I bought a £59 tent...BUT is it any good?
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In this video I head out to Gooutdoors to pick up a £59 tent which hopefully turns out to be a bargain budget wild camping tent
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it looks like a decent tent at a good price.
I'm always put off Go Outdoors pricing policy though. They say it's a £220 tent but available to members at £59. It's not a £220 tent. No-one's being fooled by that. I wish they'd stop doing it because it makes Go Outdoors look like they think their customers are stupid.
I've had this tent for a few years now. Great value never let me down would really recommend it.
I looked at their prices last month and they did indeed seem to be implying we are gullible 😅
You are totally correct.
Go Outdoors just pluck those numbers out of their backsides. When I bought mine for £50, the RRP stated £180 and that was in Oct 22.
I agree it's probs a 120 ISH full price tent so at half price it's a good buy but noway have they ever sold at full price an oex tent 😂
A video on tips for buying second hand tents would be great ✌️ love from Newcastle
Just done a Scottish wild camping expedition from sea kayaks and one of the team used this tent. We had the usual rain and strong winds and he had no complaints about the tent - other than being a bit snug. So a real world test of it and seemed robust enough.
The best review is often when there is nothing to report, isn't it!
I absolutely love all your videos Paul but you get the huge respect when you review the cheaper but decent products on the market. In fact I went and purchased the OEX Heiro as it released after watching your video on that and it’s seen me through so many camping and hiking trips weeks on end and it’s brilliant!
This stuff massively influences those on a budget to get outdoors ✊🏼
OEX make some fantastic tents for their price!
I have a Phoxx1 v 1 which although I found too small for my needs (more a glorified bivi) has survived some really gnarly weather and likewise, a Coyote 3 which I have used as a base camp tent for about four years. The Coyote in particular has surprised me surviving some proper stormy nights with 40mph gusts, torrential rain and even a couple of inches of snow. Ok, they aren't the lightest or at the cutting edge of design, but they are solid and reliable shelters...and much like DFS; Go Outdoors are never far away from having a sale where their own brand stuff can be picked up at a bargain price (never pay full price, there will be an offer along in a couple months! 😉)
This tent was how I first started my wild camping!
It’s a good little shelter, and it certainly can handle some rough stormy conditions, as I myself know well!
It’s a very warm tent also, you could easily use it as a proper 4-season shelter..
downsides are that it is on the heavy side for a small 1-pole 1-man tent, and it does suffer badly from condensation!
And that very saggy inner becomes very annoying quickly. I fixed that issue with a 6-kg pull weight neodymium magnet under that guy-out point at the back, place the other opposite on the inner and bobs your uncle…
I don’t have this tent anymore, but I certainly made the right choice buying it in starting out with the wild camping. 👍🏻
Wouldn’t that magnet make the inner and outer touch though?
@@Funitalianlessons essentially, yes!
But only at that small contact point of the magnets. I couldn’t think of another better solution, so that was the clear fix for me.. Besides, the inner and outer are all stuck together in the morning anyhow, due to the condensation issues of this very small tent.
I had the same issue with the inner and used velcro tabs to alleviate the sagging, which also works fairly well.
This is the tent that was famously last tent standing of a group of three following a bit of a storm in the Lakes. The other two tents were a Tarptent (trashed) and a Hilleberg Soulo BL (bent pole). This little £59 Bobcat shrugged off the gusts 😁 and laughed. I have one and it’s very sturdy but the sloping fabric drives me nuts.
I should add in the spirit of fact and indeed fairness that it was acknowledged by the user of the Tarptent that he had not pitched it probably, resulting in its failure.
@@pootlingalong8928saw that video.. oex tents are v well engineered.. I guess as English tent company they know English weather 😂
Had this tent for a while now and love it. It reallt does pack down quite small if you stick the pole in the side pocket of your rucksack. Picked up the Expedition tarp for it too, works great with trekking poles if you want a bit more shelter on rainy nights.
I’d use the outer only, without the inner, as a standalone wildcamping shelter. That’ll save on weight. I use a DD pyramid outer only, so this is a good alternative.
