Hell, even Vogel would've been ashamed of this. I kept hoping Gat would bust through the walls of the intro scene like "alright assholes, let's actually start this story" and everything from the trailer would be a retcon just to throw the finger at reviewers But no. No they put a bullet between the series' skull and called it good
The absolute worst thing to have happened to video games was for them to become mainstream in the early 2000s and the same morons that were in the process of turning Hollywood into the creatively-bankrupted hellscape we see before us today starting taking over game companies.
@@marsmugio i am a fan of the second game, i adore it. The dlc has lost it's touch with good humour, but it is decent. The fourth game? Bugs and gameplay aside, the humour sucks. It sucks so bad that it just sucks the life out of you.
Honestly it's just game development. I've been duped by Fallout, C&C, Saints Row, Nathan Drake, Infamous, BioShock, Mafia, Red Faction, Grand Turismo, Metal Gear, Assassin's Creed, Killzone, Halo, and the list goes on. Saints Row is just another to live long enough to crash and burn. Why, who, what, and when? I'm sure there are answers but it has happened so often I just can't care any more. I'll cherish the good that has come out of those franchises even if quite a few of them have already faded into obscurity. It's just the way things are...the way they have been for a very long time.
@@brandonparnell6160 yeah, I only started coming to this realization about last year, just makes me sad lol feel beat down and defeated by the industry....
Props to flippy for not caring about his relationship with volition when making this video. Volition deserves to know they can't get away with what they've done to their own fans who MADE them back in '06
23:14 The UA-camr Dartigan said it best. "It amazes me that Volition was self-aware enough to write Nahualli confused by how dumb these characters are, yet somehow not self-aware enough to realize how dumb these characters are and make changes."
The majority of these devs ARE the twitter users themselves, and they have no contact with reality. We can't expect them to create anything outside of that frame.
We all did, the guy tries too hard to sound funny but in a dumb childish way and his character is motivated by just wanting a new waffle maker, and thats it. So much worse, their awful community manager likes him. A lot. That trash. They lied about this game being about gangsters. The guy acts like he never left his lockerroom. Always flexing and being cringy, as his whole personality, but, he's shirtless.
@@GeteMachine I bet that's why they got Greg Chun to play as him. I kind of feel sorry for him, but he also said some cringe stuff in his previous interviews, like boasting about how his voice "Tends to go into a romantic area"... Okay bro. Your voice is deep, we get it, but you're nothing special. Dial the ego back a little.
@@NintendanGX I dont mind if actors have an ego. If they're talented and can do a good job then they can have all the ego they want. But this reboot was just awful and the characters are a cringefest so it would make no sense to have an ego from having worked on this game, if that makes sense.
You were 100% on the hummingbird codex . I had no idea what the hell it was too lol. Imagine a Samedi, Ronin and brotherhood member renting an apartment together . They would murder each other yet in Saints Row everyone is from a rival gang and they are best friends.
@@hydys That is the worst part. Why the hell would gangs be fighting over museum artifacts and an artbook? The "codex" like that sounds like something from Halo or AOM. I seriously want to know who was in this writer room and what inspired them to come up with this? And that dev who just decided to put his own pet cat in the game as a character. Like seriously. wtf even is this plot.
I agree. Nothing about the saints row reboot makes godamn sense. Btw , when will we get to see your amazing review of the reboot? I have more excitement looking forward to your reboot than the entirety of the godamn game.
This isn't the over-the-top justified anger Flippy you saw in Pro Hater 5 This is a broken Flippy, and as much as it satisfied me to hear more hate on this game, Flippy legitimately sounds destroyed
Anyone remember Flippy's original non-scripted Pro Hater video that he posted before THPS5 came out and is currently deleted? Flippy was FURIOUS in that video! I've tried my best to find an archive of it, but sadly... It's basically lost media at this point.
@@fredster594 I vaguely remember that. Would be nice to find it again, not even for the sake of “lol mad Flippy” as much as just plain preservation and demonstration of growth.
@@fredster594 damn I don’t know if I’ve seen it, I’ve rewatched the pro hater 5 video tons of times and that sounds like a vid I felt like i saw, sucks it can’t be found
I left Volition back in 2016 and still have nightmares about working there. I can't imagine how toxic that environment must be currently. It was once a great studio and I hope they can get back to that status one day.
volition has been immature since sr4 agents of mayhem feels like an 80s cartoon turned into a videogame now this...should have called this Friends Row or something
Saints Row 3 was the end of an era. Saints Row 3, Saints Row 4, Agents of Mayhem, and now this reboot are all just beating the corpse of Saints Row 1 and 2. This franchise ended 14 years ago and we're the morons who keep thinking MAYBE THIS TIME IT WILL BE GOOD.
I was just recovered from being hit by one of the most powerful hurricanes to ever make landfall in the history of America, and this video game is still the most depressing thing I've seen in 20 years.
The whole clip of the Boss saying shit balls and what not after they got fired explains a lot why Volition got absorbed by Gearbox. That is the exact juvenile humor Gearbox loves
When all you have is passion for juvenile humor, everything looks like Borderlands Gearbox should take a cold shower and deeply reflect on their choices
@@brazilian_oak They don't have to, because they made billions of dollars merging with Embracer/Plaion/Koch/Whatever Media. I don't blindly follow the bullshit Total Biscuit narrative of "Slag Borderlands/CoD/Popular game that has a solid formula in a manner that makes the hardiest and most stubborn A-Logs blush because I personally don't like it and subsequently use my personal foreign legion of retards who make the average game developer look like John Carmack by comparison of intellect to defend my stupidity and lack of self-awareness". Games can be good on their own regardless of time and retroactive narrative Autism (Something that retards like TB and TAM fail to understand, PS chumps, it's not "Modern Gaming" it's just bad design and bad design is TIMELESS and non-discriminatory, stop peddling narratives and look for the cloud behind and above that cloud). Volition lied to Deep Silver/Embracer/THQNordic too many times and began their imbecilic practice of poor developer practices during Summoner 2, the only difference between the Volition of 2002 and the Volition of 2023 was that 2002 Volition was able to paper up the cracks with competent former Flight-sim developers from the Descent/Parallax Software days and current Volition are filled with too many inexperienced, young and arrogant brainlets in the chain of command. And this is what they deserve. At least Gearbox knows how to make games that are practically designed and polished (Aliens: Colonial Marines was an already doomed game from the start thanks to 10 years of Dev Hell between multiple companies and publishers BEFORE Gearbox came around and it is delusional to assume that Obsidian would have made the game good, at all, the same applies to DNF, which was also in Dev Hell back when Randy and some of his GBX co-founders were still employees of 3D Realms) and they don't spam creative with too many clowns, they already have enough clowns as is.
@@DR3ADER1 Im talking more in the writing department, the games are mechanically sound ( 3 is exceptional in that regard) bu tthe story beats and writing legit ruin the whole experienfe tenfold
"I'll make it up to you players, I'll patch SR2, I'll release DLC and fix the bugs in the reboot, I'll-" "No you won't, Volition. You'll continue to disappoint me."
"When I escape (acute liquidity shortfall), the world (community) won't be big enough for you to hide in" "Luckily for me you'll burn to death (c11 bankruptcy) in a few minutes (years but eh)"
Giving a character that betrays the main character a knife literally called a "Judas" knife has got to be the worst and unfortunately the best joke in this game... (I actually don't know if it was a joke or they thought that it was big brain foreshadowing.)
While the Playa and Maero had actual tension, a rivalry, this Boss just wanted the main villain to be his friend and he, very predictably stabs the Boss to kidnap his gang so... they can be his friends...? I guess.
Killbane : The saints legacy ends here not with a bang but with a whimper, when my hands choke the living hell out of you, they wont be booing me, they will be saying thank you killbane.
Lowkey, Killbane was a great antagonist (no Maero or Mr Akuji, but still good), he had a self-awareness of how the Saints essentially became Vice Kings in Purple and lost their way
Fun fact, I went to SacAnime this year, they had JB Blanc, voice of Zinyak and unprompted when I met him and got SR4 signed after a short chat, he said something to "I've seen the new game and it doesn't look very good...". Now VAs obviously are not obligated to comment positively necessarily unless they work on the game but think about that for a second, again it's unprompted but he openly said that the game was kind of crap to me and... yeah. Yeah it is.
Volition literally took that line from SR3 where the Philippe Loren told Johnny Gat he was Belgium, and Gat told him to "make a fuckin waffle" To heart 🤦♂️
I've never seen a company blatantly give the finger to its fans at every chance they get like Volition. Saints Row 1 & 2 were me and my brothers favorite game growing up. Every time I completed the last mission of 2, I'd start another playthrough and had endless amounts of fun, and was so excited when saints Row 3 was announced, and played the hell out of it but was disappointed with a lot of things revolving around the tone, and certain gameplay changes, but mostly still enjoyed it. Just nowhere as close as I did one and two. My brother only did one playthrough of it and was done. I even play four but was so polarized by that game and felt like Volition had lost its own way, or maybe they they just showed their true colors. Rest easy old Saints Row.
@@Mr.PR2000 Makes me wonder if Flippy's passing comment on how there might have been saboteurs in Volition's midst would ring true for most studios; regardless of what medium they are part of.
The worst part is that Volition was one of the best devs when it came to communicating with and reaching out to the community. It's like all of a sudden they did a 180 and developed a deep, burning hatred for the fans out of nowhere.
now that you mention it the cat saved your ass more than your "friends" did. they pushed the you must be friends with these people but neglected the real homie who was supporting you . good ol mister whiskers
Having watched several reviews now. The one thing I still don’t understand about the story is, if they wanted to make your character initially a wage slave that can barely make rent on time, why on earth did they choose to make him part of a Blackwater-esque, private military contractor? They don’t typically make chump change if I’m correct, because they do dangerous things, because they’re mercenaries essentially. Also why are you struggling to pay rent when you have 4 people living in one place? Especially when 2 are gang members who should be used to getting cash thru crime, and the other is a tech nerd?
I know right? As someone around the age of the protagonists (if you can honestly even call them that) I can't think of a better situation to be in, financial wise, than having 3 friends under the same roof, with all 4 of us having quite decent income. They shouldn't be that broke at all.. I live alone in a very expensive city, working at a damn hotel, and seem to be doing better than these 4 idiots were. Granted. That explains it right there. They are idiots. That's the only thing I can tell myself to not rip apart the idea of one of the few things in this game that could've actually made an iota of sense
Yes the pay can be quite good especially if you are affiliated with a highly regarded company like that, Freelance work getting sent with a group of guys you hardly know until your Contract is up still pays a damn good amount to where you shouldn't be struggling like that. However he's Company Affiliated Contractor so he would be even better off. High Risk High Reward, It's an addicting line of work.
I know it's supposed to be satirizing the economic climate of nowadays, but come on. It's not even subtle or making clever jokes about that subject. If anything, it just gets *really fucking annoying* on how much they shove it into your face.
they also live in a fictionalized state of nevada, shit there kinda cheap. which made this more confusing to me. they all should be in at least mcmansions by now
@@Psyrens guess what, it's because all the "woke" millennial writers behind these shitshows are ny mildly rich college students that never earned anything on their lives
SR3, despite being too wacky with its story and changing up the characters too much (barring Pierce, I think he's the only character to be the exact same from SR2), the core gameplay is still Saints Row. The activities are still Saints Row. And this is definitely me, but I've always enjoyed Steelport as a map. I think I prefer SR3 to SR1 (1 just has too much of a difficulty spike, and the activities don't feel well utilised compared to 2 and 3), even if the latter is objectively better, especially in the story department. It's just in SR4, where the overall core identity, even in gameplay, is completely gone.
