Sweden's CV90 or Germany's Marder - Which IFV is better?

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  • Опубліковано 30 вер 2024

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  • @martinbruce8221
    @martinbruce8221 Рік тому +41

    Found an error in the video. The CV90 40mm L/70 APFSDS-T Mk II IM round is actually capable of penetrating at least 180mm. This in it self wouldn't penetrate any modern MBT from the front but makes all MBTs vounerable from the sides or rear.
    The 60mm penetration value referenced is actually from the old Bofors 40mm L/60 guns AP round and is tech from the 1940's

    • @tomeng9520
      @tomeng9520 Рік тому +7

      Precis, rätt ska vara rätt.

    • @dwwolf4636
      @dwwolf4636 11 місяців тому

      170mm would put the LFPs of many MBTs in doubt.
      Certainly most of the T series tanks, Leo2 and Challenger 2 probably the LeClerc and japanese ones as well.

  • @Grue_ni
    @Grue_ni Рік тому +40

    The CV 90 clearly wins here, but i think the CV 90 should better be compared to the bradley or the puma....
    As a german i have to say respect to the CV 90, its a very good IFV👍

    • @Davidt1066
      @Davidt1066 Рік тому +13

      same here, as a german i should vote for the marder, but honestly the CV is better in almost every aspect.

    • @1891726
      @1891726 Рік тому +6

      Maybe, but you're also damn good at building tanks. My absolute favorite is the German tiger wagon

    • @alejandrocasalegno1657
      @alejandrocasalegno1657 Рік тому +2

      The CV90 have a very "German" end against the russians.......😂😂

    • @85daniel
      @85daniel Рік тому +6

      @@alejandrocasalegno1657 you can destroy every weapon system. But if the crew is OK the CV90 have done the job it was build for. I would certainly prefer to sit in a CV90 instead of in a BMT!

    • @knockonrock7013
      @knockonrock7013 Рік тому +2

      You have respektfull IFV also..and we bye tanks from you )

  • @boxi3
    @boxi3 Рік тому +56

    I think sweden's CV90 is lot better.

    • @Steeler-wg5zo
      @Steeler-wg5zo Рік тому

      compared to the RCH 155?

    • @Sachertortehmmlecker
      @Sachertortehmmlecker 10 місяців тому +1

      CV90 is much newer and certainly better . Marder is relative old but pretty reliable and also strong

  • @tomeng9520
    @tomeng9520 Рік тому +25

    CV90 is a VERY varied and modular platform, it is kind of it's selling point aswell. There are multiple gun options 30mm, 35mm and the cannon much larger 40mm with various types of ammunition 3p programmable ammunition, turret options, armor options, an AA variant, Forward command variant, Recovery vehicle, a 120mm gun tank hunter variant, and many more.
    1073 BHP in the high end version that is amphibic and extremely mobile in mudd and snow.

  • @Bullinatorn
    @Bullinatorn Рік тому +15

    cv 90 is such a beast with so much capabilities it is easily one of the best ifvs in the world.

    • @Grid88
      @Grid88  Рік тому +3

      There is not doubt about that.

  • @staffangoldschmidt2721
    @staffangoldschmidt2721 Рік тому +9

    The Marder is a cold war weapon and will soon be replaced by the Puma, the CV90 has many variants and up to date so it is my choise!

  • @kentunemo5866
    @kentunemo5866 Рік тому +13

    The CV 90 40 mm 3P ammo with 6-modes outguns most IFV:s...

    • @85daniel
      @85daniel 8 місяців тому

      The 30 mm of the most IFVs can outgun the CV90

  • @H.P206
    @H.P206 6 місяців тому +3

    The Marder is from 1969 and the CV90 is from 1991 so comparing them is like comparing the Mark 3 Tank from WW1 with the Tiger 2 from 1944

  • @globalcitizen8321
    @globalcitizen8321 Рік тому +23

    Marder has been conceived during the 70s, while CV90 is a much recent development, starting around mid 90s.

