yoo bro i been watching your vids for bout a year now. on my own songwriting journey, i jus wanna say that ur vids have helped me a lot :) hope to see more from u
The channel is exactly what I was looking for, you explain things in a very structured way and get to the point quickly without all the blah blah that you get in hour-long videos from artists where they always end up saying the same thing that you already know anyway . Thank you very much!
Your Norwegian Wood example actually illustrated something else that was really cool. The melody is a descending scale against a pedal tone, at least for two notes. The pedal tone shows up on the second beat of the phrase.
Very very good. I wrote songs professionally for about six years. Now I’m able to write for fun and enjoy it much more. What you offered is very good advice; something that songwriters need to realise is that one can have the talent to write lyrics and/or melodies, but one has to “go to school“ and learn the rules to become a craftsman. The rules can be broken once learned, and being a craftsman doesn’t mean you never write a bad song - it just means that you know when you have written a bad song. Now it is out of the way and ready for the next hit… And the parts of the previous “bad song” can be pilfered and used in the new one. Good job. God bless and keep up the good work. 🎸👨🏼⚕️. 🫶✌️♾️
I'd like an album by album song list of Beatles songs that fit this motif because a GREAT majority of their songs DO NOT follow this motif AT ALL. In fact, I am amazed at how they spent endless hours trying, and succeeding, to write great melody lines that had way more than 3 notes to them.
Man, I stumbled upon your channel today and became I try to write songs which is easy but good lasting melody and ideas are harder than it seems I love your ideas 💡!!!! You have great ideas im a dude in the piny woods of East Texas 😅 And all my favorite musicians are British The Beatles PINK Floyd ELO The Moody Blues 🎉❤
Cheers Don, I'm glad you got some value from it. The real secret to writing good melodies is to write a lot of them, so keep going my friend. I'll be putting out a video about how to find ideas for melodies soon👍
Great video :) bit confused by point 2 on the motifs section - what do you mean they move mostly by steps making them easy to sing? By 'steps' I'm assuming you mean the notes are close together and only move around by a couple of intervals?
The Norwegian Wood example is called a "sequence" and I did a video demonstrating a bunch of Beatles' songs and others that use them, feel free to reference any part of it for a future video if you wish!
@@SongWritersChopShop Noooo I'm sorry you felt that way. Your videos are great! Yours are the only songwriting videos my minescule attention span can tolerate. 😅
I don't know if the Beatles were thinking the same way as he analyzes it, "ah ok, this is 3-4 notes, find the balance for repetition, etc. You could ask Paul McCartney or Ringo coz they're still alive or watch them talk about it. Example is Ringo:s Come Together as he explains it.
Has anyone noticed that the introduction to Michelle has the same structure or pattern as that of Strawberry Fields? Also, the cadence at the end of each verse in Strawberry Fields is the same cadence used in Let it Be. Or is it just me...
That sound has never ever appealed to me, no matter how hard I have tried to like it. However modern artists' renditions (soundtrack: I am Sam) make me wanna cry. It is only then that I discover the magic of Beatles' songs.
McCartney often said when he sat down at the piano to write he basically just had a " black hole " in front of him . He would find a chord he liked and build on it . On other occasions the melody ' just came to him ". ...? His " genius " was probably down to a brain wired differently to the rest of us. ? It seems the only explanation . But , the rest of us non geniuses can still succeed in writing SOMETHING memorable ...It's only a 3 minute song . How hard can it be....??? 😂😂
I started writing songs almost as soon as I learnt to play the guitar at 15. Your analysis is extremely interesting. Im still not sure if melody writing can be learned.
Cheers Gary, glad you got some value from it. Some things in songwriting can be learnt and some can't. Things like music theory & poetry techniques certainly can be learned but how you turn that information into inspiration is something everyone has to figure out for themselves. Really they're tools of expression, but the thing that you're expressing is yourself, and no one can teach you to be yourself 👍
Even though I'm not a huge Beatles fan I certainly recognize their talent for song writing. If I could a song half as good as their biggest hits I'd be a multi-millionaire. Having said that, I really dig your videos. I've found some of them to be very helpful in my writing efforts.
