient; you condemn him.
He's been credibly accused of serious crimes by multiple women in different countries over a decades-long timespan
An intelligent interview which is so nice to see! Shame about the less intelligent comments!
He still sticks up for the big boss and his son.
'Hindsight is a fools point of view.' - Dolly Parton
Surely a fool is one who ignores hindsight
@@opinion3742 or one who had no foresight
I'm sure if you dug into any one of those 3 panelists you'd find some skeletons in their closet as well.
That’s too broad a statement, Rose and Fred West had skeletons, literally, there’s a sliding scale.
Tbronk. Absolutely agree with you
Nonsense insinuation.
Start with David Koresh, add a healthy dollop of PT Barnum, and a dash of Charles Manson.
Scientology is what connects them to Trump and Epstein
They're also all Jesuits
the more I see of Brand the more i'm getting the whole Jim Jones/Koresh cult vibes!
Awesome interviewee. And great questions.
Jimmy Saville was an open secret.
Also a hilarious Freudian slip “the loopholes you have to jump through”!
Very tongue in cheek. Love your humor Lesley.❤❤❤
If he has serious concerns about other people why not go to the police? Its obviously STILL going on
This guy reminds me of Brand in a way- he was embroilled in unethical behaviour, now he's a family man 'repents' and has come out the otherside- now he is being unethical in another way. Brand may well be a thoroughly unpleasant human being, but we have to maintain innocent until proven guilty, we can't have a world where anonymous accusations are enough to inflict punishment on someone, demonetising them etc. Freedom of speech is crumblng and people will use situations like this to push through laws that will diminish it even further.
Surely 'freedom of speech' extends to people being able to make their own person mind/opinion up on what Brand has or has not done?
Yes!
yes definitely@@MrBarry465
I believe the Times/Channel 4 or whoever planned this takedown have much more up their sleeve than they're making out...They're just waiting untill it goes to court then they'll pull all the aces out..They reckon they've spent 4 years investigating this and they probably have a truckload of accusers queuing up for a court day...
@Dimple_5 I dont think thats true- i think people are also defending the principle of innocent till proven guilty- such as Peter Hitchens- who in no way can be considered a fan of Brand! I don't think we have seen much evidence of Brand being a criminal yet- just being a degenerate. What evidence have you seen so far? There has to be a proper process. How can the Times be 100% sure? Are newspapers really so reliable? You're going on the word of a weak minded, immoral ex editor of the Sun?
Poor, decent guy....at all happened around him, bless.
Give him a break, he’s a creep………gives himself a pass. Hypocrite……
They talk about bad behaviour in the past, like people are all well behaved now !
Working for Murdoch should be illegal
Murdoch should be illegal.
This interview confirms you should leave it to the courts...especially colleagues and friends should shut up until then.
Very disrespectful towards a colleague you all were close to and apparently loved to be around him
I agree that it should be left to 'the courts' and that the truth is unconditionally revealed...but I fear that it may never reach the courts.
Things rapists say to isolate their victims
Newsflash. Culture changes. It develops over time and what is socially acceptable adapts and morphs. It’s the reason why your grandparents will say something and you have to correct them and say you can’t say that anymore. It’s the reason your parents are constantly two years behind with slang. The only difference is that now, because of the internet everything is forever, and people are being held accountable decades later for something that they have evolved and grown from. All of us are guilty of of it in some fashion. We might have used to joke about things we don’t joke about anymore, dress a certain way that would now be laughable, engage in behaviour that we look back at and wince. Now this isn’t to say that serious criminal allegations shouldn’t be investigated due to the time they were in, of course they should, but there needs to be an acknowledgment that certain things were a product of their time and when it was happening it was socially accepted. We learn we grow.
Totally agree.
Much better articulated than my own similar comments.
His art teacher in high school had been a member of Wet wet wet??? No way!! That's wild
This is ridiculously irresponsible, RB was accused, if we talk as if he is convicted the legal process ceases to have any meaning. This conversation alone is enough to enable RB lawyers to argue for the case to be dropped. What are you doing? Is this just entertainment??