  • @LordOfSweden
    @LordOfSweden Рік тому +32

    Countries I trust the most with Quality of things
    1. Sweden
    2. Germany
    3. Japan
    4. USA
    Im Swedish 😆

    • @D-F-D-F
      @D-F-D-F Рік тому

      USA does not appear on my list. Their quality in many things is trash

    • @Lucas_steel
      @Lucas_steel 11 місяців тому +1

      I’m also Swedish

  • @tomeng9520
    @tomeng9520 Рік тому +9

    Lets just put this out there. The CV90, especially the later models are far more dangerous than the Lynx, Puma, Bradley or K21 fighting vehicles. They are more modern, the cannon is much larger (40mm) the types of ammunition 3p programmable ammunition is deadly as hell. It can air-burst at set ranges, it would annihilate every single Russian in ANY trench with ease from kilometers away.
    The weight of this IFV is almost as much as the Russian MBT (main battle tanks). Close to 40 Ton.
    The CV9040 is a highly aggressive vehicle, designed to control the initiative by staying mobile instead of slowing things down to a walk. Aggressive maneuvering is what the CV9040 is designed to do, outmaneuving vehicles and killing them in the flank and charging enemy positions to drop off soldiers right ontop of the enemy.
    These tactics have been part of the Swedish doctrine since the late fifties as seen in vehicles like the PBV301 and PBV302. And it was directly copied from the German playbook of WW2, where the German panzergrenadiers/dismounts fought more often than not from their halftracks, allowing them to keep pace with the tanks and also maintain initiative through aggressive maneuvering.
    A Bradley, Puma, K21 and so on is not designed for that type of combat. It's essentially an APC that drops off troops 100m from the fight. The CV9040 drops off troops within 0-50m from the enemy position, or simply drives up to it and let's the troops fight mounted.
    In Afghanistan it was apparently tremendously deadly. The Danish or Norwegians were caught in some kind of fight/ambush and they annihilated the enemy.
    P.S
    1073 BHP in the high end version that is amphibic and extremely mobile in mudd and snow.
    D.S

    • @85daniel
      @85daniel 8 місяців тому

      I don't support this statement. Everyone probably has programmable ammunition (I know about Puma and Lynx). The other IFVs consistently rely on better armor. 10mm more in caliber has advantages and disadvantages. I don't think the CV90 is superior to all of them. Otherwise it would have prevailed in America and Australia. But it's good and relatively cheap.

  • @pauligrisan4865
    @pauligrisan4865 Рік тому +4

    Important is that both will neutralize Orcs. 🤣🤣😂😂
    No chance for the RuZZians.

  • @pyroakakohleblock584
    @pyroakakohleblock584 Рік тому +4

    you should rather compare the cv90 to the puma ifv or the lynx ifv

  • @mastershake9551
    @mastershake9551 Рік тому +3

    Marders 20mm has a rof of 1200 rounds. So it's like a 20 mm MG 42 😂.

  • @spejarn
    @spejarn Рік тому +9

    If we're talking Ukraine i'd say the CV90 will probably be pretty effective against trenches since its ammo can explode above said trenches and pepper it with shards.

    • @pacta4306
      @pacta4306 Рік тому

      They are actually designed for and excel in woodland operations and should be used there and not open fields imo.

    • @spejarn
      @spejarn Рік тому +2

      @@pacta4306 They did pretty well in the open fields of Afghanistan, just because it excels at one thing doesn't mean it's useless in other fields.

    • @Hallvard0
      @Hallvard0 6 місяців тому +1

      @@spejarn Afghanistan is a mountainous country....

    • @spejarn
      @spejarn 6 місяців тому

      @@Hallvard0 Probably was confusing it with some other war riddled country, i knew the northern part was, didn't know the whole country was, but i'll take your word for it, mostly because i don't care anymore.

  • @goalchamp1439
    @goalchamp1439 9 місяців тому +1

    Ask Ukrainian soldiers. Unlike most experts they use both systems as well as Bradleys in real heavy duty combat.

  • @SPQR-qq5bz
    @SPQR-qq5bz Рік тому +3

    Marder is older than CV90 obviusly CV90 is better. I repair marder since 2009. Wold be interesting test cv90 in my land.

  • @mikaeljonsson4686
    @mikaeljonsson4686 Рік тому +4

    Strangest thing is that the Brits are still trying to get their failure AJAX IFV to work instead of going with the CV90 that British BAE Systems is a co-developer with Swedish Hägglunds.... weird...

    • @2canines
      @2canines Рік тому +1

      I guess some people are getting a good cut of that ajax project money.
      They probably have no passion for IFVs, but are passionate about the cut.
      That is usually how you get a fails project, or the project manager is an incompetent narcissist, or both.