SR2 will always be my favorite but honestly after seeing enough footage of the reboot, it definitely increases my appreciation for SR3 and makes me want to play it again 😂. Every time I see the overly long finisher moves in the reboot, it makes SR3's finishers look much more fun
I tried beating this game 100% because I did all the other Saints Row titles, but because of how fucking broken it was with trophies not unlocking, the million dollar store never appearing, collectables never popping up, certain crib customization items never unlocking, I could only get 98%. Even the game itself doesn't want me to play it. I already lost all hope in Volition as an entity when they went around insulting both old AND new fans saying "haturz gonna hate lol" or "hav u played teh gaem yet??", but now they show that if you removed all connection and background to the series and the company, they can't even make good games to any degree. It's sad, but Saints Row 1 and 2 really was just lightning in a bottle and the company will never reach that point again in both actual game quality and their connection to the fans (many of which both big and small still try to cope by saying the game isn't "that bad").
Bro respect to you for even being able to 98 this bullshit. I couldn’t even finish the main story, I ended up skipping a lot of cutscenes the dialogue in game and cutscene wise was so unbearable.
@@archivefolds good for you for not finishing the story. You skipped out on arguably one of the worst twists in video games. I was so pissed at it, if it were not for the fact it was the very end of the game, I probably would've postponed trying to complete it or outright dropped the game altogether.
Mine is not even buggy ( save for a few, nothing game or immersion breaking) and I still have no desire to 100% this game. It's just really boring imo.
Why would you subject yourself, to the horror of completing this pile of trash? I don't think this game is worth 5min of my time just looking at it, let alone worth completing.
Even GTA 4/ Tropa de Elite for the Playstation 2 sold in the back-alleys was more interesting than this. Even if it crashed once a hour, it was ridiculous amount of fun for a GTA SA modpack with a modmenu.
If there is one thing this game did right, it's making me actually appreciate Sr3 and Sr4. Perhaps I treated those too harshly. Might go back and play them again.
SR4 deserved that harsh treatment, the game was fucking awful. It pretty much ruined the franchise and caused the new game to try and replicate what they did with SR2
Still convinved some higher up gave Volition a copy of Watch_Dogs 2 and told them to make the next Saints Row "like that". As the two are beat-for-beat the same characters.
Thanks for that, it was easily the most maddening thing. I barely play new games now because of how much of a mess they are and hearing how THIS was able to outsell saints row 2 was extremely depressing. People will buy anything and they have no idea that if they just held off for a little bit games would get good again and developers would have to try harder, but that will never happen again. All you can do is support the small companies that really try and put effort into it. AAA studios are a lost cause.
@@BayouReaperz saints row 2 sold 3.5 M copies, they haven't made the sales numbers for reboot public yet but we do know it sold more than agents of mayhem
@@nikolasferreira3247 it sold more than Agents of Mayhem in the UK. According to VGChartz Agents of Mayhem sold 5,000 copies in the UK so the reboot according to reports sold 5 times more so 5 X 5000= 25000 then sales dropped off by 80% they haven’t revealed the real numbers so it’s probably low
I recently played through Yakuza 0 after a friend recommended it to me and I have to say, I feel like the tone for the game is what this Saints Row should have been; a serious story with some goofy side stuff. You can have a dramatic scene involving someone being forced to kill an innocent person by the Yakuza, and then a side mission where you teach a dominatrix how to humiliate someone.
Yakuza and Saints Row 2 actually have a lot of similarities like that. The silly/serious split, the varied sub activities, the surprisingly deep look at the subcultures being represented, the space-compressed Greatest Hits cities they take place in... I got flashbacks to slot racing as I was doing the LARP sidequests in SR2022, and I didn't hate them because of it.
I would forgive Volition for every wrong decision they made with this game if it ended with Johnny Gat, Shaundi and Pierce showing up to that church with the Third Street Saints, explaining that their boss sent them cos these guys are copying their Saints Gang and gunning these posers down.
I remember seeing a comment on a video saying, "The whole story I was waiting for the actual main characters to come in and shoot all of the current "main characters" calling them a bunch of fakes" And looking at a few of the cutscenes, there was perfect moments for this to exactly happen... though even if they did this, it'll still be the same. The gameplay reminds me of Crackdown 3 where theres very little actual gameplay and just a bunch of long drawn out quests that involve driving, shooting, talking, shooting again, and driving again.
That last bit is a lot like what I felt with Mafia III. Sure, I liked the story, at least on Donovan, but the gameplay essentially boiled down to exactly that, even the world itself feels plastic with less interaction than Mafia II.
Chasing after a younger audience each sequel, trying to appease game journalists, and make a niche audience they wanted instead of winning back the disgruntled fanbase they already had.
When I heard Volition shut down, I didn't feel bad because they were acting all smug, dissing OG saints row fans, made cringe memes, made a post about "haters gonna hate" and just ignore people's warning about releasing the game, it was one of those downfalls you just can't help but laugh at.
Fr this is such an interesting case study on how not to treat your fans or make a game. I’m not sure what they were expecting but at least they got humbled in the end 😂
Do a comparison with the cringy writing in AOM and you'll see where this came from. New Volition right now are just leftovers from that flop. People who try to hard to appeal to kids with m-rated games, and people who just cant write. Let alone the ego of their creative director, and none of these guys having any experience or interest writing an actual crime drama. They could have gotten someone that wrote for a movie or TV show or something like how Elden Ring outsourced a novelist, but noooo. The kids they had in mind for this game were who they aimed for.
Looking back at SR3 and even to an extent SR4 after this is like looking back to the Star Wars prequels after the sequels came out. Just the words "Perhaps I treated you too harshly"
@@Gameprojordan in comparison to the first 2 they were mediocre, or atleast 3 was. 4 was more of an SR-themed Infamous clone that would have been fine as a self-aware swan song for the series. It's just modern AAA games are usually so awful it makes even the most lukewarm title from a decade ago look downright stellar.
It sold well because people were duped and bought into the Hype. Just because a sells well doesn't mean it's a good game. The Last Of Us 2 sold well too but it was SJW garbage.
@@emperorpalpatine1228 Yeah that's because everyone went with the hate wagon instead of a giving a good reason to hate it. Some did gave a good opinion why they didn't like it but sadly majority gave lousy reasons to hate it.
@@mrcocoloco7200 Shitty writing is a good reason to hate it. Another reason is that they made every character in the game totally unlikeable. I couldn't even give a shit about Ellie in the game.
You know a game gonna be dookie when they thought Rim Jobs was too offensive, and got rid of Freckle Bitches (now it’s just FB) 🤡🤦♂️ Developers are a bunch of snowflakes
I don't care about the comedy personally, because story and world building is what sets up the lore and SR1 did that very well. This game tries to make the plot comedic only for it to feel just shallow, let alone the plot and villain motivation itself is just awful. People thinking that Saints Row is just comedy and customization is what lead to the series not taking itself seriously enough to actually have a good plot but, the fact Volition actually thinks this shit, is good right now makes it even sadder. This shit.
I think what makes me most sad is that no matter how much criticism we give of the game it’s all going to go unheard. No matter if it’s presented in the kindest way possible or aggressively it’s all just being ignored by Voilition. Voilition have turned into some weird cult that just disregards the reality that what they made is terrible and that they’re just peddling a sub par game at best.
They also know that a lot of people gave them criticism that was objective and not aggressive but they still rejected it. There is just way too much ego put into this game, and it just sounds like Volition is just in an echo chamber right now. No different from how they picked and chooe who they wanted to give review codes to basd on who they thought would be casual and give them just normie praise. They ignored longtime content creators they didnt want to be critical of them, thanked reddit mods who were banning people and deleting negative threads, and only wanted certain people to give opinions they promoted on the game.
That's cuz most of the initial criticism came from The Quartering or Critical Drinker type people who keep whining about everything being woke and those people aren't taken seriously.
@@TheIrland09 sure but this is not thinking critically and just automatically hating an opinion because you don’t like the person is just emotional stubbornness
The silver lining is that they don't have sportsball money like EA so inevitably they'll end up going bankrupt. Maybe whoever buys the IP will actually understand the bloody appeal behind SR.
On Reddit there was a post I made where I said that the only way they could EVER recover from this game is if they made it so the ACTUAL boss from Saints Row 1,2,3,4, etc. Comes back after hearing that they stole their name and put a bullet in all of them
I feel bad for everyone that beat the game, ESPECIALLY the 100% ending, I cringed so bad that I left the room and drank until I passed out and got a hangover in the morning
I commented on another video reviewing this game saying, "I genuinely feel like Volition took personal offense to the responses over AoM, so much so that they set out to make the worst possible Saints Row game ever so that people would stop asking them to return to the series." They quite simply have no desire to continue making Saints Row and would rather ruin its reputation than deal with any more public outcry.
@cancerbucket2245 and yet it's tragically untrue. Volition wanted to make a proper Saints Row 5 but Deepsilver couldn't keep they're hands off the damn thing
I think the developers likely had a number of bad days while working on this game. They were also very defensive of the game towards their fans on Twitter. Additionally, I can't believe it costed 100 million dollars to make a really buggy and bland-looking game. The graphics look terrible as well. It is outrageous. Plain and simple.
Wow wtf 100 million? Talk about money laundering i bet if you looked at the higher ups paychecks during the time this game was being aborted they were making B A N K
Something I really didn’t understand was how contrived calling themselves the Saints was. In the past games, they were called the Saints because they lived on a block called Saints Row. In this game, they just find a purple fleur de lis in a very barren, unremarkable church and decide on the name instantly It seems so low effort and that low effort is felt all throughout the rest of the game.
Stilwater was the city, the street was called 3rd street, saints row was the district the 3rd street saints was born on 3rd street in the saints row district
@@personwitharat9039 Definition taken from Wikipedia: A carbon footprint (or greenhouse gas footprint) is a calculated value or index that makes it possible to compare the total amount of greenhouse gases that an activity, product, company or country adds to the atmosphere
@@brianloften769Saints row 4 was actually really good it just wasn’t a proper Saints row game but I mean if you compare this reboot to 4 then it’s pretty clear it’s a better Saint Row game despite it being pretty far from original Saints row
That mission where you actually have to wait in line to get the doughnuts or the mission fails would be like if the fight before Christmas mission in the Saints Row IV Christmas dlc failed you if you didn't actually lick the candy cane door open
When I was playing this game I kept yelling “YOURE A F*CKING GANG!!!” Like what does a gang care about a stupid copyright strike from Marshall?! What does a gang care about a stupid codex book?! What does a gang care about vegan baking?! These characters are literally just broke college grads not badass hardened criminal thugs like in SR2
flippy, i genuinely wish that you were on that development team. you have a great sense of what makes a game fun, you actually know what the saints row fanbase wants, and on top of that, you're witty and have a solid grasp how to make something funny. it seems saints row is irredeemable as a franchise now, but if there's any chance of another game (assuming volition doesn't go bankrupt) i think you should genuinely consider pitching something to the team and/or trying to get a spot as a consultant. the quality of your content over the years and your love for the franchise speaks for itself. out of anyone in this small community, YOU are the only one that can save what's left of this nuclear mess. however, it seems they've really screwed themselves with this one. only time will tell
Every team has an ideas man because it's easy to have a good idea. What's hard is translating that idea into reality. Most pitches don't exactly land as originally envisioned. Nothing against flip, I just need to sober people with reality.
