People complain WAY too much for the stupidest things and have to ruin it for everyone else that actually love and appreciate this stuff. These stupid people act like the franchise only belongs and should be for the older fans. It’s a franchise for EVERYONE and the Acolyte was to bring in new fans as well. The dialogue sucked, but all of the movies are. Thanks a lot to all the negative Nancys out there !!!!
They didn't need to abandon TV shows, they just needed to hire competent writers, or get rid of the executives making poor decisions and getting in the way.
@@craigmoffitt2374 lol i never trashed anything. I even liked Acolyte, despite that I wished they would have leaned into the "sith story" much more. But the facts are that only Mandolorian and Andor have good writing, with Andor being far and away the best Star Wars TV show produced so far. It was the best TV show of 2022 out of any genre.
@@craigmoffitt2374 It was relentlessly trashed because the output was trash. With the exception of The Mandalorian, Andor and Rogue One, the quality of post Disney purchase of Star Wars has been pretty poor.
Just because something gets relentlessly trashed doesn't mean opinions can't be changed. Ahsoka was originally hated beyond belief like nearly jar jar level of hate when she was first introduced. But with some damn good writing and character development she became one of star wars most beloved characters. Yes the acolyte got a lot of hate before it even came out but if it was done well then all the haters woulda sat down and shut up. But since the show wasn't actually very good they just started yelling louder
@@craigmoffitt2374the fact anyone could even succeed at such a plan shows the ineptitude of direction and writing. Better primary stories exist in shows of hour long episodes with "villain of the week" formats, everything released other than mando and andor acts like it has the grand runtime of 22 episodes and 5-7 seasons to get to the point when the one consistency is around 8 episodes a season and no second season.
What I don't understand is how someone like Kathleen Kennedy is allowed to keep failing over and over, and there are absolutely no consequences. It seems like in the corporate world, you eventually reach a place where you are unfirable, and when they do finally make you leave (as a "retirement") you are given millions of dollars for your failures.
@@Elezium Yes. And how many of them was she actually _in charge_ of? She's been very good at enabling directors and other producers to create their masterpieces. She's clearly done a great job when working _for_ someone else, but that's not the job she's doing now. She's hiring and firing directors and deciding on creative directions. It's a completely different skill set, and it's one she's absolutely failed at. Under her Star Wars has steadily become less and less profitable.
@@BalaamsAss she is the poster child. The worst part is she had George Lucas' blessing, and she stabbed him in the back by destroying his babies (I'm including Indiana Jones).
This will ve a mistake. I'm already hearing complaints about how streaming series are being handled. I'm old enough to remember 24 episodes a year, EVERY YEAR. This included sciFi series. If we need to wait 3 years between every season of only 8 episodes, people will give up on it. 3 years between movies was fine. It was grander, more limited, but now, it's getting ridiculous. And this goes for more Than just Star Wars. People will give up on it. Give us 10 episodes a year, every year, or every other if you alternate shows. 24 episodes included filler episodes, steps away ftom the main story. Look at Star Trek Deep Space 9. They introduced ep8c multi season stories, and delivered. Weekly. Even the filler episodes delivered. This is a shame.
And to take what you said a step further, back then TV shows also got a chance to find their footing. The first season of Next Generation is easily their worst and some would say flat out bad. But the network gave them a chance to work it out and fix some things and the result was 6 seasons that are very well regarded. Now it's 8 episode seasons and if it isn't a hit after 4 episodes it gets flamed to death.
that right there just about has me giving up altogether. I mean never watch anything Disney or DEI induce Disney want-to-be star wars. even the writers were hired based on knowing nothing about Star Wars. come on man!? If this so-called Ray movie is made that's it for me because 7, 8, and 9 are Darth Vader's dreams of what will happen if the emperor kills Luke and that is the conflict within him that Obi-Wan sees.
@troubleondemand7703 there was no network. People forget that TNG was syndicated from the start. Networks has to buy the show to air. Paramount, knowing that Star Trek made money. And tge fact that season 1 made money by being syndicated gave it a season 2. Had TNG been a network show it would have been canceled.
Thats truly what dissapointed me about Ahsoka. 8, 30-45 min episodes. Could have had 8 hours easily, could have had 10 hours over 10 episodes easily. Its all about what you spend the money on. Theyve thrown money at CGI etc when all that is needed for 90% of a show, is good dialogue and storytelling. Couple of characters sat in a room, dueling on a smal set. No big scenery etc. Think reservoir dogs etc. That takes quality though, which (except for R1/Andor) I dont think Disney SWs has ever really had.
Am I right in thinking that animated shows cost far, far less to produce than live action ? I want to see more Star Wars animation. The Clone Wars, Rebels and The Bad Batch quietly got on with the job of producing well-written, engaging stories that, I for one, loved with characters I cared about. It would be fascinating to see a break-down of exactly where The Acolyte's budget went, but we probably never will. One thing is certain, that obscene amount of money was wasted.
The acolyte t.v series cost $15,000,000 more to make than Dune. Think about that for a minute. With the group of ‘A’ listers that were in the cast of Dune, I honestly expect Rebecca Fergusson’s pay check to have more than covered the entire cast of the acolyte. Where the hell did the money go? Headland needs to be investigated for fraud.
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this is what happens when women run things its as simple as that
@@craigmoffitt2374curious, if it’s the toxic fans that are the issue, why did the Acolyte fail to even register on viewership reports? The show is crap, not the fans
Andor is boring as fuck and nobody watched it except for the few fans such as yourself. That's fine that you like it, but the main fanbase, however, doesn't. The merchandise didn't sell either, nor will the upcoming merchandise that Disney and Hasbro are trying to push.
with the garbage they been putting out ..putting LGBT agenda in thie rshows and moving away from George Lucas vision..its not Star Wars. The force is not Female it has females in it.... cancel it.
@@Cnw8701 not even true anymore. andor had low initial numbers but most of the fanbase has come around to it, and basically everyone who's watched it is a fan. sorry if wasn't for you though, but don't act like you speak for the fandom.
It's the quality that is important, not the quantity. Film or Show don't matter. People won't go to the theater if the movie is bad. If it's good, people will watch it and praise Star Wars again. But, the quality must be there. There are gazillions of other shows out there so if you want people to watch your show/film, you must give them a reason. More quality = more $$$. Since there are shows that cost the same amount as the Acolyte and were x10 better, so fixing the accounting should be a priority.
Disney has the money and ability to do both quality and quantity. It's Disney's woke agenda that is the problem, along with seemingly want to give a big FU to established lore.
Bob Iger tried to do this before. He made big points about spreading SW out the last time he was chair after Solo did bad at the box office. He wanted to make it's failure about "too much Star Wars too fast", instead of the fact that viewers that hated TLJ (stupidly) took it out on SOLO. The only reason I think we even have things like The Mandalorian/Mandoverse, Andor, or people like Charles Soule & Dave Filoni have been promoted to creative exec status is because Bob Chepak let Kathleen Kennedy do her job. I think this is also why poor Lando keeps getting pushed off too. Iger is obsessed with feature films and wants to spread it all out with only one film a year. I'm not a sequel hater by any means either, but would concede that it wasn't executed as well as it could have been if there weren't so many people involved. Again, Iger was chair when those films were made. I'm not saying quality doesn't at all matter, or that everything is going to be a hit, but sometimes it is not quality that is ruining the film industry, but people's prefrences and asumptions being turned into staunch facts and attempting to rip it apart at every turn instead of having discussions with people who may disagree, to see if they can better understand it/see if their critasisms are fair. People could just not watch and that's fine, but now we are talking pre-review bombing, review bombing merch, and making money off of hate.
