Sorry if you answered this somewhere else ,but how much does a stock affect accuracy on its own? How much improvement should I expect from restocking say a savage axis or ruger American.?
I get this question often, and I'm curious myself. I plan to test various states of stock on the upcoming 12FV build project. First, the plastic stock. Second, a laminate stock. Third, with the laminate stock bedded. It will be difficult to do a true apples-to-apples comparison, but I want to see what happens.
Different positions and bipod loading on a poor stock can change your point of impact drastically. A superior stock will shoot more similarly position-to-position. A stiffer stock will be less affected by different bipod loadings, meaning how hard you are pushing against the bipod. Ergonomic changes, such as getting a cheek weld, will remove parallax error and help you be more consistent. So for example, if you always shoot offhand at the same range in the same conditions, it may not matter at all. If you shoot prone with a bipod, or are trying for extreme accuracy, it may be very beneficial. It's hard to quantify, because under perfect conditions and with an extremely consistent shooter, there may not be enough difference to justify the expense. A journeyman shooter will see an accuracy increase in a good stock over a tupperware stock common on budget rifles today. I consider it difficult to get an Axis or American to shoot much better than MOA with the OEM stock. However, these modern actions and barrels are good, and I would expect much better with a stiffer, more ergonomic stock in the types of shooting I do. For me, it's huge. I have one rifle in an aluminum chassis that I fire prone, and the largest group it has given me at 100 yards, during load development, was 0.26" and most groups are around 0.10-0.13". I would not be able to pull that off with a flimsy stock, without a solid cheekweld, etc. Everything has to be right for me to do anything like that. To me, going from 1 MOA to 0.25 MOA is a huge improvement, and I'm willing to pay for it.
Interesting anecdote from me. I have a weatherby vanguard series 2 6.5 creedmoor with a flimsy stock. I had more than a 2moa height difference in impact when I attached a bipod. After I filled it with fiberglass, glass bedded it and free floated it, the difference disappeared when attaching the bipod. I would definitely recommend upgrading stocks or filling in the synthetic stocks since they are flimsy, flex and twist.
I performed a crude test to get a ballpark of what kind of accuracy a stock upgrade might give: ua-cam.com/video/oh_K_eVNcKs/v-deo.html It's on a Tikka T3 and it's using Core Lokt ammo, but I think there is still something to be gleaned from it.
From a savage axis or ruger american, your rifle will probably not bcome anymore accurate. Those are both modern rifles, with cheap, but well made stocks that shouldn’t change your rifles harmonics in varying positions or climates. You, on the other hand, will likely be able to shoot the rifle better due to a more ergonomic stock that is adjusted to your ideal length of pull, cheek riser height etc. if you went and grabbed grandpa’s 1970 rem 700 and put this stock on it, then the rifle itself would likely shoot better because old school stocks put pressure on the barrel and action.
Just finished my install this past weekend on the At 1 thumb hole stock. Lighter than expected and install was easy. Yet to fire the firearm since installing but first impression is very good. Installed on Ruger American 6.5 CM for my wife’s deer rifle. Also we got the laser engraving of the deer skull on it. If you order one please do yourself a favor and order the metal trigger guard at the same time. It’s a nice upgrade and it will ship with the gun stock and one shipping cost.
What a great and thorough review of this particular stock. The sound quality of the voice and the pace of which you present the material is fantastic. I really have to look at this a little bit closer for myself. Thank you for putting so much time and attention to make a video of this quality.
I'm very interested in this Boyd's At-One due to the ability to swap from prone bits to offhand bits, the optional long LOP hardware, the adjustability, and their huge selection of inlets. I am in love with the CZ 527 and they offer stocks for it. Fantastic.
Thank you for this video! My dad ordered one of these and we were struggling with the butt stock button as no matter how hard we pressed it wouldn't go, watching this video I was able to confirm that the button was meant to be pressed in and just needed to be broken in. He used a small hammer to tap the button and it worked!
Glad you like that stock. I bought one for my 1022. I won't call it junk, but it's not far from that. I don't care at all for all the sharp angles all over it, you referred to them as creases. On mine, wherever plastic and wood mate up there are gaps, some as much as 1/8 inch. The adjustable parts. . . They have never broken in the way you claim they will. I have taken them out and lightly sanded the obvious rubbing points, lubricated them, still it's a two handed operation to get them to move. When they do move, you're just as likely to yank it out as to have it move to where you want it.When they are collapsed all the way the buttons are not in their natural flush position and if you move them so the buttons are flush you end up with a huge gap. And here's the kicker -- They shipped it with the wrong escutcheon installed. When I was finally able to reach their customer service, they basically said they'd mail me the right one. Fix it yourself. After all that, I admit it does look nice. From a distance.
Did you notice as I did that the length of pull adjustment was short.? Meaning, that max length of pull when adjusted as far out as possible was about 14 1/2”. Which is where I’m at. So if your length of pull is longer you may want to order accordingly from Boyd’s. Thanks for the review! It swayed me to choose this stock for a Mauser 98 in 30-06. Love it so far.
I came to within a hairs breadth of buying an At One Stock, but brought a Choate tactical stock instead, as it was slightly cheaper and I didn’t have to wait 6 weeks to get it. The Choate tactical stock isn’t as modular but it does have a full length aluminium bedding block with a wide beaver tail fore end and a vertical pistol grip. So far it’s performing very well, my Remington 700 SPS tactical is now grouping just under .75 MOA
The weak area of the rear action screw split. you can see in the pictures. I had this stock for 30 days. During that time I bedded the front action screw and area. Because I did this, which only strengthens the stock, they will not warranty where the glue came lose on the lamination. "modification to the stock voids warranty" I had to modify it just to get the gun to fit in it and let the bolt go forward. Then I bedded it. Not happy and will never buy another one.It is a very nice looking stock, if you plan on not improving it, Bedding or pillaring. go for it. If you get the thumbhole stock, have very long fingers, or be prepared to kick your arm out to reach the trigger properly.
