To add to the conversation, remove Reverb/Delays and Hyper/DIMENSION Expanders before you start processing the sound. I always tell people that Reverbs/Delays are meant to showcase the sound, but do not use the REVERB/DELAY unless it's part of your process. Who likes the SERUM REVERB? NOT ME... As for the Mix portion I agree many preset makers make their sounds THIN, as fck and not practical. I use to do it as well until 2 years ago when I decided to change that due to the amount of competition in the field of sound design. THICK Sounds.... not Thin my friends. Good video as always from you guys!
putting the overdrive distortion after the reverb can help making the transitions between the distorted and quiet sounding parts of the signal smoother. idk if that matters for the style of that beat but i'd say especially if it's uncommon i would encourage it to be done more often to explore new directions of sound. maybe we can find a new genre that sits somewhere between dark tech and shoegaze in a cool way
This is pretty basic but yeah I guess total newbies… the biggest upgrade to my mix came when I realized that you want to saturate/clip/compress each bus or even individual tracks and max them before going through the master track so the limiter and whatever else is not overwhelmed. That was a huge upgrade to clarity and especially for a solid low end mix
I always do saturation/distortion BEFORE reverb and delay because, it doesn't ruin the stereo image, so let me clarifty this: a signal processed first with room denies you the opportunity to add more harmonics in the stereo field, saturation adds this harmonics, distorition just underlines this in the lows or low-midrange of a signal. So therefore, this way of processing makes more sense and you don't need to fiddle out the frequencies by running an equalizer over it, to see where you can boost, negate or reduce frequencies.
Since I come from electric guitar, all these things are taught through effect pedals, for which there is a "correct" order. I still love to experiment with sound, so using modulation behind delays, using a "reverb sandwich" on pads etc. is something I do a lot.
You can also use *send busses* for FX. Like one for the _delay_ and one for the _reverb_ for exempla. You then get separated delayed and a reverb sounds.
OMG, thank you so much for this tip. For a beginner this is extremely important as a safe starting point. Is there any video on your channel about these "best practices" for groups of elements wiht the same didactics?
Learned this a few years ago when I started learning different production techniques from different genres. In that case it was hardstyle and I took so much new wisdom from it so now I always experiment how the order of my processing chain can make my sounds special
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They are two different sounds, one is not wrong, unless you didn't intend to make it like that, which is what you say at the start the "have intention behind your actions/decisions". Distorting reverb/delays is a fun sound imo, and that or hard compression is exactly how you make certain sounds, short or gated reverb in to crunch. I'm not really much of self-learner, but this fx-chain order stuff was kind of obvious very early on. one way it sounded awful (because I didn't plan for it) and the other way sounded better, so I'm surprised if people actually struggle with this.
simplicity and interface, to be honest! i find the Xfer one to be wayyyyy easier to get to my intended sound. the ableton one gives a lot more options (attack/release times, and more) but it slows me down.
Yup! Usually towards the end…can be before or after spatial fx. Really depends on if you want the fx to have the exaggerated pump, or remain more stationary
Sends and returns are typically at the end of the chain. You will then see options of if you want to make your send/return pre fader, post fader, or post pan. This would just be where it falls in line relative to those three stages of your signal flow!
@@TheCosmicAcademy Ok so would it be beneficial to make them post fader or does it not matter? This has been something that has confused me since I started using sends
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They absolutely do! Everyone has a different background when self taught. Lotta times people can learn step 10 before learning step 1. And there’s a difference between using inserts and sends and returns. It shouldn’t be one or the other…you wanna use both! They each give you a different result to your sound!
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To add to the conversation, remove Reverb/Delays and Hyper/DIMENSION Expanders before you start processing the sound. I always tell people that Reverbs/Delays are meant to showcase the sound, but do not use the REVERB/DELAY unless it's part of your process. Who likes the SERUM REVERB? NOT ME... As for the Mix portion I agree many preset makers make their sounds THIN, as fck and not practical. I use to do it as well until 2 years ago when I decided to change that due to the amount of competition in the field of sound design. THICK Sounds.... not Thin my friends. Good video as always from you guys!
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Love the addition! 👊 and much respect for all you do for the producers out there
putting the overdrive distortion after the reverb can help making the transitions between the distorted and quiet sounding parts of the signal smoother. idk if that matters for the style of that beat but i'd say especially if it's uncommon i would encourage it to be done more often to explore new directions of sound. maybe we can find a new genre that sits somewhere between dark tech and shoegaze in a cool way
This is pretty basic but yeah I guess total newbies… the biggest upgrade to my mix came when I realized that you want to saturate/clip/compress each bus or even individual tracks and max them before going through the master track so the limiter and whatever else is not overwhelmed. That was a huge upgrade to clarity and especially for a solid low end mix
I second this, I learned that recently and so far so good. Still not quite as good as I wish it would be, though, but getting somewhere.
I always do saturation/distortion BEFORE reverb and delay because, it doesn't ruin the stereo image, so let me clarifty this: a signal processed first with room denies you the opportunity to add more harmonics in the stereo field, saturation adds this harmonics, distorition just underlines this in the lows or low-midrange of a signal. So therefore, this way of processing makes more sense and you don't need to fiddle out the frequencies by running an equalizer over it, to see where you can boost, negate or reduce frequencies.
people that play guitar or other instruments with pedals and Fx understand this well
Since I come from electric guitar, all these things are taught through effect pedals, for which there is a "correct" order. I still love to experiment with sound, so using modulation behind delays, using a "reverb sandwich" on pads etc. is something I do a lot.
