PvZ Heroes is Getting Balance Changes!!???

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  • Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
  • My reaction to every data-mined PvZ Heroes balance change
    Pvz Heroes Pvz Heroes Plants Vs. Zombies: Heroes (ok, now the dumb UA-cam algorithm likes me)
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  • @ConfusionUwU
    @ConfusionUwU 20 днів тому +2617

    pvzh devs got scared that fry would move to bloons card storm so they finally started making an update

    • @FryEmUpGaming
      @FryEmUpGaming  20 днів тому +754

      lmaooo

    • @iiamiizzyy
      @iiamiizzyy 20 днів тому +361

      LOL popcap is like that one ex that hates to see you move on but was treating you HORRIBLE during the relationship lmaoo

    • @thegatlingpeayt
      @thegatlingpeayt 20 днів тому +14

      Facts lol

    • @TwilightChomperEnthusiast
      @TwilightChomperEnthusiast 20 днів тому +46

      That’s exactly what I said on-stream lol

    • @fabiovenegas9331
      @fabiovenegas9331 20 днів тому +7

      ​​@@iiamiizzyy EXs, literally

  • @Obsructor2
    @Obsructor2 20 днів тому +1083

    This felt like 2 people making balance changes, 1 was drunk and the other was genuinely trying to balance, they looked at fry’s tier list and just looked at f,d,a and s tiers and never heard why they were good/bad.

    • @megatyxg
      @megatyxg 20 днів тому +131

      there actually were two people that did these balance changes lol, check out rcch's post

    • @echris10sen
      @echris10sen 19 днів тому +30

      They probably were assigned to a dead project and are doing their best to do something. It'll get better if they continue to help it out

    • @snowpools8498
      @snowpools8498 19 днів тому +7

      @@echris10sen Yeah if they actually try, I'm sure it could go well with community feedback

    • @DJ_Wolfy5
      @DJ_Wolfy5 18 днів тому +6

      that is actually somewhat close to what happened. There was one person that made the balance changes, they were all stupid, and there was another person that had good balance idea. But only a few of those good ideas made it through as the person with the dumb balance ideas had control over it.

    • @spand9043
      @spand9043 18 днів тому

      You really have to keep in mind that ability changes were not included. Dumb stuff like the bean counter nerf are probably counterbalanced by a buff to it's ability (maybe it gets +2 stats now) that we just don't see on this graphic. We need to wait and see

  • @Mafaka2000
    @Mafaka2000 20 днів тому +1361

    Puff shroom costing 1 sun should be illegal

    • @MohamedShalabni
      @MohamedShalabni 20 днів тому +279

      Completely destroying his gimmick from the first game by making him cost sun

    • @allenparker2113
      @allenparker2113 20 днів тому +180

      ⁠​⁠@@MohamedShalabniyes the whole point of puff shroom was it was something you could play for free while producing sun and building your defense during night time levels because sun doesn’t fall

    • @condoslime776
      @condoslime776 20 днів тому +151

      Now it's just a worse shroom for two, shellery and garlic. It's hilariously bad.

    • @toyohimeyeswatatsuki6917
      @toyohimeyeswatatsuki6917 20 днів тому

      Now it's just Button Shroom with a team up​@@condoslime776

    • @bluerhyno2710
      @bluerhyno2710 20 днів тому +36

      If they want to nerf cob cannon nerf cob cannon not puff shroom

  • @Neomia_04
    @Neomia_04 20 днів тому +729

    SWIMMER CHANGES IS GAME CHANGING, I'M IN FEAR!

    • @Teapotman2
      @Teapotman2 20 днів тому +11

      It only affects swimmer if you play it dry tho

    • @pierre1069.
      @pierre1069. 20 днів тому +87

      no, it's a game changer! f tier to SS​@@Teapotman2

    • @toxic_shr00m
      @toxic_shr00m 20 днів тому +14

      ​@@pierre1069.Nerf moving it to top tier is real

    • @anmspafan7855
      @anmspafan7855 20 днів тому +26

      Does one less damage now if Pecanolith is on the field, making it less likely to kill Spudow's Grapes of Wrath and accidentally hit yourself. What a practical and useful change!

    • @ycrhzhangzhong9819
      @ycrhzhangzhong9819 20 днів тому +5

      ​@@Teapotman2exactly omg this card is top tier now I'm shaking in my boots

  • @averg6261
    @averg6261 19 днів тому +154

    The year is 2032. PvZ Heroes has collapsed into a state of madness. Every ranked match is between plants and Smash Pets, and Pets always win. The number of homeless Guardian Pacakage users rises exponentially. Budget-Aggro Solar Flare players have united with Grass Knuckles players, taking to the streets in violent protests, constantly being silenced by Teleport-Mechasaurs. Rumors have that an underground faction of 1-Cost Puff Shrooms and Weenie Beanies plan to overthrow the superior Pet deck government.

  • @Catitude1719
    @Catitude1719 20 днів тому +445

    28:22 Synchronized Swimmers nerf is so massive that it might single-handedly change the entire meta😭

    • @gamermikemain111
      @gamermikemain111 20 днів тому +67

      guys we forgot that it cant be played into total eclipse now!!!

