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Irrespective they're were too many who had more right than she did if Mary failed Elizabeth would have found a way eventually but her biggest threat would have been the Stewart descendants of Margret Tudor who as the older sister her descendants would have come before jane
@@charlottebewick4634 I agree with that, actually. I think if Jane had managed somehow to hold off Mary's army, she just didn't have the people's confidence. But it's an interesting debate had the parliament been stronger and more united, as later they were the ones pushing for the claims of (eventually) all the Grey sisters.
Its so good to listen to a documentary where the information is well oaced, allowing time to take it in and remember it . Its a refreshing change from the new, superfast, fake accented ones that just make you turn off a few minutes in. Many thanks
It's true - even if once Jane was told she was queen she did her best to live up to what fate had handed her, Jane certainly never sought the crown out for herself. Ironically, Mary would have been happy to pardon her as she thought the same thing, if only Jane's father hadn't got himself involved in Wyatt's Rebellion against her!
Her parents (father) and the other nobles they (he) conspired with were too sure that they were in the right or at least couldn't lose. They don't appear to have considered how bad things could go if they lost. They learned the hard way.
@@ariannedechateaumichel7777 They sure did. When they raised an army against Mary I, not only did it decide the sentence for Jane but it decided their own fates. Not a pretty sight. They were rather dumb.
Cruel parents who didn't care if their daughter would die for obeying their wishes to usurp the throne. Jane could have died by burning at the stake for treason. She was lucky that her high status spared her that horror, as she was beheaded instead.
It does put things in perspective a bit! I think life was all-round so much harder in the past for teenagers. They were treated like adults, with all that entails, so much earlier than we would now.
I had read that Jane wasn't going to give her husband the role of "King" but "Duke". I had a good laugh when I read that as I could see the Duke of Northumberland seething with that news. Jane seems to have sent her in-laws into a tizzy with her decision of what title to give her husband. I am totally enjoying this documentary on Jane.
I rather liked that bit as well! I can just imagine Northumberland's face as well, as he realised his plan wasn't going to be what he hoped. I wonder what would have happened with her in-laws had she survived. I imagine Northumberland would have tried to find some way to remove her once there was an heir, making his son regent.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople I imagine that Northumberland would have tried to find a way to do that. The Dudley family was so upset with Jane's decision not to make her husband "King". To imagine the looks on Jane's in-laws' faces when she informed them of her decision makes me want to laugh.
The Duke of Northumberland should have been happy that his grandson (if born) would have been king. It was greedy of him to try to get his pawn of a son promoted to king too. He should have seen that he had stretched the patience of the peers far enough already and secured his family's future. Well, except for Mary's claim, of course.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople I dont think it can. Look at William and Mary... or in other counties, Ferdinand and Isabella, or Louis and Eleanor, or Mary of Scots and Darnley... always it seems 1 Reigns and the other is seen as 'only' a consort. And one Monarch at a time is probably good!
@@glorialange6446 I do agree that one King/Queen at a time is definitely better than the alternative! Although William and Mary is a funny one, as when he was away, she was seen as the 'Queen' while she ruled England with him away. But of course, she was also the 'English' side of the couple, so that may have helped.
QUEEN MARY'S struggle to reclaim her right as queen as well as 2 decades of suffering for being catholic and declared by her own father as a bastard made her ruthless to her enemies.