I don't speak for all Star Wars fans - but this is what I might do: 1 Hire George Lucas as a consultant - DO NOT give him the keys back and DO NOT let him have final say, but consult, ask him what his universe was like outside of the main Skywalker story, ask him about how he would make your stories fit into his universe, and then LISTEN to what he says and adjust your stories to fit his thoughts. 2 Better story telling, not messaging. Saying this doesn't make me anti-anything, Andor had 2 lesbians on the show, and I don't recall any of the same objections that I saw in Acolyte for example. Just tell good stories and stop focusing on your message. 3 I think what made Rogue One and Andor, and the first two seasons of Mando exciting was that it felt like a Star Wars universe, characters we are familiar with that and such. Keep that going, make stories with familiar Star Wars feel 4 Stop changing loved characters. Mess around with new characters all you want, but don't for example, Take a Bounty Hunter like Boba Fett and turning them into something that isn't a consistent with the developed character. The situation with Luke in the Last Jedi was a primary example. Fans already had an idea of who Luke Skywalker is and they completely changed it so much so that even the actor who played the character didn't understand. If a beloved character has a history and the fans have a preset knowledge of what they expect of them in the future don't go COMPLETELY the other way. 5 Stop attacking or changing what came before. The acolyte tried to make Jedi bad, tried to make the council naïve and unaware, they tried to make diminish their powers- if you want to do a show called WHAT IF, do it, but why are you changing what is already established. Anyway I've typed to long and no one who should read this will so I call it a day :)
Nah they don't have to bring Lucas back. Just go off the comic books they threw away. You know the stuff they said they didn't have any source material.
I hope this doesn’t apply to Star Wars animation! The Bad Batch was so good. I want to see what comes next. Gimme some Asaj Ventress and/or the Hidden Path plz!
The Star Wars movies have been (mostly) great but I often like the Disney+ TV format even better - you get content to watch every week from home and also Disney gets to tell stories that are longer than a movie and not have the big gaps in between where I would move on to other content. Also, going to a theater can be a pain and the "big screen" is not as much of a big deal as it once was. Another thing about Disney+ is that Disney gets to keep all the revenues where for the movies they have to split them for with the theaters and they also incur much more marketing and distribution costs. I feel moving away from Disney+ and back to making movies is not moving forward but moving backward.
Thank you for saying what needed to be said. Their last movie was arguably the worst SW movie, and theres alot more at stake w a single movie. I love the series. All of em, i do occasional rewatches and its nice to have available when i want to visit. Its frustrating this is happening, and keeps happening w the ‘fans’. Ugh
Exactly. I remember as a kid having only three movies to watch, time and time and time again. I've loved the Disney+ model and new stories from new and old characters alike. SW fans have been sooking since the prequels and are never satisfied with constant bickering about what is/isn't canon. Lucas wrote and rewrote content all the time. There are heaps of plot holes in his work. For goodness sake, it's just entertainment, not reality. So many dogmatic fans have ruined it for the rest of us long-timers who have thoroughly enjoyed the Disney+ content. I really liked the Acolyte and would welcome more Sith-orientated stories. Alas, now back to the big screen and the great waits in between. Since many so-called fans won't support SW content, now we won't get SW content.
Give us fans a solid Vader show set between episodes 3 and 4. There are so many absolutely epic and badass moments in the comics that would be so awesome to see in live action. Example: Rebel ambush to Vader: you're surrounded! Vader: I'm surrounded by dead men and fear
I doubt this will never happen but what I really wish they would do is just come out and make an announcement saying they're going to do a soft reboot of Star Wars and everything post episode 6 is going to be considered non-canon and they're going to go back to taking elements from Star Wars Legends and you know here's a brilliant idea why don't they actually focus on the Old Republic like the fans have been wanting them to do
@@Theworldisscrewed Problem is with reduced releases, at what point does it become worth it/not worth it to stay subscribed? Right now other that Andor and Ashoka, I don't see a reason to subscribe. No animated content has been announced that I'm aware of.
@@RajSingh-v7i8z aw, sorry you didn’t like it. I thought it was pretty good, like 7/10. I’ve watched it three or four times now, really don’t get the dislike/hate.
They dont need to stop or reduce making shows but take on better writters,directors and actors that understand the star wars universe and know what most fans want because they want it to.
Why do we think StarWars will do better on the Big Screen… Let’s face it the only good thing that came to the screen, in recent years, was Rogue One They need to get to the root cause, like sticking to the theme/plot when writing or giving what the fans want “Luke Skywalker” What was the ratings like on Andore season two finally
It will be really sad if the TV shows go. If they take a timeout to rethink what are doing and find some stronger storylines and better writers and comeback stronger it could be a good move. However, if they have a couple of duff movies then the whole legacy is dead!
Disney dragging their feet making content, people wanted Luke Skywalker, Disney killed him. Then continued to ignore the problem. We were robbed, they still have no content planned we hoped for when Disney first acquired the Star Wars franchise. I doubt Disney is capable of fixing it. I know you are holding out for hope. This just looks like more of nothing to me, with not even a hint they are any path of correcting the ship's course.
If they really wanted to, they could bring him back. Ppl may complain at first, but in the end, i don't think fans would complain if Luke came back as Grandmaster Luke, and ended up being a great character. He could even turn into the wisest & strongest character in the universe after coming back from being one with the force. All that could just have been part of his character arc, turning him into the best jedi in the galaxy. It wouldn't be the first time a character was retconned back from the dead. They just choose not to out of stubbornness.
George Lucas was never going to adapt the old EU, because he had his own ideas and never saw it as "canan". In fact he also wanted there to be a "discruntle isolated older Luke". It might be where either Abrams and/or Johnson got the idea in the first place. I don't know if he would of killed Luke, but Mark Hamill is also not a spring chicken and even though a lot of people say they are ok with recasting Luke now, I can't blame Disney for not wanting to take that chance right after they bought Lucasfilm and I get the idea of wanting to say goodbye to the legacey characters, while trying to introduce a new generation of characters for a post Skywalker Saga story. I do think though they are growing the mythology on the Force Ghost's being able to have bigger roles/afterlife redemption arcs and there are also other plot devices like TWBW that could allow us to get some more Luke one way or another.I also wouldn't mind some kind Luke mini-series set in the Mandoverse. I think they are getting better with using some of the tech they have used to recreate a Hamill-ish looking/sounding Luke.
They are willing to blame anything other than their own bad writing and catering to agendas few people are actually interested in. Even the people they are "catering" to, arent coming out in droves to watch. If they don't fix that, it will fail on the big screen, the same way it did last time, as well as on the small screen.
I've got my doubts about keeping my Disney+ subscription if there's only going to be one short series per year. One big issue for me with it has been the long wait between series of less than 10 episodes. At best, I think I'm going to start just canceling my subscription in the down times between releases.
They listened to the loud mouth few instead of the loyal many. Disney did this to themselves. They were given a winning formula with a bow and they kicked it to the curb and said people will love this! Bye Disney plus Bye Disney stocks Bye SW toys I think many media apps in general I’m going to be canceling, the content getting pumped out…just sucks all round. Writers in the strike should have all been fired and hired new!
Ignoring the success of Andor would be a mistake. That must be the standard. And I hope the animation series aren’t cut down, that’s required to build the lore and canon new live action projects can build on.
just because they take longer to make doesn't mean its better the sht show began Last Jedi ! a movie. Andor and Mandalorian have been the best starwars since the clone wars
I think the first thing is to explain where that $180m went. That is an eye-watering amount of money - it didn't show up on-screen either in visuals, acting or, more importantly, in story-telling. But concentrating on the big screen? No. They've done that and royally buggered that up. I enjoy the shorter form of the TV series where, even though the quality can vary, is not the all-or-nothing approach of cinema.
A "Wider" Audience is not going to happen if they can't make peace with the original fans that they Hate. Its why I stopped watching Disney shills. There was a demographic that was loyal. In the effort to bring in a broader fan base it was Disney that became toxic to the fans they already had. I see no reason to go back. Its not as if they apologised for the abuse they inflicted.