@@keonh.2679 well in the case of saints row 2022, their ideas sucked to begin with and they translated them into reality poorly. i know it's a stretch, but at least having flippy on the team would mean they would have better ideas. he would have nothing to lose, as does the saints row franchise.
this review doesn't disappoint me, it just makes me depressed. I have hundreds of hours in the saints row games, and it's one of my favorite series. This isn't a saints row game. I have no idea what its identity even is. They retweeted someone thanking volition for the fine difficulty tweaking as an "accessibility feature." A moderator on the discord literally stated "Fuck people who like SR1 and SR2." Definitely shows where their priorities are.
I don't know but seeing all these "lol so random" food discussions and one of the members being a cat, make me wonder if the lead writer was a 40 year-old woman who spends her days on Twitter while Friends is playing on the TV in the background.
Nahuali being bald somehow makes the end game 10x more funny honestly...which isn't really that funny but its funnier than any of the jokes in this game.
I did too, and thankfully, I started turning back into a sigma, anytime my comments that sound so beta during my then playthrough I will delete I hate deleting anything old, but those comments don't represent myself as a saints row veteran since 2014 I sounded like another critic who eats woke product like the recent two TV shows
@@michaelfample It actually didn't sell more than SR2 (I'm not really sure why Fl1ppy would say that). In fact, it did so poorly that Volition is now being merged with Gearbox.
I'm fascinated by this because it seems to be a game story written by someone who has little to no idea what crime is or how criminals operate. Oh and adding an item that is quite literally a McGuffin with zero actual reason behind it is hilarious. I could sit and create a reason for it right now. Also that cat is scarry as hell.
The point of The Nahualli is that he represents the old Saint Row series, namely 1 and 2. The current Boss and his friends are the current developers and this title. The interactions between the two is basically the currents dev acknowledging the originals by introducing him as a badass........just like the original Boss. He kills Sergio because the original Boss killed the bosses in the older games. He is written to try and be friends with the current Boss and their crew because the current devs want this game to stand along side the older titles. Nahualli then tries to bury the current Boss (with the devs saying that older fans prefer Saints Row 1, 2 and maybe 3) and kidnap their friend kidnaps (this time the devs saying that those titles would surpass this one) and him getting killed at the end (the dev's ego as a whole saying that this title is the superior one in the series). And also, the speech at the church during the gang's formation in this game is Voltition (The Boss) takling directly to us, the audience (the Saints members) about how they feel about the franchise as a whole.
This makes me think about how they could have made it work. What if, after the "bonding exercises", the Nahualli realizes that the Boss's potential as a badass and as a leader is held back by how fragile his friends are. He starts trying to convince The Boss that they have greater potential than being the roommate of a bunch of losers, but they blow him off constantly. This happens to the point where the Nahualli knocks out the Boss, kidnaps his friends, and when the Boss comes to save them, he executes all three, to purposefully elicit a response. This enrages the Boss immensely, they do everything in their power to get to him, and when they do and they beat him within an inch of his life, he boasts about how they can finally grow to the potential he sees in them, and when they're at the top, they'll thank him, before the Boss kills him
In regards to the patch, apparently it was not a paid project. It was a project by two of the developers who have a huge passion for the earlier game, in their free time, after working on SR2022 for Volition. One of the two developers has passed away from Cancer, and now it is likely only one man working on the patch (unpaid, in his free time). This man is still assigned to work on the patches for SR2022, so he is very busy... Seeing as Volition takes no responsibility for this project, and will not pay any employees to work on it, it could be a LONG time before we see the SR2 patch.
@wwemusicfanC the patch isn't funded in any way by volition.. its one developer in his free time... if volition were to go under or not, it wouldn't change anything. There is no plan to pay him, or to give him company time for it. The man works long shifts at volition before working on the patch at home. Maybe volition going under would get him into a new job where he'd have more free time to work on it? Maybe it would HELP the patch? Idk, obviously... but I believe volition really isn't pushing for it anyway...
Decided to come back to this review after hearing Volition went under. The whole situation is just so goddamn sad. All fans wanted was a game just like SR2 or SR1, but they decided to jump the shark and make a completely different property. And by god did that decision end up biting them in the ass. I wonder if the studio would still be alive if things had turned out differently. If they’d actually managed to cobble together a really good Saints Row game, would that have been enough to save them? We’ll never know now, but the possibility of that being true makes their closing down way sadder.
Its hard to believe that the writing that went into this 'reboot' ended up being so bad and then the buggy mess it was to play. Yet the devs and community manager are against the older games that, at least to fans had solid writing that people enjoyed. Instead they made a reboot inspired literally by twitter. They really need to take Deep Silver off the IP. Hope some other publisher and studio gets a chance at it.
This is even sadder when you realize now is the best time to release such a game because people are getting sick of playing GTA V for the past 10 years and a game like the OG Saints Row would be prime for people to play an alternative.
Wanna know what could’ve been a great story? If they played on The Player being an undercover mercenary infiltrating the saints, remember the plot of SR2? How Ultor was using The Saints to dismantle the other gangs? Well imagine if we did that story from the perspective of an undercover Ultor operative, we see the player join the saints and with the skills and intel granted by Ultor and their training, you rise through the ranks, after the first gang gets taken down, the secret agent part is revealed to players, while the player is joining you see them say that edgy “don’t get close to anyone, you might lose them” but it’s cause deep down you’re a Judas, as the game goes on you get closer and closer and you become a triple agent when Ultor leads the attack on the saints, you infiltrate Ultor and take them down from the inside BAM, Saints win again
Truth be told? I think an origin story with Julius and Ben starting up the Saints would have been a fantastic story. To see those two in Sunnyvale Gardens starting up the Saints because of the corruption of Los Carnales would have been a great, serious topic would still allow room for the comedy, but also grounding it back to it's roots, and it would be interesting to see the Rollerz starting up as well, and seeing how the conflict was between them, really seeing how these gangs avoided going to wars with each other before the Playa came along. And to not write an entire script, the middle part should have been surrounding the eventual splitting up of Julius and Ben and maybe the whole time you were playing as Julius, so you then see the original Saints forming together, and by the ending, you reach the point of seeing Julius and Troy on the way to the Church and the beginning of Saints Row 1 with the scene closing out and the words "You okay, Playa?" And then end credits.
@@abikegavin9641 I would have wanted that and maybe more exploration of Chinatown and the street racing underground scene that Lin was from (maybe 10 years before SR1), something like Tokyo Drift, and you'd see more about who William Sharpe was investing in, and he was using the gang to compete with them. A lot of potential city exploration.
Something that wasn't mentioned was the million dollar store. You would think it would be a nice secret huge location to have after achieving one hundred percent completion in Saints Row 2022 but nope it is a small little store that is just titled the million dollar store.
"The cops are barely exist." Showing a floating head of a cop. I didn't expect he mean it literally. 😂 Btw I can't consider this a Saints Row, it just too early for April Fools for the fans like me but this time they had budget for a prank. This makes the Saints Row 4 a decent game.
"Btw I can't consider this a Saints Row" It's like when Assassins Creed stopped being about Assassins and the core gameplay completely changed. I couldn't even remotely call them AC games.
Honestly the only thing I could see winning fans over and that is feasible to come out of the studio with current management is a remaster of atleast SR2 but ideally a package remaster of 1&2 in a collection bundle. Basically just exactly like they did it with SR:TT because that was an actually good remaster.
In just 5 minutes, this is legit the only review on this game I've seen with substance. Every other review I watched undermined their point by trying to shove as many jokey jokes into the game as possible, but none of them specifically spoke to why the gameplay sucks. Like. I haven't heard anyone talk about throwables being removed as it's own entity and being shoved into a meter move which legitimately makes no sense or the complete lack of response from shooting directly at people.
I don’t think there will be a sequel thankfully. There’s a lot of hints that the game is pretty much already a failure. Embracers stock dropping heavily on release day. 80% sales drop after two weeks, and recently the embracer group CEO announced that he is disappointed by the sales and reception. The game is also already discounted on all platforms lmao. The best that can happen is that another company that actually cares ends up buying the saints row IP.
True lol i have no clue where he got his info from but despite the fact we don’t know the exact sale figures of the reboot as of now, it’s clear it is already failing which was inevitable. It’ll never outsell any of the saints row games i think.
> The best that can happen is that another company that actually cares ends up buying the saints row IP. HIGHLY doubt it. If anything, I think the lesson video game publishers will learn is "Don't even bother developing an open world sandbox unless you have a decade of development time to spare or Rockstar money to burn." Like I said in another comment now; the chasm is simply too vast to bridge now.
I'm 30 minutes in and I find it hilarious that it took a game this bad for Flippy to realize SR3 wasn't that bad. Spoiler: even people who like 3, 4 and Gat (like me) despise this reboot. I'm loving all the rage. This game deserves it. Godspeed, Flippy.
I mean 3 got me into the series but it’s nowhere near 1 and 2 after you play them all Gat was short without substance and 4 just didn’t fit in with the series at all
Same here, SR 3&4 I had a fun time with, Gat out of Hell was interesting but not for me. This I wouldn't even pirate to try it out. I have zero interest in this crap.
The problem with 3 and specially 4 is that they feel half assed. The last I played, the 4th game, was so unbelievably underwhelming towards the end, and after you're done with zinyak you get literally nothing, I was expecting to at least see the mothership painted purple
I like SR3 but it's just brainless and gets boring after a bit. SR2, even with the poorly ported vehicle controls, was fun as hell and the gun play was brainless but good. This abomination? Not even torrenting.
The writing was already on the wall when Shaundi calls her cool and chill old self "insecure" and "useless" in SR4 You can see signs of this direction in SR3 and 4 actually
Glad someone else picked up on that. The whole thing there was meta commentary on how Volition feels about the older characters for some reason despite them not actually writing anything better. What significant thing has any of the characters after SR2 actually did? What the fuck did SR3 Shaundi do in the games? She did absolutely nothing but babysit Josh Birk. Did nothing but Volition thinks SR2 Shaundi was useless? Even though she helped the Boss break into a police station and helped fight a raid at their hotel base? SR3-SR4 Shaundi didnt do jack shit in the games. She also has no problem with Kinzie who Volition pretty mch used for plot armor endlessly in SR4, making Deep Silver's Shaundi useless. Honestly, I just cant with Volition or Deep Silver. The arrogance over mediocrity. Then you call them out on it, and they jump to "guys its just a parody". A parody of what? Bad writing?
@@GeteMachine truth! SR2 shaundi was an extremely competent wise and unshakeable only to be reduced to the now overly angry and irrelevant version she is now. i mean, without Shaundi in SR2 idk how the saints would have even gotten most of what they needed to get done in the way it needed to get done. they turned her from a pillar of the saints to a forgettable secretary
@@GeteMachine Shaundi in the later games just turned into a person with less personality, less identity and just worse person. And the fact that the writers 'agree' that her younger self was somehow worse...Yeah.
