Brand new Shell Lohnelier with 2400 kW Kempower charging, PV and more
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- Опубліковано 16 вер 2024
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The perfect motorway station. And yes, it should be the blueprint for comming ones.👍
Just a NACS and these would be great in North America too!
What I'm missing there is energy storage! Maybe lithium or VRFB or a hybrid LIVA battery.
The long term AC charging is a really good touch also, perfect for folks that want to stop overnight and rest for a few hours during a road trip and don't want/need to pay the higher DC charger fees. They really need to cover the entire sight in a solar awning parking garage style with a lot more storage for the solar to really help with charging the cars off peak solar day and night. 2400kW peak isn't very much for a sight this size when energy conversions come into play, though it's better than nothing. Then again most of the grid electricity in this region is no/low carbon anyway so they are a bit redundant.
This is the way all charging stations should be. Great job Shell.
What I'm missing though is energy storage! Maybe lithium or VRFB or a hybrid LIVA battery.
Looks really good. Only complaint I have is that when they do all the work of putting a roof over the chargers it should be a bit wider. When it's raining it's rarely coming straight above.
Plus would allow for bigger PV areas on the roof 😌
I'm missing energy storage! Maybe lithium or VRFB or a hybrid LIVA battery.
This is so awesome!!! Everything makes sense. So interesting to see how these rest stations will evolve. Excited to see this finally make it to the U.S. in like 2060.
were such laggards
Some energy storage there would be even better though! Maybe lithium or VRFB or a hybrid LIVA battery.
I'm with you, Bjorn, I like it a lot! Thumbs way up to Shell on this station!! Wow, Maybe someday in my lifetime in the US... I can hope.
Yes, I like it. We will be getting these here in South Africa soon. Total off grid charging stations using solar farms at 1kmx1km. I know that kempower is part of this build.
That building you were wondering about is probably just a regular substation transforming from 22kV to 400V for the chargers and possibly the gas station. It might be dedicated to the chargers as the other small substation near the truck parking entrance could also be for the station shop and lights in the area.
Effektbryter would be "circuit breaker".
We are in the US, my husband and I have been discussing how we WISH we had these set ups so that we could comfortably travel. What a fantastic place.
Thanks for sharing this with us.
The solar inverter on the roof makes perfect sense, it's not safety certified for use near petrol pumps (no solar inverter is, as zero market for that).
I just charged at greenstation. That was even better. Just a pity there still is so few of those.
Price clearly stated. Card payment. Under roof. No app needed.. but IF you choose to download their app you can register your number plate and it will charge you based on that. Awesome to see. Best charging experience by a mile so far
Hey Bjørn, thanks for showing it. And... Yes.. I think that's exactly how future gas stations should look like. 👍👍
Wow I wish she’ll would commit to doing charging / filling stations like this one in the uk.
They will if they want to make money. 😁 This is not built by the kindness of the heart of the owner. This is a cafe at a place where tired people have to take a 15-30 minute break on a roadtrip. All about the sandwiches. All about the money. Given the choice, of course you would charge here and not behind a warehouse by some containers or other ridiculous places people have put chargers because it was the cheapest place to put the damn chargers.
Thanks for checking out the disabled bays too Bjørn. Its all too easy for installers to paint a wheelchair on the road and call it good but they have to be properly accessible. So a chair needs to get right up to the post and use the screen and manoeuvre the cable. Thank you for thinking of that. 👍
Australia needs to learn from this
Yeah...naaaaah: We just whack some permanently broken Tritium 50kW chargers (one per site, that'll do) in the middle of nowhere and be done with.
America could learn a thing or seven from this video
Especially on travel routes such places are fantastic. for a little break.
Maybe I'm getting old, but I like it when the holiday doesn't just start at the destination, but already on the way there
This is my local energy station. I attended the opening ceremony a little while ago...while charging😊
Love this project. Thank you for showing this motivational video, Bjørn.
