I am a psychodynamic therapist in private practice, I’m so grateful for you sharing your knowledge and experience. It’s absolutely brilliant and invaluable ❤
Cracking into maturity is what I call one's own ability to wonder if if you are LYING to yourself. That to me was the door opener. I never realized that people do this to themselves, constantly. I forget what it was that gave me the the shock that I could do such a thing! Most of us believe that whatever we say, or think, is true. (I was not in therapy.)
When I began my 1st analysis in my 20's, I was delusional. Not paranoid delusional, just garden variety delusional regarding life, in general. My psychiatrist was in training to become a psychoanalyst. I doubt that I could have understood what Don elucidated in this video, until many years later, and I know that my assigned psychiatrist could never have described the psychoanalytic process, at all. A training psychiatrist and a delusional analysand are definitely a poor fit. Anyone thinking about psychoanalysis best understand this superb video prior to the commitment. When understood, you will jump start your analysis and can begin the process with confidence.
This makes me think of a walk through thick jungle, the first part laborious and slow, in the dark, with heavy luggage. Then gradually reaching a clearing, light, seeing the sky, stopping, thinking, surprised. Then, in time, continuing into the second part of the jungle, lighter, seeing fresh greenery, a colourful bird, small things crawling in the moss, sounds, smells, eyes widening with every step. Somehow everything got easier, truer, clearer. Almost like magic, but of course not magic. The result of a careful, thoughtful, regular, studious, at times difficult, intriguing, puzzling, process in which two travel together, mainly for the benefit of one of them, but both gaining. A rare privilege indeed. Thank you so much.
Brilliant, Don! You’ve dissected, if you will, the key movements of in-depth psychotherapy. Yes, there is a structure and it CAN be described, in spite of the unfounded accusations of authoritarianism by some post-modern critics. And the link of the therapeutic process with critical thinking and the higher degrees freedom that ensue is so appreciated and clear! Thank you for another great lecture!
Thank you for sharing another way to think about and use Klein's positions. Could you speak about how to facilitate the shift from PS to D and judge the best timing for it, or point me to your other relevant videos?
Thanks Don for sharing your insights, brilliant. Much appreciated! Just to add that the movement from one phase to the other reminded me of the ability of person being able to triangulate or to tolerate being in a three rather than a two!! People who operate more in the paranoid schizoid realm generally can’t tolerate being in a three. Just felt it important to mention. Follows Ron Britton ideas.
Shane, yes, the move from PS to D opens up triangular space and what Piaget called formal operational thinking, the ability to think about my thinking, which involves a triangle: the thinker subject, the thoughts that I am thinking about, and the separation between the thinker and the thoughts. Yes, Ron Britain has written insightfully about this.
Don Carveth thanks Don. I really like the idea regarding thinking about thinking. It got me reflecting on what are the important factors that facilitates the move from ps to d. I suspect Freuds and Kleins ideas around mourning and loss are key ingredients.
Patient Feeling Persecuted. Stage 1. PS. Primitive. Good vs Bad. No ambivalence. Splitting. Projection. Paranoia. Persecuted by the objects. Persecutory anxiety. By others. Or by oneself. Sabotaging oneself. Shame. Guilt. Unhappy. Tormented. The patients way of looking at things. Patient painting pictures of their life. Patient painting pictures of the analyst. Patient interpreting the analyst. Distortion. Patient's phantasy. Beliefs. Assumptions. Analyst must hold the idea and the picture shared by the patient tentatively. Analyst calling things into questions to reduce untruths. To get closer to patient's truths. Phantasy. Unconscious fantasy. Mistaken for reality. Delusion. Captured by own phantasy. Automated. Little thinking involved. Coming into the present. Stage 2. RP. Freeing patient of their past. Becoming capable of thinking. Capacity to sit in mysteries. And uncertainties. Tolerating not knowing. Questioning self. Accepting vulnerability to errors and mistaken beliefs. Towards emotional maturity. Change. Freedom to think anew. Not imposing the structure of the past on the present.
i didn't understand why the second phase, where the analysant becomes conscious of his delusion and unconscious fantasy, is called the "depressive/reparative" phase : is it because in this phase, the analysant should let down the satisfaction he was drawing from the fantasy, even if he was suffering from this delusion? - but i don't know klein theory at all.
In my recent book I speak of some of the problems in Kleinian theory. Suffice it here to say that in D reality testing is greatly enhanced. This has nothing to do with depression. It has to do with overcoming narcissism and becoming more aware of and concerned for the other.
@@jftierdor4605 if you listen to Professor Carveth's intro to Melanie Klein lecture series he goes into more depth on this.. He explains that the depressive position is more about depressive anxiety (see also Winnicott's capacity for concern) than depression. For Carveth, any depression that really deserves the term is one where the person feels themselves to be all-bad, i.e., they are splitting, and thus in the paranoid-schizoid position. (And if you want to go further, you can find the text that they're working with in those lectures, Hanna Segal's Introduction to the Work of Melanie Klein, on the internet archive library (you'll need Adobe Digital Editions (free, you just have to sign up with an email address) and the borrowing limit is 14 days))
I am a psychodynamic therapist in private practice, I’m so grateful for you sharing your knowledge and experience. It’s absolutely brilliant and invaluable ❤
Thank you very much, you are most welcome
Don, I just want to say that I love you. Watching your videos has become one of my favourite activity . Thank you!
Thank you!
Cracking into maturity is what I call one's own ability to wonder if if you are LYING to yourself. That to me was the door opener.