As far as I know despite being a financial success, the game is considered a failure, so Volition is now part of Gearbox which might as well be a death sentence. Hello Randy!
@@SlyJordie no he has a point saints row 3 &4 are bad compared to what came before but the reboot the reboot is in its own league with reguards to how shitty it is the only good thing to come from it’s release is all saints row fans rather you like 1&2 or 3&4 can all come together to the conclusion that this reboot is dog shit
I’m so glad you mentioned driver 2 for the dive god I wish it was just a rare thing so it could be wrote off as an Easter egg cause it would have been so funny and not just disappointing
you didnt even have to make this video, the public one you have sufficed your point - but you still did. you truly are a saints row legend, another banger flipster, cya next time :D EDIT: wow.. that ending info was the most blackpilling content ever, as if i wasnt nihilistic towards the series enough already
Poor Flippy, he’s been covering Saints Row content since forever. Imagine all those years you dedicate your channel to Saints Row glitches and Easter eggs and even make wishlists for a new Saints Row game only to presented with this pile of buggy crap. I feel Flippy’s pain and anger, I really do.
I got this game for $5 on eBay, and I still felt like I wasted my money. Literally only things I genuinely enjoyed with the game were the customization of my character, and the fact it takes place in the Southwest because I grew up in the Southwest, made me feel nostalgic
It took me forever to realize that J.R. was the replacement for Rim Jobs. They didn't have the balls to put Freckle Bitch's or Rim Jobs, so it's FBs and some guy named Jim-Rob.
I had never played a Saints Row game before; I downloaded this game when it was free. I still wanted my money back. The story mode was short, but oddly mercifully short? I really despised the protagonists of this title. They pissed me off equally, but Kevin was the worst. I don't care that he likes to sleep with both sides of the aisle, or the magical weekends he spends with the pair of boyfriends, or the numerous other randos and randettes he's bedded. I don't remember anyone Kevin introduced to Boss that he didn't casually brag about sleeping with. What pissed me off the most was that he ran with the Idols, a bunch of trust fund kids. How the heck was he struggling to put up rent or pay for food?? That fridge was woefully empty. After coming off of Street Fighter 6s limited color options for World Tour clothes, I was pleased leaps and bounds by Saints' customization mode. However, I played SR 4 after SR2022 and felt disappointed in the latter. As an apple woman myself, I appreciated my boss'wiggles and jiggles and seggs appeal. In 2022 the lady strut and jiggles are gone and the nipple option doesn't save it. Whether your boss is male or female, they have the same manly strut, which I found pretty lame. Had I played 4 first, there would be no way I would have made it through more than the first hour of 2022.
this is so sad to see. getting saints row 2 for my 9th birthday and being the happiest kid in the world. turning 21 and seeing saints row come out like this is truly disheartening
When I was a kid, I told my parents that I would appreciate the stuff that comes out once I'm grown up. Kid me didn't anticipate a giant Gramskian assault on culture that would make that stuff GENUINELY SHIT. I had a massively unfair disadvantage.
This shit was fucking hilarious. Thank you Flippy for easing the pain of this slap in the face return to the series by sharing your own personal trauma
sigh....if only Saints Row 2 had a modding scene like Skyrim or GTA V. at this point I'd be over the moon if we could just get a PC port of the Original Saints Row game.
All the characters in the reboot just sound and act like Josh Birk from SR3 but even worse. It's almost like they took his wannabe saint character and just...slapped it on everything.
''The saints legacy ends here not with a bang but a wimper''
-Killbane
Damn...and that came from the game with mixed feelings...makes me wanna play sr3 again hell sr4 too
My oh my how that’s relevant to this. Saints Row 3 was a legendary game by comparison to this piece of shit.
@@jackp.richardson6415 "What happened to us? Movie deals, commercials? The saints used to mean something other than some ass-tasting energy drink."
Even Josh Birk would dawg them out.
Hell, even Vogel would've been ashamed of this. I kept hoping Gat would bust through the walls of the intro scene like "alright assholes, let's actually start this story" and everything from the trailer would be a retcon just to throw the finger at reviewers
But no. No they put a bullet between the series' skull and called it good
Apparently, according to the Saints Row community manager, we're "terrorists" for voicing valid criticism.
This was to be expected, considering the type of game they shat out
?Tf
Let me guess? Twitter?
If that makes me a terrorist, call me Osama.
The absolute worst thing to have happened to video games was for them to become mainstream in the early 2000s and the same morons that were in the process of turning Hollywood into the creatively-bankrupted hellscape we see before us today starting taking over game companies.
This game is the perfect example of how devs can go from cocaine overdose to twitter trends overdose.
At least their products were good under cocaine doses.
Reminds me a bit of postal.
@@a.k8185 don't even get me started on postal 4....
That game is the biggest disappointment in gaming for me personally
@@marsmugio i am a fan of the second game, i adore it.
The dlc has lost it's touch with good humour, but it is decent.
The fourth game?
Bugs and gameplay aside, the humour sucks.
It sucks so bad that it just sucks the life out of you.
@@a.k8185 i love this comment;
It applies to both Saints Row and Postal almost exactly word by word.
This might be one of the most heartbreaking downfall of any series I've seen.
Honestly it's just game development. I've been duped by Fallout, C&C, Saints Row, Nathan Drake, Infamous, BioShock, Mafia, Red Faction, Grand Turismo, Metal Gear, Assassin's Creed, Killzone, Halo, and the list goes on. Saints Row is just another to live long enough to crash and burn. Why, who, what, and when? I'm sure there are answers but it has happened so often I just can't care any more. I'll cherish the good that has come out of those franchises even if quite a few of them have already faded into obscurity. It's just the way things are...the way they have been for a very long time.
the only thing i can relate it to imo is SMT
This and halo yeah
@@fishpodpizza544 Funnily enough I think Halo Infinite's campiagn does a better job at being Halo than this does at being Saints Row
@@brandonparnell6160 yeah, I only started coming to this realization about last year, just makes me sad lol feel beat down and defeated by the industry....
Props to flippy for not caring about his relationship with volition when making this video. Volition deserves to know they can't get away with what they've done to their own fans who MADE them back in '06
Fuck that relationship they ripped us off and we deserve Our hard earned money back
Volition burned the bridge before this they didn't give him a review copy
He only doin it now after dey pissed him off on twitter, but what goes around comes around 360
@@AliBazz i see you comment on every single sr video
@@AliBazz what did they do on twitter?
23:14 The UA-camr Dartigan said it best. "It amazes me that Volition was self-aware enough to write Nahualli confused by how dumb these characters are, yet somehow not self-aware enough to realize how dumb these characters are and make changes."
I saw another UA-cam channel with the theory Nahualli represents the Saints Row community who are fans of the old games.
This game represents the dangers of developers thinking a majority of their audience are Twitter users.
don't forget they actually added their discord mods on the end credits :)
@@thespooner3906 the coffin has so many nails in it we can't even call it a coffin anymore
The majority of these devs ARE the twitter users themselves, and they have no contact with reality. We can't expect them to create anything outside of that frame.
@@thespooner3906 oh this game is getting way worse than i knew
@@complete-and-utter-fool yeah the turned it into an iron maiden
The fact that Flippy had to speed-up Kev's voice every time he's on screen shows how much he must hated this one-dimensional character 🤣
We all did, the guy tries too hard to sound funny but in a dumb childish way and his character is motivated by just wanting a new waffle maker, and thats it. So much worse, their awful community manager likes him. A lot. That trash. They lied about this game being about gangsters. The guy acts like he never left his lockerroom. Always flexing and being cringy, as his whole personality, but, he's shirtless.
@@GeteMachine I bet that's why they got Greg Chun to play as him. I kind of feel sorry for him, but he also said some cringe stuff in his previous interviews, like boasting about how his voice "Tends to go into a romantic area"... Okay bro. Your voice is deep, we get it, but you're nothing special. Dial the ego back a little.
@@NintendanGX I dont mind if actors have an ego. If they're talented and can do a good job then they can have all the ego they want. But this reboot was just awful and the characters are a cringefest so it would make no sense to have an ego from having worked on this game, if that makes sense.
Glad that we can agree the character they're pushing the most, is the one fans dislike the most. "He's shirtless!! aNd i dOnT kNoW wHy"
Lmafo
The main characters in this “game” would’ve been joke/parody pedestrian NPCs that you’d find in a coffee shop in SR2.
XD and then blast em
@@m0-m0597 or grenade launch them 😂😂
You were 100% on the hummingbird codex . I had no idea what the hell it was too lol. Imagine a Samedi, Ronin and brotherhood member renting an apartment together . They would murder each other yet in Saints Row everyone is from a rival gang and they are best friends.
just bewildering that instead of like... a turf war or drug/arms smuggling, the gangs are fighting for some book artifact
tell em
@@hydys That is the worst part. Why the hell would gangs be fighting over museum artifacts and an artbook? The "codex" like that sounds like something from Halo or AOM. I seriously want to know who was in this writer room and what inspired them to come up with this? And that dev who just decided to put his own pet cat in the game as a character. Like seriously. wtf even is this plot.
I agree. Nothing about the saints row reboot makes godamn sense. Btw , when will we get to see your amazing review of the reboot? I have more excitement looking forward to your reboot than the entirety of the godamn game.
Apparently they think gangs and cliques are the same thing. XD
This isn't the over-the-top justified anger Flippy you saw in Pro Hater 5
This is a broken Flippy, and as much as it satisfied me to hear more hate on this game, Flippy legitimately sounds destroyed
Anyone remember Flippy's original non-scripted Pro Hater video that he posted before THPS5 came out and is currently deleted? Flippy was FURIOUS in that video! I've tried my best to find an archive of it, but sadly... It's basically lost media at this point.
@@fredster594 awww that sucks
@@fredster594 I vaguely remember that. Would be nice to find it again, not even for the sake of “lol mad Flippy” as much as just plain preservation and demonstration of growth.
This Punished Flippy, A Man Betrayed by his Favorite Game Series
@@fredster594 damn I don’t know if I’ve seen it, I’ve rewatched the pro hater 5 video tons of times and that sounds like a vid I felt like i saw, sucks it can’t be found
I left Volition back in 2016 and still have nightmares about working there. I can't imagine how toxic that environment must be currently. It was once a great studio and I hope they can get back to that status one day.
i hope you're in a better place now
@@Flippy I am, thank you!
Where do you work now
If you plan to make videos about it im sure alot of people would love to hear the story inside volition from your perspective
@@LeSuperFishe That'd likely result in a defamation lawsuit unfortunately.
This literally feels like the most T rated game that’s actually rated M game ever
Tony Hawk Underground felt more gangsta than this
Even the older halos deserved the M rating
@@radhinkabagaskara5595 fax 🤣
@@robinbanks1291 big fax
@@coreycasciano3255
How expensive is a big fax?
Imagine making a game so bad that requiring foregrips on every weapon is the least offensive part
41 more minutes? :D
A better saints row reboot
@@Eshyyyyy Exactly
I would've asked for a good game, but you know...
41 minutes of flippy but with a better saints row game
Did they really try to add a “power of friendship” arc to an 18+ game? Are Volition hiring children to write for them now?
volition has been immature since sr4
agents of mayhem feels like an 80s cartoon turned into a videogame
now this...should have called this Friends Row or something
Yes, basically any of these SJW activists are just little kids that never grew up or had any consequences in their lives.
