I agree that it doesn't make sense to compare these two in terms of performance, as the Panamera S/GTS matches up better with the CLS 550 (and the Panamera Turbo and Turbo S match with the CLS63 and CLS63S), but I think what they were going for was an even comparison with respect to price. They both start in the neighborhood of $110,000, but even then, the $116k GTS is a good bit more than the $106k CLS63, and that's before getting into the ridiculous options prices for which Porsche is famous...
Stop with the Porsche Panamera Turbo BS. The price gap between the CLS 63 to the Panamera Turbo you can buy one A Class, the price gap between the Turbo S and the CLS and you can buy a CLA 45AMG and have £10.000 to spend on gas.
Nobody was talking about prices but about a totally unfair comparison of an N/A engine to a twin turbo. The Panamera Turbo would eat the CLS on the track. If we compare top of the line 4 door sports saloons, then let us compare top of the line engine options. Why then not comparing CLS500 to the Panamera Turbo? Also not fair, don’t you think?
Why the GTS and not the Turbo? That would have been more comparable; both cars having twin turbo V8's, and similar HP and Tq numbers. It doesn't make sense. Did you guys not have access to one?
Latarsha Berdin Actually, no, not really. Its very close, in fact. Maybe that's what you meant, but I doubt it. Putting aside the inevitably conservative manufacturers' ratings, note that Car & Driver got 0-60 sprints as low as 3.6 seconds for both the Panamera Turbo S and the Mercedes CLS63 AMG S, and Motor Trend got 3.4 out of both for the same. Additionally, the Merc sports a top speed of 186 mph and the Porsche 192. So both are about the same in terms of straight-line speed. However, the Porsche is clearly a better driver's car, as Motor Trend was about to extract 1.03g of lateral grip out of the Panamera, compared to 0.97g in the CLS. This was demonstrated clearly enough by the fact that the Porsche posted a lap time of 1:22.68 on the Streets of Willow, whereas the Mercedes took 1:24.71; for comparison, note that the Ferrari 458 Italia posted a 1:22.30. I think the lap time disparity is probably due in large part to the Porsche's more advanced AWD system (borrowed from Audi and upgraded to handle the torque) and its huge carbon ceramic brakes. This is made even more impressive by the fact that the Porsche has to haul around an extra 173 lbs. of curb weight!
Davis Dunlap the cls63 by road and track tested at 3.2s 0-60 Also, mod to mod, let’s say both tuned the amg will smash the Porsche easily in straight line speed.
Even when I set the vid to run at 1080p it's still bad quality and actually it's not changing a bit from 480p. Try to use HD cam or upload better quality files...
Anybody can drive fast in a strait... I'll take the Porsche for more fun and safety in the curves anytime... (and to hell what the neighbors think...).
Definitely I prefer to cruise down the street in the CLS better looking better sounding and in public road better to drive! Panamera is just to ugly and the badge is not enough! I hardly believe the Panamera sportiness is so obvious in a day to day use...
And the mercedes CLS63 or CL63 amg with performance package from amg which has 900 nm torque and 570hp would have left the turbo s in the dust. The Renntech CLS63 or CL63 AMG has 670hp and 1044nm torque which would kill the porsche.
I don't know how Porsche sells any of these horribly ugly cars when the Maserati quattroporte is cheaper. I understand that the panamera is a fantastic driving car, but the exterior is vomit inducing.
It is quite hideous, yes, but not only does the Maserati rock cheap-ish hard-plasticy switchgear pulled from the Chrysler-Fiat corporate parts bin, but the trim and leather isn't up to snuff for anything wearing the trident badge, and the transmission is reportedly rather clunky when the throttle isn't wide open. Most importantly, the Quattroporte lacks the biggest selling point for most Maseratis: the high-revving, Ferrari-built, flat-plane crankshaft V8. These are just a few of the many reasons why the Quattorporte is cheaper. Its exciting, yes, but lacks the refinement, build quality, and motorsport pedigree of the Porsche
+Davis Dunlap I love Maserati, but all of your facts are sound and I agree with you. I would love to see Maserati get some air under its wings and be able to (re-)start building their cars with genuine quality and performance like they used to. Nice cars; all three of them.
there is a beast call Mercedes Benz CLS63 AMG for people talking about PORSCHE GTS models Botha cars are equal what can I say I love both cars but I'll go for CLS 550amg
Light Yagami The average person just doesn't decide to buy one of these cars because they saved enough money. Most people buy cars like these because they are filthy rich. And chances are that if they can buy a GTS, more than likely they'll afford a Turbo as well. It all boils down to what the rich want.