Apart from the Acolyte, I've been enjoying everything. Sure some of them could have been way better sure, but it's been giving me my Star Wars fix. Even with all the negativity surrounding it, I'm enjoying Star War Outlaws. So this is pretty sad for me 😪
The failure is in the writing. Star Wars fans want the writing to stay true to Canon and the latest stories including the Acolyte were full of contradictions. Its simple, hire writers that are true Star Wars fans.
It’s sad because it’d be nice if we got quality shows with great writers to do the shows. Star Wars deserves good well thought out projects that does the franchise justice ❤️
I think Disney went wrong from the beginning with Star Wars. There were already over 100 books written extending the original SW 9 movie timelines. The cannon was already there and pretty well received, but Disney decided to ignore all that great work and write all new stories. Its all such a shame for Star Wars fans. It didn't have to be this way. Disney has mostly ruined Star Wars for me.
As a series junkie who places Andor right up there with Fargo and Chernobyl and who didn't go completely ballistic and all melodramatic with the other stuff that might or might not be a little rough around the edges I'm telling you this is bad.
It sounds like a lot of the problems still spur from Kathleen Kennedy's inability to manage Star Wars. If you look back at the stuff that we wanted that wasn't very good, she still had creative control over some of those projects. I think after Kenobi, she was removed from making any creative choices on anything Star Wars except Acolyte. Acolyte was supposed to be her 'big great project' the one that was supposed to be her like magnum opus, before retiring. So lets clear the table, and focus on the real problem. It's not just Disney+'s viewership, it's how earlier projects were handled. Meg is right. Why didn't the series we wanted, get the bigger budget? Because they weren't Kathleen Kennedy's High Republic baby project.
There's "Making Money" and then there's "MAKING MONEY!!!!" I think many of the Star Wars series have made a profit, just not the uber profit Disney was hoping for. Mando was a big hit, and I think Disney falsely believed that every Star Wars show they create should do as well. It's the standard against which all others are measured. Kenobi made a profit, just not the big bucks they were hoping for. In hind sight, I bet they're thinking that they probably should've done a second season after all.
I would just appreciate something spiritual and magical and well-written. I don't care if it's a movie or streaming. The lack of success might just be from not doing third or fourth drafts. The Acolyte just needed to be refined. Everybody loves the Mandalorian, because Jonny boy understands the magical spirit of hope in Star Wars.
They need to consolidate all these projects down to a small team. The team responsible for the wins. The rogue 1 and Andor. The main Mando team. The bad batch team. Quit handing out star wars projects like candy at Halloween. It'll slow it down and up the quality.
It’s not about dilution, it’s simply about quality. We can have half a dozen amazing shows from different eras if the quality is there. That’s all the fans are looking for. Put out a great product and we will love and support it. That’s it, folks…
@@crypticmaster830 I beg to differ but Ashoka was not very good, Mandalorian season 3 was equally as bad and being a fan groomed on the Original Trilogy, I really cannot get into the animated shows.
Output is not the problem, it is the quality of the story telling that matters. True fans are hungry for new content. It doesn't matter how often it comes if it is good and builds on previous material. The average season used to be 23 episodes, then it became 12; now it is 6-8. Content creators are becoming lazy!
If they give me one Andor a year, I will keep Disney+ subscribed forever, but if there is no promissing new Andoresque thing comming, I will cancel the moment Andor is over.
Just because they do 1 show instead of 3, that doesn't mean they will put more care and dedication into the 1 series. There would still be interest in S.W if it was good, the problem isn't that we have "too much" it's just not good.
No Meg, I disagree. This is not a good thing for Star Wars. It was never problem of “too many shows.” It was bad writing about stories and characters that just didn’t appeal to the core customers.
But didn't George talk about the prequels back in the 80s? He prepared the audience, and he wanted to start it quicker. But it got pushed back to him starting TPM back in 1994
They had double the budget of Obiwan for Acolyte? The acting and story was godawful. All they need to do is tell a story the best they can like how they think Lucas would tell it. We don’t need lessons in equality. We don’t need every race to be represented. We don’t need every gender having a partner in a show or movie. We don’t even care about seeing people kiss. All we want is a simple formula. Try to imagine a simple, galaxy far far away. Tell us a simple story of space battles, smuggling, lightsabers, blasters, good vs evil. Don’t over complicate things. Do give us propaganda. Don’t educate us. All we want is simple, Star Wars. No frills no thrills, just Star Wars
Exactly, the story bacame DEI and not Star Wars. Disney killed the frasnshise by imposing DEI quotas at every level to make the rainbow happy, then DEI decided to make the shows about them and not Star Wars.
I thought theaters were a dying business. Everyone is streaming now. It seems like they are kicking a dead horse. They need to rebrand Disney+ to support more grownup content than cartoons and nature content that parents use to entertain their preschoolers. Parents take their kids to Disney and then wonder why the kids aren't impressed with the Millenium Falcon that no one has seen on screen in how many years? Parents might think it is cool, but their kids don't know anything about it.
@@Lilac-and-Gooseberries I agree, you ever think about how 8 episodes at about 45 mins long is about the equivalent of a whole ass trilogy worth of content and some how they still make it feel rushed
Well the last 3 movies just were god awful. Maybe keep it in house and not higher people like Leslie who has a history of stirring up trouble and divisive. I have not been a fan of anything Leslie has done and certainly not a fan Amandala the ignorant racist. But I definitely find it funny that Leslie killed Star Wars TV with her polished turd of a show the Crapolyte. Maybe Disney should just let Lucasfilm do the shows and movies because they are the cannon and won't trash it like Disney has. Lucasfilm did quality films and shows Disney does whatever they can to squeeze every cent out of a project. Lol well it's time to can Disney+ since the only reason I subscribe to it is Star Wars and well they have screwed up shows with excellent potential by hiring writers who just don't get Star Wars and they should be smart and take the books that were well recieved and bring them to live action and they will work better than the woke trainwrecks like the Crapolyte and Book of Bobba that turned the ruthless Boba the Fans loved into a big pussy.
4 out of the 9 films are not liked at all. Someone would even say 5 out of 9 if they didn't like The Phantom Menace. If you include Solo, Rogue One and The Clone Wars it goes to 6 (or 7) out of 12. Basically half (or more) of the movies are not very well liked at all.
@@troubleondemand7703 That’s not true at all lol. People liked all the prequels, Solo and Rogue One. The majority even liked Force Awakens. Stop making out like your personal opinion is fact, it really isn’t.
The things that make The Expanse, Foundation, Battlestar Galactica, and Star Trek: Strange New Worlds good come down to writing and direction. Star Wars live action has neither for the most part over the past few years.
I liked Mando S2, Ahsoka S1, Bad Batch, Clone Wars S7, Tales of the Jedi Meh Mando S1, Mando S3, Book of Boba, Andor S1, Tales of the Empire Crap Obi Wan (d+ version), Acolyte Obi Wan was saved partially by the Kai Patterson cut which I consider to be Canon
@WyldStallion-bs9oo I liked it all as well. But Clone wars was added to it not produced for It. Similar to the original movies. However I didn't watch Acolyite becuase they literally said it's not for all star wars fans and we shouldn't watch it. So I listened.
The problem with star wars is producers who want to take the name and reinvent it in they’re image. To quote the great Patrick Swayze, their ego’s writing a check their ass can’t cash.
No, but they need to realize compelling and complex stories are better than spending. Ok we watched the Acolyte, but I prefer Kenobi. And I think Acolyte spending is laughable high. WTH are they spending it on??
The problem is not whether it is a movie or a series, but its quality. I even prefer TV series if they are good, they are longer than the movie and introduce many interesting threads. A film can focus on one main plot and two or three side plots. But looking at what the recent Star Wars series were like, maybe it's a good change, maybe the movies will be better
Whether it's Movie or TV won't matter as long as the showrunners are more focused on visualizing the world they want here than they are on a galaxy far far away.