I am glad i saw this review. The deal was killed when I learned the LOP adjustment went from 12" to 14". I am 6 foot 6 my Lop is 16" my wife is about 13" lop and she is 5 foot 4 inch's tall. 12 is an extremely short lop!!! That's shorter than the lop on youth rifles. Standard LOP out the door is about 13.75. I will order my stock custom lop cut
You can buy a longer butt extender on their accessories page. That plus a thicker pad should get you to 16". It adds a fair bit to the price, though.
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Absolutely beautiful stock. Which makes for a beautiful rifle especially if the Stocks fits meaning fits the shooter then it become is a true pleasure to shoot. Very nice
I picked one of these up for my savage and officially gave up on it today and boyd's as a company. I was very disappointed when I got it and the LOP didn't adjust out to as long as the OEM stock. The stock only adjusts out to a "youth" size and the minimum size is for a baby or possibly a mouse. That is an exaggeration, but what isn't is the atrocious build quality. The aluminum rods on the LOP adjustment are hollow and threaded. They broke when I checked to see if they were locked in place. The wood on the sides of the actions is about 1/8" thick. I should measure it. I figured I could break it with finger pressure and I was right. One side delaminated and the other snapped in half. $250 down the drain. Before fiddling with it, I asked Boyd's for the extended version of the LOP adjuster as their advertisements were dishonest. They advertised the stock as suitable for magnum calibers and showed adult males using them. The stock was being damaged by the action screws tightened to 10 inch pounds and couldn't support the weight of a rimfire rifle action, it was bending. It could not handle magnum calibers, nor is the LOP fitting for an adult. I feel pretty bamboozled, but I've come to realize youtube reviews are advertisements. I don't appreciate it.
The 783, Axis II, and Patriot rifles all have wood stock offerings now. But I suppose you could put that extra money toward this stock instead and have an even better option.
I really like the feel of the Patriot stock. But you're right; I can see where someone would want to upgrade a base model so they get all the adjustable bits.
Great video buddy, I can't wait to get a little more shooting done with mine to get another update video done on it. Like you, I'm Defiently a fan of it so far...
V3 Precision a Hickman heads up, do not use aluminium pillars as these will deform over time (yes 44 inch pounds will deform aluminium). You are better off using steel as this will give a far more consistent receiver to pillar contact.👍
I bought a Boyd's at one stock for my Savage 308. Everything on it was WRONG. The cuttings were too deep. Nothing worked at all. Screws now hit and locked the bolt from moving, the magazinenow hit the bolt. The safety and trigger were locked up and did not work. The list goes on and on. It less then a minute put everything back into the original stock and the gun works flawless. The Boyd's at one stock into the fire wood pile where it belongs
Standard At-One of Ruger American Ranch is $227.00; Add $57.00 for pillar bedding; Add $31.00 for metal trigger guard and front magazine catch and you still have to glass bed the V blocks. This is like buying a Harley and having to add a lot of a extras to make it decent. Overpriced for me...cost/benefit analysis plus the addition 3 pounds of unwanted weight to a light carbine prompted rejection.
Nice review! Could you review, compare and contrast their vaious thumb hole stocks? Advantages dis-advantages as oppossed to a more traditional hunting stock
I know this video is a few years old, but I’m about to order an “At One” from Boyd’s, in the coyote laminate, I would like to get the “ripple” affect as you showed on your coyote stock, but I don’t see anywhere on the website where that’s an option? And this video is the only mention I’ve been able to find, and believe me, I’ve looked. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks!!!
Beautiful stock but very disappointed in how hard it is when to adjust the length. Also when installed barrel was sitting off to one side and made contact with stock so it was not free floating like the factory stock.
Can you list the components you used to install your bipod rail? I have this stock and want to know the exact screw length / rail length to install without drilling.
@@dirtfarmer7472 if you ever down near okc message me. I have a lease out in chandler and we can go out. Just getting over some medical stuff so love to go out shooting.
I'm picking up my Savage 111 chambered in 30 - 06 very soon. I stumbled across Boyd's website because honestly I don't like plastic polymer stocks on rifles. There are very few exceptions. And Savage is not known for making a high quality factory stock. I have no complaints about any of the machining or anything made out of steel. But let's face it the stock is skinny it's far too light for heavier calibers it's not really comfortable. There's an enormous Gap at the end of the stock between the barrel and the stock. And yeah there needs to be a small Gap you know like a piece of paper for that free floating effect but Jesus christ.. it looks like Stevie Wonder took some LSD and put it together. I decided that I'm going with the exact stock that you have next to you on that bench. That configuration precisely. The color patterns are beautiful I like the hardware I like the designs the nice sharp edges.. it looks beautiful and far more durable than plastic garbage. And my rifles and handguns they don't all have one particular job. My rifles are all purpose rifles I hunt with some of them and sometimes I just go target practice with various calibers. I do this to maintain my marksmanship with all my firearms. The Savage that I'm picking up is going to be in all purpose weapon. And based off of your excellent review.. that seems like the best all-around stock to get. And that color pattern is beautiful. Although I know what's going to happen I'm going to order it I'm going to get it in the mail in a week later I'm going to want to order another one. Having OCD and ADHD stir It up in the same pot sucks sometimes. But on the plus side.. with every firearm that I own you would be hard pressed to find a single fleck of unburnt powder or residue anywhere in my firearms. Anyway thank you for a wonderful review. And as always stay safe, keep carrying and God bless 🙏🙏🏴🏴🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
This rifle dropped in neatly. I only had to open the barrel channel on one side to prevent touching. I recommend a pillar or full bedding job, though, which I've done on nearly all my stocks now. You can find tutorials on my channel for the Savage Axis, Savage 10/110/12, Ruger American short- and long-action, and the Remington 770.