How many hit songs have you written? Have any of your songs been played on mainstream radio? Have you ever signed a recording contract or publishing deal? Have any of your songs been licensed for use in advertising, TV or film?
well, I had a song break the top 10 in the Irish charts back in the early 2000s and had a lot of fun going on national t.v. and promoting it abroad, I've worked as a professional musician up until 2019 (I had to stop playing live due to a back injury). Soon after releasing that song my aspirations for commercial success quickly faded as I was making a living from being a musician and just found it way more fun to write for my own gratification. What I do on this channel is share what I've learned from years of studying good songwriting so I can share it with anyone who does have commercial aspirations in "the music biz".
Look at the thumbnail for this video. Who is the arrow pointing to?....our boy here is giving us a big clue to who the only songwriting genius was in that band. Subtle, but nicely done! Didn't Harrison complain that he couldn't get his songs on the records? Truth is, the Lennon/McCartney myth had to be preserved at all times. The further clues were in the post Beatles songs.... Even John said later ''I don't believe in Beatles'', and about McCartney... something like: How do you sleep all you ever wrote was ''Yesterday'' Did he even write that. It's quite complex for an untrained musician?? They were a manufactured pop band like nearly every other band of that era. They just had better funding than any others. When that decade was over they'd done their job and the project was wound up. Woodstock and the demise of the Beatles was the end of the 60s...now for hard rock/metal, glam, punk etc. and various other ''movements''. PS I admire The Beatles music - The Blue album was my first purchase - about 50 yrs ago. The songwriting craft was outstanding. Skilled people who could read music and understood theory and had days on end to just write for the project without distraction.
If applying a recipe for amazing memorable melodies was enough Executives could do it without artists AI does it now. But the most crucial element is missing. The soul of the individual human being .the artist. His capacity têt go and being inspired Without even knowing what he is doing
What if I don't care how many streams I get? See, measuring it by popularity isn't all that wondrous. When I think of the crap they used to pump out at us on top 40 in the 60's and 70's, it makes me cringe. Example: Dizzy by Tommy Roe. There are billions of people who simply don't feel music. They choose music that other people do, whether it's vapid or painful makes no diff to them
First Boy Band They didn't write their own songs especially in the beginning Rubber Soul Revolver No way! Tavistock Social engineering tool is what the Beatles were
The Beatles reshaped the musical landscape nothing new today is really new in terms of music we are all just using the tools they left behind to achieve a similar result yes others came before but The Beatles did it best.
All I'm doing here is picking out patterns I see in songs and sharing them with anyone who's interested. I never claimed to be "so smart" and I've only had 1 song in the Irish top 10 a few years ago. I'm just sharing tips, you can take it or leave it. It literally makes no difference to me. Have a great weekend and thanks for the comment. It helps get this video pushed out to more people 👍
There was actually a formula used in the 60s, 70s for pop music. Intro, chorus, hook and verse all had to happen within a certain number of bars and most could not exceed “x” amount of time. I learned this while attending a music college in LA back in the 70s. The course featured speakers who had written hits, managed famous bands and also some members of these same bands, it was eye opening, and it made me quit trying to be a success in the music industry.
Truth is they didn't write them all. It would be impossible to go from a covers band to virtuoso writers in a range of styles in 8 years, They apparently wrote and recorded 200 songs in that time-period - while being the biggest pop stars on the planet. At best they brought some little ideas to be fleshed out by the pro songwriters. In my life - written by people who admit they had no music theory training?? Harrison excepted, the others' solo stuff was bang average. Did they suddenly lose these skills you talk of? If these are learnable skills then they'd get better wouldn't they?. Is Max Martin getting worse or better?
Wtf a u talking about? It is well documented the history of the songwriting, making process of their albums and songs, etc., in fact, they're the most documented artist of all time, among other more things. Just do not lie about facts. That's all
You must be a younger person because the beatles definitely wrote their own songs . I can even tell who wrote what. The system you are talking about is whats going on today with people like Taylor Swift where she has 10 people writing one song . Max Martin is successful but he will never right a song like the Beatles . His songs are 2 to 3 chords and note very complex melodies . Assembly line music a hit today forgotten tomorrow , otherwise known as disposable music .