I mean, it'd be something if the plot was like 'We'll defeat them with the power of friendship, and this AK-47 I found!'
If only.
Not even kids like the "Power of Friendship". So they fucked that up too.
@@NEEDbacon *Exactly.* 💯
this game truly marks the end of an era. in a very sad and depressing way
Rethawed marks the era of a very happy and hopeful future
Saints Row 3 was the end of an era. Saints Row 3, Saints Row 4, Agents of Mayhem, and now this reboot are all just beating the corpse of Saints Row 1 and 2. This franchise ended 14 years ago and we're the morons who keep thinking MAYBE THIS TIME IT WILL BE GOOD.
How is this comment two days old
@@comedictragedy7239 Time travel bruh
@@comedictragedy7239 because we found the video two days ago
I was just recovered from being hit by one of the most powerful hurricanes to ever make landfall in the history of America, and this video game is still the most depressing thing I've seen in 20 years.
You were alive in 1935? I must say, took you a long time to recover but I’m glad you’re back.
It’s a video game, it ain’t that deep.
@@windebiesteultima3317 Exactly.
@@windebiesteultima3317 video games can't be deep?
@@TouchscreamPresents Hate FOR them shouldn’t be
The whole clip of the Boss saying shit balls and what not after they got fired explains a lot why Volition got absorbed by Gearbox. That is the exact juvenile humor Gearbox loves
When all you have is passion for juvenile humor, everything looks like Borderlands
Gearbox should take a cold shower and deeply reflect on their choices
Borderlands ruined an entire generation of game devs
@@metroided34 It didn't. Get real here. This is just lazy programming 101. At least Borderlands isn't busted and unplayable.
@@brazilian_oak They don't have to, because they made billions of dollars merging with Embracer/Plaion/Koch/Whatever Media. I don't blindly follow the bullshit Total Biscuit narrative of "Slag Borderlands/CoD/Popular game that has a solid formula in a manner that makes the hardiest and most stubborn A-Logs blush because I personally don't like it and subsequently use my personal foreign legion of retards who make the average game developer look like John Carmack by comparison of intellect to defend my stupidity and lack of self-awareness". Games can be good on their own regardless of time and retroactive narrative Autism (Something that retards like TB and TAM fail to understand, PS chumps, it's not "Modern Gaming" it's just bad design and bad design is TIMELESS and non-discriminatory, stop peddling narratives and look for the cloud behind and above that cloud).
Volition lied to Deep Silver/Embracer/THQNordic too many times and began their imbecilic practice of poor developer practices during Summoner 2, the only difference between the Volition of 2002 and the Volition of 2023 was that 2002 Volition was able to paper up the cracks with competent former Flight-sim developers from the Descent/Parallax Software days and current Volition are filled with too many inexperienced, young and arrogant brainlets in the chain of command. And this is what they deserve. At least Gearbox knows how to make games that are practically designed and polished (Aliens: Colonial Marines was an already doomed game from the start thanks to 10 years of Dev Hell between multiple companies and publishers BEFORE Gearbox came around and it is delusional to assume that Obsidian would have made the game good, at all, the same applies to DNF, which was also in Dev Hell back when Randy and some of his GBX co-founders were still employees of 3D Realms) and they don't spam creative with too many clowns, they already have enough clowns as is.
@@DR3ADER1 Im talking more in the writing department, the games are mechanically sound ( 3 is exceptional in that regard) bu tthe story beats and writing legit ruin the whole experienfe tenfold
"I had no idea how far my shame could extend." ~ Kazuo Akuji, Saints Row 2.
W comment
nobody told me there'd be days like these
"I'll make it up to you players, I'll patch SR2, I'll release DLC and fix the bugs in the reboot, I'll-"
"No you won't, Volition. You'll continue to disappoint me."
@@TheRetroShepherd 😂
"When I escape (acute liquidity shortfall), the world (community) won't be big enough for you to hide in"
"Luckily for me you'll burn to death (c11 bankruptcy) in a few minutes (years but eh)"
Giving a character that betrays the main character a knife literally called a "Judas" knife has got to be the worst and unfortunately the best joke in this game... (I actually don't know if it was a joke or they thought that it was big brain foreshadowing.)
I fear it was the latter.
While the Playa and Maero had actual tension, a rivalry, this Boss just wanted the main villain to be his friend and he, very predictably stabs the Boss to kidnap his gang so... they can be his friends...? I guess.
Judas, real fuckin' subtle Volition
I think they thought something that obvious, had to have been great foreshadowing.
I was hoping one of the homies would be the traitor, but they all sucked anyway, the whole crew sucked.
I love this arc. When Flippy reviewed AoM, he sounded harsh, but hopeful. Now it's full: "Time to let the world burn".
How we all felt with AOM
he's on his "betrayal arc"
@@mrcsee6936 with the *Judas* Knife
@@lucaslonchampt613 "JUDAS KNIFE!
*sirens* *spanish*"
Punished “Venom” Flippy
Killbane : The saints legacy ends here not with a bang but with a whimper, when my hands choke the living hell out of you, they wont be booing me, they will be saying thank you killbane.
What did da community manager say to you
Lowkey, Killbane was a great antagonist (no Maero or Mr Akuji, but still good), he had a self-awareness of how the Saints essentially became Vice Kings in Purple and lost their way
Fun fact, I went to SacAnime this year, they had JB Blanc, voice of Zinyak and unprompted when I met him and got SR4 signed after a short chat, he said something to "I've seen the new game and it doesn't look very good...". Now VAs obviously are not obligated to comment positively necessarily unless they work on the game but think about that for a second, again it's unprompted but he openly said that the game was kind of crap to me and... yeah. Yeah it is.
You know you fucked up when even a voice actor for a decapitated alien emperor calls your game out
916 represent!
@@jacobhernandez323 Huh?
@@the-aspiring-creator4249 I'm from Sacramento lol just ignore me
Even funnier i saw a video on twitter of him saying its not good and he was definitely right
Volition literally took that line from SR3 where the Philippe Loren told Johnny Gat he was Belgium, and Gat told him to
"make a fuckin waffle"
To heart 🤦♂️
🤣
I've never seen a company blatantly give the finger to its fans at every chance they get like Volition. Saints Row 1 & 2 were me and my brothers favorite game growing up. Every time I completed the last mission of 2, I'd start another playthrough and had endless amounts of fun, and was so excited when saints Row 3 was announced, and played the hell out of it but was disappointed with a lot of things revolving around the tone, and certain gameplay changes, but mostly still enjoyed it. Just nowhere as close as I did one and two. My brother only did one playthrough of it and was done. I even play four but was so polarized by that game and felt like Volition had lost its own way, or maybe they they just showed their true colors. Rest easy old Saints Row.
Disney is doing it alot lately.
You heard of 2k?😂
@@Mr.PR2000 Makes me wonder if Flippy's passing comment on how there might have been saboteurs in Volition's midst would ring true for most studios; regardless of what medium they are part of.
The worst part is that Volition was one of the best devs when it came to communicating with and reaching out to the community. It's like all of a sudden they did a 180 and developed a deep, burning hatred for the fans out of nowhere.
@@Kola25_97 I have a feeling that you are right. Ever since Covid it’s been getting worse and worse man.
The cat is more OG than the room mates are. And even saved the protagonist when the traitor was going to choke the person to death.
#Cattosbetter
The cat deserved better looks
The cat was the real gangsta.
now that you mention it the cat saved your ass more than your "friends" did. they pushed the you must be friends with these people but neglected the real homie who was supporting you . good ol mister whiskers
Having watched several reviews now. The one thing I still don’t understand about the story is, if they wanted to make your character initially a wage slave that can barely make rent on time, why on earth did they choose to make him part of a Blackwater-esque, private military contractor? They don’t typically make chump change if I’m correct, because they do dangerous things, because they’re mercenaries essentially. Also why are you struggling to pay rent when you have 4 people living in one place? Especially when 2 are gang members who should be used to getting cash thru crime, and the other is a tech nerd?
I know right? As someone around the age of the protagonists (if you can honestly even call them that) I can't think of a better situation to be in, financial wise, than having 3 friends under the same roof, with all 4 of us having quite decent income. They shouldn't be that broke at all.. I live alone in a very expensive city, working at a damn hotel, and seem to be doing better than these 4 idiots were.
Granted. That explains it right there. They are idiots. That's the only thing I can tell myself to not rip apart the idea of one of the few things in this game that could've actually made an iota of sense
Yes the pay can be quite good especially if you are affiliated with a highly regarded company like that, Freelance work getting sent with a group of guys you hardly know until your Contract is up still pays a damn good amount to where you shouldn't be struggling like that.
However he's Company Affiliated Contractor so he would be even better off.
High Risk High Reward, It's an addicting line of work.
I know it's supposed to be satirizing the economic climate of nowadays, but come on. It's not even subtle or making clever jokes about that subject.
If anything, it just gets *really fucking annoying* on how much they shove it into your face.
they also live in a fictionalized state of nevada, shit there kinda cheap. which made this more confusing to me. they all should be in at least mcmansions by now
@@Psyrens guess what, it's because all the "woke" millennial writers behind these shitshows are ny mildly rich college students that never earned anything on their lives
It’s impressive how they managed to make Saints Row 3 and 4 look like masterpieces in both story and gameplay.
SR3, despite being too wacky with its story and changing up the characters too much (barring Pierce, I think he's the only character to be the exact same from SR2), the core gameplay is still Saints Row. The activities are still Saints Row. And this is definitely me, but I've always enjoyed Steelport as a map. I think I prefer SR3 to SR1 (1 just has too much of a difficulty spike, and the activities don't feel well utilised compared to 2 and 3), even if the latter is objectively better, especially in the story department. It's just in SR4, where the overall core identity, even in gameplay, is completely gone.
SR2 will always be my favorite but honestly after seeing enough footage of the reboot, it definitely increases my appreciation for SR3 and makes me want to play it again 😂.
Every time I see the overly long finisher moves in the reboot, it makes SR3's finishers look much more fun
@@Synthenoid_ *looks at 3* "Perhaps I have treated you harshly..."
I tried beating this game 100% because I did all the other Saints Row titles, but because of how fucking broken it was with trophies not unlocking, the million dollar store never appearing, collectables never popping up, certain crib customization items never unlocking, I could only get 98%. Even the game itself doesn't want me to play it. I already lost all hope in Volition as an entity when they went around insulting both old AND new fans saying "haturz gonna hate lol" or "hav u played teh gaem yet??", but now they show that if you removed all connection and background to the series and the company, they can't even make good games to any degree. It's sad, but Saints Row 1 and 2 really was just lightning in a bottle and the company will never reach that point again in both actual game quality and their connection to the fans (many of which both big and small still try to cope by saying the game isn't "that bad").
SR:R true 100%
Bro respect to you for even being able to 98 this bullshit. I couldn’t even finish the main story, I ended up skipping a lot of cutscenes the dialogue in game and cutscene wise was so unbearable.
@@archivefolds good for you for not finishing the story. You skipped out on arguably one of the worst twists in video games. I was so pissed at it, if it were not for the fact it was the very end of the game, I probably would've postponed trying to complete it or outright dropped the game altogether.
Mine is not even buggy ( save for a few, nothing game or immersion breaking) and I still have no desire to 100% this game. It's just really boring imo.