Any Boyd's stock in particular you would select for a scout rifle build? I'm not too sure about moving parts on such a rifle... thinking about starting with a Ruger American 308.
Killer project, Richard. That should be a lot of fun. I would recommend looking at the Boyds Heritage. It's a classic shape with a big Monte Carlo comb and a generous drop at the toe. It should be ridiculously comfortable. If you prefer something with a simpler, straighter shape for less muzzle jump, check out the Platinum. The Ruger American takes a few extra steps to bed in these stocks, so you should check out the At-One install job I did for my buddy's rifle. Good luck on your build!
I got one for my Model 70 last year and like it a lot. It's 1000 times better than the cheap ugly plastic stock that came on the rifle. I do wish they would have rounded the tip of the fore-end. The slash shaped fore-end is the only part of the stock that looks bad. Hell, it looks downright ugly, actually! The stock should have had a flush cup sling mount upfront also.
It's certainly a polarizing shape. The flush sling mount up front would be a cool add-on. Maybe they can put one together sometime since that panel is replaceable.
I think you would need to pillar bed this rifle did you end up doing that? Also wondering how easy it would be to add a bottom metal for aics mags. Things I'm considering with this stock. Just wondering your opinion. Thanks!
Wick6.5 - great questions. I put this stock on a savage 110 TH in .270. The stock bottom metal didn't work. I sent it out to CDI precision gun works for pillaring/bedding,new bottom metal with a "universal" 300 win mag? AR magazine, and a usable mag release button. Very happy with the setup. Love the stock.
Thanks for the info in these videos. I'm trying to do my own budget build and I'm trying to decide between a Remington 783 and a savage axis 2. what would be better and why? thanks!
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Ray Feltz As I have experience with the Remington’s and the savage rifles take the Savage rifle it’s a better made rifle And if you make sure the Savage rifle you’re getting comes with the Accu trigger it is absolutely a better rifle. Good luck with your build.
fsteddie95 I had actually heard that everything on the Remington except for the trigger is better. Could you give me some examples of why the savage is better please?
I was looking into getting one one of these stocks in the future and was wondering a couple of things first is it already pillar bedded(I’m assuming not) and do I need to purchase a steel trigger guard from Boyd’s because I know the one on my stock now won’t work
Also about the trigger guard I have a Thompson center venture and the rear action screw doesn’t contact the trigger guard it’s behind it so would the Boyd’s (plastic?) one be fine I’m thinking it would be
How do you Oder the ripple affect shocks I am wanting to try the nutmeg thump hole but I don’t see the ripple effect on there site do you half to call to get that order ?
I got a savage axis 6.5mm and the plastic does nothing to help with recoil, ive been doing some homework im looking into the at one with thumb hole do you think that could help reduce the amount of recoil transfered to my shoulder?
Absolutely, yes. The extra mass will help a lot. The stock pad is pretty good on the At-One Thumbhole, but there should be an option for a squishier one, too.
Great video I am currently building a long range rifle I have a Ruger American predator 308 I have $300 to spend on a scope (moa/moa, variable if possible ).I'm looking to start shooting f-class . What scope would you recommend I value your opinion thank you and stay safe
You have some great options in that price range nowadays. Check out the MOA/MOA SWFA 20X. F-Class favors high magnification, so the fixed 20X should do well. If you need a variable, the best I can recommend right now at that price is the Falcon M18+. The glass is very nice, and the tracking is reliable. Check around for the Bushnell Engage, too. You might find one that fits your price point. I think there's a rebate out there.
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I agree you cannot go wrong with SWFA optics as the United States Navy snipers use those. Also check out primary arms and there ACSS retical as the bullet drop compensation is very accurate for the 308, .223/5.56 and if you’re running a special caliber for your competition if you contact primary arms and speak with Dimitri he is the gentleman that invented the ACSS. And he can help you with a sighting in range to match your caliber to the calibrated bullet drop compensation in their retical. The people at primary arms are here local to me in Texas and are a great bunch of avid shooter’s. As they are constantly going to range is around the country for product testing and competition themselves. Give them a try you can’t go wrong as I use their objects on just about every rifle I have and I own 21 currently LOL I’m always looking for a new gun.....
A second the SWFA fixed 20X SS Scope.. You can get it in MOA/MOA or Mil/Mil.. They are proven to have the most accurate turret tracking in pretty much anything your going to find under $600 dollars.. The Primary Arms ACSS reticles are more designed for DMR type rifles and I don't think they would be a good choice for F Class paper punching.
I have both an at-one thumbhole stock on a .308 hog hunter Savage and a 6.5 Creedmoor GRS model Savage. While the Boyd’s is a nice looking stock and I like it, it is not even in the same universe as the GRS stock. The GRS is the best feeling, most ergonomic stock I have ever put to my shoulder. The texture and positioning of the vertical grip and thumb groove have to be experienced in person to fully understand how great a design it truly is IMO.
In my case, the improvement was extreme. The old stock would net me 6" groups because of its floppiness. My recent, kinda shabby handloads are down below .75 MOA, and I'm expecting better results with the new bullets I'll be testing.
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The Social Regressive Holy smokes that’s amazing the improvement was that extreme! Wow that goes to show you how cheap the Tupperware stocks are LOL in order to make a cheap rifle. I would rather the manufacture skimp on the stock than the barrel and the action that way you can actually get into a good shooting rifle and upgrade The stock to one of your choice and not be stuck with the one the manufacturer decided to use. Wow that’s amazing the accuracy change that much I’m interested in seeing your test results that you talked about on another comment on this video.