I never realized that people do this to themselves, constantly. I forget what it was that gave me the the shock that I could do such a thing! Most of us believe that whatever we say, or think, is true. (I was not in therapy.)
A new camera! Wonderful! (even before listening to the entire video)
Thanks for encouraging me to get one.
When I began my 1st analysis in my 20's, I was delusional. Not paranoid delusional, just garden variety delusional regarding life, in general. My psychiatrist was in training to become a psychoanalyst.
I doubt that I could have understood what Don elucidated in this video, until many years later, and I know that my assigned psychiatrist could never have described the psychoanalytic process, at all. A training psychiatrist and a delusional analysand are definitely a poor fit. Anyone thinking about psychoanalysis best understand this superb video prior to the commitment. When understood, you will jump start your analysis and can begin the process with confidence.
This makes me think of a walk through thick jungle, the first part laborious and slow, in the dark, with heavy luggage. Then gradually reaching a clearing, light, seeing the sky, stopping, thinking, surprised. Then, in time, continuing into the second part of the jungle, lighter, seeing fresh greenery, a colourful bird, small things crawling in the moss, sounds, smells, eyes widening with every step. Somehow everything got easier, truer, clearer. Almost like magic, but of course not magic. The result of a careful, thoughtful, regular, studious, at times difficult, intriguing, puzzling, process in which two travel together, mainly for the benefit of one of them, but both gaining. A rare privilege indeed. Thank you so much.
Very well put, thanks.
Brilliant, Don! You’ve dissected, if you will, the key movements of in-depth psychotherapy. Yes, there is a structure and it CAN be described, in spite of the unfounded accusations of authoritarianism by some post-modern critics. And the link of the therapeutic process with critical thinking and the higher degrees freedom that ensue is so appreciated and clear! Thank you for another great lecture!
Thank you Racquel
Thank you for all this content. Greetings from Greece.
Thank you, most welcome.
Excellent presentation! Thank you!
Thanks
This is very helpful for improving comprehension of psychoanalysis as well as my English ~
감사합니다♡(Thank you in Korean ^ㅡ^)
Good, you’re welcome.
Thank you for sharing another way to think about and use Klein's positions. Could you speak about how to facilitate the shift from PS to D and judge the best timing for it, or point me to your other relevant videos?
I think the series of four videos on Melanie Klein would be best.
Thanks Don for sharing your insights, brilliant. Much appreciated!
Just to add that the movement from one phase to the other reminded me of the ability of person being able to triangulate or to tolerate being in a three rather than a two!! People who operate more in the paranoid schizoid realm generally can’t tolerate being in a three. Just felt it important to mention. Follows Ron Britton ideas.
Shane, yes, the move from PS to D opens up triangular space and what Piaget called formal operational thinking, the ability to think about my thinking, which involves a triangle: the thinker subject, the thoughts that I am thinking about, and the separation between the thinker and the thoughts. Yes, Ron Britain has written insightfully about this.
Don Carveth thanks Don. I really like the idea regarding thinking about thinking. It got me reflecting on what are the important factors that facilitates the move from ps to d. I suspect Freuds and Kleins ideas around mourning and loss are key ingredients.
Yes, loss of omnipotence among others.
Patient Feeling Persecuted. Stage 1. PS. Primitive. Good vs Bad. No ambivalence. Splitting. Projection. Paranoia. Persecuted by the objects. Persecutory anxiety. By others. Or by oneself. Sabotaging oneself. Shame. Guilt. Unhappy. Tormented.
The patients way of looking at things. Patient painting pictures of their life. Patient painting pictures of the analyst. Patient interpreting the analyst. Distortion.
Patient's phantasy. Beliefs. Assumptions.
Analyst must hold the idea and the picture shared by the patient tentatively.
Analyst calling things into questions to reduce untruths. To get closer to patient's truths.
Phantasy. Unconscious fantasy. Mistaken for reality. Delusion. Captured by own phantasy. Automated. Little thinking involved.
Coming into the present. Stage 2. RP. Freeing patient of their past.
Becoming capable of thinking.
Capacity to sit in mysteries. And uncertainties. Tolerating not knowing. Questioning self. Accepting vulnerability to errors and mistaken beliefs. Towards emotional maturity.
Change. Freedom to think anew. Not imposing the structure of the past on the present.
Yes
@@doncarveth Thank you Dr Carveth :)
Thank you!
Let´s translate your book to Portuguese...
Good idea
i didn't understand why the second phase, where the analysant becomes conscious of his delusion and unconscious fantasy, is called the "depressive/reparative" phase : is it because in this phase, the analysant should let down the satisfaction he was drawing from the fantasy, even if he was suffering from this delusion? - but i don't know klein theory at all.
In my recent book I speak of some of the problems in Kleinian theory. Suffice it here to say that in D reality testing is greatly enhanced. This has nothing to do with depression. It has to do with overcoming narcissism and becoming more aware of and concerned for the other.
@@doncarveth thank you for your answer, this helps.
@@jftierdor4605 if you listen to Professor Carveth's intro to Melanie Klein lecture series he goes into more depth on this..
He explains that the depressive position is more about depressive anxiety (see also Winnicott's capacity for concern) than depression. For Carveth, any depression that really deserves the term is one where the person feels themselves to be all-bad, i.e., they are splitting, and thus in the paranoid-schizoid position.
(And if you want to go further, you can find the text that they're working with in those lectures, Hanna Segal's Introduction to the Work of Melanie Klein, on the internet archive library (you'll need Adobe Digital Editions (free, you just have to sign up with an email address) and the borrowing limit is 14 days))