They better not end! Because we need the Mandalorian season 4, knights of the new Republic tv series, and the second seasons of Obi-Wan Kenobi, the book of Boba Fett, the acolyte, tales of the Jedi. The new Jedi order movie will release on December 2025 and I really wish I was in that movie. I could be the son of Luke Skywalker.
K. Kennedy of Lucasfilm should step down one way or another. Projects under her tenure are have diminishing numbers whether it's theater seats or retaining streaming subscriptions. Looking back on the last dozen years, her business model is not the way, despite some highlights.
The Mandalorian season #1 and #2 worked because it was not produced and managed to death. Star Wars worked when Disney was letting smaller players play with a simple, well focus story.
I think you are right but I think its even more complicated and personal than that. I see two factions at Disney. One faction is led by Kathleen Kennedy, who wants Star Wars to become her legacy. She grossly misunderstands the mythology, but thinks she does in a narcissists' way. And she hires people who are like minded in that Star Wars can be whatever they want. (Like JJ Abrams). Th other faction is led by Jon Favreu, and they rely on Dave Filoni. This faction wants to expand Star Wars, but they want to do it in a way that honors what George Lucas would want and the mythology George built. Filoni in particular has a deep grasp of the mythology, although his writing skills are still in development. On paper all these people are on the same team - but not in principle. And if you follow the trail of interviews and insider reports ever since the sequel trilogy launched, the division at Lucasfilm becomes obvious.
The magic of Star Wars is lost because of the terrible writers who have an agenda and no love for Star Wars. Disney if you want Star Wars to succeed, you need the people who worked on the Expanded Universe cause they understand Star Wars more than KK and all the writers used by Lucasfilm so far. They understand Star Wars better than the hacks working on the High Republic era.
I get Disney pulling back a bit on Star Wars. But doing things differently is not the answer. They must do wholly different things. If they think that the big screen will save the franchise, they are mistaken. Things are not going well at the box office for anyone. They need to combine excellent writing (think Tony Gilroy level of writing) with the creative vision of George Lucas. Story telling recently has become perocial, myopic and way to niche oriented. Stick to Core Values shared by nearly everyone in the world. Entertainment is an escape. So tell a simple story in an epic fashion. That was George's formula. Old tropes, but in unfamiliar settings using cutting edge methods of production to create a visually rich back-drop for the story, hence, making an old trope, feel fresh.
Sooooo much drama Meg…..no official announcement but somehow what you say is true. A reduction or change in model IS NOT AN ENDING. You use to be reliable, but now I think you just use dramatic headlines to get clicks only to reveal nothing new.
TBH the Acolyte wasn't as bad as people make it out to be. The Stranger is probably the most compelling Sith character since Vader. The budget was ridiculous though and the reason people might not come out to the theatrical release has more to do with how terrible the sequel trilogy was vs. the quality of the TV series that followed it. All of which were better than the Rise of Skywalker.
If it is for the big screen, it must be a story worth a trilogy .... but if it is just a filler i.e. an 8 episode show, TV would be fine .... dear Meg please tell them to renew Obiwan, Boba and Ahsoka without delay ... don't let the wound fester!~ Take care and God bless!~ And thanks for your hard work!~
The Mandolorian was a big hit! Season 1 and 2 were amazing. They just need to write good stories. That’s it. Return to your roots, Disney. Look at why The Mandolorian was and still is loved by the fans. Good stories, good quality = happy fans = more streams.
I think the problem is with management getting in the way. I believe some of your criticism and reporting show that management changes shows like the Acolyte to be what they think will be popular. When they stay out of the way we get truly great work like Andor.
Star Wars should go back to being a strict movie franchise with merchandise. They should also jump a few thousand years in the time line and show the war between the Light and Dark is eternal .
So which movies (lately) were so great that its proof SW is best as movie franchise? Ironically best SW content in last decade were shows like animated series SW Clone Wars ad TV show Andor. If i based my opinion only on this criteria then they should rather make series animated or live action. But honestly i just like to see quality like those 2 in ANY next projects - tv show, movie or animated series dosnt matter that much to me.
TV shows, movies, it doesn't matter. If they're not made by talented people (Andor is; Ahsoka had lots of good things despite of some goofiness), or if Kathleen Kennedy is still there to mess with it, it won't make any difference.
Meg. I work for a very large, and well known software development company as a Product Manager, and your analysis in this video (and many others for that matter) of the Disney situation was as good as a product marketing manager would deliver within our organization. Your balance and professionalism are consistently stellar, making you my go-to channel for Star Wars news. Absolutely brilliant.
Thoughts on this news? 👇🧡
Half The Acolyte's budget went in Headland's pocket.
Star Wars is not dead and if it is to you, then that’s you
People complain WAY too much for the stupidest things and have to ruin it for everyone else that actually love and appreciate this stuff. These stupid people act like the franchise only belongs and should be for the older fans. It’s a franchise for EVERYONE and the Acolyte was to bring in new fans as well. The dialogue sucked, but all of the movies are. Thanks a lot to all the negative Nancys out there !!!!
@@sonnyhernandez9607 be quiet the acolyte was awful broke canon and got the backlash it deserved
The Acolyte might not be all that great, but tons more people would've given it a chance if it hadn't been review bombed.
That's just my thoughts...
They didn't need to abandon TV shows, they just needed to hire competent writers, or get rid of the executives making poor decisions and getting in the way.
The fact that those like you relentlessly trashed everything they have tried to do should be considered.
@@craigmoffitt2374 lol i never trashed anything. I even liked Acolyte, despite that I wished they would have leaned into the "sith story" much more. But the facts are that only Mandolorian and Andor have good writing, with Andor being far and away the best Star Wars TV show produced so far. It was the best TV show of 2022 out of any genre.
@@craigmoffitt2374 It was relentlessly trashed because the output was trash. With the exception of The Mandalorian, Andor and Rogue One, the quality of post Disney purchase of Star Wars has been pretty poor.
Just because something gets relentlessly trashed doesn't mean opinions can't be changed. Ahsoka was originally hated beyond belief like nearly jar jar level of hate when she was first introduced. But with some damn good writing and character development she became one of star wars most beloved characters. Yes the acolyte got a lot of hate before it even came out but if it was done well then all the haters woulda sat down and shut up. But since the show wasn't actually very good they just started yelling louder
@@craigmoffitt2374the fact anyone could even succeed at such a plan shows the ineptitude of direction and writing.
Better primary stories exist in shows of hour long episodes with "villain of the week" formats, everything released other than mando and andor acts like it has the grand runtime of 22 episodes and 5-7 seasons to get to the point when the one consistency is around 8 episodes a season and no second season.
What I don't understand is how someone like Kathleen Kennedy is allowed to keep failing over and over, and there are absolutely no consequences. It seems like in the corporate world, you eventually reach a place where you are unfirable, and when they do finally make you leave (as a "retirement") you are given millions of dollars for your failures.
Do you have any idea how many massive blockbuster movies she's been behind and how many billions of $ she's made for studio's?
@@Elezium Yes. And how many of them was she actually _in charge_ of? She's been very good at enabling directors and other producers to create their masterpieces. She's clearly done a great job when working _for_ someone else, but that's not the job she's doing now. She's hiring and firing directors and deciding on creative directions. It's a completely different skill set, and it's one she's absolutely failed at. Under her Star Wars has steadily become less and less profitable.
@@Elezium probably about the same amount of total disasters she has made and money she has lost.
They call it the Peter Principle. 'People are promoted to the level of their incompetence.'
@@BalaamsAss she is the poster child.
The worst part is she had George Lucas' blessing, and she stabbed him in the back by destroying his babies (I'm including Indiana Jones).
This will ve a mistake. I'm already hearing complaints about how streaming series are being handled. I'm old enough to remember 24 episodes a year, EVERY YEAR. This included sciFi series.
If we need to wait 3 years between every season of only 8 episodes, people will give up on it.