  • @kentnilsson465
    @kentnilsson465 Рік тому +4

    This was published a few hours ago but still couldnt add that Czech republic and Slovakia hos chosen it for purchase? Also, is this really relevant due to the CV90 being a much newer design?

  • @tobybau575
    @tobybau575 Рік тому +3

    Marder is a quit old but over time permanent updated System. The Replacemen in German Army will be the new Puma.

  • @philiptky5310
    @philiptky5310 Рік тому +1

    NATO NATO numba one! Send em all to Zelensky.

  • @globalcitizen8321
    @globalcitizen8321 Рік тому +4

    Argentina's TAM (Tanque Argentino Mediano) belongs also to the Marder family, albeit armed with an L7 105 mm gun.

  • @WolfHeathen
    @WolfHeathen 10 місяців тому +2

    Not to forget that the CV90 has ADAPTIV ghost armor capabilities as well.

  • @rabanvonstudnitz771
    @rabanvonstudnitz771 Рік тому +2

    Sort of difficult to compare weapon systems / platforms that are a whole generation (30 years) apart from one another.
    It would have made more sense to compare current systems.

  • @cpawp
    @cpawp Рік тому +13

    Unfair comparison - better compare the CV90 with the Puma ...

    • @tomeng9520
      @tomeng9520 Рік тому

      Lets just put this out there. The CV90, especially the later models are far more dangerous than the Lynx, Puma, Bradley or K21 fighting vehicles. They are more modern, the cannon is much larger (40mm) the types of ammunition 3p programmable ammunition is deadly as hell. It can air-burst at set ranges, it would annihilate every single Russian in ANY trench with ease from kilometers away.
      The weight of this IFV is almost as much as the Russian MBT (main battle tanks). Close to 40 Ton.
      The CV9040 is a highly aggressive vehicle, designed to control the initiative by staying mobile instead of slowing things down to a walk. Aggressive maneuvering is what the CV9040 is designed to do, outmaneuving vehicles and killing them in the flank and charging enemy positions to drop off soldiers right ontop of the enemy.
      These tactics have been part of the Swedish doctrine since the late fifties as seen in vehicles like the PBV301 and PBV302. And it was directly copied from the German playbook of WW2, where the German panzergrenadiers/dismounts fought more often than not from their halftracks, allowing them to keep pace with the tanks and also maintain initiative through aggressive maneuvering.
      A Bradley, Puma, K21 and so on is not designed for that type of combat. It's essentially an APC that drops off troops 100m from the fight. The CV9040 drops off troops within 0-50m from the enemy position, or simply drives up to it and let's the troops fight mounted.
      In Afghanistan it was apparently tremendously deadly. The Danish or Norwegians were caught in some kind of fight/ambush and they annihilated the enemy.
      P.S
      1073 BHP in the high end version that is amphibic and extremely mobile in mudd and snow.
      D.S

  • @eagle-gx4qf
    @eagle-gx4qf Рік тому +2

    Why do you compare an old Marder and not the new Puma against the CV90? That makes a lot more sense. The Marder is over 50 years old. It makes no difference whether it has been updated.

  • @Viper6-MotoVlogger
    @Viper6-MotoVlogger Рік тому +4

    I quite like the CV90

  • @gooldii1
    @gooldii1 Рік тому +2

    Cv90 is a complete different World

  • @bernhardb4711
    @bernhardb4711 Рік тому +2

    Around 5.38, the Marder has better cross country capability? Really?! Germany doesn't have swamps and snow in the same way as northern Sweden...

    • @2canines
      @2canines Рік тому +2

      Norther Sweden got marsh land rather then swamp land.

    • @bernhardb4711
      @bernhardb4711 Рік тому +1

      @@2canines My bad Swenglish.

  • @georgedoolittle9015
    @georgedoolittle9015 3 місяці тому

    With Putin Russia now having lost upwards of 20,000 IFVs how well Western equipment does function in an offensive interventionist role will be now put to the test June, 2024 absolutely. The best IFVs on said battle space still remain Ladas and Scooby-Doo Vans but in theory that could change in a big way as the need for very large numbers of equipment becomes realized. That would mean for now anyways wheeled not tracked vehicles as presented here as the highway system upon in Western Russia is very advanced, intensive, extensive and not much used outside of Moscow proper.