I ws wondering if these stocks add a % of accuracy to the rifle?I have heard that whn firing more then a round or two its better that the barrel is supported as it warms up.Is this correct?Im trying to figure out how this stock or an MDT stock adds accuracy so if you could enlighten me on this?I would be grateful i am new to long range shooting and have always wanted to do it.I literally live in a state that is not gun friendly so i have a hard time finding ranges over 300yrds.I have to travel out of state for anything over 400.So i have not had to chance to really test my Savage Axis in 6.5CM.Its in its stock,stock.Been looking at MDT but they are way to expensive and dont have the money to buy one even today with there 40% off sale :>/ the one i want is as low as 200.00 bucks too lol sux for me.I would be grateful for any insight you can give me on how to move forward from here? I believe the stock you have on your bench at the start of the video is the one i like? lol
It will improve your accuracy a bit, especially in the Axis line. The Problem with the OEM plastic stock is that it flexes too much in the forend and starting touching the barrel somewhere. Savage barrels are "free floated" and should always remain that way. By adding a more rigid stock, you eliminate that possibility. It is also a heavier stock then the OEM plastic, so it makes the rifle heavier and reduces recoil a little more. I have an Axis in 22-250 that I put a Boyd's Prairie Hunter on, pillared it, & glass bedded the action. It shoots 5 shot groups that I can cover with a nickel.
I will NEVER again buy from Boyds Stocks. They pulled a bait-and-switch on me and sent me the wrong stock and refused the return. I will GLADLY pay any of their competitors for the replacement. I strongly encourage you to look elsewhere for your stock. This is a shady company with TERRIBLE ethics.
It proves that we can adapt one rifle to fit multiple shooters quickly and easily to such a degree that they can confidently and quickly hit moving targets. That's a big deal.
@@SocialRegressive I guess there is an inherent comfort attained before your fully accustomed to a new gun. I wasn't thinking that until you mentioned it. I know some guns I've picked up just immediately don't feel right.
wow, such BS... Boyd told me they will not and do not insert steel pillars. i guess only for those who will make a video and say nice things about their product only get that special treatment. i won't be buying from Boyd's. thanks for clueing me in on a product not to use.
It depends on your action; and I think the pillars are aluminum. If it's available it shows up as an option during configuration. What rifle are you working with?
@@SocialRegressive savage acis xp gen 2. Got with Boyd's and they only offer aluminum for rear. I could do the front myself just dont have the equipment needed. Be cheaper to have it done. I got the pepper Spike Camp stock. After i get front pillar taken care of will move on to action bedding.
Sorry if you answered this somewhere else ,but how much does a stock affect accuracy on its own? How much improvement should I expect from restocking say a savage axis or ruger American.?
I get this question often, and I'm curious myself. I plan to test various states of stock on the upcoming 12FV build project. First, the plastic stock. Second, a laminate stock. Third, with the laminate stock bedded. It will be difficult to do a true apples-to-apples comparison, but I want to see what happens.
Different positions and bipod loading on a poor stock can change your point of impact drastically. A superior stock will shoot more similarly position-to-position. A stiffer stock will be less affected by different bipod loadings, meaning how hard you are pushing against the bipod. Ergonomic changes, such as getting a cheek weld, will remove parallax error and help you be more consistent.
So for example, if you always shoot offhand at the same range in the same conditions, it may not matter at all. If you shoot prone with a bipod, or are trying for extreme accuracy, it may be very beneficial.
It's hard to quantify, because under perfect conditions and with an extremely consistent shooter, there may not be enough difference to justify the expense. A journeyman shooter will see an accuracy increase in a good stock over a tupperware stock common on budget rifles today. I consider it difficult to get an Axis or American to shoot much better than MOA with the OEM stock. However, these modern actions and barrels are good, and I would expect much better with a stiffer, more ergonomic stock in the types of shooting I do. For me, it's huge. I have one rifle in an aluminum chassis that I fire prone, and the largest group it has given me at 100 yards, during load development, was 0.26" and most groups are around 0.10-0.13". I would not be able to pull that off with a flimsy stock, without a solid cheekweld, etc. Everything has to be right for me to do anything like that. To me, going from 1 MOA to 0.25 MOA is a huge improvement, and I'm willing to pay for it.
Interesting anecdote from me. I have a weatherby vanguard series 2 6.5 creedmoor with a flimsy stock. I had more than a 2moa height difference in impact when I attached a bipod. After I filled it with fiberglass, glass bedded it and free floated it, the difference disappeared when attaching the bipod. I would definitely recommend upgrading stocks or filling in the synthetic stocks since they are flimsy, flex and twist.
I performed a crude test to get a ballpark of what kind of accuracy a stock upgrade might give: ua-cam.com/video/oh_K_eVNcKs/v-deo.html It's on a Tikka T3 and it's using Core Lokt ammo, but I think there is still something to be gleaned from it.
From a savage axis or ruger american, your rifle will probably not bcome anymore accurate. Those are both modern rifles, with cheap, but well made stocks that shouldn’t change your rifles harmonics in varying positions or climates. You, on the other hand, will likely be able to shoot the rifle better due to a more ergonomic stock that is adjusted to your ideal length of pull, cheek riser height etc. if you went and grabbed grandpa’s 1970 rem 700 and put this stock on it, then the rifle itself would likely shoot better because old school stocks put pressure on the barrel and action.