    • @maeno7076
      @maeno7076 19 днів тому +34

      Noooo it will die in trapper territory😭😭😭

    • @Grievous_Nix
      @Grievous_Nix 19 днів тому +19

      Noooo it's now destroyed by missile madness splash

    • @poto2826
      @poto2826 19 днів тому +18

      Destroyed by Conga 😭😭😭

    • @gamermikemain111
      @gamermikemain111 19 днів тому +6

      also haunting ghost is gonna be silly

  • @MohamedShalabni
    @MohamedShalabni 20 днів тому +391

    The janitor is a zombie main fr

    • @yourgoodolunclejoe2894
      @yourgoodolunclejoe2894 20 днів тому

      Clearly not if he buffed Mayflower. Bro has a thing for amphibious plants, but why buff Mayflower 😭

    • @simpingforangelica6519
      @simpingforangelica6519 19 днів тому +1

      😂

    • @axeltheinternetsweeper8082
      @axeltheinternetsweeper8082 19 днів тому +22

      In his defense there is a janitor zombie

    • @Grievous_Nix
      @Grievous_Nix 19 днів тому +32

      @@axeltheinternetsweeper8082 a CUSTODIAN zombie!

    • @kairuhikari1475
      @kairuhikari1475 16 днів тому +4

      ​@@axeltheinternetsweeper8082Dont call him a janitor! He's a SPACE CUSTODIAN and he's darn proud of it

  • @legoamazervsgames1032
    @legoamazervsgames1032 20 днів тому +297

    My thoughts on some balance changes:
    -If puff-shroom goes up to 1 cost, it instantly removes its entire purpose. Puff-shroom is supposed to be the iconic 0 cost, but now it’s kinda worthless.

    • @harraz7632
      @harraz7632 19 днів тому +13

      some

    • @highlander2620
      @highlander2620 19 днів тому +15

      I find dumb that they nerfed puff shroom but not shroom for too as well.

    • @strav8337
      @strav8337 19 днів тому +10

      Just doesnt make sense as a nerf anyways. Better off straight up removing it than adding another 1-1 1 cost no useful ability card. All other team up plants outclass it now

    • @fishyfishyfishy500akabs8
      @fishyfishyfishy500akabs8 19 днів тому +7

      @@highlander2620also if cycle cap was a problem I feel like the unblockable bullseye thing that deals damage to face at the low low cost of placing a puff shroom down is the problem

    • @fishyfishyfishy500akabs8
      @fishyfishyfishy500akabs8 19 днів тому

      @@strav8337 I feel like a better nerf would be to remove bullseye or increase astro shrooms cost while slightly upping HP

  • @lilzek8701
    @lilzek8701 18 днів тому +42

    This is the first time puffshroom wasnt free in any plants game 😭

  • @TwilightChomperEnthusiast
    @TwilightChomperEnthusiast 20 днів тому +417

    The good, the bad, and the OH MY GOD WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT of PvZ Heroes.

    • @HoverMelon2000
      @HoverMelon2000 20 днів тому +37

      1/1 bean counter 💀
      I’m just hoping that the text of the card was changed to be three weenie beanies or something…

    • @Itsjustatheorythatthisismyname
      @Itsjustatheorythatthisismyname 20 днів тому +9

      All of these 1 hp cards are going to make nibble a lot better, also how was your 4th of July twilight?

    • @yourgoodolunclejoe2894
      @yourgoodolunclejoe2894 20 днів тому

      Cough *Mayflower* Cough

    • @DoubleDuck2
      @DoubleDuck2 20 днів тому

      I'm losing brain cells from the synchronized swimmer change

    • @12bjorn34
      @12bjorn34 20 днів тому +4

      2/1 Swimmer is the most hilarious nerf 😂

  • @carterbeane795
    @carterbeane795 20 днів тому +312

    Dude, I’m just hyped to final see something change in literal years

    • @yourgoodolunclejoe2894
      @yourgoodolunclejoe2894 20 днів тому

      Unless those changes involve Mayflower getting buffed

    • @Tacoman4655
      @Tacoman4655 19 днів тому +7

      No real. Even if the changes are bad, just seeing a shift in the meta would be great to see.

    • @brownskelition6462
      @brownskelition6462 18 днів тому +1

      Agreed

  • @Ryniano
    @Ryniano 19 днів тому +40

    The views and interaction with this video just shows how much people want more content

  • @zemufinman1639
    @zemufinman1639 18 днів тому +24

    The puffshroom change is baffling. The only change they should have made is that it should fade away and die at the start of the plants next turn like in PVZ2

  • @justinmelendez9875
    @justinmelendez9875 19 днів тому +50

    The 4-brain difference between leftovers and monster mash is crazy

  • @nou653
    @nou653 18 днів тому +30

    Fry is the only person that can get stream sniped even in fucking google docs lmao

  • @nacl4988
    @nacl4988 19 днів тому +24

    I like the part where they buffed Cheesecutter by making Leftovers and Coffee way better

  • @i.yukimuraa.bahamut6685
    @i.yukimuraa.bahamut6685 20 днів тому +231

    Keep in my that all the buffs and nurfs affect reincarnation and leaps too

    • @thebucketheadgaming
      @thebucketheadgaming 20 днів тому +83

      Bad Moon Rising can't make Garg Throwing Imp anymore

    • @deleted-something
      @deleted-something 20 днів тому +1

      What

    • @TwilightChomperEnthusiast
      @TwilightChomperEnthusiast 20 днів тому +51

      @@thebucketheadgamingAll things considered, I think that’s a good thing.

    • @fabiovenegas9331
      @fabiovenegas9331 20 днів тому +9

      ​@@thebucketheadgaming now BMR decks are coming to be Tier 1.5 decks, Brainstorm is now an scarier hero, but still dies easily to aggro.

    • @Ben-fp2yc
      @Ben-fp2yc 20 днів тому +14

      @@fabiovenegas9331 aggro is non existant

  • @dav_0395
    @dav_0395 20 днів тому +236

    "How much do you want the zombies to better than plants?"
    Devs: yes

  • @Pudding404
    @Pudding404 20 днів тому +212

    Never would I expect tf2 and pvz heroes getting noticably updated, not only in the same year, but within the spam of a few months.