Hello, thanks for the shout-out. I wrote most of the Beatles' songs from 1966 on. They were all composed on a kazoo and played on a tuba and recorded to tape. I'd post the tapes to George Martin who would arrange the songs with help from Tiny Tim 😉
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Just about every Beatle melody is pleasing to my earballs.
How did you get footage of me buttering my toast with a screwdriver?
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Wait until you find out about the other footage of you using a screwdriver we have that UA-cam censored. It almost got the channel banned
yoo bro i been watching your vids for bout a year now. on my own songwriting journey, i jus wanna say that ur vids have helped me a lot :) hope to see more from u
Cheers luvpio, glad to hear that and there's plenty more to come👍
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Really enjoy this video. Thanks for the insight.
Cheers Tres, I really appreciate it. 👍
Always great stuff Lemon!
Nice one lighthouse👍👍
The channel is exactly what I was looking for, you explain things in a very structured way and get to the point quickly without all the blah blah that you get in hour-long videos from artists where they always end up saying the same thing that you already know anyway . Thank you very much!
Cheers Cheikh, much appreciated and I'm glad you got some value from it.👍
Your Norwegian Wood example actually illustrated something else that was really cool. The melody is a descending scale against a pedal tone, at least for two notes. The pedal tone shows up on the second beat of the phrase.
Just Love your Vids Tony - really appreciate all the sassy quick fire editing - as well as your complete passion for songwriting. Mucho Thanks. :)
Thanks so much Richard, great to hear from you.👍
This is really clear and very helpful - many thanks 🏴
Good stuff Keith, glad you got some value from it 👍
Very very good. I wrote songs professionally for about six years. Now I’m able to write for fun and enjoy it much more. What you offered is very good advice; something that songwriters need to realise is that one can have the talent to write lyrics and/or melodies, but one has to “go to school“ and learn the rules to become a craftsman. The rules can be broken once learned, and being a craftsman doesn’t mean you never write a bad song - it just means that you know when you have written a bad song. Now it is out of the way and ready for the next hit… And the parts of the previous “bad song” can be pilfered and used in the new one.
Good job. God bless and keep up the good work.
🎸👨🏼⚕️. 🫶✌️♾️
Cheers John, and I could't agree with you more.👍
great video !! thanks and keep them coming
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Finally the UA-cam algorithm has suggested a fantastic upload. Subbed and ready to deep dive your channel. 👍
Cheers Mike, great to have you here 👍
I'd like an album by album song list of Beatles songs that fit this motif because a GREAT majority of their songs DO NOT follow this motif AT ALL. In fact, I am amazed at how they spent endless hours trying, and succeeding, to write great melody lines that had way more than 3 notes to them.
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You’re smoking rocks kid. No way you believe this. Go listen to Rubber Soul straight through. If you still deny it, you didn’t understand the concept.
@@WickedHill Specify the songs.
@@MarriedMindless If you need me to specify songs for you, that means you don’t even understand the concept.
@@WickedHill Not a good response. I can read music and play guitar and piano.
Love you’re videos man! Sending thanks all the way from cork boiii x
Cheers Doug, really appreciate it man 👍
Man, I stumbled upon your channel today and became I try to write songs which is easy but good lasting melody and ideas are harder than it seems I love your ideas 💡!!!!
You have great ideas im a dude in the piny woods of East Texas 😅
And all my favorite musicians are British
The Beatles
PINK Floyd
ELO
The Moody Blues 🎉❤
Cheers Don, I'm glad you got some value from it. The real secret to writing good melodies is to write a lot of them, so keep going my friend. I'll be putting out a video about how to find ideas for melodies soon👍
This is very clear and practical advice that I can use immediately. Excellent. Thank you!
Nice one Andrew👍
thanks a lot, keep on!! cheers from Argentina.
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Great video :) bit confused by point 2 on the motifs section - what do you mean they move mostly by steps making them easy to sing? By 'steps' I'm assuming you mean the notes are close together and only move around by a couple of intervals?
didn't make sense to me, either
Yep that's exactly what I meant Frances.
You’ve outdone yourself
Too kind and much appreciated 🫶
this guy will help you actually make better songs lol
Cheers Skyler
YES ! Now WRITE THOSE SONGS!!!!
@@rawkinj6609 👍
What’s the lol in that?