In Finland, outside the capital Helsinki, the "gas station" chain ABC has built a new station 1-2 years ago. The difference to previous stations is that they don't sell any gas or diesel!
This chain is more of a restaurant chain and tiny grocery store than fast food chain. In fact you can also sit in "a corner" and work without being that much disturbed, and have meetings with your business friends.
And the chain is quite big on beer supply...
The Nordic countries showed at the end of the 1980ies that you will need a hand held mobile phone! The rest is history.
Now they give a glimpse of how to organise the infrastructure around using electric vehicles.
As always, you need an enough number of BEVs to build an suitable infrastructure.
At the start of this comment I didn't realise that the owner of the Norwegian Shell gas network is the Finnish St1, which also is the owner of the Swedish Shell network.
Then you understand why they also use Finnish Kempower charging stations!
As Kempower also has started manufacturing in USA, you, Americans, can be sure to see this kind of stations to pop up in the country, too. Of course, this kind of infrastructure need quite a lot of free ground close to quite big crossroads.
Now president Joe Biden visits Finland within a week, maybe he can get some hot tips... 😂
YES. This is exactly what fueling stations should be. Same as gas pumps, except EV chargers, can pay with card without signing up for an app, amenities inside and out.... So good! The perfect spot!
..or plug and charge / autocharge so just use an app once and thats it dont even need a card after that.
@@Joe-lb8qn No thanks. That works if you're staying on one network, but there's a reason we don't have apps for every separate gas station system. That's limiting and a pain.
@@DblOSmith Not really an issue if the car manufacturer is the one that handles the car charging ID and just uses API's to talk to the chargers, then you can registrer you card and car in one single app and charge all over without needing any app or rfid or card on you
Wow! Hope this come to Sweden!👍 Tack Björn🌹
I like the concept of the new station! But some more plants and trees are missing! ;-)
I Work here! Glad you like the place😊
Thanks for the sneak peak, Bjorn! I'm really hoping our fueling sites start looking like that over here in the United States soon. I worry that 2.4 MW might still be a little low for a motorway charging site, though. I like the idea of maybe 4 MW worth of throughput at a motorway charging site.
it's more than enough, 150 kW per stall more than V3 SC while also fully sharing power
@@asaha7547 It's still on the small side, in my opinion. While 150 kW of shared power per stall might be okay, I would still want to see more stalls then. Ten to twelve 350-400 kW split-power chargers seems the most appropriate here. We're starting to see more EVs that will be pulling 150-200+ kW the entire time they are hooked up and charging.
This is more than enough in 2023. On a full site, only 70-100 kW is needed on average. Believe it or not. This is actual numbers from reliable sources.
@@bjornnyland Yes, I've seen providers post similar numbers. Maybe I just have a California perspective, where even Tesla's 40 to 50 stall Superchargers have queues on holidays and travel weekends. Having enough power to cycle through 15 to 20 EVs every 10 to 15 minutes might be necessary. If we're planning these sites for more than 5 years out, I'd want to see slightly higher total site power output.
@@newscoulomb3705ccording to an interview on the opening day, they have plans for a truck charging on the truck stop/døgnhvileplass. So there is room for expansion there.
But I disagree with you that you need more than 150kW per stall. You do not build out for the yearly peak traffic. That there will be some days in the year that a lot of cars will have their speed limited is not a problem.
And there are also 16 150kW stalls on the next gas station about 10km west..
i like this shit. Both EV's and their infrastructure are equally relevant - nice work!
we can only dream of charging stations like this in Ireland we are usually pushed to a far corner or totally ignored...
I think I need to visit Norway soon, there is no way I would be able to see it any time earlier than next decade in my own country...
IKEA Åsane have also reopened with about 25 Kempower stalls. 4 of them with CHAdeMO and CCS.
Yes, Should be the blueprint for future fuel stations.
my Cousin was building some of the bridges of this route a few years ago. He worked some years as an construction engineer in Norway.