  • @gamean5873
    @gamean5873 20 днів тому +36

    Something very interesting is happening to this game, with the recent changes to the app, different pack events, new daily challenges and now possible balancing changes
    It seems like they are putting a little effort in the game, maybe to see if there is still interest in the game in order to fully continue development (though it could also be one dude in popcap that was a little bored)

    • @aaronconvery
      @aaronconvery 20 днів тому +13

      The Janitor finishes his shift early to sneak onto the popcap computers to make some secret changes

    • @Azurethewolf168
      @Azurethewolf168 15 днів тому

      What new pack events and daily challenges? Pretty sure those are all reused

  • @BorisGamingChannel
    @BorisGamingChannel 20 днів тому +138

    As FlowerMan said, these changes probably were not finished and ability or text changes could come, that would explain changes like 1/1 bean counter (like it would get +2+2 per bean maybe). I still wouldn't get some of the changes though, like for example what text would make the 8/8 mechasaue change make sense?
    Either way though I'm really hyped for the changes.

    • @idkwhattonameopentosugge-ng6cm
      @idkwhattonameopentosugge-ng6cm 20 днів тому +23

      maybe instead of having a dino roar it will spawn a zombie per turn (that would cut its swarm value by a large margain)

    • @BorisGamingChannel
      @BorisGamingChannel 20 днів тому +38

      @idkwhattonameopentossuge-ng6cm yeah I did think about that, but I would REALLY dislike that change, the card would be less fun and it wouldn't fit the dino theme which would suck

    • @maestrojogaming2126
      @maestrojogaming2126 20 днів тому +2

      Big brained

    • @HoverMelon2000
      @HoverMelon2000 20 днів тому +13

      Yeah I’m pretty sure that bean counter’s text HAD TO have changed to warrant the stat nerf

    • @sergioterenzi8236
      @sergioterenzi8236 20 днів тому +4

      ALSO maybe exploding fruitcake will deal 5 damage to even it with sizzle OR sizzle will deal 4 damage to even it with exploding fruitcake 💀

  • @aaronconvery
    @aaronconvery 20 днів тому +49

    Developers: Makes leftovers 1 cost
    Monster Mash: Am I a joke to you?

    • @DoubleDuck2
      @DoubleDuck2 20 днів тому +17

      More like, Monster Trash

    • @gamermikemain111
      @gamermikemain111 20 днів тому +14

      monster mash a 5 cost card: leftovers a 1 cost card that synergizes with pet decks

    • @BigForAHedgehog
      @BigForAHedgehog 19 днів тому +11

      Lunchbox:

  • @tempus_excurrens
    @tempus_excurrens 20 днів тому +170

    And Cheese Cutter got an indirect buff. Now if you draw Leftovers as a Gourmet Card, it will cost 0
    And you always run Cheese Cutter in a Smash Deck.
    Imagine the madness of Cat Lady, Cheese Cutter, Flag Zombie, Teacher, Zoologist, Leftovers, Coffee Zombie, even King Zombie, in one freakin' deck.
    Because theyre all multi-synergetic with each other.

    • @yourgoodolunclejoe2894
      @yourgoodolunclejoe2894 20 днів тому

      That’s actually a very smart way to look at things.
      If only the devs were as smart when balancing Mayflower

    • @aaronconvery
      @aaronconvery 20 днів тому +24

      I'm taking notes rn, this would be a rather devious deck

    • @MakusinMeringue
      @MakusinMeringue 20 днів тому +3

      can't wait for otk leftovers

    • @tempus_excurrens
      @tempus_excurrens 20 днів тому +14

      @@aaronconvery Goat is now mega viable, it's basically like the Lil' Buddy + Pepper MD combo in the plants side but with Zoologist and Goat, Zoologist becomes so difficult to remove that it makes Goat so dangerous even as just a 3/1.
      Plus if you played Cat Lady on Turn 1, and then Zoologist + Goat on two, you have 3 threats on the board by turn 2, it's madness, they can't deal with all of them. And then there's Leftovers + another minion in turn 3, it's practically GG.
      Which slides in nicely with Secret Swimmer Combo as well.
      Whether it be Flag Swarm, Trick-Smash, Secret Swimmer, or a Pet Deck. The ramifications of these buffs sets up Beastly and Hearty to be the best early game domination classes.

    • @Timister0902
      @Timister0902 20 днів тому +2

      Leftovers should have been
      2 cost-
      Target zombie gets +2/+2
      All other zombies get +1/+1

  • @pea-c
    @pea-c 20 днів тому +140

    In my opinion most of these balance changes don’t make sense
    But I hope the game will still be playable for the plants

    • @imranhakiem6924
      @imranhakiem6924 20 днів тому +1

      Epic pfp

    • @poto2826
      @poto2826 19 днів тому +10

      Won't be. They killed plant side and zombies are OP now.

    • @DUXAbrawl
      @DUXAbrawl 19 днів тому +3

      yall always find something to complain about. DUDE ITS AN UPDATE AFTER 5 YEARS SHUT UP

    • @redr6107
      @redr6107 19 днів тому +13

      @@DUXAbrawl plants are literally unplayable, 30 plant nerfs and like 1 maybe 2 meaningful zombie nerfs. yall always get all the buffs even after 5 YEARS SHUT UP

    • @Notanegg.
      @Notanegg. 19 днів тому +3

      ​@@DUXAbrawlthey killed the fucking game man

  • @naveedulhassanmalik
    @naveedulhassanmalik 20 днів тому +66

    Conspiracy theory: popcap trying to automate the balance changes using chatgpt so they can fire the janitor