Just finished my install this past weekend on the At 1 thumb hole stock. Lighter than expected and install was easy. Yet to fire the firearm since installing but first impression is very good. Installed on Ruger American 6.5 CM for my wife’s deer rifle. Also we got the laser engraving of the deer skull on it. If you order one please do yourself a favor and order the metal trigger guard at the same time. It’s a nice upgrade and it will ship with the gun stock and one shipping cost.
What a great and thorough review of this particular stock. The sound quality of the voice and the pace of which you present the material is fantastic. I really have to look at this a little bit closer for myself. Thank you for putting so much time and attention to make a video of this quality.
Thanks, Ben! I appreciate the comments.
I'm very interested in this Boyd's At-One due to the ability to swap from prone bits to offhand bits, the optional long LOP hardware, the adjustability, and their huge selection of inlets. I am in love with the CZ 527 and they offer stocks for it. Fantastic.
Thank you for this video! My dad ordered one of these and we were struggling with the butt stock button as no matter how hard we pressed it wouldn't go, watching this video I was able to confirm that the button was meant to be pressed in and just needed to be broken in. He used a small hammer to tap the button and it worked!
That button goes from nigh- impossible to very difficult as it breaks in. 💪
always glad when I'm looking into something and you have a video on it. great info. thanks again
Best review of a boyds stock I've found. Thank you!
Glad you like that stock. I bought one for my 1022. I won't call it junk, but it's not far from that. I don't care at all for all the sharp angles all over it, you referred to them as creases. On mine, wherever plastic and wood mate up there are gaps, some as much as 1/8 inch. The adjustable parts. . . They have never broken in the way you claim they will. I have taken them out and lightly sanded the obvious rubbing points, lubricated them, still it's a two handed operation to get them to move. When they do move, you're just as likely to yank it out as to have it move to where you want it.When they are collapsed all the way the buttons are not in their natural flush position and if you move them so the buttons are flush you end up with a huge gap. And here's the kicker -- They shipped it with the wrong escutcheon installed. When I was finally able to reach their customer service, they basically said they'd mail me the right one. Fix it yourself. After all that, I admit it does look nice. From a distance.
I can mirror some your experiences, but some of those sound like you got a lemon. I haven't tried one of the rimfire At-Ones yet.
Did you notice as I did that the length of pull adjustment was short.? Meaning, that max length of pull when adjusted as far out as possible was about 14 1/2”. Which is where I’m at. So if your length of pull is longer you may want to order accordingly from Boyd’s.
Thanks for the review! It swayed me to choose this stock for a Mauser 98 in 30-06. Love it so far.
I know it's 3 years old but it's new to me. Thank you for showing the different colors I was leaning on the Forest but think I'm going Pepper.
I came to within a hairs breadth of buying an At One Stock, but brought a Choate tactical stock instead, as it was slightly cheaper and I didn’t have to wait 6 weeks to get it.
The Choate tactical stock isn’t as modular but it does have a full length aluminium bedding block with a wide beaver tail fore end and a vertical pistol grip.
So far it’s performing very well, my Remington 700 SPS tactical is now grouping just under .75 MOA
The weak area of the rear action screw split. you can see in the pictures. I had this stock for 30 days. During that time I bedded the front action screw and area. Because I did this, which only strengthens the stock, they will not warranty where the glue came lose on the lamination. "modification to the stock voids warranty" I had to modify it just to get the gun to fit in it and let the bolt go forward. Then I bedded it. Not happy and will never buy another one.It is a very nice looking stock, if you plan on not improving it, Bedding or pillaring. go for it. If you get the thumbhole stock, have very long fingers, or be prepared to kick your arm out to reach the trigger properly.
Which one did you get?
I am glad i saw this review. The deal was killed when I learned the LOP adjustment went from 12" to 14". I am 6 foot 6 my Lop is 16" my wife is about 13" lop and she is 5 foot 4 inch's tall. 12 is an extremely short lop!!! That's shorter than the lop on youth rifles. Standard LOP out the door is about 13.75. I will order my stock custom lop cut
You can buy a longer butt extender on their accessories page. That plus a thicker pad should get you to 16". It adds a fair bit to the price, though.
Absolutely beautiful stock. Which makes for a beautiful rifle especially if the Stocks fits meaning fits the shooter then it become is a true pleasure to shoot. Very nice
Good review Love it ! At 189.00 bucks ( without add ons and fitting for some rifles bottom metals) it's a steal.
It really is, man. It's only $40 more than their fixed models? I think they're going to sell a lot of these.
I picked one of these up for my savage and officially gave up on it today and boyd's as a company. I was very disappointed when I got it and the LOP didn't adjust out to as long as the OEM stock. The stock only adjusts out to a "youth" size and the minimum size is for a baby or possibly a mouse. That is an exaggeration, but what isn't is the atrocious build quality. The aluminum rods on the LOP adjustment are hollow and threaded. They broke when I checked to see if they were locked in place. The wood on the sides of the actions is about 1/8" thick. I should measure it. I figured I could break it with finger pressure and I was right. One side delaminated and the other snapped in half. $250 down the drain.
Before fiddling with it, I asked Boyd's for the extended version of the LOP adjuster as their advertisements were dishonest. They advertised the stock as suitable for magnum calibers and showed adult males using them. The stock was being damaged by the action screws tightened to 10 inch pounds and couldn't support the weight of a rimfire rifle action, it was bending. It could not handle magnum calibers, nor is the LOP fitting for an adult.
I feel pretty bamboozled, but I've come to realize youtube reviews are advertisements. I don't appreciate it.
The 783, Axis II, and Patriot rifles all have wood stock offerings now. But I suppose you could put that extra money toward this stock instead and have an even better option.
I really like the feel of the Patriot stock. But you're right; I can see where someone would want to upgrade a base model so they get all the adjustable bits.
Informative, thank you. This will be my new K98 Mauser stock.