I wish Shell Canada 🇨🇦 would build some of these stations.
Fastned in NL have incredible charging stations too. With solar and roof :) Happy to see that EV's get a roof as well, I only have handshake problems in bad weather (of course).
Agree. Fastned in NL is a favorite. Even for a Norwegian!
Maybe some... but my experience with most fastned's in Germany were very minimal, just 4 chargers in the middle of nowhere, no shop, no toilet... just a bench outside. (Hilden is an exception)
@@openevents same for most of them in NL. Almost all of them are just 4 150kw chargers, about 200 meters from actual gas station amenities. Granted, most of times with a solar roof, but that's about it.
@@openevents That's due to legislation, in NL at least. They weren't allowed to provide ammenities due to how the locations were tendered. This actually led to a dispute with Shell when they started offering their own chargers since it was unfair competition. They ultimately lost the lawsuit under the condition that Shell "will only provide charging as an additional ammenity for their gas stations". I think Fastned has now opened their first charging station with ammenities in Belgium, so hopefully more to follow :)
At last, amenities !😮
Awesome video, as a Brit i am amazed how EU has embraced EV charging more then UK , in UK there is only a few EV only stations
Norway isn’t in the EU
@@OldManTony oops, i mean EEA
Kempower is getting it done. Nice.
Wish this would come to New Zealand, we need it.
and pull through charging. That's been my biggest complaint so far. I sometimes tow a caravan. Also fast charging along highways makes much more sense than middle of cities.
This is how a motorway energy station should be. A full service station needs more food options and capacity than that. 16 HPC-charging stalls is a little thin on high demand days.
👍 That's the way of modern Gas Stations. I like it.
I drove along here last month on the way to Stavanger from Oslo, not sure if this was open then, probably not, lots of roadworks along that stretch and some congestion at points due to the construction. Kempowers are nice they are the units that share power I think?
Would be great if Shell would do this in the UK. They rolled out one 'flagship' new EV hub several years ago and thats it AFAIK generally they are retsricted to one or two units often lower power.
Parts of it might have been open when you visited. They are finally doing the needed infrastructure upgrades between the biggest cities in Norway on the western coast. Should have been started 20 years ago, but at least we are on the right track (although its moving at snail speed lol).
Looks great! I wonder when it will be called "energy station"? Dinosaur juice is also just energy. As well as the food :D
Perfekt station! Thanks!
LoL. Aral fuel stations in germany since 2020: hold my beer. Way more than 200 locations. Card payment and also more and more chargers under the roof.
people complaining about not having options to charge... it gets better by the second... electric platform is so flexible its soooo much easier to setup stalls than setup gas pumps... an important point that made me go electric... going forward there will be sooo many options... high powered chargers and wall boxes and who knows what ever else... you wont even think about it... and i expect the car servicing to get much more flexible as well... as more servicemen develop the skills as well... youll be able to mix and match all sorts of goodies on your car even on the traction side
Love that the dinosaur juice dispensers are in a minority
This will be a nice charging stop to use. If only they would do the same in my country.
They will when most new cars sold have been BEV for a few years.
I love it. They definitely need to do that here in the US. People brag about how they can fill up in 5 minutes but I can tell you that owning an EV I actually "plan NOT to be in a rush", so when I stop after having driven for an hour or two I'm ready for a bathroom break and to stretch my legs.
They don't really fill up in five minutes. About 1 to 2 minutes is them trying to figure out how to pay, longer if they go inside to pre-pay. Then after they're done they're either moving the car around to go inside, or are hogging (ICEing) a pump. It's a mess. Go to a Buckees or another really great service center, you plug in, go inside, by the time you leave, it's time to go. It's productive time regained. I argue it was quicker. I don't need to park twice.
@@jeffweingrad4658 In Europe you usually just put the nozzle in and the pumps starts. You go inside and pay later. Trust based system that seems to work.