Older ladies among us, including myself, were told fairy tales as children that made us dream of being Princesses or Queens. To be a Princess and end as a Queen consort was seen as highly desirable, even with trouble along the way the reward was worth it... being rescued by a man, a Prince or King of course...and as a Queen REGNANT Jane could in a moment, have become a pawn of her husband by giving him the Crown Matrimonial in a moment of weakness... yet we see her protest and refusal to give her crown away to Northumberland or even her husband as she saw he , too, could be a pawn to that bystander who was trying to grasp power by any means he could. Yes I do believe Jane felt that her Religion and Legitimacy were the factors that led Edward to choose her, but of course, we do not know of the pressures the sick young King was under from his Uncle Seymour and from that same Northumberland during his last months... and truly I believe by the end Edward would have barely cared. Jane, as a 16 year old bride to a young man she barely knew and an overbearing set of parents and in laws, must have grasped the crown with steely fingers trying to get a grip on her future as a reigning queen and wife while insuring her religion was not destroyed. I think it was badly done of Mary to execute her for any and all reason. I think her father, mother, and inlaws were the instigators and needed swift justice, and Guildford, too, for attempting to become a crowned King with no right to it. I have no idea if it would have helped Jane but her public proclaiming of Mary as lawful Queen and the prosecution of those who instigated it all may have been enough to save her, even if she remained a prisoner or was exiled. Mary I was strongly proclaimed by the people as the rightful queen, and I think she should have thought more of herself and not condemned Jane. Even the later rebellion of Janes father could have been avoided, I think, by swifter action at the time of Marys ascension and a show of strength by Mary in the face of her aunt and uncles continued plotting. I have never heard that Jane had a hand in the later plot, nor that she approved of it. By then she had been in the tower for quite awhile and probably accepted that Mary was the rightful queen, because not to do so would cost her her life. As far as religious martyrdom goes, Jane probably clung to her religion after losing everything else, and to know her own mother had escaped serious consequences probably caused her some bitterness and pain too... so at least in claiming a martyrs death as a protestant, Jane was able to die with dignity and probably a little less fear. So young...😢😢
I do agree that Jane probably held onto her faith very tightly, but she certainly believed deeply in it, as sources show. She was part of the first generation who had been born into the new faith, and it's likely she (along with others her age) felt they understood it better - think of teenagers today who were born into the world of social media. And I agree that if she had publicly declared Mary as queen, she would have been forgiven. Mary wanted to find a way to get her out of the situation, and it's likely that would have saved her.
I wanted to hear more about Mary being declared Queen in Buckinghamshire.....was this anything to do with the Verneys at Claydon House?? love your channel! Binge watching!
Northumberland was the type of person who had ambition to place someone who shared his beliefs (in the beginning) and stop Mary from becoming the rightful monarch. He would do anything to save his own neck. In the end, all his action were in vain as he faced the executioners axe. Jane's father sealed her fate when he partook in Sir Wyatt's rebellion effectively sealing Jane's fate as well as his own. Jane had more dignity that Northumberland and her own father when it came to facing execution for something she never wanted in the first place.
You're absolutely correct that Northumberland would have done anything to get close to the throne, and Jane just happened to be the most suitable candidate. I do think her father cared about her, but faced with the prospect of making his daughter Queen and having power himself, it was too much to turn it down. Taking part in the Rebellion was stupid, and had he not taken part, could have saved his daughter and himself, you're right. Poor Jane certainly seems to have come around to her fate (as it appeared to be) whether that was to be Queen, or to face her death.
Mary tried to spare her, but her father raised a rebellion and sealed the fate of both jane and her husband. Would mary have found some pretext to execute her? Maybe... but Elizabeth survived because she allowed no one to raise a rebellion in her name, though many tried to get her to do that. Had janes father cared more about his daughters life than her crown she might have survived.
Nice video I enjoyed it. I personally don't believe that any of these people were legitimate rulers as I believe King Edward IV was illigetimate therefore making the current king of England some bloke that lives in New South Wales, Australia.
@@zanderisamazing5043Henry VII claimed the throne by right of conquest over Richard III as well as lineage and reinforced his claim by marrying Elizabeth of York.
Maybe Dr Kat is from a similar part of the country to me? I have seen some of her videos before, but I never heard it with the voice thing until you just said. 😊 Tudor history is so interesting because so much happened in just one dynasty, including with normal people - and much of it was recorded for the first time, like parish records becoming law.
Thanks for watching! How do you think it might have turned out if Jane hadn't lost the crown?
If you enjoyed this video, here are some others to check out:
The Forgotten Tudor Queen - Part 1 - ua-cam.com/video/H0ODaguMp2g/v-deo.html
Did The FIRST English Queen LOSE Her Crown? Part 1 - ua-cam.com/video/oj6AFqebNBU/v-deo.html
Queen of Two Kingdoms And Mother Of An Empire - Part 1 - ua-cam.com/video/qeziVpkY-1c/v-deo.html
Irrespective they're were too many who had more right than she did if Mary failed Elizabeth would have found a way eventually but her biggest threat would have been the Stewart descendants of Margret Tudor who as the older sister her descendants would have come before jane
@@charlottebewick4634 I agree with that, actually. I think if Jane had managed somehow to hold off Mary's army, she just didn't have the people's confidence. But it's an interesting debate had the parliament been stronger and more united, as later they were the ones pushing for the claims of (eventually) all the Grey sisters.