I picked up a TC compass and depending how well it shoots was certainly thinking of going with a replacement stock. I will have to keep this in mind.
I'll be watching for the videos!
Great video buddy, I can't wait to get a little more shooting done with mine to get another update video done on it. Like you, I'm Defiently a fan of it so far...
Heck yes. I can't wait to see what you think of it in action.
And I got best of both worlds. Thumbhole and adjustable. Wow
Cool Gun! Question what action was this?
Just ordered a Boyd's coyote laminate varmint thumbhole stock for my Savage Axis 243....could not keep scope zeroed with that synthetic stock.
Good review! I want to get my hands on one for my next project build and use our CNC milled aluminum parts and pillars.
V3 Precision a Hickman heads up, do not use aluminium pillars as these will deform over time (yes 44 inch pounds will deform aluminium). You are better off using steel as this will give a far more consistent receiver to pillar contact.👍
Heck yes! Everyone needs to check out your extra parts.
F53802 Actually, on our Savage Axis kit, the pillars are steel, the mag catch is 6061 aluminum.
I bought a Boyd's at one stock for my Savage 308. Everything on it was WRONG. The cuttings were too deep. Nothing worked at all. Screws now hit and locked the bolt from moving, the magazinenow hit the bolt. The safety and trigger were locked up and did not work. The list goes on and on.
It less then a minute put everything back into the original stock and the gun works flawless. The Boyd's at one stock into the fire wood pile where it belongs
Love that stock! I’m wanting one for my inexperience savage axis xp. Do you by chance remember the model number of this stock? Thx!!!
Hi , great video . Was the stock a "drop in" or you had some small work to do ? Did you need to make a bedding ? thanks. pascal
Standard At-One of Ruger American Ranch is $227.00; Add $57.00 for pillar bedding; Add $31.00 for metal trigger guard and front magazine catch and you still have to glass bed the V blocks. This is like buying a Harley and having to add a lot of a extras to make it decent. Overpriced for me...cost/benefit analysis plus the addition 3 pounds of unwanted weight to a light carbine prompted rejection.
It adds up fast. The American has a lot of finnicky cuts and extra parts. I can see why it starts so much higher than an Axis or Model 10.
Nice review! Could you review, compare and contrast their vaious thumb hole stocks? Advantages dis-advantages as oppossed to a more traditional hunting stock
Cool idea.
I don't understand why they don't pillar bed these things to start with... My crap savage Tupperware stock has pillars already...
That's a good question. It might just come down to cost and the different pillars that shooters might prefer.
Thanks came looking for info on this as I’ve just been offered one cheap.
Love your channel....How do you think the AT-One will handle the recoil of the magnum calibers? I am looking at the AT-One for my 300 Win Mag
How much did the stock improve your groups at 100yds shooting off a bench rest at conventional (stationary) targets?
I know this video is a few years old, but I’m about to order an “At One” from Boyd’s, in the coyote laminate, I would like to get the “ripple” affect as you showed on your coyote stock, but I don’t see anywhere on the website where that’s an option? And this video is the only mention I’ve been able to find, and believe me, I’ve looked. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks!!!
Ripple seems to be a limited- availability option, and I haven't seen it in a while. I hope it comes back someday.
Beautiful stock but very disappointed in how hard it is when to adjust the length. Also when installed barrel was sitting off to one side and made contact with stock so it was not free floating like the factory stock.
I've had to tweak one or two barrel channels, too. I like to use a large dowel wrapped in low- grit sandpaper to open them up.
Can you list the components you used to install your bipod rail? I have this stock and want to know the exact screw length / rail length to install without drilling.
Eastern Oklahoma. I am here in okc good videos good luck.
Mark Denney & I’m in NW Okla
@@dirtfarmer7472 if you ever down near okc message me. I have a lease out in chandler and we can go out. Just getting over some medical stuff so love to go out shooting.
Looking at these there some of the best fetures for money iv found . im looking at the boyds at one thumbhole whould you recommend this one?
I'm hoping to test one soon. It looks like a comfy stock.
I'm picking up my Savage 111 chambered in 30 - 06 very soon. I stumbled across Boyd's website because honestly I don't like plastic polymer stocks on rifles. There are very few exceptions. And Savage is not known for making a high quality factory stock. I have no complaints about any of the machining or anything made out of steel. But let's face it the stock is skinny it's far too light for heavier calibers it's not really comfortable. There's an enormous Gap at the end of the stock between the barrel and the stock. And yeah there needs to be a small Gap you know like a piece of paper for that free floating effect but Jesus christ.. it looks like Stevie Wonder took some LSD and put it together. I decided that I'm going with the exact stock that you have next to you on that bench. That configuration precisely. The color patterns are beautiful I like the hardware I like the designs the nice sharp edges.. it looks beautiful and far more durable than plastic garbage. And my rifles and handguns they don't all have one particular job. My rifles are all purpose rifles I hunt with some of them and sometimes I just go target practice with various calibers. I do this to maintain my marksmanship with all my firearms. The Savage that I'm picking up is going to be in all purpose weapon. And based off of your excellent review.. that seems like the best all-around stock to get. And that color pattern is beautiful. Although I know what's going to happen I'm going to order it I'm going to get it in the mail in a week later I'm going to want to order another one. Having OCD and ADHD stir It up in the same pot sucks sometimes. But on the plus side.. with every firearm that I own you would be hard pressed to find a single fleck of unburnt powder or residue anywhere in my firearms. Anyway thank you for a wonderful review. And as always stay safe, keep carrying and God bless 🙏🙏🏴🏴🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Any video on the actual gun fitting to the stock. did you have to bed the stock was it a out of the box fit to the gun with not finishing work?