  • @Gustavo-po9bd
    @Gustavo-po9bd 20 днів тому +54

    Wait we got a new pvz heroes patch before GTA 6💀

  • @alechandro89
    @alechandro89 20 днів тому +31

    correction fry - this does not include any potential ability changes becuuse they haven't been found yet , not because there is 0 of them
    to be honest there could be 0 but either way we don't know yet
    for all we know they could be buffing bean counter ability wise but nerfing the stats
    ...hopefuly that is the case

    • @FryEmUpGaming
      @FryEmUpGaming  20 днів тому +34

      ability changes are unlikely because they are hard to code and can create bugs, maybe some 1's will be changed to 2's though, like bean counter

    • @alechandro89
      @alechandro89 20 днів тому +3

      @@FryEmUpGaming well yes
      That is in fact , an ability change , that's all that i meant xp

    • @spaghettiisyummy.3623
      @spaghettiisyummy.3623 18 днів тому

      ​@@FryEmUpGamingAlso, they might straight up add new cards.
      Very unlikely, but still.

  • @Viel_Glueck
    @Viel_Glueck 19 днів тому +10

    I honestly think they should've asked a few of the pvz heroes streamers to come up with balance changes instead of doing some random as buffs/nerfs.

  • @realleonardgibson
    @realleonardgibson 20 днів тому +52

    They should have nerfed synchronized swimmer to a 0 / 0

    • @MakusinMeringue
      @MakusinMeringue 20 днів тому +14

      NGL, that would be very nice. Make it a 0/1 before it copies the stats

  • @erikwikberg8049
    @erikwikberg8049 19 днів тому +5

    Molekale with mushroom grotto transforming all puff shrooms into 2 costs will actually be pretty fun

  • @PanPakapon
    @PanPakapon 19 днів тому +5

    It seems like most people in the comments are not realizing that these balance changes only show the changes to stats, NOT abilities. Cards like bean counter and puff shroom will likely get ability changes/reworks to make up for their bizarre changes

  • @alechandro89
    @alechandro89 20 днів тому +58

    one thingy - guardian isn't FULLY dead , because citron amphibius decks exist , and with these buffs do effect quite a lot of those cards so , countertron may fall , but citron may end up holding up the guardian class from being completely useless

    • @board-qu9iu
      @board-qu9iu 20 днів тому +8

      True. Citron Amphibious Marine Bean meta lol

    • @Blankspace-unrelated-to-song
      @Blankspace-unrelated-to-song 19 днів тому +1

      @@board-qu9iumore importantly the grabusters abilities

    • @board-qu9iu
      @board-qu9iu 19 днів тому +3

      @@Blankspace-unrelated-to-song yeah blockbuster and Forget me nuts hard carrying guardian

    • @poto2826
      @poto2826 19 днів тому +6

      Yeah. And Rose still playable too. They don't nerf Brainana or Dragon.

    • @spaghettiisyummy.3623
      @spaghettiisyummy.3623 18 днів тому +1

      Water deck.
      Ffs.
      Just gimmie my guardian package.
      I like it when the graves go boom.

  • @anmspafan7855
    @anmspafan7855 20 днів тому +12

    Leftovers becoming literally zombie version of the plant's Storm Front superpower is... something for sure. Hearty is definitely going to dominate after this. Nerfing Photosynthesizer to cost 2 instead of 1 makes a lot of frail answers like forget-me-nuts much harder to use to counter zombie trick spam, and black eyed pea can't handle tricks as well either. As a plant player I'm pretty unhappy that buffs were insignificant, and nerfs were pretty big to a lot of key cards. But at the very least, metas will finally shift around!

  • @QuetziPetzi
    @QuetziPetzi 20 днів тому +28

    The King and Battlecruiser getting 6 health possibly has something to do with Sizzle getting a massive buff

    • @roodog1
      @roodog1 19 днів тому +4

      No way they thought this far ahead based on these changes lol

    • @poto2826
      @poto2826 19 днів тому +1

      ​​​​@@roodog1 It's actually a pretty easy thing to realize. 3 cost that deal 5 damage? That would be broken by itself.

  • @HoverMelon2000
    @HoverMelon2000 20 днів тому +27

    I watched RCCH’s video about this and felt so terrible afterwards and didn’t want the patch at all, but then watching fry’s stream made me so much more excited for it! (Also his voice is MUCH less annoying).
    This patch alongside BCS betas and full game coming out soon means that fry will be making SO MUCH $$$!!! :)

    • @nathans7760
      @nathans7760 20 днів тому +7

      Fry has a really calm voice, yeah

    • @toast3374
      @toast3374 19 днів тому +7

      I'm glad someone feels the same way about rcch's voice

  • @Boonetube27
    @Boonetube27 20 днів тому +40

    Remember, there are also balance changes in the form of text coming, so maybe cards like bean counter will be better when it gets fully changed

    • @Blankspace-unrelated-to-song
      @Blankspace-unrelated-to-song 19 днів тому

      How do we know this will happen? The text changes i mean

    • @Boonetube27
      @Boonetube27 19 днів тому +1

      @@Blankspace-unrelated-to-song we don’t.

    • @Blankspace-unrelated-to-song
      @Blankspace-unrelated-to-song 19 днів тому +1

      @@Boonetube27 oh okay. I only said that because your comment made it sound definitive

    • @Boonetube27
      @Boonetube27 19 днів тому

      @@Blankspace-unrelated-to-song I mean there is definitely GOING TO BE text changes according to the devs themselves.

    • @chrisbraysstormlogs
      @chrisbraysstormlogs 19 днів тому +2

      My source is that I made it the f up

  • @danhatter6823
    @danhatter6823 19 днів тому +4

    Oh man! Look at all these changes! Anyway, I’m gonna go back to playing Wall-Knight heal decks with little to no conceivable difference.