Why would you subject yourself, to the horror of completing this pile of trash? I don't think this game is worth 5min of my time just looking at it, let alone worth completing.
As a brazilian, I just wanna say that our bootlegs are way better than anything in this god awful game
LMAO, facts.
There is a game GTA inspired set in Brazil. It looks good so far! I forgot the title i think it's a number.
Even GTA 4/ Tropa de Elite for the Playstation 2 sold in the back-alleys was more interesting than this. Even if it crashed once a hour, it was ridiculous amount of fun for a GTA SA modpack with a modmenu.
I think the GTA inspired game might be 171? Honestly, this reboot is so disappointingly shit that even the buggiest Bomba Patch looks better.
A Brazillian bootlegs?
That is a lot!
If there is one thing this game did right, it's making me actually appreciate Sr3 and Sr4. Perhaps I treated those too harshly. Might go back and play them again.
I think I will too.
a lot of people feel that way too so you’re probably gonna find a co-op partner pretty easily
I didn't like saints row 3 and 4 but at least they had SOME redeemable features and aspects, Saints Row reboot litterally has NOTHING
SR4 deserved that harsh treatment, the game was fucking awful. It pretty much ruined the franchise and caused the new game to try and replicate what they did with SR2
@@akuisbestgirl2448 its really not that bad, it just shouldnt of been canon and shouldve been a sr3 dlc.
22:51 "Oh, come on. Just buy the freakin' donuts." I can't believe Volition thought this fail state is something to laugh at.
It would be half decent, if it wasn't used in the midst of shit.
Even POSTAL 2 lets you murder everyone in line if you get sick of waiting.
Still convinved some higher up gave Volition a copy of Watch_Dogs 2 and told them to make the next Saints Row "like that".
As the two are beat-for-beat the same characters.
Which is doubly funny when you consider Eli’s VA is also Marcus from WD2.
@@beachwind7274 Really? I didn't know that!
@@beachwind7274 no they're not the same lmao
Larry Bundy!
@@beachwind7274 not true.
To your point at the end, the sales fell off dramatically after the first week and the CEO of Embracer said it won't make much money.
Thanks for that, it was easily the most maddening thing. I barely play new games now because of how much of a mess they are and hearing how THIS was able to outsell saints row 2 was extremely depressing. People will buy anything and they have no idea that if they just held off for a little bit games would get good again and developers would have to try harder, but that will never happen again. All you can do is support the small companies that really try and put effort into it. AAA studios are a lost cause.
@@BayouReaperz saints row 2 sold 3.5 M copies, they haven't made the sales numbers for reboot public yet but we do know it sold more than agents of mayhem
@@nikolasferreira3247 it sold more than Agents of Mayhem in the UK. According to VGChartz Agents of Mayhem sold 5,000 copies in the UK so the reboot according to reports sold 5 times more so 5 X 5000= 25000 then sales dropped off by 80% they haven’t revealed the real numbers so it’s probably low
@@BayouReaperz i hope so as well brother.
@@zelloguy It'll probably just break even
I recently played through Yakuza 0 after a friend recommended it to me and I have to say, I feel like the tone for the game is what this Saints Row should have been; a serious story with some goofy side stuff. You can have a dramatic scene involving someone being forced to kill an innocent person by the Yakuza, and then a side mission where you teach a dominatrix how to humiliate someone.
Yakuza is something different but ur right
I literally just began playing Yakuza 0 a couple days ago and tonight I just completed the how to train your dominatrix side mission.
Ha that side event. Nailed it lol. Yakuza have lot of funny/cute/ "wait? What?" Side event while keep the main game serious.
Yakuza and Saints Row 2 actually have a lot of similarities like that. The silly/serious split, the varied sub activities, the surprisingly deep look at the subcultures being represented, the space-compressed Greatest Hits cities they take place in... I got flashbacks to slot racing as I was doing the LARP sidequests in SR2022, and I didn't hate them because of it.
yakuza 7 and the judgement series are how you do a switch up in style/gameplay RIGHT
I would forgive Volition for every wrong decision they made with this game if it ended with Johnny Gat, Shaundi and Pierce showing up to that church with the Third Street Saints, explaining that their boss sent them cos these guys are copying their Saints Gang and gunning these posers down.
Now I would actually pay for that.
@@jayshaft3179 Extra points if Gat says he doesn’t care about them copying the Saints, he just wants to kill them for the sake of killing them.
And have pierce bone the glasses chick
RIGHT?? I miss Johnny.
That would fucking kick ass. Wouldn't save the game though.
I remember seeing a comment on a video saying, "The whole story I was waiting for the actual main characters to come in and shoot all of the current "main characters" calling them a bunch of fakes"
And looking at a few of the cutscenes, there was perfect moments for this to exactly happen... though even if they did this, it'll still be the same.
The gameplay reminds me of Crackdown 3 where theres very little actual gameplay and just a bunch of long drawn out quests that involve driving, shooting, talking, shooting again, and driving again.
That last bit is a lot like what I felt with Mafia III. Sure, I liked the story, at least on Donovan, but the gameplay essentially boiled down to exactly that, even the world itself feels plastic with less interaction than Mafia II.
This is the sharpest decline I've ever seen in any video game series ever
Thanks Obama
Chasing after a younger audience each sequel, trying to appease game journalists, and make a niche audience they wanted instead of winning back the disgruntled fanbase they already had.
Sharper than the Great Depression, imo
When I heard Volition shut down, I didn't feel bad because they were acting all smug, dissing OG saints row fans, made cringe memes, made a post about "haters gonna hate" and just ignore people's warning about releasing the game, it was one of those downfalls you just can't help but laugh at.
Fr this is such an interesting case study on how not to treat your fans or make a game. I’m not sure what they were expecting but at least they got humbled in the end 😂
Calling their biggest fans terrorists and haters for how they took the franchise into a whole other direction, doesn't help them either 😂
Lead writer came from writing for AoM the rest of the team came from mobile dating sim games...
yup
I also heard that ANITA SARKEESIAN was a writing consultant for this game, that true?
Do a comparison with the cringy writing in AOM and you'll see where this came from. New Volition right now are just leftovers from that flop. People who try to hard to appeal to kids with m-rated games, and people who just cant write. Let alone the ego of their creative director, and none of these guys having any experience or interest writing an actual crime drama. They could have gotten someone that wrote for a movie or TV show or something like how Elden Ring outsourced a novelist, but noooo. The kids they had in mind for this game were who they aimed for.
@Just Dancing Machine yes
Looking back at SR3 and even to an extent SR4 after this is like looking back to the Star Wars prequels after the sequels came out. Just the words "Perhaps I treated you too harshly"
SR3 and 4 were never bad tbh
@@Gameprojordan in comparison to the first 2 they were mediocre, or atleast 3 was. 4 was more of an SR-themed Infamous clone that would have been fine as a self-aware swan song for the series. It's just modern AAA games are usually so awful it makes even the most lukewarm title from a decade ago look downright stellar.
@@Gameprojordan sr3 was a bad at Gabe, sr4 isn't even saints row
SR3 was OK, that's about it. SR4, us "fun" but not as aSR game
Yep
"The Saints Row reboot sold well"
Proceeds to singlehandedly get Voliton dismantled. 🤡🤡🤡
It sold well because people were duped and bought into the Hype. Just because a sells well doesn't mean it's a good game.
The Last Of Us 2 sold well too but it was SJW garbage.
@@emperorpalpatine1228 The Last of Us 2 was pretty good. Sad to hear you didn't like it.
@@mrcocoloco7200 It wasn't good. It wasn't even great. The overwhelming consensus agrees.
@@emperorpalpatine1228 Yeah that's because everyone went with the hate wagon instead of a giving a good reason to hate it. Some did gave a good opinion why they didn't like it but sadly majority gave lousy reasons to hate it.
@@mrcocoloco7200 Shitty writing is a good reason to hate it. Another reason is that they made every character in the game totally unlikeable. I couldn't even give a shit about Ellie in the game.
My issue is not that they took out all the comedy, it’s that the comedy left is so safe and so nothing it goes back around to offending me
oh hey you're still alive i haven't seen a comment by you since like 2021
You could say that the game is offensively unfunny😒
I remember even laughing out loud at some of the radio ads and product names (ie a restaurant called "Tits and Grits") but even that's been neutered.
You know a game gonna be dookie when they thought Rim Jobs was too offensive, and got rid of Freckle Bitches (now it’s just FB) 🤡🤦♂️
Developers are a bunch of snowflakes
I don't care about the comedy personally, because story and world building is what sets up the lore and SR1 did that very well. This game tries to make the plot comedic only for it to feel just shallow, let alone the plot and villain motivation itself is just awful. People thinking that Saints Row is just comedy and customization is what lead to the series not taking itself seriously enough to actually have a good plot but, the fact Volition actually thinks this shit, is good right now makes it even sadder. This shit.
I think what makes me most sad is that no matter how much criticism we give of the game it’s all going to go unheard. No matter if it’s presented in the kindest way possible or aggressively it’s all just being ignored by Voilition. Voilition have turned into some weird cult that just disregards the reality that what they made is terrible and that they’re just peddling a sub par game at best.
They also know that a lot of people gave them criticism that was objective and not aggressive but they still rejected it. There is just way too much ego put into this game, and it just sounds like Volition is just in an echo chamber right now. No different from how they picked and chooe who they wanted to give review codes to basd on who they thought would be casual and give them just normie praise. They ignored longtime content creators they didnt want to be critical of them, thanked reddit mods who were banning people and deleting negative threads, and only wanted certain people to give opinions they promoted on the game.
That's cuz most of the initial criticism came from The Quartering or Critical Drinker type people who keep whining about everything being woke and those people aren't taken seriously.
@@TheIrland09 sure but this is not thinking critically and just automatically hating an opinion because you don’t like the person is just emotional stubbornness
The silver lining is that they don't have sportsball money like EA so inevitably they'll end up going bankrupt. Maybe whoever buys the IP will actually understand the bloody appeal behind SR.
@@TheIrland09 Im pretty sure they're taken seriously considering critical drinker gets millions of views
On Reddit there was a post I made where I said that the only way they could EVER recover from this game is if they made it so the ACTUAL boss from Saints Row 1,2,3,4, etc. Comes back after hearing that they stole their name and put a bullet in all of them
I feel bad for everyone that beat the game, ESPECIALLY the 100% ending, I cringed so bad that I left the room and drank until I passed out and got a hangover in the morning
The lead writer for this game is a middle aged childless women from LA.
Holy shit I just watched the 100% ending and it was even worse than I expected.
Another drinking game that leads to alcohol poisoning: take a shot every time you wish you were playing sr2 instead
@@nugsboodlepoo I can’t believe that’s even a thing, let alone the real secret ending.
@@junkie_cosmonaut9622 😂 Bro I would, but i like my liver
I commented on another video reviewing this game saying, "I genuinely feel like Volition took personal offense to the responses over AoM, so much so that they set out to make the worst possible Saints Row game ever so that people would stop asking them to return to the series." They quite simply have no desire to continue making Saints Row and would rather ruin its reputation than deal with any more public outcry.