This rifle dropped in neatly. I only had to open the barrel channel on one side to prevent touching. I recommend a pillar or full bedding job, though, which I've done on nearly all my stocks now. You can find tutorials on my channel for the Savage Axis, Savage 10/110/12, Ruger American short- and long-action, and the Remington 770.
Now this video I like.
Any Boyd's stock in particular you would select for a scout rifle build? I'm not too sure about moving parts on such a rifle... thinking about starting with a Ruger American 308.
Killer project, Richard. That should be a lot of fun. I would recommend looking at the Boyds Heritage. It's a classic shape with a big Monte Carlo comb and a generous drop at the toe. It should be ridiculously comfortable. If you prefer something with a simpler, straighter shape for less muzzle jump, check out the Platinum. The Ruger American takes a few extra steps to bed in these stocks, so you should check out the At-One install job I did for my buddy's rifle. Good luck on your build!
@@SocialRegressive Platinum looks to be up my alley. Thanks!
I got one for my Model 70 last year and like it a lot.
It's 1000 times better than the cheap ugly plastic stock that came on the rifle.
I do wish they would have rounded the tip of the fore-end.
The slash shaped fore-end is the only part of the stock that looks bad.
Hell, it looks downright ugly, actually!
The stock should have had a flush cup sling mount upfront also.
It's certainly a polarizing shape. The flush sling mount up front would be a cool add-on. Maybe they can put one together sometime since that panel is replaceable.
Like the idea of that moving target, maybe improve it with more random motion and zigzagging?
Ive got one ,, it split at the back action hole ,, they need to Pillar bed these from the factory ,, I took the POS off the action ,
@targetshooter2 make a video so we can see if it was you or the stock that went wrong.
I think you would need to pillar bed this rifle did you end up doing that? Also wondering how easy it would be to add a bottom metal for aics mags. Things I'm considering with this stock. Just wondering your opinion. Thanks!
You read my mind. A lot. The 12FV build coming up next is going to be a LOT of fun.
Wick6.5 - great questions. I put this stock on a savage 110 TH in .270. The stock bottom metal didn't work. I sent it out to CDI precision gun works for pillaring/bedding,new bottom metal with a "universal" 300 win mag? AR magazine, and a usable mag release button. Very happy with the setup. Love the stock.
Thanks for the info in these videos. I'm trying to do my own budget build and I'm trying to decide between a Remington 783 and a savage axis 2. what would be better and why? thanks!
Ray Feltz As I have experience with the Remington’s and the savage rifles take the Savage rifle it’s a better made rifle And if you make sure the Savage rifle you’re getting comes with the Accu trigger it is absolutely a better rifle. Good luck with your build.
fsteddie95 I had actually heard that everything on the Remington except for the trigger is better. Could you give me some examples of why the savage is better please?
Honestly I have both and each one is great Rifle for the money. Great triggers and both accuracy is great
I was looking into getting one one of these stocks in the future and was wondering a couple of things first is it already pillar bedded(I’m assuming not) and do I need to purchase a steel trigger guard from Boyd’s because I know the one on my stock now won’t work
Also about the trigger guard I have a Thompson center venture and the rear action screw doesn’t contact the trigger guard it’s behind it so would the Boyd’s (plastic?) one be fine I’m thinking it would be
Kinda sucks you have to buy an extra trigger guard
How do you Oder the ripple affect shocks I am wanting to try the nutmeg thump hole but I don’t see the ripple effect on there site do you half to call to get that order ?
The ripple stocks aren't available all the time. It's kind of a limited edition. You might call and ask if they're planning another run.
I didn't see an option for the snake pattern on their website, can anyone help?
I got a savage axis 6.5mm and the plastic does nothing to help with recoil, ive been doing some homework im looking into the at one with thumb hole do you think that could help reduce the amount of recoil transfered to my shoulder?
Absolutely, yes. The extra mass will help a lot. The stock pad is pretty good on the At-One Thumbhole, but there should be an option for a squishier one, too.
@@SocialRegressive thanks
Great video I am currently building a long range rifle I have a Ruger American predator 308 I have $300 to spend on a scope (moa/moa, variable if possible ).I'm looking to start shooting f-class . What scope would you recommend I value your opinion thank you and stay safe
You have some great options in that price range nowadays. Check out the MOA/MOA SWFA 20X. F-Class favors high magnification, so the fixed 20X should do well. If you need a variable, the best I can recommend right now at that price is the Falcon M18+. The glass is very nice, and the tracking is reliable. Check around for the Bushnell Engage, too. You might find one that fits your price point. I think there's a rebate out there.
I agree you cannot go wrong with SWFA optics as the United States Navy snipers use those. Also check out primary arms and there ACSS retical as the bullet drop compensation is very accurate for the 308, .223/5.56 and if you’re running a special caliber for your competition if you contact primary arms and speak with Dimitri he is the gentleman that invented the ACSS. And he can help you with a sighting in range to match your caliber to the calibrated bullet drop compensation in their retical. The people at primary arms are here local to me in Texas and are a great bunch of avid shooter’s. As they are constantly going to range is around the country for product testing and competition themselves. Give them a try you can’t go wrong as I use their objects on just about every rifle I have and I own 21 currently LOL I’m always looking for a new gun.....
A second the SWFA fixed 20X SS Scope.. You can get it in MOA/MOA or Mil/Mil.. They are proven to have the most accurate turret tracking in pretty much anything your going to find under $600 dollars.. The Primary Arms ACSS reticles are more designed for DMR type rifles and I don't think they would be a good choice for F Class paper punching.
Did you have to do any bedding?
Still wonder what happened to your Savage 12FV Build?
It's on the way! I now have all the parts. Now I just need to start filming.
Awesome. Looking forward to it!