This is hands down the best production video on the entire internet
♥️👊 muchhhh appreciated!!
I did not know about the serum FX separate plug-in so you can add back in the effect later in the chain. Thank you for sharing this!!
Happy it can help!! Every synth should do this!!
Idk why it replied from my own 😂
You can also use *send busses* for FX. Like one for the _delay_ and one for the _reverb_ for exempla.
You then get separated delayed and a reverb sounds.
Messing around with the upward and downward knobs in OTT is awesome when compressing reverbs ❤
it sureeee is!! compressing reverbs and even delays is an awesome effect!! ❤️👊
OMG, thank you so much for this tip. For a beginner this is extremely important as a safe starting point. Is there any video on your channel about these "best practices" for groups of elements wiht the same didactics?
So if it's a subjective thing how can one say this is wrong or right?
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Sorry had to do it with your name and all 😅
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Learned this a few years ago when I started learning different production techniques from different genres. In that case it was hardstyle and I took so much new wisdom from it so now I always experiment how the order of my processing chain can make my sounds special
Yessss!!! Once you learn “the rules”…it’s much easier to break em!! ♥️👊
I learned it all myself and got my Sound Engineering in 1998/99
98% of YT tutorials are 💩
If you use Ableton the Channel ‘Ableton in a Minute’ is the best out there.
They are two different sounds, one is not wrong, unless you didn't intend to make it like that, which is what you say at the start the "have intention behind your actions/decisions". Distorting reverb/delays is a fun sound imo, and that or hard compression is exactly how you make certain sounds, short or gated reverb in to crunch. I'm not really much of self-learner, but this fx-chain order stuff was kind of obvious very early on. one way it sounded awful (because I didn't plan for it) and the other way sounded better, so I'm surprised if people actually struggle with this.
This is literally the last sound processing or mixing tutorial to watch tbh for a beginner
Love it! Thanks for the tips 🙌🏽
Thank youuuuu!! 👊♥️
So much quality and style, I'm loving your videos!!!
why do you use the OTT plugin if you are using ableton?
simplicity and interface, to be honest! i find the Xfer one to be wayyyyy easier to get to my intended sound. the ableton one gives a lot more options (attack/release times, and more) but it slows me down.
This is greatly done video thx. Quickly helps producers fix bad mixes
Where do you put your sidechain compressor then? I usually do that towards the end of the chain.
Yup! Usually towards the end…can be before or after spatial fx. Really depends on if you want the fx to have the exaggerated pump, or remain more stationary
where would reverbs and delays stand if theyre being used as sends and not direct inserts? in terms of placement of plugins?
Sends and returns are typically at the end of the chain. You will then see options of if you want to make your send/return pre fader, post fader, or post pan. This would just be where it falls in line relative to those three stages of your signal flow!
@@TheCosmicAcademy Ok so would it be beneficial to make them post fader or does it not matter? This has been something that has confused me since I started using sends
@@TheCosmicAcademy Or does that only matter if you're doing volume automations?
very underrated techniques here, loved this video thank you 🙏
Can you please say, what the main leads instrument is called? 1:05
Don't waste time trying to learn alone, that is pure darkness and you may never get anywhere.
Learn from those who know, pay a professional.
Don't spend 8 hours around a loop.
Learn to discard it, or to accept and move on with something that is not 100% the way you wanted.
Everything has to be measured and effective from the beginning, the idear and direction as to be clear.
The samples have to be right.
Don't abuse the EQ, you will destroy the sound.
Try to work quickly but with intelligence.
Making serious music is not for everyone.
DON'T DO LIKE ME. I WALKED IN THE DARK FOR YEARS AND THEN I HAD TO GO TAKE A COURSE.
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Compressing reverb and delay noooo especially with ott
Thanks for this vid but there are others ways to not destroy your sound when processing it and it’s not so complicated . 😊
Valuable content , as always 🔥
Crunch the reverb for ambient music work quiet we’ll hehe
Thank you so much
You’re welcome! 👊♥️
Meduza always brake the rules
Of course…but you gotta know the rules to break em. Pretty sure they know em haha
I learnt this by myself cuz it felt right
your videos are fukn Dope! I had no idea I HAD THE SERUM FX plugin just sitting there all this time. lol, Thank you
Hahaha thanks! Happy you can now use it!! It’s such a sick concept…every synth should do it!!
This video was amazing!! I did not know you could use Serum FX in post processing! TYSM Zack :))
I’m always shocked how few people know about the serum fx plugin! It’s brilliant. Every synth should do the same! 👊♥️
Damn this is a game changer! Applied to my latest track and it basically fixed it lol. Thanks a lot!
Quality tips!!!
Thanks!! 👊♥️
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So people with years of experience make this mistake? Also, why not use sends? I thought this was basic stuff
They absolutely do! Everyone has a different background when self taught. Lotta times people can learn step 10 before learning step 1. And there’s a difference between using inserts and sends and returns. It shouldn’t be one or the other…you wanna use both! They each give you a different result to your sound!
How about of those with over 25 years of experience? Or are you talking only to those with 5-10 years exp? 🤭
Hahahaha can be any / everybody! 👊♥️
When you stop learning, you begin to die... My over 25 years of experience are nothing if I stop learning! 😉
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Hahahha love it!! Happy we can help!!
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