Looks exactly like my old wild country solar from 15 years ago. Loved the simplicity, one pole, very robust. Favourite ever wild camping tent. Survived many rough nights. Better than my terra nova replacement
I use the outer only with a homemade bathtub floor on the inside for my bikepacking/hiking tent, I'm 6ft 1 and I find the inner to be a little too small for me length wise. But I really like it.
"I'm had it for ages! It's that one I got at a bargain price"
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Nice intro' review Paul. I've owned the Bobcat for a few years and have used it several times (and at least once in one of my vids). As you've mentioned, it's a great little tent for the price. Regarding your inner touching the outer. I think that you've just not got the fly pitched tight/taught enough. Also, pegging out the porch groundsheet will help matters.
My problem with the inner, is that I find it to be a bit flappy with it touching you when inside. All of the mods that I've seen for the Bobcat are designed to address this issue, with an extra tie-out point on the back of the inner panel connected to the inside of the fly, thus tensioning the back panel of the inner, pulling it out and keeping it away from you.
Also, I noticed that my Bobcat only has one guideline connected on each side of the outer pole, and not two on each side like yours has. Incidentally, you can also unzip the bottom of the main door and then peg it out with a couple of trekking poles to make a nice awning. 👍
Finally, if you ditch the inner then it makes a spacious tarp as you can use the central area, rather than be at the back of the tent, and it doesn't weigh a great deal when used like this, not much more than a regular tarp (including the pole weight).
I love my Bob! I was pitching and packing in 5 mins...in the pitch black on a 500mile bicycle tour of Wales a while back. The outer back is a bit 'floppy' and needs 'modding'. At a push,you can leave it together and pitch. I'm only a short arse, so I fit in ok but longer peeps may struggle. The door system is my fave bit. Enjoy!
Definitely need to pitch that tent the right way with regard to the wind direction. Since in the windiest places in the UK- like the cairngorms- the wind direction can change twice per night, and be just as strong, I wouldn't go near using it under such conditions.
interesting that Berghaus are also using the model name 'cairngorm' along with Vango (Mine is the Vango Cairngorm 100).
Cheers Paul, first tent I ever bought was a Berghaus Peak 3.1. And it was pretty sturdy as you say. Great video. Practically the same tent! Atb, Si
Used this tent when I done the west highland way over 4 days and the southern upland way over 13 days. Had no issues at all! Absolutely spot on and great value. Only down side for me was the pegs at times let me down and the pack size, asides from that its treated me well over the couple years I’ve had it
Love your approach to finding affordable gear. Showing that outdoor activities can be accessible without breaking the bank
Do a walk round video of those type of stores it always good to see pricing and lots of gear 😊
It is not dissimilar to the old Terra Nova Solar tent. Same concept with the single pole, except the Solar is pitch inner first. I’ve used the Solar extensively over the last 25 years and it has served me well. The bobcat is excellent value for money and I do like the additional tie down points on the outer that support the pole, an improvement on the Solar which hasn’t got any. Thanks for sharing Paul. I’m looking forward to seeing it in action.
I absolutely love my Bobcat. Out in it tomorrow. Not suitable for tall folks though 😂
At six foot five inches I squeeze in my bobcat😊
@@nickholmes6376 good on you mate! It goes to show it can be done 👍
I've got one of those and it has stood up on adventure bikepacking in Scotland. The Bib thing by the door can accumulate rain though but its useful in the dry. I call it the "the coffin tent" because it seems so cramped in there but for that price point it is definately good value.
Not everyone can afford the top end tents so this video will help people get into camping. Great job.
People who have only just started camping really don't get on with the high end gear any way. The learning arc starts with the basic gear. I'm sure you'll agree 👍
This is a good one man light tent. I’ve got 5 and this is great for the kayak and motorbike as very light and compact. I wouldn’t spend more on something that does the same job
Excellent. Just bought one now. Loving the content. Looking forward to your summer adventures. 👊
Great tent great price! Looking forward to you putting it to the test!
Very similar to the 1998 onwards macpac microlight. That tent Ive owned since 1998 and its still on par now 1.4kg and still pristine. Quality does talk occasionally.