@@Playsinvain that's what got me!
“Lemon🍋” 😜 - glad you're back! 🎉
Cheers Lilo, good to be back 👍
Great lesson, thanks! And nice Lemon🍋
Much appreciated Gary 👍
gorgeous video sir !!!❤ all the way from South Africa please keep making videos !!!!🇿🇦
Thanks so much Jean Claude, and will do 👍
I’m loving this
Music to my ears man, cheers👍👍
Such helpful tips, thank you!
really helpful, thanks!
Thanks for sharing your wisdom on songwriting Tony. Lemon🍋
Nice one Patrick and thanks for watching 👍 Lemons forever🍋🍋
Awesome ! Thank you!
Cheers iain, great to hear you got some value from it.👍
Good stuff! Got me thinking about a Shaggy Rule to go along with it. :)
Thanks guys, much appreciated. A Shaggy Rule, why didn't I think of that! you have to share it with me.
The Norwegian Wood example is called a "sequence" and I did a video demonstrating a bunch of Beatles' songs and others that use them, feel free to reference any part of it for a future video if you wish!
Cheers man, really appreciate that.
Can you do one of theese on Nirvana particulary Kurt Cobains guitar parts and vocals and krists bass parts
Where are those "next" videos to watch that you are "pointing" to? A link would have been more helpful.
Thanks for letting me know. That is youtube doing that, not me. Are you watching on a mobile device? Anyway, I've stuck the link in the description.
Thank you so much! :) I appreciate it.
gold ! Thank you sir. Why the 8 month break ?
Cheers Tt, good to hear from you. It was a combination of burn out and distain for the direction the platform is heading 😂
@@SongWritersChopShop Noooo I'm sorry you felt that way. Your videos are great! Yours are the only songwriting videos my minescule attention span can tolerate. 😅
@@francesprendergast1721 thanks so much Frances, it means a lot 🙏
I don't know if the Beatles were thinking the same way as he analyzes it, "ah ok, this is 3-4 notes, find the balance for repetition, etc. You could ask Paul McCartney or Ringo coz they're still alive or watch them talk about it. Example is Ringo:s Come Together as he explains it.
Most sincere apologies I don’t know why I posted that comment. You do fantastic work. I send a like 👍 I will subscribe🌹
Dude, you can't just drop a big turd in the middle of a room without explaining yourself! Why do you think it's rubbish?
No worries falcon 👍
Has anyone noticed that the introduction to Michelle has the same structure or pattern as that of Strawberry Fields? Also, the cadence at the end of each verse in Strawberry Fields is the same cadence used in Let it Be. Or is it just me...
That sound has never ever appealed to me, no matter how hard I have tried to like it. However modern artists' renditions (soundtrack: I am Sam) make me wanna cry. It is only then that I discover the magic of Beatles' songs.
F’n brilliant!!!
Cheers Ryan 👍
Great video! Truly appreciate your work 🙏. Lemon🍋
Nice one Spencer 🍋👍
McCartney often said when he sat down at the piano to write he basically
just had a " black hole " in front of him . He would find a chord he liked and
build on it . On other occasions the melody ' just came to him ". ...?
His " genius " was probably down to a brain wired differently to the rest of us. ?
It seems the only explanation . But , the rest of us non geniuses can still
succeed in writing SOMETHING memorable ...It's only a 3 minute song .
How hard can it be....??? 😂😂
I’m mesmerized…
being a repetition of one note only, is the chorus to All You Need Is Love a melody?
Cycle of 4ths !!
One of the easiest tricks is modal interchange to momentary minor like in Penny Lane and just about every single tune they ever wrote.
I started writing songs almost as soon as I learnt to play the guitar at 15. Your analysis is extremely interesting. Im still not sure if melody writing can be learned.
Cheers Gary, glad you got some value from it. Some things in songwriting can be learnt and some can't. Things like music theory & poetry techniques certainly can be learned but how you turn that information into inspiration is something everyone has to figure out for themselves. Really they're tools of expression, but the thing that you're expressing is yourself, and no one can teach you to be yourself 👍
If this guy knows all the tricks, why hasn’t he recorded dozens of hits? What’s with that bathing cap?