Sounds very childish...sounds like volition
@cancerbucket2245 and yet it's tragically untrue. Volition wanted to make a proper Saints Row 5 but Deepsilver couldn't keep they're hands off the damn thing
I think the developers likely had a number of bad days while working on this game. They were also very defensive of the game towards their fans on Twitter. Additionally, I can't believe it costed 100 million dollars to make a really buggy and bland-looking game. The graphics look terrible as well. It is outrageous. Plain and simple.
Wow wtf 100 million? Talk about money laundering i bet if you looked at the higher ups paychecks during the time this game was being aborted they were making B A N K
@TheRealRusDaddy No, really. It did cost over $100 million to make.
Something I really didn’t understand was how contrived calling themselves the Saints was.
In the past games, they were called the Saints because they lived on a block called Saints Row.
In this game, they just find a purple fleur de lis in a very barren, unremarkable church and decide on the name instantly
It seems so low effort and that low effort is felt all throughout the rest of the game.
Stilwater was the city, the street was called 3rd street, saints row was the district the 3rd street saints was born on 3rd street in the saints row district
I never thought I would see the quote "Your carbon footprint always matters." in ANY SR game, from ANY NPC.
Tf is a carbon footprint
@@personwitharat9039 Doublespeak from people who believe they're better than all of us.
@@personwitharat9039 Definition taken from Wikipedia:
A carbon footprint (or greenhouse gas footprint) is a calculated value or index that makes it possible to compare the total amount of greenhouse gases that an activity, product, company or country adds to the atmosphere
Fun fact 2: the carbon footprint was developed by the big oil companies themselves.
So nothing "woke" or green about it.
They somehow made saints row 4 not the worst saints row, amazing
I loved saints row 4 and gat out of hell tbh
@@brianloften769Saints row 4 was actually really good it just wasn’t a proper Saints row game but I mean if you compare this reboot to 4 then it’s pretty clear it’s a better Saint Row game despite it being pretty far from original Saints row
@@cuckooforcoconut2079 luckily the reboot is free now for ps+
That mission where you actually have to wait in line to get the doughnuts or the mission fails would be like if the fight before Christmas mission in the Saints Row IV Christmas dlc failed you if you didn't actually lick the candy cane door open
What I loved about sr4 was how self aware it was. If the reboot had maybe a laugh track I would have gave it a pass.
I remember that lol
You didn’t lick the candy cane door open?
@@gamerguy6990 I only did it for the achievement
They stole that mission from Postal 2, an actually good game
This games characters and overall tone can be described simply as: "How do you do, fellow kids?"
“Fr, no cap, on god” also the game characters
@@unionblue21 bussin'
"Wait a minute you're not one of us boomer..."
When I was playing this game I kept yelling “YOURE A F*CKING GANG!!!” Like what does a gang care about a stupid copyright strike from Marshall?! What does a gang care about a stupid codex book?! What does a gang care about vegan baking?! These characters are literally just broke college grads not badass hardened criminal thugs like in SR2
flippy, i genuinely wish that you were on that development team. you have a great sense of what makes a game fun, you actually know what the saints row fanbase wants, and on top of that, you're witty and have a solid grasp how to make something funny. it seems saints row is irredeemable as a franchise now, but if there's any chance of another game (assuming volition doesn't go bankrupt) i think you should genuinely consider pitching something to the team and/or trying to get a spot as a consultant. the quality of your content over the years and your love for the franchise speaks for itself. out of anyone in this small community, YOU are the only one that can save what's left of this nuclear mess. however, it seems they've really screwed themselves with this one. only time will tell
Every team has an ideas man because it's easy to have a good idea. What's hard is translating that idea into reality. Most pitches don't exactly land as originally envisioned.
Nothing against flip, I just need to sober people with reality.
@@keonh.2679 Ye this ain't real
@@keonh.2679 well in the case of saints row 2022, their ideas sucked to begin with and they translated them into reality poorly. i know it's a stretch, but at least having flippy on the team would mean they would have better ideas. he would have nothing to lose, as does the saints row franchise.
Based on the type of people who made this game, they probably hate him and would rather make another piece of shit then take any of his criticism
@@trashman3319 absolutely lmao, it seems volition kinda hates saints row in general ironically
this review doesn't disappoint me, it just makes me depressed. I have hundreds of hours in the saints row games, and it's one of my favorite series. This isn't a saints row game. I have no idea what its identity even is.
They retweeted someone thanking volition for the fine difficulty tweaking as an "accessibility feature." A moderator on the discord literally stated "Fuck people who like SR1 and SR2." Definitely shows where their priorities are.
Wow what a fucking shame
This game is a wreck
They don't want to offend people yet they rob a place and punch a guy
Did they not consider the many victims of store hold ups?
I don't know but seeing all these "lol so random" food discussions and one of the members being a cat, make me wonder if the lead writer was a 40 year-old woman who spends her days on Twitter while Friends is playing on the TV in the background.
Of course it is, look at the community manager lmoa
That's exactly what it is, 100%, you can look at the developer's Twitter pages and the accounts they interact with.
Reminds me of the creators of High Guardian Spice
Nahuali being bald somehow makes the end game 10x more funny honestly...which isn't really that funny but its funnier than any of the jokes in this game.
He wanted to be Walter White
Good Ending: Volition is shut down, and the Saints Row IP is given to THQ Nordic, who make an excellent reboot/remake of the first Saints Row game.
Called half of it, now to wait and see what Deep silver does with the ip
@@MediaGhost_ Gearbox has the IP now.
@@Kavallero
Fuck.
@@Kavallero Oh no, it's gonna get greasy...
You went through this so we didn't have to.
A true hero.
I did too, and thankfully, I started turning back into a sigma, anytime my comments that sound so beta during my then playthrough I will delete
I hate deleting anything old, but those comments don't represent myself as a saints row veteran since 2014
I sounded like another critic who eats woke product like the recent two TV shows
the entire game felt like one bad nostalgia critic skit
Hopefully this serves as a warning to developers. Actively not making what your fans want for a decade will not go well for you
Blizzard done this and they're still breaking sale records. People are just too dumb
did you watch the video lol it did go well for them they outsold saints row 2, its actually over for gaming
@@michaelfample Bro, SR2 is old af, ofc it has less sales, games werent as popular as they are now
@@michaelfample It actually didn't sell more than SR2 (I'm not really sure why Fl1ppy would say that). In fact, it did so poorly that Volition is now being merged with Gearbox.
@@gyflies yeah i saw that too, glad i was proven wrong lol. i still have no hope for gamers though
I'm fascinated by this because it seems to be a game story written by someone who has little to no idea what crime is or how criminals operate.
Oh and adding an item that is quite literally a McGuffin with zero actual reason behind it is hilarious.
I could sit and create a reason for it right now.
Also that cat is scarry as hell.
The point of The Nahualli is that he represents the old Saint Row series, namely 1 and 2. The current Boss and his friends are the current developers and this title. The interactions between the two is basically the currents dev acknowledging the originals by introducing him as a badass........just like the original Boss. He kills Sergio because the original Boss killed the bosses in the older games. He is written to try and be friends with the current Boss and their crew because the current devs want this game to stand along side the older titles. Nahualli then tries to bury the current Boss (with the devs saying that older fans prefer Saints Row 1, 2 and maybe 3) and kidnap their friend kidnaps (this time the devs saying that those titles would surpass this one) and him getting killed at the end (the dev's ego as a whole saying that this title is the superior one in the series).
And also, the speech at the church during the gang's formation in this game is Voltition (The Boss) takling directly to us, the audience (the Saints members) about how they feel about the franchise as a whole.
Wow. So basically they wrote a shitty story for the express purpose of being a dumbass allegory for themselves. Peak narcissism.
This sounds correct
Dear God, I see it, I see the main cast are self-inserts.
This makes me think about how they could have made it work. What if, after the "bonding exercises", the Nahualli realizes that the Boss's potential as a badass and as a leader is held back by how fragile his friends are. He starts trying to convince The Boss that they have greater potential than being the roommate of a bunch of losers, but they blow him off constantly. This happens to the point where the Nahualli knocks out the Boss, kidnaps his friends, and when the Boss comes to save them, he executes all three, to purposefully elicit a response. This enrages the Boss immensely, they do everything in their power to get to him, and when they do and they beat him within an inch of his life, he boasts about how they can finally grow to the potential he sees in them, and when they're at the top, they'll thank him, before the Boss kills him
Going through the plot again after taking the perspective here... Is pretty damn accurate.
In regards to the patch, apparently it was not a paid project. It was a project by two of the developers who have a huge passion for the earlier game, in their free time, after working on SR2022 for Volition. One of the two developers has passed away from Cancer, and now it is likely only one man working on the patch (unpaid, in his free time). This man is still assigned to work on the patches for SR2022, so he is very busy...
Seeing as Volition takes no responsibility for this project, and will not pay any employees to work on it, it could be a LONG time before we see the SR2 patch.
We've already been waiting for like 7 years :(
@wwemusicfanC the patch isn't funded in any way by volition.. its one developer in his free time... if volition were to go under or not, it wouldn't change anything.
There is no plan to pay him, or to give him company time for it. The man works long shifts at volition before working on the patch at home.
Maybe volition going under would get him into a new job where he'd have more free time to work on it? Maybe it would HELP the patch? Idk, obviously... but I believe volition really isn't pushing for it anyway...
Decided to come back to this review after hearing Volition went under. The whole situation is just so goddamn sad. All fans wanted was a game just like SR2 or SR1, but they decided to jump the shark and make a completely different property. And by god did that decision end up biting them in the ass.
I wonder if the studio would still be alive if things had turned out differently. If they’d actually managed to cobble together a really good Saints Row game, would that have been enough to save them? We’ll never know now, but the possibility of that being true makes their closing down way sadder.
Its hard to believe that the writing that went into this 'reboot' ended up being so bad and then the buggy mess it was to play. Yet the devs and community manager are against the older games that, at least to fans had solid writing that people enjoyed. Instead they made a reboot inspired literally by twitter. They really need to take Deep Silver off the IP. Hope some other publisher and studio gets a chance at it.
This is even sadder when you realize now is the best time to release such a game because people are getting sick of playing GTA V for the past 10 years and a game like the OG Saints Row would be prime for people to play an alternative.
“It’s our time now, let’s get this shit started” I passed away immediately after those words came out of his mouth
It was such a weak delivery of that Iconic phrase and the way it was used was piss poor.
"....and I'm a walking murder party." I immediately stopped "trying" to like this story & characters.
Wanna know what could’ve been a great story? If they played on The Player being an undercover mercenary infiltrating the saints, remember the plot of SR2? How Ultor was using The Saints to dismantle the other gangs? Well imagine if we did that story from the perspective of an undercover Ultor operative, we see the player join the saints and with the skills and intel granted by Ultor and their training, you rise through the ranks, after the first gang gets taken down, the secret agent part is revealed to players, while the player is joining you see them say that edgy “don’t get close to anyone, you might lose them” but it’s cause deep down you’re a Judas, as the game goes on you get closer and closer and you become a triple agent when Ultor leads the attack on the saints, you infiltrate Ultor and take them down from the inside BAM, Saints win again
You tried Masakoteam's Ultor Rising?