Its so good to listen to a documentary where the information is well oaced, allowing time to take it in and remember it . Its a refreshing change from the new, superfast, fake accented ones that just make you turn off a few minutes in. Many thanks
Thank you, I'm glad you like it! I try to make it so it's not too slow, but hopefully it's a good pace to keep it going. ☺
This poor girl. She was only a teenager and none of this was her idea
It's true - even if once Jane was told she was queen she did her best to live up to what fate had handed her, Jane certainly never sought the crown out for herself. Ironically, Mary would have been happy to pardon her as she thought the same thing, if only Jane's father hadn't got himself involved in Wyatt's Rebellion against her!
@@HistorysForgottenPeople Seems like Jane's parents really cared about themselves only and not their children.
Her parents (father) and the other nobles they (he) conspired with were too sure that they were in the right or at least couldn't lose. They don't appear to have considered how bad things could go if they lost. They learned the hard way.
@@ariannedechateaumichel7777 They sure did. When they raised an army against Mary I, not only did it decide the sentence for Jane but it decided their own fates. Not a pretty sight. They were rather dumb.
Cruel parents who didn't care if their daughter would die for obeying their wishes to usurp the throne. Jane could have died by burning at the stake for treason. She was lucky that her high status spared her that horror, as she was beheaded instead.
At seventeen I was having a meltdown because I was grounded on a Friday night...sucked to be Jane.
It does put things in perspective a bit! I think life was all-round so much harder in the past for teenagers. They were treated like adults, with all that entails, so much earlier than we would now.
I had read that Jane wasn't going to give her husband the role of "King" but "Duke". I had a good laugh when I read that as I could see the Duke of Northumberland seething with that news. Jane seems to have sent her in-laws into a tizzy with her decision of what title to give her husband. I am totally enjoying this documentary on Jane.
I rather liked that bit as well! I can just imagine Northumberland's face as well, as he realised his plan wasn't going to be what he hoped. I wonder what would have happened with her in-laws had she survived. I imagine Northumberland would have tried to find some way to remove her once there was an heir, making his son regent.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople I don't doubt it as Northumberland was pretty sly.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople I imagine that Northumberland would have tried to find a way to do that. The Dudley family was so upset with Jane's decision not to make her husband "King". To imagine the looks on Jane's in-laws' faces when she informed them of her decision makes me want to laugh.
The Duke of Northumberland should have been happy that his grandson (if born) would have been king. It was greedy of him to try to get his pawn of a son promoted to king too. He should have seen that he had stretched the patience of the peers far enough already and secured his family's future. Well, except for Mary's claim, of course.
This is why now when a Queen that rules in her own right that their husband holds a title of Prince and not King.
It certainly makes things much clearer! It's funny that still exists now, perhaps it's something that will change in the future as equality increases?
@@HistorysForgottenPeople I dont think it can. Look at William and Mary... or in other counties, Ferdinand and Isabella, or Louis and Eleanor, or Mary of Scots and Darnley... always it seems 1 Reigns and the other is seen as 'only' a consort. And one Monarch at a time is probably good!
@@glorialange6446 I do agree that one King/Queen at a time is definitely better than the alternative! Although William and Mary is a funny one, as when he was away, she was seen as the 'Queen' while she ruled England with him away. But of course, she was also the 'English' side of the couple, so that may have helped.
QUEEN MARY'S struggle to reclaim her right as queen as well as 2 decades of suffering for being catholic and declared by her own father as a bastard made her ruthless to her enemies.