This channel will turn me into the next Rick Nowels
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what's with the lemon?;
It's an inside joke. You'd have to sign up to my news letter to get it. 🍋
"Penny Lane is in my earballs and in my eyes..."
Even though I'm not a huge Beatles fan I certainly recognize their talent for song writing. If I could a song half as good as their biggest hits I'd be a multi-millionaire. Having said that, I really dig your videos. I've found some of them to be very helpful in my writing efforts.
Great to hear Gavin and very much appreciated 👍
Get back .. Get back .. Get back to Tony where I belong!
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How many hit songs have you written? Have any of your songs been played on mainstream radio? Have you ever signed a recording contract or publishing deal? Have any of your songs been licensed for use in advertising, TV or film?
well, I had a song break the top 10 in the Irish charts back in the early 2000s and had a lot of fun going on national t.v. and promoting it abroad, I've worked as a professional musician up until 2019 (I had to stop playing live due to a back injury). Soon after releasing that song my aspirations for commercial success quickly faded as I was making a living from being a musician and just found it way more fun to write for my own gratification. What I do on this channel is share what I've learned from years of studying good songwriting so I can share it with anyone who does have commercial aspirations in "the music biz".
little darlin' +Maybe Baby by Buddy Holly
Arrangements!!
The secret is REPETITION OF MELODIES
Look at the thumbnail for this video. Who is the arrow pointing to?....our boy here is giving us a big clue to who the only songwriting genius was in that band. Subtle, but nicely done! Didn't Harrison complain that he couldn't get his songs on the records? Truth is, the Lennon/McCartney myth had to be preserved at all times. The further clues were in the post Beatles songs.... Even John said later ''I don't believe in Beatles'', and about McCartney... something like: How do you sleep all you ever wrote was ''Yesterday'' Did he even write that. It's quite complex for an untrained musician??
They were a manufactured pop band like nearly every other band of that era. They just had better funding than any others. When that decade was over they'd done their job and the project was wound up. Woodstock and the demise of the Beatles was the end of the 60s...now for hard rock/metal, glam, punk etc. and various other ''movements''. PS I admire The Beatles music - The Blue album was my first purchase - about 50 yrs ago. The songwriting craft was outstanding. Skilled people who could read music and understood theory and had days on end to just write for the project without distraction.
The band being out for like 40 yrs helps too with lots of streams.
I don't think Spotify was that big in the 70s. Jk 👍
@@SongWritersChopShop lol this was a good informative video!!
@@jcreature11 much appreciated, thank you. Glad you got some value from it 👍
If applying a recipe for amazing memorable melodies was enough
Executives could do it without artists
AI does it now.
But the most crucial element is missing.
The soul of the individual human being .the artist.
His capacity têt go and being inspired
Without even knowing what he is doing
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There was a ghost writing team doing the work.... please look into the work of Mike Williams (Sage of Quay) and Mark Devlin for starters.....
Ear-balls!!😄
Beethoven's 9th Symphony is based on a children's song a few bars long.
👍👍 thanks jane
I need to buy some butter
“Lemon🍋”
Good man Conor👍
Keep in mind they had 20 #1 hits...but could have had 40 if they had released many album tracks as singles.
What if I don't care how many streams I get? See, measuring it by popularity isn't all that wondrous. When I think of the crap they used to pump out at us on top 40 in the 60's and 70's, it makes me cringe. Example: Dizzy by Tommy Roe. There are billions of people who simply don't feel music. They choose music that other people do, whether it's vapid or painful makes no diff to them
The video isn't really about getting streams. It's about recycling melodic motifs to create a coherent melody for a song. 👍
I think songwriting is a much more intuitive process and doesn’t require all this foresight. In other words it comes out naturally
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consider it broke-n down!
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Lemon🍋
Nice one rich👍👍
" Scoobie Doo ' and " Scrambled Eggs ".. .....?? 😂
Earballs ??
This guy looks like Merle from twd if he discovered music
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Kidding aside. Thanks for your content, very useful! More power to you 🙌
@@doydoidoiino worries man 👍
I don't really like to stick things in my ear balls. It feels....wrong,somehow.
Most pop in the charts has utterly shit melodies, why pretend it doesn’t?