Light Yagami Yeah, but from a horse power standpoint, it would have been a much more accurate test. Although, even with the Panamera Turbo, the Benz would still have an h.p. advantage.
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Hand worked.. What a piece of shit of a lie. Keeping in mind how many AMG cars are out there then half the working men in Germany should work at Mercedes-Benz. And second hand built is another name for junk and unreliable. What made cars reliable and secure and all the same was the robots and automation in general.
nforspeed91 they compare zr1s to Ferraris all the time around the track, and even though the Ferrari cost 3 times as much, the vette always rwins.. obviously a panamera with 424 hp vs the benzes 548 is going to be slower. the turbo would have been a more compelling test.
Maybe in the past when the CLS was rear wheel drive. Now that the CLS 63 AMG S model is here with more power, you're quite wrong. The Audi will lose because it's slower, heavier, and less powerful. I will admit it could either way with the Porsche because it's only less power and weighs less, but it has a torque disadvantage.
That's not fair , you can't compare a CLS63 to a GTS. You have to compare to the Turbo.
I agree that it doesn't make sense to compare these two in terms of performance, as the Panamera S/GTS matches up better with the CLS 550 (and the Panamera Turbo and Turbo S match with the CLS63 and CLS63S), but I think what they were going for was an even comparison with respect to price. They both start in the neighborhood of $110,000, but even then, the $116k GTS is a good bit more than the $106k CLS63, and that's before getting into the ridiculous options prices for which Porsche is famous...
You're right, Davis. I do agree with you on that.
Davis Dunlap thats true but they should have mentioned it!
Next time compare it to panamera diesel so the mercedes victory is even more obvious.
Kameron Sumlin I’d choose the naturally aspirated Porsche anyway over the Mercedes, it won’t fall to pieces lol
She even laughs like tires squeal
She isssss 😆😆😆😆
power wil nearly always be the defining factor for the lap time of a normal person
This is so true. Through the corners the average person will go through at a speed he/she thinks is safe, not necessarily. what the car is capable of.
It's not Erol Conk who made the engine it's Erol Cenk. Just hard to read.
Sauvag E. Yep, Turkish. And the 'C' is pronounced as J.
The porche looks like it's been run over by a JCB but Vicki's laugh Certainly sounds like it!
Stop with the Porsche Panamera Turbo BS.
The price gap between the CLS 63 to the Panamera Turbo you can buy one A Class, the price gap between the Turbo S and the CLS and you can buy a CLA 45AMG and have £10.000 to spend on gas.
Nobody was talking about prices but about a totally unfair comparison of an N/A engine to a twin turbo. The Panamera Turbo would eat the CLS on the track.
If we compare top of the line 4 door sports saloons, then let us compare top of the line engine options. Why then not comparing CLS500 to the Panamera Turbo? Also not fair, don’t you think?
It does take a lot more skill to unlock the handling and braking advantages of a Porsche, but the AMG still has a massive power advantage.
they both are perfect as usual. only germans can do PERFECT cars. neither americans, not italians, not british.
Italians come close though, the problem with British cars is reliabilty. However, I agree German cars are the best
Yet the la ferrari is faster than all german car and the P1 as well
I love Vicki....just wanted to say that
Don't we all
Should of compared it to the turbo
Dafuq is "Porshe" ? XD
Vicki laugh is such a winner
why not the 585HP CLS the S version?
Why do all these journalists say its ugly I think it's the sleeekest sedan out there
Just get the Porsche ,is pure racing pedigre!
the AMG is nice, but I love the Panamera!!
Why the GTS and not the Turbo? That would have been more comparable; both cars having twin turbo V8's, and similar HP and Tq numbers. It doesn't make sense. Did you guys not have access to one?
Exactly. Silly comparison.
Why didn't you use the Panamera Turbo? Please next time compare the M6 GT and the CLS.
it should have been the panamera turbo or turbo s
I love both cars. The Panamera Turbo is bonkers though. Crazy fast
Where is the Panamera Turbo?
The CLS is a Turbo, so why didn’t you use the Panamera Turbo??? This video is inaccurate!
J'adore les voiture
Mercedes benz cls 63 ///AMG is the best four door car in my opinion
I love the way she laughs
Porsche doesn't ahve any light mod, check at those Benz lights!!
For that test they should have used a panamera turbo.