Older ladies among us, including myself, were told fairy tales as children that made us dream of being Princesses or Queens. To be a Princess and end as a Queen consort was seen as highly desirable, even with trouble along the way the reward was worth it... being rescued by a man, a Prince or King of course...and as a Queen REGNANT Jane could in a moment, have become a pawn of her husband by giving him the Crown Matrimonial in a moment of weakness... yet we see her protest and refusal to give her crown away to Northumberland or even her husband as she saw he , too, could be a pawn to that bystander who was trying to grasp power by any means he could. Yes I do believe Jane felt that her Religion and Legitimacy were the factors that led Edward to choose her, but of course, we do not know of the pressures the sick young King was under from his Uncle Seymour and from that same Northumberland during his last months... and truly I believe by the end Edward would have barely cared. Jane, as a 16 year old bride to a young man she barely knew and an overbearing set of parents and in laws, must have grasped the crown with steely fingers trying to get a grip on her future as a reigning queen and wife while insuring her religion was not destroyed. I think it was badly done of Mary to execute her for any and all reason. I think her father, mother, and inlaws were the instigators and needed swift justice, and Guildford, too, for attempting to become a crowned King with no right to it. I have no idea if it would have helped Jane but her public proclaiming of Mary as lawful Queen and the prosecution of those who instigated it all may have been enough to save her, even if she remained a prisoner or was exiled. Mary I was strongly proclaimed by the people as the rightful queen, and I think she should have thought more of herself and not condemned Jane. Even the later rebellion of Janes father could have been avoided, I think, by swifter action at the time of Marys ascension and a show of strength by Mary in the face of her aunt and uncles continued plotting. I have never heard that Jane had a hand in the later plot, nor that she approved of it. By then she had been in the tower for quite awhile and probably accepted that Mary was the rightful queen, because not to do so would cost her her life. As far as religious martyrdom goes, Jane probably clung to her religion after losing everything else, and to know her own mother had escaped serious consequences probably caused her some bitterness and pain too... so at least in claiming a martyrs death as a protestant, Jane was able to die with dignity and probably a little less fear. So young...😢😢
I do agree that Jane probably held onto her faith very tightly, but she certainly believed deeply in it, as sources show. She was part of the first generation who had been born into the new faith, and it's likely she (along with others her age) felt they understood it better - think of teenagers today who were born into the world of social media. And I agree that if she had publicly declared Mary as queen, she would have been forgiven. Mary wanted to find a way to get her out of the situation, and it's likely that would have saved her.
I wanted to hear more about Mary being declared Queen in Buckinghamshire.....was this anything to do with the Verneys at Claydon House?? love your channel! Binge watching!
Northumberland was the type of person who had ambition to place someone who shared his beliefs (in the beginning) and stop Mary from becoming the rightful monarch. He would do anything to save his own neck. In the end, all his action were in vain as he faced the executioners axe. Jane's father sealed her fate when he partook in Sir Wyatt's rebellion effectively sealing Jane's fate as well as his own. Jane had more dignity that Northumberland and her own father when it came to facing execution for something she never wanted in the first place.
You're absolutely correct that Northumberland would have done anything to get close to the throne, and Jane just happened to be the most suitable candidate. I do think her father cared about her, but faced with the prospect of making his daughter Queen and having power himself, it was too much to turn it down. Taking part in the Rebellion was stupid, and had he not taken part, could have saved his daughter and himself, you're right. Poor Jane certainly seems to have come around to her fate (as it appeared to be) whether that was to be Queen, or to face her death.
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Poor Jane! Used by everyone surrounding her! 😒
I don’t know why she didn’t run away when her father came back
Mary tried to spare her, but her father raised a rebellion and sealed the fate of both jane and her husband.
Would mary have found some pretext to execute her? Maybe... but Elizabeth survived because she allowed no one to raise a rebellion in her name, though many tried to get her to do that.
Had janes father cared more about his daughters life than her crown she might have survived.
Why would they think Mary would acquiesce?
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Nice video I enjoyed it. I personally don't believe that any of these people were legitimate rulers as I believe King Edward IV was illigetimate therefore making the current king of England some bloke that lives in New South Wales, Australia.
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😊 And you're probably right, it could be anyone who was really the legitimate king, haha!
But did any of the Tudors even have a legitimate claim?
@@zanderisamazing5043Henry VII claimed the throne by right of conquest over Richard III as well as lineage and reinforced his claim by marrying Elizabeth of York.
Your voice is similar to dr kat marchant’s
Love English history but Tudor history is just beyond intriguing
Maybe Dr Kat is from a similar part of the country to me? I have seen some of her videos before, but I never heard it with the voice thing until you just said. 😊
Tudor history is so interesting because so much happened in just one dynasty, including with normal people - and much of it was recorded for the first time, like parish records becoming law.