  • @melvinthesuper194
    @melvinthesuper194 20 днів тому +77

    I really hope they do more then card changes. the game would blow up again if they added more cards or heroes

    • @Siristhisyourcar
      @Siristhisyourcar 20 днів тому

      Yes they need to add a new hero like Torchwood from garden warfare 2 :)

    • @UphillBridge
      @UphillBridge 20 днів тому +5

      @@Siristhisyourcarthey already have a tree hero I don’t think they’d add another one

    • @Siristhisyourcar
      @Siristhisyourcar 20 днів тому +7

      @@UphillBridge I forgot about him, what about a soldier hero?

    • @Wooltrack726
      @Wooltrack726 20 днів тому

      ​@@SiristhisyourcarThere is torchwood already in game bro.But no Captdead bread for exmple

    • @Siristhisyourcar
      @Siristhisyourcar 20 днів тому

      @@Wooltrack726 I just said I forgot

  • @birdogoose
    @birdogoose 20 днів тому +45

    They're preparing us for set 5. They worked really hard on it, it took them 5 years to perfect

    • @aaronconvery
      @aaronconvery 20 днів тому +39

      Jesus is more likely to return before they make set 5

    • @jeffbezos2960
      @jeffbezos2960 19 днів тому +5

      ​@@aaronconveryLmao

    • @axeltheinternetsweeper8082
      @axeltheinternetsweeper8082 19 днів тому +5

      Big bang might happen when set 5 dropped

    • @pef_v6107
      @pef_v6107 19 днів тому +3

      @@aaronconvery Jesus is set 5

    • @aaronconvery
      @aaronconvery 19 днів тому +2

      @@pef_v6107 Lol, his when destroyed ability is the Octozombie one in which he's but back into your hand so you could play him again, he's also got amphibious because he can walk on water

  • @Quasarel
    @Quasarel 18 днів тому +5

    It's weird how they nerfed almost every good plant card, but didn't do the same for zombies

  • @andrewdrost6786
    @andrewdrost6786 20 днів тому +28

    Its likely some of the cards also have ability changes that haven't been datamined yet. For example it's possible synchronized swimmer will only copy attack.

    • @Azurethewolf168
      @Azurethewolf168 15 днів тому

      Yeah, reminder that sets before weren’t finished until the very final version when it released. Abilities and costs gor changes a lot

  • @Andretti2Tone
    @Andretti2Tone 17 днів тому +9

    Someone please tell the devs to buff cattail and red stinger.

  • @purplevortexgaming
    @purplevortexgaming 19 днів тому +4

    Leftover is literally lunchbox but better now. I’ve thought about this nerf before this video and thought “ that would just make lunchbox horrible “ but if they made lunchbox 0 cost then I’d be happy. I think that’s a good chabge

  • @voidpumpkin2638
    @voidpumpkin2638 19 днів тому +7

    This patch has buffed summoning by a lot. As a control immorticia main, one of the biggest problems is haunted pumpking, and then summoning gets a 1 attack minion and I have to burn another card the next turn. All the 2 health agro cards being nerfed to one health is huge for summmoning and nibble, huge immorticia buff

  • @gapedandamazed6988
    @gapedandamazed6988 20 днів тому +113

    Blow gun imp getting a 1 health buff, kangaroo getting a buff, and primal wallnut getting a 1 health nerf is the biggest bruh moment I've experienced this entire decade. Like I'm not even exaggaerating.

    • @Ne_Ne_Vova_UA
      @Ne_Ne_Vova_UA 20 днів тому +30

      And 1 ho nerf to synchronised swmer XD

    • @toyohimeyeswatatsuki6917
      @toyohimeyeswatatsuki6917 20 днів тому

      They can make Synchronize Swimmer as 1/1 or 0/1, it still would be bruh​@@Ne_Ne_Vova_UA

    • @jasonthompson8732
      @jasonthompson8732 20 днів тому +9

      @@Ne_Ne_Vova_UAwhat’s even the point of nerfing it?

    • @Ne_Ne_Vova_UA
      @Ne_Ne_Vova_UA 20 днів тому +3

      @@jasonthompson8732 idk

    • @UphillBridge
      @UphillBridge 20 днів тому +15

      Don’t forget Bamboozle lmao

  • @imshutdownforever
    @imshutdownforever 20 днів тому +10

    Puffshroom nerf will completely ruin the card, honestly, even budget players won't have a reason to run it because of shellery and wallnut. Although, some people are saying that text/ability changes aren't shown here, so if it *does* receive some sort of buff via text it better be HUGE otherwise it will go straight from S tier to F.
    Cob Cannon had a long-awaited and well deserved nerf. Way too strong and its secondary ability just shreds big cards, removing all your tempo.
    Secret Swimmer's nerf proves that the people in charge of this balance patch have never played the game.
    Pogo's nerf is useless, it's still OP.
    Elderberry's nerf is fine, though it'll still be good.
    Haunted Pumpking doesn't deserve to go underneath four attack due to the fact that it does draw your opponent a card so it needs that high reward factor. 4/1 is balanced.
    Black Eyed Pea is surprising tbh, the card will most likely be very below average now and I see it struggling to even be included in control decks. Though it'll still work good with onion rings, 4/4 that punishes for a trick.
    Amphibious cards got buffed insanely. Seriously, try fighting the Final Boss Citron on Zombie missions, that dude's amphibious spam is already annoying enough, now that strategy has the potential to work in multiplayer. 4/4 Navy Bean also dodges wrath. Speaking of wrath.... goodbye wrath, hello Cakesplosion!
    The fact that Zombology Teacher + Hearty Treat spam didn't get nerfed in any way is disappointing to me, honestly. It's just too good with going viral as well. Although I'm glad they're trying to revive the bad hearty cards.
    Sizzle's buff is going to make it into the same problem as modern-day Cob Cannon. Way too powerful, especially for its cost. Lava Guava's buff is deserved. Kabloom is now an INSANELY great control class. Hm. Interesting. SEEDLING GOT BUFFED??!! Oh my.
    HAHAHHAHA, pathetic guardian package users are now going to find alternatives. Tricarratops meta is no more (I hope). Spikeweed might just be the worst plant environment now. Even force field will do more for its cost.
    Cosmic pea is still sad as usual. Pod father meta?? It survives beam me up and bungee.
    Mechasaur... is now the best late game card. Seriously. The fact that you can combine it with Gadget Scientist for an OTK is ridiculous, also. Unless they decide to change its text, of course.