@travelguy78 you have to wander around and wait in line and then wander back to your car? Are you iceing the pump too or do you have to drive and park again to do this? Wow, tesla is #1.
@jeffweingrad4658 you start filling and can sort out payment while you are filling. What does icing have to do with payment for energy transfer?
@@travelguy78 why would I do any of that? Waste of time. Europe sounds too nice to spend my day that way.
I'm faking love it! I wish to have more places like here in USA.
Looks great! But I miss some trees around the playground for hot days.
We Like this Sheeeeeettttt Shell really. embracing the transition
That IS the future. Perfect equipped, like the SORTIMO Charging Park in Zusmarshausen near by Munich which is bigger and also well equipped
I was on a road trip just a few weeks ago there. Didn't need to charge but saw the weird looking large building from the roundabout and went to see what was going on. Might have stopped there if the Tesla SCs were open to my non-Tesla but they weren't so skipped it as too expensive also. Still very impressive.
Well, although I don't like Shell (or basically any of the "Big Oil" Companies), I just got to admit: that's some solid quality and offer they brought up there. You pointed the important things out, I don't have to add anything - nor would I know what more to ask for, except maybe even more PV 😁
"Shell" in Norway is in reality a Finnish company called St1. They had an agreement to use the Shell brand name for a few years (2015-2023), but now they're re-branding to reflect the actual ownership.
the solar panels abowe the charging stations are great, your car wont turn into a oven during summer, but i wonder how expensive it is to build a beefy roof like this
@@grandtourerptthe next charging station west of this station has a battery storage, and they sell balancing services to the grid.
If the grid goes down, the solar panels will charge the battery and the charging station (also Kempower) will run off the battery.
Why is Shell able to do this in Norway but not in their (former) home country of The Netherlands? Are they not getting enough competition from Fastned yet? No decline in fuel sales yet? Not enough EVs on the roads? Honestly want to understand their business reasoning on this.
Netherlands has a lot of legacy political problems that plague it. As usual, the places that crow the most about how things should be are the ones that actively get in the way of any solutions that would make those things come true. It's the quiet places that can really get things done.
Easy, Shell sold their stations in Norway back in 2015. It's a Finnish company called St1.
Playground for kids should have shade cover
now we talking, great
I would have loved bifacial solar panels on the whole parking lot even more 😂 (except the kids area etc) ... Bifacials let some sunlight through so it doesn't get that dark under them ... more power is never wrong right😂
Maybe for rest stops, but no way that work for most gas station footprints. Also very premium and most independent gas stations won't be sinking that kind of capital into a gas station.
This is incredible!
It sure is the way to go and the few gas pumps can easily be replaced by more chargers in the future.
How dismal, smelly and boring were gas stations in the past? That's a very different experince.
That looks great! I wonder how it will look when Tesla does something like that, I've heard they are about to built for their own charging station centers.
I am thinking more automatic on the average Supercharger. They are all about the robots. The one at the Tesla factory near Berlin just has some vending machines and toilets. On the other hand, I just drove around Europe on mostly Superchargers and often found a Burger King right next to the chargers. Conspiracy? I may have gained a kg just from this fact...
This is how a Charging station has to be!!
Very nice. Too bad the US will never build a nice new ev/ gas station in California.
Norway for the win
Welcome to my neighborhood!
What I'm missing there is energy storage! Maybe lithium or VRFB or a hybrid LIVA battery.
Looks good. Really should have playground fenced off to stop any kids running onto the roads..
It's nice to see Shell spend some of their billions of profits on something other than their yachts and mansions.
It is probably the bank of the franchise holder that coughs up most of the money, but still good. And they plan to make it back in sandwiches and coffee, so they're good.
It's easy to see how much it costs to refuel dinosaurjuice. I just don't get why they won't show the chargingprices. We need more transparency in the chargingprices.