Ive just bought one today off the back of this vid (and others ) and pitched it in my garden .the back of the tent isnt saggy at all if done correctly .it seems important to put more tension on the door side guys than the rear centre tie out .also its very easy to drop the inner and sit on it and increase the internal volume by around 20 % i reckon like this 2 people could sleep in it , if needed , as its 1.4 m wide and 2.2 m long .
Really pleased with this tent so far. gonna change the pegs out and ditch a few unnecessary ones should get the weight down to around 1.8 kg . Which isnt too bad
I find when I attempt to put the pole in the second grommet its easier to turn around and pull towards my chest to locate it rather than push away, a small thing but it helps. I like how
you sat inside to locate the inner toggles above your head. crouching from outside is less comfy. The single pole wins for me as its so light and easy to strap to your bike top tube or pack side pocket .Condensation no big deal really and the the ring adjusters are easy and secure. Good review🙂
Good review, I'm looking at a small reasonable priced lightweight tent to replace my Jack Wolfskin for motorcycle camping.
This could definitely fit the bill, it would be good to see a side by side view with the small Decathlon tent for around the same price the only thing that puts me off that one is the strange wraparound bag.
Good review Paul. I still only use a budget solo tent I bought from Decathlon 10+ years ago. I use it for wild camping dozens of times each year in all seasons. It does the job perfectly… and I’m a cheap skate 😂
or, very sensible and not influenced by marketing but sound engineering
Had this tent for a while. Through hiked the south down way a couple of years back and the isle of wight coastal path this month. Done me well in sun, rain and wind. The sagging can be annoying so looking to mod it, if i dont upgrade. Theyve doubled the guys from the pole as mine only has one each side. Also theyve shortened the pole as (dare i say) i always have problems getting it in the hole. Nice review.
Looks a really useful tent for the price Paul. Thank you for the demo Paul. Stay Safe.
I’ve used this tent camping in Scotland during all weather conditions. No leaks. Small compact waterproof tent.
This is very similar to my 4 season Macpac Microlight tent which I purchased in New Zealand over 30 years ago. It's sheltered me in alpine adventures and beach cyclones all over the world. The only disadvantage is that it weighs 2.5kg, due to older style materials. It's the same single pole construction with a different style of door.
Cool video man. Love seeing gear reviews of affordable kit. Enjoyed this.
Good informative vid that Paul, looks like a decent little tent and especially for that price.
I did the LEJOG with this tent and it's a great tent, I'm 6'2" tall, I fitted as a bug in a rug. It's the same design as the North Ridge Col tent. Both OEX and North Ridge are brands of Go Outdoors
Just got back from the lake district where a friend of mine used a bobcat half way up scafell, it did him very nicely.
I viewed this tent in store at go outdoors.
I'm a slim guy and I could see that as soon as I was in a sleeping bag, the inner would be touching the outer.
I wait to see the part 2 for Paul's review as a rotund man.
Bought this as a backpacking tent. Great for the money (paid the same as you)
I prefer the OEX Rakoon 2 which at £75 (at the time) is a much larger tent, and perfect for 1 person, even if it is a little heavier.
I’ve used the rakoon 2 for a couple of years now and it’s the best tent for me. Does everything. I love it👍🏻
I've got the OEX Rakoon 2.1 which weighs 2.6kg but has tons of space, two porches, semi-geodesic, etc. Weight OK for cycle touring, which is my thing. Thought about getting a Bobcat aswell for quick overnighters. But only a 700g weight saving for a much smaller tent. But agree there's something very likable about it. All the best.
I've got the OEX Racoon 2.1 as well, Picked it up for £60 a while back. Great little tent and much roomier than this one. Perfect for camping trips on my Motorcycle
I've had the bobcat and also the 2 man version the racoon. Both out performed even my msr and coleman tents. My one criticism of the rakoon is even tho its amazingly roomy in side could do with more covered outside space and a ground sheet like the bobcat
Nice to see you out stealth camping, great place to choose for your first camp. Thoroughly enjoyed the video.
I've had mine for three years now and used across four seasons. I've sawn 10mm off one of the pole sections to make it easier to locate in the rings. The aerodynamics are a slight problem in that, if you pitch with the vestibule on the leeward side, the prevailing wind pushes in the tent wall and robs more of the little space you have. Inner is always in contact with the outer. I use a delta peg on this guy, but it doesn't solve the issue. On the upside, it is very waterproof, quick pitch and packs down well.