Right!!! All double speaking, gaslighting BS!!
If it does go to court, it will most likely be for accusations not mentioned in the original documentary/story, thats what I think happened with Harvey Weinstein,
A great insight into a world I, along with many others, know exists but know almost nothing about. A compelling interview.
The fact that the instructions protected brand is as bad as brand behaviour.
Murdoch empire was and still is the king maker of Uk politics, Blair, Cameron, Boris, next Starmer will be anointed.
Murdoch makes people like Trump and cancels them at his convenience....fox news one of the many creations costing him billions for creating narratives with global impact, putting people in place who are pure mobsters...how can anyone want to work for Murdoch. Worse ,who wants to work in the tabloid world...strange ambition.
Brilliant investigative journalism? In the tabloid world....is this a ' cover all our behinds ' interview ?
Quite possibly one of the best interviews I've ever seen. Gordon comes across as a very transparent guy. Fascinating on so many levels.
Oh come on...this is very very gossipy talk...what else to expect..these " journalists " 😂😂..throwing each other under the bus..what else is new if you work in a sleezy business
Why legitimise a person like this? Sorry, I can't call anyone who's worked at the Sun a 'journalist'. This pod is sinking into relativism. So disappointing.
Claiming this was an episode in showbiz history is missing the wider truth ; lying and narcissism is now the norm in the public space.
Im sure a lot of people thought he was a creep but because he was left wing at the time he was given a free pass by MSN and toted as cool
it's easy to say in hindsight you should have said something but these guys were in their 20s and millionaires in the '90s which was a debaucherous decade, not justifying anything that brand may be accused of but you don't have Noel Gallagher and Matt Morgan trying to salvage their image and disassociating with Brand but that's what you get with a reporter for The Sun
noughties not 90s
So you've invited one of his enablers, cheer leaders and profiteers to talk about what a narcissist Brand was. Hmmmmm. OK.
Why should we trust a tabloid journalist??
I think we all know who should be investigated
Brand belongs in prison not just demonotized
“The loopholes you have to jump through”!
Ha yes, I noticed that as well. Not hoops, loopholes!
Gordon comes across as pretty genuine and he’s very open about his time at the tabloids in this interview.
Fascinating thank you. ❤
In the intro monologue. The brummy accent is strong!!
Wait wait wait. Here we have s guy saying 'it was a culture that I was caught up in' whilst condemning Russell Brand's actions. At which point will be he man enough to see himself in the mirror of Russell Brand?
"There's nothing I could do about it now".
Really? Do you honestly think that?
I enjoy all these podcasts
Been really enjoying these so far but this one turned me right off. I thought this was supposed to be serious journalism and then you have hack from the sun as special guest. Disappointed
Mental take.
@@esinach if it’s mental to think that anyone who edited the sun is lacking in honesty and credibility then lock me up
A fascinating interview.
we need Russel Brands ground breaking journalism back on air -- instead of this idiot from the Sun
More like the Richard and Judy show
excellent show
Hmmm a missed opportunity to get some real insight into the much buried Dan Wootton story. After all his career was similar. Strangely GB news is still monetised despite more mounting evidence than RB..........
Says a lot without saying very much. Slick Gordon, slick.
An excellent podcast! Never was the biggest fan of Gordon back in his Sun heyday but he seems to have matured and his insights into Brand are hardly surprising but very telling. We've certainly known about his predations since Katherine Ryan tried to out him in 2018, and his establishment legal team threatened her. Glad the Times and C4 finally had their legal ducks in a row to publish/broadcast and the alleged victims can finally get some closure. Very brave of them to come forward too give the levels of horrendous vitroil they've been (predictably) subjected to from the usual knuckle-draggers.
C4 who enabled his behavior
Absolutely, applauded and turned a blind eye. They were 100% complicit. @@soulfireonfire6423
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(Via CBS News)
Actually a surprising number of journalists defended him when he was on 'their side' and they felt they needed someone to sway the apathetic young voter.