    • @imshutdownforever
      @imshutdownforever 20 днів тому +1

      Keep in mind, this is my opinion. If you disagree, lmk why, I might even change my POV.

  • @passionecrusaders6659
    @passionecrusaders6659 20 днів тому +8

    Fry, what do you think about the disparity between the plant and zombie strengths now? Feels like the strongest plant strategy will likely be amphibious, with heal also maybe being viable (although it was nerfed through cob cannon)

    • @passionecrusaders6659
      @passionecrusaders6659 20 днів тому +3

      Just to clarify, what I meant by the zombie strength disparity is something others have pointed out :
      Some of the strongest plant strategies/classes were heavily nerfed, while some of the already-strong zombie classes (especially brainy and hearty) got massively buffed.

  • @mtgbudgetbrews
    @mtgbudgetbrews 14 днів тому +3

    new set coming next trust ( Ive only huffed 3 paint cans today)

  • @panelatermica8683
    @panelatermica8683 20 днів тому +10

    Finally bean counter got nerfed, this card alone is why I can’t go more than level 2 ranked🙏

  • @DrPootis
    @DrPootis 19 днів тому +16

    Cant believe leftovers is rain but for zombies now...

    • @gamermikemain111
      @gamermikemain111 19 днів тому +6

      synergetic rain at that lmao

    • @femurbreaker0
      @femurbreaker0 18 днів тому +3

      to think leftovers is a common card and rain is a super power card

    • @gamermikemain111
      @gamermikemain111 17 днів тому +2

      to the guy thats going to argue "well zombies cant run like 8 minions on board bro" well plants cant flag swarm + teacher

  • @nathans7760
    @nathans7760 20 днів тому +31

    WELCOME, to the new pvzh era! This is big, and just may revive the game.

    • @Pickup_LilBro
      @Pickup_LilBro 20 днів тому +15

      true, i see alot of people hating hard on the update, i think they are really ungrateful for an update on a game without updates for YEARS, so the fact that the game got an balance changes update might have a chance of getting content update

    • @nathans7760
      @nathans7760 20 днів тому +1

      @@Pickup_LilBro yeah, exactly

    • @matiasgeremia801
      @matiasgeremia801 20 днів тому +8

      ​​@@Pickup_LilBro They hate it because unless a good amount of abilities change it will most likely just be worse than it is rn. Some of the nerfed cards were strong, but they're also fun to play and it's sad seeing them killed (tricarrot is now worst legendary and 2 drop contender) and most of the buffs were random and pretty mediocre, if not bad.
      I'm glad we at least get content tho, we might get a good balance change if this receives a lot of backslash

    • @Pickup_LilBro
      @Pickup_LilBro 20 днів тому

      @@matiasgeremia801 agree

    • @josiahswanson1
      @josiahswanson1 20 днів тому

      Not quite, but almost… maybe… I’m not getting my hopes up

  • @jogugaga7121
    @jogugaga7121 20 днів тому +29

    I love the synchronized swimmer nerf so much.

    • @egwenealvereiscool7726
      @egwenealvereiscool7726 20 днів тому +3

      Its so weird that I think maybe it got an ability change that they havent found yet, idk whether that is possibe, but if synch swimmer only copied attack it would make more sense

  • @kade4435
    @kade4435 20 днів тому +5

    im so glad im alive to see my favorite mobile game get a meta change after 5 years😭😭😭

  • @DJBaphomet
    @DJBaphomet 20 днів тому +6

    Love how even in this datamined build, the Triassic set tag is still busted and shows the actual data tag instead of the normal set and rarity like with Galactic cards

  • @_Potato_
    @_Potato_ 17 днів тому +4

    How will this effect puzzle partys

  • @lamegamertime
    @lamegamertime 20 днів тому +5

    Winrate balance patches 🤢
    It's not just that they came back to patch the game (why...?) but if it's really based on winrate that's sad. Let it be known guys, do not do this.
    Edit: those changes are somehow worse than I expected

  • @waspsandwich6548
    @waspsandwich6548 19 днів тому +3

    29:40 This is hilarious and confirms your theory

  • @luigi64fan
    @luigi64fan 18 днів тому +3

    I'm convinced the buffs were by a crazy type zombie main. There are so many nerfs to plants that give them only 1hp. Zmech super and barrel got buffed from these changes for sure.

  • @zunkus-ec9gb
    @zunkus-ec9gb 20 днів тому +4

    Its worth noting that we still could see some ability changes, and also more stst changes since this was just found.