3 years between movies was fine. It was grander, more limited, but now, it's getting ridiculous.
And this goes for more Than just Star Wars.
People will give up on it.
Give us 10 episodes a year, every year, or every other if you alternate shows.
24 episodes included filler episodes, steps away ftom the main story.
Look at Star Trek Deep Space 9. They introduced ep8c multi season stories, and delivered. Weekly. Even the filler episodes delivered.
This is a shame.
And to take what you said a step further, back then TV shows also got a chance to find their footing. The first season of Next Generation is easily their worst and some would say flat out bad. But the network gave them a chance to work it out and fix some things and the result was 6 seasons that are very well regarded.
Now it's 8 episode seasons and if it isn't a hit after 4 episodes it gets flamed to death.
that right there just about has me giving up altogether. I mean never watch anything Disney or DEI induce Disney want-to-be star wars. even the writers were hired based on knowing nothing about Star Wars. come on man!? If this so-called Ray movie is made that's it for me because 7, 8, and 9 are Darth Vader's dreams of what will happen if the emperor kills Luke and that is the conflict within him that Obi-Wan sees.
@troubleondemand7703 there was no network. People forget that TNG was syndicated from the start. Networks has to buy the show to air.
Paramount, knowing that Star Trek made money. And tge fact that season 1 made money by being syndicated gave it a season 2.
Had TNG been a network show it would have been canceled.
Thats truly what dissapointed me about Ahsoka. 8, 30-45 min episodes.
Could have had 8 hours easily, could have had 10 hours over 10 episodes easily.
Its all about what you spend the money on. Theyve thrown money at CGI etc when all that is needed for 90% of a show, is good dialogue and storytelling.
Couple of characters sat in a room, dueling on a smal set. No big scenery etc. Think reservoir dogs etc.
That takes quality though, which (except for R1/Andor) I dont think Disney SWs has ever really had.
Yes I’ve been saying this also! what happened to the 22 episodes?
8 episodes at random lengths is weird lol! Like can we get back to 22 episodes?
Am I right in thinking that animated shows cost far, far less to produce than live action ? I want to see more Star Wars animation. The Clone Wars, Rebels and The Bad Batch quietly got on with the job of producing well-written, engaging stories that, I for one, loved with characters I cared about. It would be fascinating to see a break-down of exactly where The Acolyte's budget went, but we probably never will. One thing is certain, that obscene amount of money was wasted.
The acolyte t.v series cost $15,000,000 more to make than Dune. Think about that for a minute. With the group of ‘A’ listers that were in the cast of Dune, I honestly expect Rebecca Fergusson’s pay check to have more than covered the entire cast of the acolyte. Where the hell did the money go? Headland needs to be investigated for fraud.
this is what happens when women run things its as simple as that
Man, they gotta get rid of KK. Every set back leads to a knee jerk wrong reaction.
This one is not Kennedy’s fault. Bob Iger did this.
They should get rid of obnoxious toxic hate filled "fans" who hate everything.
@@craigmoffitt2374 those ppl have been around since The Empire Strikes Back
@@craigmoffitt2374 God forbid someone might have an opinion on the internet. Grow some thick skin or move to Hollywood.
@@craigmoffitt2374curious, if it’s the toxic fans that are the issue, why did the Acolyte fail to even register on viewership reports? The show is crap, not the fans
Don't cancel just make shows as good as Andor and you'll be fine!
Andor is boring as fuck and nobody watched it except for the few fans such as yourself. That's fine that you like it, but the main fanbase, however, doesn't. The merchandise didn't sell either, nor will the upcoming merchandise that Disney and Hasbro are trying to push.
with the garbage they been putting out ..putting LGBT agenda in thie rshows and moving away from George Lucas vision..its not Star Wars. The force is not Female it has females in it.... cancel it.
@@Cnw8701Andor is a British Spy series done in Space.
And if they are not good?
@@Cnw8701 not even true anymore. andor had low initial numbers but most of the fanbase has come around to it, and basically everyone who's watched it is a fan. sorry if wasn't for you though, but don't act like you speak for the fandom.
It's the quality that is important, not the quantity. Film or Show don't matter. People won't go to the theater if the movie is bad. If it's good, people will watch it and praise Star Wars again. But, the quality must be there. There are gazillions of other shows out there so if you want people to watch your show/film, you must give them a reason. More quality = more $$$. Since there are shows that cost the same amount as the Acolyte and were x10 better, so fixing the accounting should be a priority.
Disney has the money and ability to do both quality and quantity. It's Disney's woke agenda that is the problem, along with seemingly want to give a big FU to established lore.
Bob Iger tried to do this before. He made big points about spreading SW out the last time he was chair after Solo did bad at the box office. He wanted to make it's failure about "too much Star Wars too fast", instead of the fact that viewers that hated TLJ (stupidly) took it out on SOLO. The only reason I think we even have things like The Mandalorian/Mandoverse, Andor, or people like Charles Soule & Dave Filoni have been promoted to creative exec status is because Bob Chepak let Kathleen Kennedy do her job. I think this is also why poor Lando keeps getting pushed off too. Iger is obsessed with feature films and wants to spread it all out with only one film a year. I'm not a sequel hater by any means either, but would concede that it wasn't executed as well as it could have been if there weren't so many people involved. Again, Iger was chair when those films were made.
I'm not saying quality doesn't at all matter, or that everything is going to be a hit, but sometimes it is not quality that is ruining the film industry, but people's prefrences and asumptions being turned into staunch facts and attempting to rip it apart at every turn instead of having discussions with people who may disagree, to see if they can better understand it/see if their critasisms are fair. People could just not watch and that's fine, but now we are talking pre-review bombing, review bombing merch, and making money off of hate.
If that is true than I seen no reason to keep Disney+
Just trash that subscription then show them you won’t buy there product if there not gonna produce what you want as a consumer
I’m with you on that.
You might want to revisit all Star Wars content... once you realize all you missed.
@@mattrismatt I have and I just rewatched the Book of Boba Fett. I have watched all the Star Wars content multiple times
Get rid of it!
I don't speak for all Star Wars fans - but this is what I might do:
1 Hire George Lucas as a consultant - DO NOT give him the keys back and DO NOT let him have final say, but consult, ask him what his universe was like outside of the main Skywalker story, ask him about how he would make your stories fit into his universe, and then LISTEN to what he says and adjust your stories to fit his thoughts.
2 Better story telling, not messaging. Saying this doesn't make me anti-anything, Andor had 2 lesbians on the show, and I don't recall any of the same objections that I saw in Acolyte for example. Just tell good stories and stop focusing on your message.
3 I think what made Rogue One and Andor, and the first two seasons of Mando exciting was that it felt like a Star Wars universe, characters we are familiar with that and such. Keep that going, make stories with familiar Star Wars feel
4 Stop changing loved characters. Mess around with new characters all you want, but don't for example, Take a Bounty Hunter like Boba Fett and turning them into something that isn't a consistent with the developed character. The situation with Luke in the Last Jedi was a primary example. Fans already had an idea of who Luke Skywalker is and they completely changed it so much so that even the actor who played the character didn't understand. If a beloved character has a history and the fans have a preset knowledge of what they expect of them in the future don't go COMPLETELY the other way.
5 Stop attacking or changing what came before. The acolyte tried to make Jedi bad, tried to make the council naïve and unaware, they tried to make diminish their powers- if you want to do a show called WHAT IF, do it, but why are you changing what is already established.
Anyway I've typed to long and no one who should read this will so I call it a day :)
Thank you😊 for expressing my sentiments.
Nah they don't have to bring Lucas back. Just go off the comic books they threw away. You know the stuff they said they didn't have any source material.
The only reason I have Disney + is for Star Wars. Ouch time to cancel
Sounds like it’s time to cancel Disney+.
Say again fam. You ain’t never lying 😂🤜🏽🤛🏽
this is the way
Agreed
agreed
Yup!