It must be a government regulation to display fuel prices. That needs to be enforced for EV charging stations as well.
this is a sci-fi clip for the rest of the world... 👏💪
Nice. Must have been expensive, thought (taking a lot of space, all that). I the future, I also expect some truck charging spots (if I'm not mistaken, they are not here yet).
I've noticed a real father speaking :-). The speculation if a kid might prefer the dedicated playground or a dog cage :-)).
Maybe I should go over there and have a look :-) just half an hour drive from home :-)
Seems like they don't have K-Freeze there,😪
I hope all petrols will be like that
future looks good
No review of the food options? New shell stations seem less interesting than new circle K in that way. Shell's focus seems to be "hot dogs, burger and buns"...
Nice, but rest area without shade without trees.
Difference between a European EV UA-camr and an American EV UA-camr: The European EV UA-camr picks up the CCS connector and plugs it into their car. The American EV UA-camr complains that they can't possibly connect the CCS to their car while holding their cellphone and starbucks drink and handle the cable, oh no, so hard.
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Love shell for their investment into electric chargers. Only petrol comoany that does it
Urinals need dividers. #fail! But, I'm confused by the large lot across the street, is that for the six or so tables inside? Do all of the chargers need a roof, or just the one section? Maybe it's driven by the type of climate it is located.
Seems to be a missed opportunity for these EV focused recharging stations to not have a few arcade machines in some corner... I mean, most arcade video games lasted anywhere from 20-60 minutes to complete, so that could help spend the recharging time while having something to play with...
Oh snap. Free air
Just reserve space for 10x more chargers for future need and that's it.
Hopefully they concrete under those chargers so wheelchairs can get right next to the plug.
‘Accessible spaces’ is a much better way of describing the AC charging bays for those patrons with disabilities. 👍. They seems to have thought of everything. Pretty quite though. 😊
WOW! Amazing!😍
For payment I would recommend UPI. As in India it is the primary payment method for several things. And there is no fees to use it. I think government of Norway 🇳🇴 should use UPI payment systems
The Norwegian banks already have their own instant transfer system with very low fees, also the government is usually minimally involved in that kind of stuff
No, we have our own UPI in Norway, and we've had it for a long time. India is a developing country, you guys are just catching up. Most shops in Norway have been using our national payments network since the 1980s. Everyone got a direct debit payment card back then. All shops accepted card payments since. Cash "died" in the 1990s. Today, it's all digital wallets on iPhone/Androids, or mobile payments (on our national network). Invoices are digital and paid in your online bank app.
Bjorn, what video camera are you using for this video? You should put a link to it in the description so you can make referral money!
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Maybe I missed it, or perhaps you didn't show them, but were there any disabled accessible fast chargers, I only remember seeing the slower 22Kw chargers at an accessible height and with space to manouver a wheelchair around the vehicle?
Similarly the interior seating wasn't ideal for disabled & the sockets at the table may be too low.
Very nice place :-)
Would prefer if there would be stalls for cars with a caravan or trailer. Now you will be blocking another stall I assume.
Kult, håper du skal til Mandalskrysset også :)
Could you ask Kempower how long they are waiting for a substation and transformer grid stuff to be installed by the grid management?
In Germany there are so ridiculous long wait times. Would be curious how it is in Norway 🇳🇴
Man, it is a beautiful country, but it looks like every bit of construction either goes on top of the landscape or you can just skip the digger and break out the dynamite right away. It really is granite sprinkled with a layer of ground for the spruces to cling to, eh.
Norrona swapping station? I mean Shell and Nio made contracts. On the other hand it makes no sense if you want to run a cafe and a shop too. No need to leave the car for charging
Envious. Crossing fingers it comes to NA in next 10 years, heck I'll take 50 years as a win.
OMG Awesome !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!🔌
I wonder what the cost difference is for this VS petrol. I thought those petrol pumps were just longer spots for towing vehicles.
how about remote start and PnC Iso15118?
Where is the shade over the outdoor seating etc?
There's no need for that in Norway when the Sun is out 45 minutes / year.
България for the win😃