  • @nonrev5014
    @nonrev5014 17 днів тому +5

    Me who doesn’t play nor watch this game: *hmmm interesting*

  • @chunz8229
    @chunz8229 20 днів тому +11

    Wondering if any of these changes would grief puzzle party

    • @aaronconvery
      @aaronconvery 20 днів тому +3

      The one in which you team up a cob cannon with a 3 headed chomper will no longer work

    • @toast3374
      @toast3374 19 днів тому +3

      ​@@aaronconvery I mean the cheat solution would still be possible

  • @Uhalright
    @Uhalright 20 днів тому +25

    Imagine Cosmoss on turn 1 and then playing 3 hot lavas, and the opponent played something like an Imposter, or Leprechaun imp etc

  • @zemufinman1639
    @zemufinman1639 18 днів тому +2

    The glacta nerf is larger than you think because now they chain react into eachother way easier, now it only takes one dying to kill all of them

  • @mangostestes9371
    @mangostestes9371 20 днів тому +8

    Yeah comparing all the reactions from UA-cam, Fry is definitely one of the wisest one

  • @SamenPvz
    @SamenPvz 20 днів тому +32

    our prayers have finally come true!

  • @user-un3xp2wq8s
    @user-un3xp2wq8s 20 днів тому +10

    Someone from PopCap wanted to kill Grass Knuckles

  • @ValkTricksterHybrid
    @ValkTricksterHybrid 19 днів тому +3

    Hear me out, cryo brain, pogo, mug, zombot stomp, bad moon rising

  • @user-vg8sn6dy1r
    @user-vg8sn6dy1r 20 днів тому +10

    Dude the synchronised swimmer nerf is so dumb it’s on par with the BFN soldier zpg cooldown reduction from 24 seconds to 23.75 seconds

  • @CaptainWoopa
    @CaptainWoopa 20 днів тому +6

    Biggest plot twist of 2024

  • @Kingkool23
    @Kingkool23 20 днів тому +13

    51:44 You gotta remember that sizzle exists now

  • @danhatter6823
    @danhatter6823 19 днів тому +4

    I’m sorry, was Zapricot so meta-defining they had to nerf it?

  • @Annihilationzh
    @Annihilationzh 20 днів тому +6

    Fry says Turkey Rider will never be good. But it is a Smash pet. It has the pet synergy and Leftovers is now a great card.

  • @itsyaboijoemama697
    @itsyaboijoemama697 20 днів тому +8

    41:20 I know how, instead of being when your opponent draws a card deal 1 damage it should be end of turn deal 1 damage

    • @strav8337
      @strav8337 19 днів тому +1

      It would still be meta since conman is an early game card and not that much card draw happens early game, it is a nerf but wouldnt really change the card that much.

    • @itsyaboijoemama697
      @itsyaboijoemama697 19 днів тому +2

      @@strav8337 youve never played gardian package / cycle cap have you

  • @pokefan4472
    @pokefan4472 20 днів тому +4

    suggestion for kangaroo rider: make it a 4/4 gravestone that goes back into a gravestone when hurt.

  • @TwilightChomperEnthusiast
    @TwilightChomperEnthusiast 20 днів тому +33

    I will say that even if a lot of these changes are… questionable to say the least, it will change the meta enough for new top tier decks to be discovered and finally break us out of the monotony we were craving. Plus, we don’t know any of the ability changes yet, so we can look forward (which is generous) to that!

    • @HoverMelon2000
      @HoverMelon2000 20 днів тому

      Flowermanflower is the GOAT

    • @juliocesarfernandesrodrigu8110
      @juliocesarfernandesrodrigu8110 20 днів тому +5

      Tbf despite no changes in years players still find new meta decks, it's one of the least stale metad in my opinion when comparing to the amount of time with no changes.

  • @badrunna-im
    @badrunna-im 19 днів тому +3

    Spikeweed sector may suck as a control card, but it's kind of oppressive for tempo. It increases the threshold for chump blocking by a lot and a minion that would die to it usually just prevents you from blocking that lane that turn (outside of encrypt or some hearty cards or another environment) against a class with some of the most busted bulleye cards.

  • @rikoe6470
    @rikoe6470 20 днів тому +27

    Deep inside wishing popcap leaked this on purpose to get fry's reaction so they know what to actually do

    • @aaronconvery
      @aaronconvery 20 днів тому +4

      That would be smart, but they should've just asked Fry directly what exactly to do for each card

    • @Blankspace-unrelated-to-song
      @Blankspace-unrelated-to-song 19 днів тому +3

      @@aaronconverythat would lower their ego too much

  • @jlb0178
    @jlb0178 18 днів тому +2

    What I noticed is the decent budget cards got a huge nerf on both sides. Like Flemco and budget Solar flare.

  • @DanKira3003
    @DanKira3003 19 днів тому +1

    There is a really huge swarm deck buff in Hearty
    We can use Lost Colosseum or Flag Zombie on 2 and Con Man play on 3 in Z-mech deck with teacher and free leftovers

  • @endzor
    @endzor 18 днів тому +3

    They buffed bonus track Buckethead but didn't touch regular Buckethead:(

  • @sselinkaymak5721
    @sselinkaymak5721 18 днів тому +3

    i dont think a game left to rot for 5 years that gets an update as soon as their biggest content creator moves on is a coincidence.And they killed aggro solar flare.

  • @taghreedali1948
    @taghreedali1948 20 днів тому +23

    I love how Sham-rocket hasn’t even been nerfed once

  • @Lassoloc
    @Lassoloc 18 днів тому +1

    the fact that this game has a substantial update after so many years is monumental. i literally got so starved for new content that i started modding the game, and now they're actually throwing us a bone

  • @mangostestes9371
    @mangostestes9371 20 днів тому +4

    Really hope they touch Beta-Carrotina too tho, she really needed a buff in terms of superpowers. If i am the person who's coding it, i'd consider making lightning seeds "conjure 2 tricks that cost 3 or less", and making the ultimate summon the minion on the board.