I hope this doesn’t apply to Star Wars animation! The Bad Batch was so good. I want to see what comes next. Gimme some Asaj Ventress and/or the Hidden Path plz!
The Star Wars movies have been (mostly) great but I often like the Disney+ TV format even better - you get content to watch every week from home and also Disney gets to tell stories that are longer than a movie and not have the big gaps in between where I would move on to other content. Also, going to a theater can be a pain and the "big screen" is not as much of a big deal as it once was. Another thing about Disney+ is that Disney gets to keep all the revenues where for the movies they have to split them for with the theaters and they also incur much more marketing and distribution costs. I feel moving away from Disney+ and back to making movies is not moving forward but moving backward.
Thank you for saying what needed to be said.
Their last movie was arguably the worst SW movie, and theres alot more at stake w a single movie.
I love the series. All of em, i do occasional rewatches and its nice to have available when i want to visit.
Its frustrating this is happening, and keeps happening w the ‘fans’. Ugh
Well said
Exactly. I remember as a kid having only three movies to watch, time and time and time again. I've loved the Disney+ model and new stories from new and old characters alike. SW fans have been sooking since the prequels and are never satisfied with constant bickering about what is/isn't canon. Lucas wrote and rewrote content all the time. There are heaps of plot holes in his work. For goodness sake, it's just entertainment, not reality. So many dogmatic fans have ruined it for the rest of us long-timers who have thoroughly enjoyed the Disney+ content. I really liked the Acolyte and would welcome more Sith-orientated stories. Alas, now back to the big screen and the great waits in between. Since many so-called fans won't support SW content, now we won't get SW content.
Reducing the amount of quantity does not address anything to increase the quality of what will be put out.
Give us fans a solid Vader show set between episodes 3 and 4. There are so many absolutely epic and badass moments in the comics that would be so awesome to see in live action.
Example:
Rebel ambush to Vader: you're surrounded!
Vader: I'm surrounded by dead men and fear
That's crazy the acolyte really must have shook them
I doubt this will never happen but what I really wish they would do is just come out and make an announcement saying they're going to do a soft reboot of Star Wars and everything post episode 6 is going to be considered non-canon and they're going to go back to taking elements from Star Wars Legends and you know here's a brilliant idea why don't they actually focus on the Old Republic like the fans have been wanting them to do
No Star Wars shows? Sounds like I’ll be canceling my Disney+, if so.
Me too
that's not what was even said, they are reducing star wars shows not outright stopping shows from being made.
@@Theworldisscrewed Problem is with reduced releases, at what point does it become worth it/not worth it to stay subscribed? Right now other that Andor and Ashoka, I don't see a reason to subscribe. No animated content has been announced that I'm aware of.
Yes I will be cancelling, if no new Star Wars. The Acolyte is to blame, what absolute rubbish that was.
@@RajSingh-v7i8z aw, sorry you didn’t like it. I thought it was pretty good, like 7/10. I’ve watched it three or four times now, really don’t get the dislike/hate.
They dont need to stop or reduce making shows but take on better writters,directors and actors that understand the star wars universe and know what most fans want because they want it to.
Why do we think StarWars will do better on the Big Screen…
Let’s face it the only good thing that came to the screen, in recent years, was Rogue One
They need to get to the root cause, like sticking to the theme/plot when writing or giving what the fans want “Luke Skywalker”
What was the ratings like on Andore season two finally
It’s not the shows that need to end, it’s the writers and executives that keep shoving their agendas into the shows and movies.
I will continue to watch anything that has Grogu or Ashoka in it.
dude ur part of the problem that’s how they keep getting away with shitty writing
The same Ashoka floating and doing summersaults in space?....no thank you the quality has fallen greatly.
another mindless fan
Dude, NO! And this is from someone who's favorite Clone Wars character IS Ashoka
It will be really sad if the TV shows go. If they take a timeout to rethink what are doing and find some stronger storylines and better writers and comeback stronger it could be a good move. However, if they have a couple of duff movies then the whole legacy is dead!
Disney dragging their feet making content, people wanted Luke Skywalker, Disney killed him. Then continued to ignore the problem. We were robbed, they still have no content planned we hoped for when Disney first acquired the Star Wars franchise. I doubt Disney is capable of fixing it. I know you are holding out for hope. This just looks like more of nothing to me, with not even a hint they are any path of correcting the ship's course.
If they really wanted to, they could bring him back. Ppl may complain at first, but in the end, i don't think fans would complain if Luke came back as Grandmaster Luke, and ended up being a great character. He could even turn into the wisest & strongest character in the universe after coming back from being one with the force. All that could just have been part of his character arc, turning him into the best jedi in the galaxy. It wouldn't be the first time a character was retconned back from the dead. They just choose not to out of stubbornness.
George Lucas was never going to adapt the old EU, because he had his own ideas and never saw it as "canan". In fact he also wanted there to be a "discruntle isolated older Luke". It might be where either Abrams and/or Johnson got the idea in the first place. I don't know if he would of killed Luke, but Mark Hamill is also not a spring chicken and even though a lot of people say they are ok with recasting Luke now, I can't blame Disney for not wanting to take that chance right after they bought Lucasfilm and I get the idea of wanting to say goodbye to the legacey characters, while trying to introduce a new generation of characters for a post Skywalker Saga story. I do think though they are growing the mythology on the Force Ghost's being able to have bigger roles/afterlife redemption arcs and there are also other plot devices like TWBW that could allow us to get some more Luke one way or another.I also wouldn't mind some kind Luke mini-series set in the Mandoverse. I think they are getting better with using some of the tech they have used to recreate a Hamill-ish looking/sounding Luke.
They are willing to blame anything other than their own bad writing and catering to agendas few people are actually interested in. Even the people they are "catering" to, arent coming out in droves to watch.
If they don't fix that, it will fail on the big screen, the same way it did last time, as well as on the small screen.
I've got my doubts about keeping my Disney+ subscription if there's only going to be one short series per year. One big issue for me with it has been the long wait between series of less than 10 episodes. At best, I think I'm going to start just canceling my subscription in the down times between releases.
I’ve already done this. This is the way!
All they need to do is make more Clone Wars seasons and the ratings would go through the roof. 📈
The Acolyte wasn't the cause of the change. Iger had been hinting at this ever since he came back.
They listened to the loud mouth few instead of the loyal many. Disney did this to themselves. They were given a winning formula with a bow and they kicked it to the curb and said people will love this!
Bye Disney plus
Bye Disney stocks
Bye SW toys
I think many media apps in general I’m going to be canceling, the content getting pumped out…just sucks all round. Writers in the strike should have all been fired and hired new!
Ignoring the success of Andor would be a mistake. That must be the standard. And I hope the animation series aren’t cut down, that’s required to build the lore and canon new live action projects can build on.
just because they take longer to make doesn't mean its better the sht show began Last Jedi ! a movie. Andor and Mandalorian have been the best starwars since the clone wars
Kathleen Kennedy is the problem with Starwars
females in charge of something that is largely liked and consumed by males it whats wrong,
What needs to be done is giving KK her walking papers
I think the first thing is to explain where that $180m went. That is an eye-watering amount of money - it didn't show up on-screen either in visuals, acting or, more importantly, in story-telling. But concentrating on the big screen? No. They've done that and royally buggered that up. I enjoy the shorter form of the TV series where, even though the quality can vary, is not the all-or-nothing approach of cinema.
A "Wider" Audience is not going to happen if they can't make peace with the original fans that they Hate.
Its why I stopped watching Disney shills.
There was a demographic that was loyal. In the effort to bring in a broader fan base it was Disney that became toxic to the fans they already had.
I see no reason to go back. Its not as if they apologised for the abuse they inflicted.