That would’ve destroyed the merc tho and they wanted to make it fair to the merc
should have been panny turbo s vs cls63
Both were born in Stuttgart and both are world renowned... Not a feat an average Joe or Jane would achieve 10/10 times 😅
Why is it they always test the porsche gts against turbo mercs and bimmers? Try the turbo or turbo s . Lights out
Exactly
Until you bring out the even more powerful S model of CLS 63
Latarsha Berdin Actually, no, not really. Its very close, in fact. Maybe that's what you meant, but I doubt it. Putting aside the inevitably conservative manufacturers' ratings, note that Car & Driver got 0-60 sprints as low as 3.6 seconds for both the Panamera Turbo S and the Mercedes CLS63 AMG S, and Motor Trend got 3.4 out of both for the same. Additionally, the Merc sports a top speed of 186 mph and the Porsche 192. So both are about the same in terms of straight-line speed. However, the Porsche is clearly a better driver's car, as Motor Trend was about to extract 1.03g of lateral grip out of the Panamera, compared to 0.97g in the CLS. This was demonstrated clearly enough by the fact that the Porsche posted a lap time of 1:22.68 on the Streets of Willow, whereas the Mercedes took 1:24.71; for comparison, note that the Ferrari 458 Italia posted a 1:22.30. I think the lap time disparity is probably due in large part to the Porsche's more advanced AWD system (borrowed from Audi and upgraded to handle the torque) and its huge carbon ceramic brakes. This is made even more impressive by the fact that the Porsche has to haul around an extra 173 lbs. of curb weight!
Davis Dunlap the cls63 by road and track tested at 3.2s 0-60
Also, mod to mod, let’s say both tuned the amg will smash the Porsche easily in straight line speed.
the best 4 Doors coupe ever made
+Paul Stefan hmm... m3 or m4? rs7?
+megaraf jogos rs7 is a car? :))))copy vw
Paul Stefan dacia sandero?
Bad race! AMG is MBZ tuned top of line while GTS is 2nd from top. Now use the Turbo-s and tables will turn!
How are these in the same category?
They are not. Silly comparison hands down.
Even when I set the vid to run at 1080p it's still bad quality and actually it's not changing a bit from 480p. Try to use HD cam or upload better quality files...
Anybody can drive fast in a strait... I'll take the Porsche for more fun and safety in the curves anytime... (and to hell what the neighbors think...).
Its called Porsche :) Not Porshe
i would rather own the Pan
Note: The unit of toruqe is pound-foot (pound times foot) not pound/foot (pound per foot) which is a compelely different physical unit
He did not have it in turbo
MB is all about a name. The Audi RS6 would make the cls 63 amg a shame. Quote me!
He called her a refined racing driver 😂
Shout out to Erol Cenk, he also built the engine in my CLS 63 AMG. That's crazy!😳👍
Are you a Pakistani taxi driver.???
So, only 1 second difference in the times. That's really not much -- well within the normal variation of a driver going around a course like that.
They compare cars with similar price. The turbo S is way more expensive.
Its called PORSCHE not PORSHE...
Stupid test, why wouldn't you use a Panamera Turbo?
I think that they just wanted to compare a car with so much power vs a car that has less power (Panamera GTS), and the GTS did so good as well! :)
"We'll start with the cialis"
i love castle combe
Definitely I prefer to cruise down the street in the CLS better looking better sounding and in public road better to drive! Panamera is just to ugly and the badge is not enough! I hardly believe the Panamera sportiness is so obvious in a day to day use...
They are compareable by price, no?
Yes of course they are the Porsche cost 121000 euro and the cls63 amg cost 117000 euro so the better car is even cheaper
But the Porsche Panamera GTS a is like a 911 GT3, compare the CLS63 with it's actual competition (Panamera Turbo S) and it would lose.
Nice cars but Id have to go with the AMG I love the sound and if I were to buy a porsche it would have to be a 911.
Um. Audi RS7, please?
These are 2011 cars mate otherwise I agree with you
fastest 4 doors?- The all wheel drive E63s and Panamera Turbo are faster then both
*Porsche.* (note spelling, Fifth Gear)
Dat Laugh.
a turbo S would leave the benz in dust ;)
And the mercedes CLS63 or CL63 amg with performance package from amg which has 900 nm torque and 570hp would have left the turbo s in the dust. The Renntech CLS63 or CL63 AMG has 670hp and 1044nm torque which would kill the porsche.
hahahahaa dude, price wise you can't compare them. if that was the case then a lambo would've smoked them
GT2 ,918 SPYDER ,OR THE Porsche Carrera GT WOULD DATE RAPE ANY RENNTECH!!!!!!!
bi turbo with no turbo fair comparison fools
no no no no you are crazy fifth gear you would better put a turbo gts is not the correct choice
only AMG
i dont't know cls with 548 hp...