  • @youngcatto9421
    @youngcatto9421 20 днів тому +6

    To quote sammichthesammich: "Abracadaver still dies to berry blast. Some things never change"

    • @strav8337
      @strav8337 19 днів тому +7

      Its a gravestone though so dying to berry blast isnt a huge concern

  • @blueslender2389
    @blueslender2389 6 днів тому +1

    Guys it’s impossible for all of the changes to be perfect. Let’s just appreciate that we might actually be able to mess around with new metas again

  • @Langel-wv8iq
    @Langel-wv8iq 19 днів тому +2

    Must do a Captain Combustible deck around Invasive Species, imagine this scenario:
    - Coffee Grounds on turn 2.
    - Invasive Species + Blazing Bark on turn 3 (16 damage on TURN 3!)
    - Time to Shine on turn 4 for the win.
    Only REAL answers on turn 4 are Pogo Zombie, Rocket Science, Dolphinado and Backyard Bounce. Anything else trades, is too situational or straight up loses the trade!
    Also just playing TEMPO on turn 4 after the combo (Repeat Moss, B-Rex, Split Pea, Podfather, Imitator) or CONTROL (Banana Bomb, Berry Blast, Sizzle, Banana Peel) would be INSANE pressure and no doubt, meta defining.

  • @superjijimouseyt1774
    @superjijimouseyt1774 19 днів тому +5

    Mechasaur being top tier would be so fun, I'd love to see rng being meta, also finally guardian package and solar getting nerfed is gonna make the game more fun probably

  • @lemonsnek9393
    @lemonsnek9393 20 днів тому +12

    No cowboy nerf, no significant nerf to Crazy Package, a lot of plants now have less hp. Hooooo boy

    • @aaronconvery
      @aaronconvery 20 днів тому +1

      Zombies needed a buff so bad; the plant side is terrifying to fight against

  • @JacobDellaRocco
    @JacobDellaRocco 19 днів тому

    woah this video has an end credits scene with leftovers very cool

  • @sweatyjesus6211
    @sweatyjesus6211 20 днів тому +4

    buffed the brainy class to the moon lol

  • @Pippy_period
    @Pippy_period 20 днів тому +5

    Holy! I can't believe this. I think The last balance change was in 2019.

    • @denz8ty648
      @denz8ty648 18 днів тому +1

      These are proposed 2020 balance changes tho lol, it only just got published

    • @Azurethewolf168
      @Azurethewolf168 15 днів тому

      @@denz8ty648then why didn’t they come out them

    • @denz8ty648
      @denz8ty648 15 днів тому

      @@Azurethewolf168 NDA signed

  • @supahbrainz6076
    @supahbrainz6076 20 днів тому +40

    Hoi, just to leave this here as a discovery one of my brothers made (it isn’t anything too surprising tho):
    A few weeks ago, my brother was playing a random match against a nightcap, had his planet of the grapes environment, and ran for some reason squirrel herder. When squirrel was revealed, it was able to remove the planet of the grapes environment, which was surprising for me, but made sense

    • @matthewbauerle7153
      @matthewbauerle7153 19 днів тому +4

      It’s the only way to kill an environment without replacing it I think.

    • @supahbrainz6076
      @supahbrainz6076 19 днів тому

      @@matthewbauerle7153 Maybe, unless another card has a function like that, but I don’t think so

    • @TerminatorZPG26
      @TerminatorZPG26 19 днів тому +4

      ​@@supahbrainz6076Technically Shovel Zombie, although it's a bounce, not destroying the environment

    • @supahbrainz6076
      @supahbrainz6076 19 днів тому +1

      ​​​@@TerminatorZPG26Yeah, at least its more useful his ability due to bouncing everything and not just the environment.
      But is interesting squirrel herder that is the only card that can actually remove an environment instead of replacing it.
      It's too situational and not worth it in a deck tho

    • @atomicwheeze8756
      @atomicwheeze8756 19 днів тому +3

      Squirrel Herder has always been able to do that

  • @yes_man2000
    @yes_man2000 19 днів тому +2

    I just wonder will they change certain daily challanges to match these changes?

  • @mtgbudgetbrews
    @mtgbudgetbrews 15 днів тому +1

    We are so back

  • @F1ayk_0_
    @F1ayk_0_ 20 днів тому +21

    pvz heroes found out that the word "update" exists several years later

  • @antusFireNova
    @antusFireNova 20 днів тому +3

    Sizzle buff is a big w

  • @EpicBattlegroundz
    @EpicBattlegroundz 20 днів тому +1

    Hey I was the guy that told you about stompadon triplicating combo. I thought about it for a sec and you could also add warlord to it

  • @deathboitechnobladeneverdi7918
    @deathboitechnobladeneverdi7918 19 днів тому +1

    42:26 1/3 ---> 2/2 interdiminsenal zombie 😂

  • @SimplySwifter
    @SimplySwifter 20 днів тому +34

    Instead of Electrician becoming a three strength, two health. It became a two strength, THREE health. Totally the opposite of what I thought was better, but survival is more easier and that’s always good. Same with Landscaper, though at the start I thought health was better anyway.

    • @FryEmUpGaming
      @FryEmUpGaming  20 днів тому +41

      honestly 3/2 would be way too strong imo, it could just be run as an independent aggro card at that point with no synergy

    • @fabiovenegas9331
      @fabiovenegas9331 20 днів тому +9

      3/2 Electrician would be one of the best cards of the game, it would kill like 90% of plants (even with health buff) and become a propper aggro card, I'd like that change because things cant be more broken than the 1/4 conman and bullseye blob meta, Super Brainz was busted unironically, but I'd like him to be strong again, coz he has two top tier superpowers and one which you never use.

    • @yes3410
      @yes3410 19 днів тому

      ​@@fabiovenegas9331agree 3/2 electrician would maybe make science the best strategy