Apart from the Acolyte, I've been enjoying everything. Sure some of them could have been way better sure, but it's been giving me my Star Wars fix. Even with all the negativity surrounding it, I'm enjoying Star War Outlaws. So this is pretty sad for me 😪
The failure is in the writing. Star Wars fans want the writing to stay true to Canon and the latest stories including the Acolyte were full of contradictions. Its simple, hire writers that are true Star Wars fans.
It’s sad because it’d be nice if we got quality shows with great writers to do the shows. Star Wars deserves good well thought out projects that does the franchise justice ❤️
It would, yes. Hopefully Disney just finally sells this IP to someone who will do just that.
Ahsoka has been good, why are they waiting so long to do season 2 and who knows if they'll do more after that? This really sucks!
I think Disney went wrong from the beginning with Star Wars. There were already over 100 books written extending the original SW 9 movie timelines. The cannon was already there and pretty well received, but Disney decided to ignore all that great work and write all new stories.
Its all such a shame for Star Wars fans. It didn't have to be this way. Disney has mostly ruined Star Wars for me.
As a series junkie who places Andor right up there with Fargo and Chernobyl and who didn't go completely ballistic and all melodramatic with the other stuff that might or might not be a little rough around the edges I'm telling you this is bad.
It sounds like a lot of the problems still spur from Kathleen Kennedy's inability to manage Star Wars. If you look back at the stuff that we wanted that wasn't very good, she still had creative control over some of those projects. I think after Kenobi, she was removed from making any creative choices on anything Star Wars except Acolyte. Acolyte was supposed to be her 'big great project' the one that was supposed to be her like magnum opus, before retiring. So lets clear the table, and focus on the real problem. It's not just Disney+'s viewership, it's how earlier projects were handled. Meg is right. Why didn't the series we wanted, get the bigger budget? Because they weren't Kathleen Kennedy's High Republic baby project.
There's "Making Money" and then there's "MAKING MONEY!!!!" I think many of the Star Wars series have made a profit, just not the uber profit Disney was hoping for. Mando was a big hit, and I think Disney falsely believed that every Star Wars show they create should do as well. It's the standard against which all others are measured. Kenobi made a profit, just not the big bucks they were hoping for. In hind sight, I bet they're thinking that they probably should've done a second season after all.
You would think having one of the most successful IPs in history that a major corporation would not destroy it…..oh wait…THEY DO IT EVERYTIME.
I would just appreciate something spiritual and magical and well-written. I don't care if it's a movie or streaming. The lack of success might just be from not doing third or fourth drafts. The Acolyte just needed to be refined. Everybody loves the Mandalorian, because Jonny boy understands the magical spirit of hope in Star Wars.
They need to consolidate all these projects down to a small team. The team responsible for the wins. The rogue 1 and Andor. The main Mando team. The bad batch team. Quit handing out star wars projects like candy at Halloween. It'll slow it down and up the quality.
That good sir is the correct answer!
It’s not about dilution, it’s simply about quality. We can have half a dozen amazing shows from different eras if the quality is there. That’s all the fans are looking for. Put out a great product and we will love and support it. That’s it, folks…
If Disney cannot do Star Wars right - good storytelling, trendsetting visuals - then I'd rather see the franchise go away.
Incorrect Mando, ahsoka, rebels and CW 7 are great
@@crypticmaster830Mando season 3 was awful and Ashoka is overrated
@@crypticmaster830 I beg to differ but Ashoka was not very good, Mandalorian season 3 was equally as bad and being a fan groomed on the Original Trilogy, I really cannot get into the animated shows.
@@crypticmaster830 incorrect rebels is shit same with mando s3 and ahsoka.
Fk Disney so focused on agenda driven politics then just making a good story
Output is not the problem, it is the quality of the story telling that matters. True fans are hungry for new content.
It doesn't matter how often it comes if it is good and builds on previous material.
The average season used to be 23 episodes, then it became 12; now it is 6-8. Content creators are becoming lazy!
Between this and a decline in Marvel content as well, it’s hard to see a reason to keep Disney+.
If they give me one Andor a year, I will keep Disney+ subscribed forever, but if there is no promissing new Andoresque thing comming, I will cancel the moment Andor is over.
Just because they do 1 show instead of 3, that doesn't mean they will put more care and dedication into the 1 series. There would still be interest in S.W if it was good, the problem isn't that we have "too much" it's just not good.
Two things, give Star Wars to people like Dave, Jon and Bryce. And we have to consume it or we won't get more
Not dave
No Meg, I disagree. This is not a good thing for Star Wars. It was never problem of “too many shows.” It was bad writing about stories and characters that just didn’t appeal to the core customers.
Eight 40-minute episodes a year. Great. Certainly not worth the subscription price of Disney+ to me.
Thats fine. I thought we wouldnt ever get anymore Star Wars after ROTJ, so its all been gravy
But didn't George talk about the prequels back in the 80s? He prepared the audience, and he wanted to start it quicker. But it got pushed back to him starting TPM back in 1994
There’s so much non-canon material going back nearly 40+ years that could be explored, but they keep coming up with mostly shite that nobody wants.
because Disney thinks they can do better with writing star wars than actual writers.
So… if they F’k up a couple of movies… would those be over too? 🤷🏻 this makes no sense
Nah then they switch back to the TV-series focus 😂
The amount per minute is insane. More than obi wan and boba? That points directly at lucasfilm. Storytelling should be way better, Andor proved that
They had double the budget of Obiwan for Acolyte? The acting and story was godawful. All they need to do is tell a story the best they can like how they think Lucas would tell it. We don’t need lessons in equality. We don’t need every race to be represented. We don’t need every gender having a partner in a show or movie. We don’t even care about seeing people kiss. All we want is a simple formula. Try to imagine a simple, galaxy far far away. Tell us a simple story of space battles, smuggling, lightsabers, blasters, good vs evil. Don’t over complicate things. Do give us propaganda. Don’t educate us. All we want is simple, Star Wars. No frills no thrills, just Star Wars
Exactly, the story bacame DEI and not Star Wars. Disney killed the frasnshise by imposing DEI quotas at every level to make the rainbow happy, then DEI decided to make the shows about them and not Star Wars.
There’s always an agenda lately. That’s why Marvel and Star Wars is deteriorating slowly under Disney.
I thought theaters were a dying business. Everyone is streaming now. It seems like they are kicking a dead horse. They need to rebrand Disney+ to support more grownup content than cartoons and nature content that parents use to entertain their preschoolers. Parents take their kids to Disney and then wonder why the kids aren't impressed with the Millenium Falcon that no one has seen on screen in how many years? Parents might think it is cool, but their kids don't know anything about it.
Star Wars usually worked best as films so hopefully this is a good thing.
doesn't matter the format. they need a story to tell. And not mashing together something just because it's time for more content ...
@@Lilac-and-Gooseberries I agree, you ever think about how 8 episodes at about 45 mins long is about the equivalent of a whole ass trilogy worth of content and some how they still make it feel rushed
Well the last 3 movies just were god awful. Maybe keep it in house and not higher people like Leslie who has a history of stirring up trouble and divisive. I have not been a fan of anything Leslie has done and certainly not a fan Amandala the ignorant racist. But I definitely find it funny that Leslie killed Star Wars TV with her polished turd of a show the Crapolyte. Maybe Disney should just let Lucasfilm do the shows and movies because they are the cannon and won't trash it like Disney has. Lucasfilm did quality films and shows Disney does whatever they can to squeeze every cent out of a project. Lol well it's time to can Disney+ since the only reason I subscribe to it is Star Wars and well they have screwed up shows with excellent potential by hiring writers who just don't get Star Wars and they should be smart and take the books that were well recieved and bring them to live action and they will work better than the woke trainwrecks like the Crapolyte and Book of Bobba that turned the ruthless Boba the Fans loved into a big pussy.
4 out of the 9 films are not liked at all. Someone would even say 5 out of 9 if they didn't like The Phantom Menace. If you include Solo, Rogue One and The Clone Wars it goes to 6 (or 7) out of 12. Basically half (or more) of the movies are not very well liked at all.