Where is bmw 6 ?
Stark somewre over the side of the road
Nutz
I don't know how Porsche sells any of these horribly ugly cars when the Maserati quattroporte is cheaper. I understand that the panamera is a fantastic driving car, but the exterior is vomit inducing.
Its the back, looks like a whale. Everything else is perfect but the back kills it
It is quite hideous, yes, but not only does the Maserati rock cheap-ish hard-plasticy switchgear pulled from the Chrysler-Fiat corporate parts bin, but the trim and leather isn't up to snuff for anything wearing the trident badge, and the transmission is reportedly rather clunky when the throttle isn't wide open. Most importantly, the Quattroporte lacks the biggest selling point for most Maseratis: the high-revving, Ferrari-built, flat-plane crankshaft V8. These are just a few of the many reasons why the Quattorporte is cheaper. Its exciting, yes, but lacks the refinement, build quality, and motorsport pedigree of the Porsche
MrBingping panamera actually makes more sense to me than other sedans, because its made to look more like a supercar than a sedan
+Davis Dunlap I love Maserati, but all of your facts are sound and I agree with you. I would love to see Maserati get some air under its wings and be able to (re-)start building their cars with genuine quality and performance like they used to.
Nice cars; all three of them.
+MrBingping maserati is the true ugliest luxury sport car in the market
Why wear 2 watches at the same time?
Diego Maradona knows why ))
maserati?
Engine build by erol cenk not "conk" hehe
there is a beast call Mercedes Benz CLS63 AMG for people talking about PORSCHE GTS models Botha cars are equal what can I say I love both cars but I'll go for CLS 550amg
Title and Description wrong
why not Panamera turbo S ? I won't even watch the video.
Everethyng Panamera bast for me
funny he doesnt even know how to use sport traction in the cls63
1:40, was that a sexual reference....
You better check out this mate: 3:17 - I laughed so hard when I heard that 😁
He has a crush on her
what straight man does not have a crush on her?
You can’t beat Merc
There’s no use in trying
Hey what if you put the name porsche correctly? It sounds funny porshe.... like saying mersedes cls ang lol
The Panamera is The old One. 😒
Why did you not compare the CLS with the
Panamera Turbo?? Terrible Review Fifth Gear!
because there would be too big of a price difference. why can't people understand this???
Light Yagami The average person just doesn't decide to buy one of these cars because they saved enough money. Most people buy cars like these because they are filthy rich. And chances are that if they can buy a GTS, more than likely they'll afford a Turbo as well. It all boils down to what the rich want.
Light Yagami Yeah, but from a horse power standpoint, it would have been a much more accurate test. Although, even with the Panamera Turbo, the Benz would still have an h.p. advantage.
I think the GTS should be faster than the CLS - driver error
panamera turbo! duh.
The Audi RS6 would make a shame of the cls 63 amg anytime. Quote me!
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FI v NA pointless comparison
I think UK women probably eat a lot of sausages.
Hand worked.. What a piece of shit of a lie. Keeping in mind how many AMG cars are out there then half the working men in Germany should work at Mercedes-Benz. And second hand built is another name for junk and unreliable. What made cars reliable and secure and all the same was the robots and automation in general.
I drove both the panamera and the 911 and no. They are not the same. Panamera is a junk
Take the merc over the Porsche its hideous
The Porsche is ugly, the CLS looks drop dead gorgeous
pesimo
I love Porsche but panamera is fugly
Porshe
it should have been the panamera turbo or turbo s
too big of a price difference between the two then
nforspeed91 they compare zr1s to Ferraris all the time around the track, and even though the Ferrari cost 3 times as much, the vette always rwins.. obviously a panamera with 424 hp vs the benzes 548 is going to be slower. the turbo would have been a more compelling test.
MB is all about a name. The Audi RS6 would make the cls 63 amg a shame. Quote me!
The Panamera Turbo S would make the CLS lose, and so would the RS7.
Maybe in the past when the CLS was rear wheel drive. Now that the CLS 63 AMG S model is here with more power, you're quite wrong. The Audi will lose because it's slower, heavier, and less powerful. I will admit it could either way with the Porsche because it's only less power and weighs less, but it has a torque disadvantage.
More powerful and all wheel drive