@@AgentDanielCross no, don’t have a PC
Truth be told? I think an origin story with Julius and Ben starting up the Saints would have been a fantastic story. To see those two in Sunnyvale Gardens starting up the Saints because of the corruption of Los Carnales would have been a great, serious topic would still allow room for the comedy, but also grounding it back to it's roots, and it would be interesting to see the Rollerz starting up as well, and seeing how the conflict was between them, really seeing how these gangs avoided going to wars with each other before the Playa came along. And to not write an entire script, the middle part should have been surrounding the eventual splitting up of Julius and Ben and maybe the whole time you were playing as Julius, so you then see the original Saints forming together, and by the ending, you reach the point of seeing Julius and Troy on the way to the Church and the beginning of Saints Row 1 with the scene closing out and the words "You okay, Playa?" And then end credits.
Weren't they going to make a psp game about that?
@@abikegavin9641 I would have wanted that and maybe more exploration of Chinatown and the street racing underground scene that Lin was from (maybe 10 years before SR1), something like Tokyo Drift, and you'd see more about who William Sharpe was investing in, and he was using the gang to compete with them. A lot of potential city exploration.
Something that wasn't mentioned was the million dollar store. You would think it would be a nice secret huge location to have after achieving one hundred percent completion in Saints Row 2022 but nope it is a small little store that is just titled the million dollar store.
Yea but it's ironic, so funny
"The cops are barely exist."
Showing a floating head of a cop.
I didn't expect he mean it literally. 😂
Btw I can't consider this a Saints Row, it just too early for April Fools for the fans like me but this time they had budget for a prank. This makes the Saints Row 4 a decent game.
"Btw I can't consider this a Saints Row"
It's like when Assassins Creed stopped being about Assassins and the core gameplay completely changed. I couldn't even remotely call them AC games.
at least with sr4 it was fun
The Sequel definitely won’t sell well if there will be
Unless another studio makes it
Honestly the only thing I could see winning fans over and that is feasible to come out of the studio with current management is a remaster of atleast SR2 but ideally a package remaster of 1&2 in a collection bundle.
Basically just exactly like they did it with SR:TT because that was an actually good remaster.
Please tell me this one didnt sell well.
@@edwin99901 The CEO said that sales were not looking good.
@@edwin99901 watch the video, the game has already sold more than saints row 2
Inb4 gearbox silently cancels the SR2 patch now that they own volition
As soon as you said this, Silent Hill 2's "Silent Heaven" track played in my head.
Truly horrifying thought.
In just 5 minutes, this is legit the only review on this game I've seen with substance. Every other review I watched undermined their point by trying to shove as many jokey jokes into the game as possible, but none of them specifically spoke to why the gameplay sucks. Like. I haven't heard anyone talk about throwables being removed as it's own entity and being shoved into a meter move which legitimately makes no sense or the complete lack of response from shooting directly at people.
There's a few others I could link ya
I don’t think there will be a sequel thankfully. There’s a lot of hints that the game is pretty much already a failure. Embracers stock dropping heavily on release day. 80% sales drop after two weeks, and recently the embracer group CEO announced that he is disappointed by the sales and reception. The game is also already discounted on all platforms lmao. The best that can happen is that another company that actually cares ends up buying the saints row IP.
True lol i have no clue where he got his info from but despite the fact we don’t know the exact sale figures of the reboot as of now, it’s clear it is already failing which was inevitable. It’ll never outsell any of the saints row games i think.
> The best that can happen is that another company that actually cares ends up buying the saints row IP.
HIGHLY doubt it. If anything, I think the lesson video game publishers will learn is "Don't even bother developing an open world sandbox unless you have a decade of development time to spare or Rockstar money to burn." Like I said in another comment now; the chasm is simply too vast to bridge now.
The sped up voice on Kevin makes him sound like a cross between Ray William Johnson and the Minions
That shit killed me 😂
I'm 30 minutes in and I find it hilarious that it took a game this bad for Flippy to realize SR3 wasn't that bad.
Spoiler: even people who like 3, 4 and Gat (like me) despise this reboot.
I'm loving all the rage. This game deserves it. Godspeed, Flippy.
I mean 3 got me into the series but it’s nowhere near 1 and 2 after you play them all
Gat was short without substance and 4 just didn’t fit in with the series at all
Same here, SR 3&4 I had a fun time with, Gat out of Hell was interesting but not for me. This I wouldn't even pirate to try it out. I have zero interest in this crap.
The problem with 3 and specially 4 is that they feel half assed. The last I played, the 4th game, was so unbelievably underwhelming towards the end, and after you're done with zinyak you get literally nothing, I was expecting to at least see the mothership painted purple
I like SR3 but it's just brainless and gets boring after a bit. SR2, even with the poorly ported vehicle controls, was fun as hell and the gun play was brainless but good.
This abomination? Not even torrenting.
The reboot feels like they just tried to copy SRTT but watered it down.
The writing was already on the wall when Shaundi calls her cool and chill old self "insecure" and "useless" in SR4
You can see signs of this direction in SR3 and 4 actually
Glad someone else picked up on that. The whole thing there was meta commentary on how Volition feels about the older characters for some reason despite them not actually writing anything better. What significant thing has any of the characters after SR2 actually did? What the fuck did SR3 Shaundi do in the games? She did absolutely nothing but babysit Josh Birk. Did nothing but Volition thinks SR2 Shaundi was useless? Even though she helped the Boss break into a police station and helped fight a raid at their hotel base? SR3-SR4 Shaundi didnt do jack shit in the games. She also has no problem with Kinzie who Volition pretty mch used for plot armor endlessly in SR4, making Deep Silver's Shaundi useless. Honestly, I just cant with Volition or Deep Silver. The arrogance over mediocrity. Then you call them out on it, and they jump to "guys its just a parody". A parody of what? Bad writing?
@@GeteMachine truth! SR2 shaundi was an extremely competent wise and unshakeable only to be reduced to the now overly angry and irrelevant version she is now.
i mean, without Shaundi in SR2 idk how the saints would have even gotten most of what they needed to get done in the way it needed to get done. they turned her from a pillar of the saints to a forgettable secretary
@@GeteMachine Shaundi in the later games just turned into a person with less personality, less identity and just worse person. And the fact that the writers 'agree' that her younger self was somehow worse...Yeah.
As far as I know despite being a financial success, the game is considered a failure, so Volition is now part of Gearbox which might as well be a death sentence. Hello Randy!
Not even a finanical success, game had a $100 million budget, and apparently didn’t make the development costs back yet.
And now Volition is gone.
Now review the Tony Hawks 1/2 Remaster and then Session. heart you Flipster!
I owe Saints Row 4 a massive apology.
Why? It's still a shitty game
@@_zigger_ only SR2 diehards say SRIV is a bad game. you're just 100% factually incorrect 💀
@@SlyJordie no he has a point saints row 3 &4 are bad compared to what came before but the reboot the reboot is in its own league with reguards to how shitty it is the only good thing to come from it’s release is all saints row fans rather you like 1&2 or 3&4 can all come together to the conclusion that this reboot is dog shit
@@SlyJordie sr4 shits on the intire story of Saints row
@@_zigger_ cause at least SR4 knows it’s a parody and has good gameplay.
I'm glad that this game killed Volition. Maybe in a few years we get a real good saints row clone
I’m so glad you mentioned driver 2 for the dive god I wish it was just a rare thing so it could be wrote off as an Easter egg cause it would have been so funny and not just disappointing
you didnt even have to make this video, the public one you have sufficed your point - but you still did. you truly are a saints row legend, another banger flipster, cya next time :D
EDIT: wow.. that ending info was the most blackpilling content ever, as if i wasnt nihilistic towards the series enough already
Poor Flippy, he’s been covering Saints Row content since forever. Imagine all those years you dedicate your channel to Saints Row glitches and Easter eggs and even make wishlists for a new Saints Row game only to presented with this pile of buggy crap. I feel Flippy’s pain and anger, I really do.
if we knew where saints row was going to end up, we would've cherished SR3 and SR4 when they released
The reboot's flaws don't just discedit the same issues in SR3 and SR4.
@@GeteMachine agreed. as flawed as those games are though i'd still take those over the reboot any day of the week
At this point I enjoy Flippy’s videos way more than the Saints Row series itself
I got this game for $5 on eBay, and I still felt like I wasted my money. Literally only things I genuinely enjoyed with the game were the customization of my character, and the fact it takes place in the Southwest because I grew up in the Southwest, made me feel nostalgic
We need to also acknowledge that, how can we trust the game actually sold well? You don’t think they were being honest with their numbers right?
Seeing how Volition is falling under its own weight and the Saint Row series has fallen under Gearbox hell, fuck no
It took me forever to realize that J.R. was the replacement for Rim Jobs. They didn't have the balls to put Freckle Bitch's or Rim Jobs, so it's FBs and some guy named Jim-Rob.
The 2022 reboot has not outsold saints row 2 yet, it hasnt even sold 2 million copies at this point.
Yeah, they need to sell 2 million in order to break even...
Once I saw it's release, all I could think about was "nooo... flipster, my homie will be so heartbroken"
always nice to see a roachdogg jr. out on the plains
I really want flippy to continue his Saints row 1 informative playthrough. i want to wash my mind of this rebooted filth.
I had never played a Saints Row game before; I downloaded this game when it was free.
I still wanted my money back. The story mode was short, but oddly mercifully short? I really despised the protagonists of this title. They pissed me off equally, but Kevin was the worst. I don't care that he likes to sleep with both sides of the aisle, or the magical weekends he spends with the pair of boyfriends, or the numerous other randos and randettes he's bedded. I don't remember anyone Kevin introduced to Boss that he didn't casually brag about sleeping with.
What pissed me off the most was that he ran with the Idols, a bunch of trust fund kids. How the heck was he struggling to put up rent or pay for food?? That fridge was woefully empty.
After coming off of Street Fighter 6s limited color options for World Tour clothes, I was pleased leaps and bounds by Saints' customization mode. However, I played SR 4 after SR2022 and felt disappointed in the latter. As an apple woman myself, I appreciated my boss'wiggles and jiggles and seggs appeal. In 2022 the lady strut and jiggles are gone and the nipple option doesn't save it. Whether your boss is male or female, they have the same manly strut, which I found pretty lame.
Had I played 4 first, there would be no way I would have made it through more than the first hour of 2022.
"downloaded the game when it was free, still want my money"
me too
26:38 that was raw unadulterated rage mixed with betrayal and hurt so evident in one short burst. This game has broken too many.
this is so sad to see. getting saints row 2 for my 9th birthday and being the happiest kid in the world. turning 21 and seeing saints row come out like this is truly disheartening
Feel this
When I was a kid, I told my parents that I would appreciate the stuff that comes out once I'm grown up.
Kid me didn't anticipate a giant Gramskian assault on culture that would make that stuff GENUINELY SHIT. I had a massively unfair disadvantage.
This shit was fucking hilarious. Thank you Flippy for easing the pain of this slap in the face return to the series by sharing your own personal trauma
Now that Coolio is gone we may never reach Gangster's Paradise ever again.
sigh....if only Saints Row 2 had a modding scene like Skyrim or GTA V. at this point I'd be over the moon if we could just get a PC port of the Original Saints Row game.
There's a pretty neat mod for Saints row 2 called ultor rising.
You can play sr1 on PC with the Xbox 360 emulator
@@maverick9275 Oh wow really? Haha thanks I'll check it out!
All the characters in the reboot just sound and act like Josh Birk from SR3 but even worse. It's almost like they took his wannabe saint character and just...slapped it on everything.