How heavy is the stock?
How does it compare to the GRS Berserk stock? And is it as accurate as the GRS Beserk stock?
It doesn't compare.. Its just less expensive.
rainmechanic what do you mean it doesn’t compare ?
He means the Beserk is superior.
I have both an at-one thumbhole stock on a .308 hog hunter Savage and a 6.5 Creedmoor GRS model Savage. While the Boyd’s is a nice looking stock and I like it, it is not even in the same universe as the GRS stock. The GRS is the best feeling, most ergonomic stock I have ever put to my shoulder. The texture and positioning of the vertical grip and thumb groove have to be experienced in person to fully understand how great a design it truly is IMO.
EASTERN OKLAHOMA, damn bro same
Its wood, if it bothers you sand it
Did you pillar bed the rifle to the stock?
Not yet, but it's still performing great! I'm looking forward to seeing how much tighter it shoots with pillars and an epoxy bed.
They have some nice stuff I just don’t like the psychedelic colors. They kinda suck..
You might like their maples or walnuts. They can make most of these shapes in hardwood.
Where can I buy this stock?
Boydsgunstocks.com will cut a stock for your rifle action. Good prices, too.
When will we see this in Left Handed
Great question. It's already available for left-handed Savages and a bunch of others.
Didn't see it on the web sight. Sorry
What were your groupings like after you swapped to the boyds stock?
In my case, the improvement was extreme. The old stock would net me 6" groups because of its floppiness. My recent, kinda shabby handloads are down below .75 MOA, and I'm expecting better results with the new bullets I'll be testing.
The Social Regressive Holy smokes that’s amazing the improvement was that extreme! Wow that goes to show you how cheap the Tupperware stocks are LOL in order to make a cheap rifle. I would rather the manufacture skimp on the stock than the barrel and the action that way you can actually get into a good shooting rifle and upgrade The stock to one of your choice and not be stuck with the one the manufacturer decided to use. Wow that’s amazing the accuracy change that much I’m interested in seeing your test results that you talked about on another comment on this video.
what action did you drop into it?
A Stevens 200 from the last year of production. It's wearing a .308 Axis barrel.
I ws wondering if these stocks add a % of accuracy to the rifle?I have heard that whn firing more then a round or two its better that the barrel is supported as it warms up.Is this correct?Im trying to figure out how this stock or an MDT stock adds accuracy so if you could enlighten me on this?I would be grateful i am new to long range shooting and have always wanted to do it.I literally live in a state that is not gun friendly so i have a hard time finding ranges over 300yrds.I have to travel out of state for anything over 400.So i have not had to chance to really test my Savage Axis in 6.5CM.Its in its stock,stock.Been looking at MDT but they are way to expensive and dont have the money to buy one even today with there 40% off sale :>/ the one i want is as low as 200.00 bucks too lol sux for me.I would be grateful for any insight you can give me on how to move forward from here? I believe the stock you have on your bench at the start of the video is the one i like? lol
It will improve your accuracy a bit, especially in the Axis line. The Problem with the OEM plastic stock is that it flexes too much in the forend and starting touching the barrel somewhere. Savage barrels are "free floated" and should always remain that way. By adding a more rigid stock, you eliminate that possibility. It is also a heavier stock then the OEM plastic, so it makes the rifle heavier and reduces recoil a little more. I have an Axis in 22-250 that I put a Boyd's Prairie Hunter on, pillared it, & glass bedded the action. It shoots 5 shot groups that I can cover with a nickel.
Can you send it to me to "evaluate" until I buy a new rifle?
Too bad that rifle doesn't eject.
It does now! ua-cam.com/video/-E3FQoZzTLY/v-deo.html
Looks like you need some work on your ejector dude. Bad news if you have to turn your gun over after every shot to dump out a spent shell.
Yeah, I ruined the ejector spring a while back. Fixed it, too. ua-cam.com/video/-E3FQoZzTLY/v-deo.html
I will NEVER again buy from Boyds Stocks. They pulled a bait-and-switch on me and sent me the wrong stock and refused the return. I will GLADLY pay any of their competitors for the replacement. I strongly encourage you to look elsewhere for your stock. This is a shady company with TERRIBLE ethics.
You should contact your credit card company about this matter, it may have a salutary effect on their attitude.
same here, sent me a stock that was cut wrong, refused an RPO, I called my CC company and they got them to refund me.
hard to find left hand stock out there
Perry2186 i see what you did there. You must work for those asshats thieves at Boyds.
no sir im just a lowly mechanic looking for a left handed or Omni handed stock for a mosin
as always everything nice is extra $$
andrew johnson $200 for a stock that will last a lifetime, is a small investment
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Shooting at moving targets proves nothing really.
It proves that we can adapt one rifle to fit multiple shooters quickly and easily to such a degree that they can confidently and quickly hit moving targets. That's a big deal.
@@SocialRegressive I guess there is an inherent comfort attained before your fully accustomed to a new gun. I wasn't thinking that until you mentioned it. I know some guns I've picked up just immediately don't feel right.
wow, such BS... Boyd told me they will not and do not insert steel pillars. i guess only for those who will make a video and say nice things about their product only get that special treatment. i won't be buying from Boyd's. thanks for clueing me in on a product not to use.
It depends on your action; and I think the pillars are aluminum. If it's available it shows up as an option during configuration. What rifle are you working with?
@@SocialRegressive savage acis xp gen 2. Got with Boyd's and they only offer aluminum for rear. I could do the front myself just dont have the equipment needed. Be cheaper to have it done. I got the pepper Spike Camp stock. After i get front pillar taken care of will move on to action bedding.
You say you’re in eastern OK, where the heck is that range with the moving targets?
I’d like to know too! Tulsa area guy here.