  • @johnrogan8481
    @johnrogan8481 3 місяці тому

    Im glad that Sweden 🇸🇪 is in nato good ally with the USA 🇺🇸 Sweden 🇸🇪 and the USA have good militaries and good friendship and partnership with each other countries i love ❤ Sweden 🇸🇪 so much Sweden is a beautiful country and great culture 😀 ❤

  • @klausberfelde-je2ye
    @klausberfelde-je2ye 10 місяців тому

    I really love the CV90. But. If you are comparing in therms of Ukraine, I´m fine. If you want to compare actual european IFVs, why don´t you take Lynx or German Puma. Lynx (K41) is ordered by Hungary.

  • @andersolsson-g5f
    @andersolsson-g5f 4 місяці тому +1

    CV90

  • @simsim-kv8jm
    @simsim-kv8jm Рік тому +3

    CV90 👍💪

  • @gambanteinodal1246
    @gambanteinodal1246 Рік тому +1

    The CV90 is designed by Hägglunds before the current owners BAE Systems...

    • @Grid88
      @Grid88  Рік тому

      Thanks for the info.

  • @moritz9077
    @moritz9077 Рік тому +1

    compare it to the Puma not Marder....

  • @FXGreggan.
    @FXGreggan. Рік тому +1

    I really hope the 3P ammo was shipped to Ukraine as well..

  • @Silo-Ren
    @Silo-Ren Рік тому +1

    Man both of these puppies are amazing, really like that 40mm tho but wish they could combine both into one bad ass beast. 😉

  • @sabineworner5202
    @sabineworner5202 Рік тому +1

    Ukraine takes both without batting an eyelid.

  • @simsim-kv8jm
    @simsim-kv8jm Рік тому +1

    CV-90 👍👍👍💪💪💪💪

  • @thekasperrr
    @thekasperrr Рік тому

    Consdering the Marder is only exported to third world countries. I think that speaks for which of the above is the best.

  • @randyraudi7725
    @randyraudi7725 Рік тому

    Well even with all the upgrades it received the Marder is still 20 years older. There is reason why its going to be phased out, 20mm isn't bad, but you would prefer a higher calibre nowadays.

  • @danielberggren7747
    @danielberggren7747 10 місяців тому

    all depends on the weapon's package...

  • @Stisse57
    @Stisse57 Рік тому

    Why choose? Why not have both but in different roles?

  • @martinhardegard6714
    @martinhardegard6714 Рік тому

    In my opinion as a i-solider, they have the same purpose.

  • @donquixote1502
    @donquixote1502 Рік тому

    Both are very competent IFVs. CV90 is the winner.

    • @Grid88
      @Grid88  Рік тому

      CV90 is one hell of an IFV.

  • @jozefhubacek4518
    @jozefhubacek4518 Рік тому

    Koľko by za to dali v zberných surovinách?

  • @ADMG2003
    @ADMG2003 Рік тому

    Soundtracks name?

  • @jozefhubacek4518
    @jozefhubacek4518 Рік тому

    Good Iron!

  • @SmedleyDouwright
    @SmedleyDouwright Рік тому +2

    I like the CV90 because it looks better and has a bigger gun.

    • @globalcitizen8321
      @globalcitizen8321 Рік тому

      Military equipment acquisition is not about looks, but about effectiveness, logistics and economy of scale.

    • @Jonsson474
      @Jonsson474 Рік тому +1

      Just like the swedes. Better looking and with bigger guns.

  • @rosskious7084
    @rosskious7084 Рік тому

    Which CV9040 went?

    • @tomeng9520
      @tomeng9520 Рік тому

      it is in the garage ! didn't you hear it park there ?

  • @jackarrows1436
    @jackarrows1436 Рік тому

    🫡

  • @sorennilsson9742
    @sorennilsson9742 Рік тому

    The lack of an antitank missile is a handicap for the CV 90. However the CV 90 will be the king of the night.

    • @dirreeN
      @dirreeN Рік тому +4

      The latest version of the CV90 got the ATGM AKERON missile 👍

    • @zoom5024
      @zoom5024 Рік тому +5

      @@dirreeN both AKERON and Spike-LR have been tested on the CV90.

    • @ugvadugvaw
      @ugvadugvaw Рік тому +2

      Soldiers in the back can carry Nlaw or Javelin.

    • @klaabu99
      @klaabu99 Рік тому +2

      @@ugvadugvaw nah ...soldiers in back will carry carl gustav ... :)

  • @Netzjargon
    @Netzjargon Рік тому +1

    Marder better

  • @johnrogan8481
    @johnrogan8481 3 місяці тому

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