They should have went forward to the law. Channel 4 were so concerned about the victims that they produced this 'exposing' documentary to show the world what Brand is like but at the same time have compromised any chance of a legal prosecution. The fact the documentary lasted 80 mins and there was only probably 1 or possibly 2 provable claims showed that the agenda was more than the evidence to back it up. To tell you the truth I've never been a fan of Russell Brand and especially at his height of fame on mainstream TV and radio and found him intolerable to watch and listen to. And it would not surprise me if all these allegations are true. He's definitely a narcissistic individual and a bully and those traits are certainly applicable to that of someone accused of his crimes but I'd much rather have him prosecuted in a court of law rather than trial by media.
Brand didn't throw his dog down the stairs. At least get those details correct, it's written in his book.
Yeah he kicked it down the stairs.
Could try asking Russel…
Now we have cancel culture, extreme gender politics, critical race theory, thought police censure...
Race doesn't exist, YT man created that fake socio-constructed...
He has bad karma
You sound disappointed
So some progress has been made.
Interesting that he claims Brand is a sociopath or psychopath, which is purely an opinion of someone with no qualifications in the field and they both lap it up without any scrutiny, and then goes on to say that a medical addiction to a drug is different to a behavioural addiction - and Maitlis is equally clueless about addiction, so they are fully aligned on that. Tell me how the "criminal investigation" is going...
Like the Savile phenomena; a creep hiding in plain sight, surfing the tide of supplicant media. Brand looks like such a dinosaur now, still he has his millions to count as his infamy fades.
Asking if he knows other victims??? Watch your boundaries lady
This guy is part of the problem and this a poor attempt at deflection and obfuscation
“ . . . Managing Rupert Murdoch’s interests . . .” Says it all.
And what about all the women who used to "throw themselves" at Russell Brand? And that this is well known (as mentioned here) in celebrity circles? Well let's not hold any of those women to account!! Russell has been pretty transparent about his past behaviour and has apparently changed. Shouldn't this mean that we should change our view of all this?
….doesn’t mean in amongst all that consensual legal behavior that he didn’t still commit serious crimes
“Hold them to account”? What exactly are you alleging these women did, other than consensual acts? It’s the stuff that Brand is alleged to have done that WASN’T consensual that has landed him in so much trouble.
What about them?
Over 40 minutes of completely unimportant nonsense.
Mate, look up from your phone
So you decided to get a gossip columnist formerly employed by Rupert Murdoch just to get a bit of balance.
Alrighty then.
Amazed that this editor is also a psychiatrist/ psychologist and able to diagnose RB with personality disorders. Not even pulled up by the interviewers. Shame on you.
You might like HG Tudor’s conclusion video of RB.
Kim James,
My comment exactly. Who is he to diagnose. It’s farcical. Like you I was waiting for them to challenge that and out a stop to it.
Free speech is one thing but to label with such confidence and conviction say ‘rb is a psychopathic narcissist is unacceptable, improper.
@@tesskennedy4959
You must attend a very special and expensive university to learn what a narcissist w/sociopathic traits is and does.
It’s top secret.
However, you must have a working frontal lobe.
The examples he provides sound more like a case of poor impulse control as a result of ADHD. And this is a condition RB has admitted to having
What’s the difference between a non sociopath with ADHD and a sociopath with ADHD .
Start there.
come on, rupert made politician deny climate catastrophy, that's on him
Murdoch...hmmm...such a reliable humanitarian contributing to a better world 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Pedafilia
Such a right wing family value
You took the diggers money, you take the consequences.....
Mates with N and R ……he was Gordan
Brilliant interview
I worked in music industry and yes these odd women would throw themselves at artist,bass players and singers mostly,and if these girls,women got turned down or not rang back then you would get all sorts said and done,lots of pregnancies that never were,lost goes on,but strange and disturbing world.not a safe place for the young and naive at all,no wonder my parents worried but I was level headed back then and all ways hated hands men.but then few and far between men like that in that business,think aids act !are people stop and think..