@@troubleondemand7703 That’s not true at all lol. People liked all the prequels, Solo and Rogue One. The majority even liked Force Awakens. Stop making out like your personal opinion is fact, it really isn’t.
The things that make The Expanse, Foundation, Battlestar Galactica, and Star Trek: Strange New Worlds good come down to writing and direction. Star Wars live action has neither for the most part over the past few years.
They need a team that builds and maintains the entire lore. Then find good directors that will follow the story that the lore team builds.
I actually like all the shows, I think they are entertaining, and I think the issue is people just like to complain
I'm just glad we got all of the Bad batch to a completion. That is the 1 thing they didn't right on Disney+
I liked Mando S2, Ahsoka S1, Bad Batch, Clone Wars S7, Tales of the Jedi
Meh Mando S1, Mando S3, Book of Boba, Andor S1, Tales of the Empire
Crap Obi Wan (d+ version), Acolyte
Obi Wan was saved partially by the Kai Patterson cut which I consider to be Canon
@WyldStallion-bs9oo I liked it all as well. But Clone wars was added to it not produced for It. Similar to the original movies. However I didn't watch Acolyite becuase they literally said it's not for all star wars fans and we shouldn't watch it. So I listened.
Toxic fans will not bother with the big screen movies anyway. So more seating for the rest of us.👍🏿
The problem with star wars is producers who want to take the name and reinvent it in they’re image. To quote the great Patrick Swayze, their ego’s writing a check their ass can’t cash.
No, but they need to realize compelling and complex stories are better than spending. Ok we watched the Acolyte, but I prefer Kenobi. And I think Acolyte spending is laughable high. WTH are they spending it on??
The problem is not whether it is a movie or a series, but its quality. I even prefer TV series if they are good, they are longer than the movie and introduce many interesting threads. A film can focus on one main plot and two or three side plots. But looking at what the recent Star Wars series were like, maybe it's a good change, maybe the movies will be better
Just because they slow-down, or focus on the Big Screen, doesn't mean they're going to change their approach. It's not the medium or the volume...
They could continue TV if they hired quality writers, directors and actors. Mandalorian is proof of that, fire Kennedy, then refocus.
Thanks for the honest review … Godzilla minus one cost $14 million. The acolyte cost $180 million. It is ridiculous.
Disney plus value is heavily decreasing then
Whether it's Movie or TV won't matter as long as the showrunners are more focused on visualizing the world they want here than they are on a galaxy far far away.
They better not end! Because we need the Mandalorian season 4, knights of the new Republic tv series, and the second seasons of Obi-Wan Kenobi, the book of Boba Fett, the acolyte, tales of the Jedi. The new Jedi order movie will release on December 2025 and I really wish I was in that movie. I could be the son of Luke Skywalker.
K. Kennedy of Lucasfilm should step down one way or another. Projects under her tenure are have diminishing numbers whether it's theater seats or retaining streaming subscriptions. Looking back on the last dozen years, her business model is not the way, despite some highlights.
The Mandalorian season #1 and #2 worked because it was not produced and managed to death. Star Wars worked when Disney was letting smaller players play with a simple, well focus story.
I think you are right but I think its even more complicated and personal than that. I see two factions at Disney. One faction is led by Kathleen Kennedy, who wants Star Wars to become her legacy. She grossly misunderstands the mythology, but thinks she does in a narcissists' way. And she hires people who are like minded in that Star Wars can be whatever they want. (Like JJ Abrams).
Th other faction is led by Jon Favreu, and they rely on Dave Filoni. This faction wants to expand Star Wars, but they want to do it in a way that honors what George Lucas would want and the mythology George built. Filoni in particular has a deep grasp of the mythology, although his writing skills are still in development.
On paper all these people are on the same team - but not in principle. And if you follow the trail of interviews and insider reports ever since the sequel trilogy launched, the division at Lucasfilm becomes obvious.
The magic of Star Wars is lost because of the terrible writers who have an agenda and no love for Star Wars. Disney if you want Star Wars to succeed, you need the people who worked on the Expanded Universe cause they understand Star Wars more than KK and all the writers used by Lucasfilm so far. They understand Star Wars better than the hacks working on the High Republic era.
Let's not forget that the animated series like Rebels and Clone Wars was some of the best storytelling ever produced. Solid work!!!
CLONE wars was inconsistent sometimes but star wars rebels was too kiddy for my taste
I get Disney pulling back a bit on Star Wars. But doing things differently is not the answer. They must do wholly different things. If they think that the big screen will save the franchise, they are mistaken. Things are not going well at the box office for anyone. They need to combine excellent writing (think Tony Gilroy level of writing) with the creative vision of George Lucas. Story telling recently has become perocial, myopic and way to niche oriented. Stick to Core Values shared by nearly everyone in the world. Entertainment is an escape. So tell a simple story in an epic fashion. That was George's formula. Old tropes, but in unfamiliar settings using cutting edge methods of production to create a visually rich back-drop for the story, hence, making an old trope, feel fresh.
How did we get from where we were at the end of Mando S2 to where we are now
I suspect the strike was a major factor along with mismanagement and pushing agendas.
They could release a SINGLE movie or show a year and it could still be crap if they don’t hire a good writer! 🚨
Sooooo much drama Meg…..no official announcement but somehow what you say is true. A reduction or change in model IS NOT AN ENDING. You use to be reliable, but now I think you just use dramatic headlines to get clicks only to reveal nothing new.
TBH the Acolyte wasn't as bad as people make it out to be. The Stranger is probably the most compelling Sith character since Vader. The budget was ridiculous though and the reason people might not come out to the theatrical release has more to do with how terrible the sequel trilogy was vs. the quality of the TV series that followed it. All of which were better than the Rise of Skywalker.
Agree
I think Star Wars could be a real success if they would return to the Heir of the Empire, Dark Force Rising and The Last Command as original sequels.
If it is for the big screen, it must be a story worth a trilogy .... but if it is just a filler i.e. an 8 episode show, TV would be fine .... dear Meg please tell them to renew Obiwan, Boba and Ahsoka without delay ... don't let the wound fester!~ Take care and God bless!~ And thanks for your hard work!~
More Mando and Ahsoka. The Acolyte story had potential but was written and acted horribly.
The Mandolorian was a big hit! Season 1 and 2 were amazing. They just need to write good stories. That’s it. Return to your roots, Disney. Look at why The Mandolorian was and still is loved by the fans. Good stories, good quality = happy fans = more streams.
I think the problem is with management getting in the way. I believe some of your criticism and reporting show that management changes shows like the Acolyte to be what they think will be popular. When they stay out of the way we get truly great work like Andor.
I want to see the Rex animated show that shows what happened to the clones
Star Wars should go back to being a strict movie franchise with merchandise. They should also jump a few thousand years in the time line and show the war between the Light and Dark is eternal .
So which movies (lately) were so great that its proof SW is best as movie franchise? Ironically best SW content in last decade were shows like animated series SW Clone Wars ad TV show Andor. If i based my opinion only on this criteria then they should rather make series animated or live action. But honestly i just like to see quality like those 2 in ANY next projects - tv show, movie or animated series dosnt matter that much to me.
TV shows, movies, it doesn't matter. If they're not made by talented people (Andor is; Ahsoka had lots of good things despite of some goofiness), or if Kathleen Kennedy is still there to mess with it, it won't make any difference.
👏give👏us👏more👏dave👏filoni👏animated👏clone👏shows👏
Saw the title and smiled
Disney....where Star Wars goes to die
Meg. I work for a very large, and well known software development company as a Product Manager, and your analysis in this video (and many others for that matter) of the Disney situation was as good as a product marketing manager would deliver within our organization. Your balance and professionalism are consistently stellar, making you my go-to channel for Star Wars news. Absolutely brilliant.
This will be tough for UA-camrs who talk about Star Wars they won’t have any content to talk about