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First Boy Band
They didn't write their own songs especially in the beginning
Rubber Soul Revolver
No way!
Tavistock
Social engineering tool is what the Beatles were
I know eye-balls. But what on earth are ear-balls?
Who is this guy and what has he written ?
If it was this easy AI could do it. It can't (so far).
As many tricks as you can learn will not help. The Beatles had something called Talent - in fact they were geniuses.
Why would anyone listen to you and your negativity?
They were excellent yes but obviously other people have talent too.
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The Beatles reshaped the musical landscape nothing new today is really new in terms of music we are all just using the tools they left behind to achieve a similar result yes others came before but The Beatles did it best.
Errr...what are "ear balls", exactly...? 😆
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“Ear balls”?
If you can have eye balls why not ear balls?
I Hate the approach
If the goal is billion streams
Art is not going to be at the meeting point
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earballs? lol
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Yakkkk Yakkkk Yakkkkk.......on and on....
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"Never throw out a good idea", not the most enlightening advice hahah
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There's no tricks ffs, wake up man!
" The Beatles were the most plagiarizing band in music history." - Paul McCartney
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Today's "music" is crap.
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If you're so smart where are YOUR hit records?
All I'm doing here is picking out patterns I see in songs and sharing them with anyone who's interested. I never claimed to be "so smart" and I've only had 1 song in the Irish top 10 a few years ago. I'm just sharing tips, you can take it or leave it. It literally makes no difference to me. Have a great weekend and thanks for the comment. It helps get this video pushed out to more people 👍
BS, writing songs is a stream of consciousness. Period. Few very few exceptions. How to do it? Lol
Tell that to Max Martin
Hi mate ... What ?
What?
How to make a video using this trick: keep it short. Go straight to the point. Stop going around.
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Nowadays kinda songs are all horrible. People care about beats. Ridiculous
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Stop helping the robots.. Writing is intuitive - the Beatles didn’t think about any of this. It’d be weird if someone analyzed my songs like this.
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There was actually a formula used in the 60s, 70s for pop music. Intro, chorus, hook and verse all had to happen within a certain number of bars and most could not exceed “x” amount of time. I learned this while attending a music college in LA back in the 70s. The course featured speakers who had written hits, managed famous bands and also some members of these same bands, it was eye opening, and it made me quit trying to be a success in the music industry.
@@MrPhotonjockey That's NOT a formula. That's the general structure of pop music. I see why you quit the music business 🤣
@alandaviddaly
VERY GOOD VIDEO MY FELLOW IRISH FRIEND, I HAVE TO SAY I REALLY ENJOYED. CHEERS ALAN
Thanks a million Alan, glad you got some value from it. 👍
This video is completely senseless. If your a genius song writer than you can write genius songs…
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No your rong
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Truth is they didn't write them all. It would be impossible to go from a covers band to virtuoso writers in a range of styles in 8 years, They apparently wrote and recorded 200 songs in that time-period - while being the biggest pop stars on the planet. At best they brought some little ideas to be fleshed out by the pro songwriters. In my life - written by people who admit they had no music theory training??
Harrison excepted, the others' solo stuff was bang average. Did they suddenly lose these skills you talk of? If these are learnable skills then they'd get better wouldn't they?. Is Max Martin getting worse or better?
Wtf a u talking about? It is well documented the history of the songwriting, making process of their albums and songs, etc., in fact, they're the most documented artist of all time, among other more things. Just do not lie about facts. That's all
Obvious troll is obvious.
This is such a ludicrous take I don't know where to begin
You must be a younger person because the beatles definitely wrote their own songs . I can even tell who wrote what. The system you are talking about is whats going on today with people like Taylor Swift where she has 10 people writing one song . Max Martin is successful but he will never right a song like the Beatles . His songs are 2 to 3 chords and note very complex melodies . Assembly line music a hit today forgotten tomorrow , otherwise known as disposable music .
Hello, thanks for the shout-out. I wrote most of the Beatles' songs from 1966 on. They were all composed on a kazoo and played on a tuba and recorded to tape. I'd post the tapes to George Martin who would arrange the songs with help from Tiny Tim 😉
"But wait a minute...The Beatles are old school..." Yeah, and they still get a billion streams after all this time, lol.
Great content here
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