That looks like a bargain! I've been looking for a tent for my lad as he's getting bigger now and could do with his own when we go wildcamping. I was up on Kinder earlier this week and bumped into your good friend Andy Beevers. What a nice bloke! He was looking for a pitch to film his Cumbria Way gear vid. All the best Paul.
I was looking at these and got the opportunity to try one out. Unfortunately, it was too small for me (I'm 6'3" for reference). I opted for the OEX Phoxx 2 v2. It's an excellent tent, and can be pitched within 5 minutes. However, you certainly couldn't sleep 2 people in there (comfortably, at least). It fits me and all my gear with a bit of room to move around (although I can't sit up in it). For £98 (included discount with my DofE card), it's a decent backpacking tent. It's a worthy sacrifice for a bit heavier (compared to other lighter backpacking tents) and a bit more expensive (compared to other budget backpacking tents).
it's a good one man pitched with a tarp it could be bomb proof stay dry camp site, good review. A tarp adds the extra dry space to cook and change. Camping is about a temporary good nights sleep! plus an extra few nights if needed. Set up with the right gear could stretch towards weeks. Good find at a great come and buy me price!
Nice review Paul! A bit of info for you - the Bobcat design was originally a Terra Nova tent so that might explain the pedigree... 😊
I’ve had my Kiwi Camping Pukeko tent for 5 years now, New Zealand (same tent as your Bobcat but has full inner not half so sleeps two), my first UA-cam video was about it. The only downside is that it’s not self supported and getting heavy at 2.1kg.
Absolute bargain and looks like there's more storage room than my Lanshan 1. I'm seriously tempted to give this one a go. Thanks for a really good, honest review 👍
Great video Paul. I have the Rakoon ii which I got a few years back and love it. Great tent for someone who is only out 5 or 6 times a year maybe. They had that down to £75 a month ago and if it’s that again anytime I’ll get another
Hi just brought Rakoon, like it except how you make the outer more waterproof as I touch the inner side of the porch it soaking to the touch. thanks
Getting myself 1 of these nxt week.for my autumn/winter camps.looks decent 👌 cheers
It was my first tent in the UK. Loved it. Had 16h of rain in Wales with it and was just fine. Just replaced it because wanted something lighter, not because it had any performance problem.
Thanks for the information, I'll give one of these pop up style tents a go.
Nice review, Paul. I did get one a 18-month ago but was just a bit disappointed with the head room, I ended up getting an MSR Elixir in the end just for a little more space. However, nothing wrong with the bobcat for the price as it is a good step up from a bivibag. Keep up the good work mate. Would add though mine didn't have as many guy lines, just the one each side of the pole.
Have you been out in the Elixir yet i had one before this and it was a super tent for three years but camped in a bad storm in the lakes a few years back and i found the pegging points on it pretty rubbish and it managed to blow apart the poles in the middle and stab a pan sized hole straight through the roof of my tent .
Those pegs and poles are identical to the ones that came with my Terra Nova Ultra Quasar 30 years ago,
I camped in the garden last night to escape the oppressive heat of a South-facing bedroom. I used a Snugpak polycotton rectangular sleeping bag liner and the Snugpak Jungle blanket and tucked the blanket edges under my old Thermarest, in an ‘a la quilt stylee’. That Thermarest (183x51x3.8cm) resulted in possibly the worst nights sleep (2.5 hours) I’ve ever had, so time for a new mat, preferably a LW either Exped or S2S. On the plus side, that blanket is very warm, so no sleeping bag needed in Summer, super packable perfect for cycle touring / bikepacking I’d like to do.
The mod I’ve seen for this tent was to use 2 extra tie-outs from Wild Skye Gear that glue to the rear of the flysheet, and with extra guylines the flysheet is pulled away from the inner.
I’d read of a Scots YTer who tested his in blustery conditions, a 30mph gust flattened the pole and the inner touched his face (when lying down) then the pole popped back into shape. His 2 companions fared less well, a Lanshan 2 ripped its flysheet and the TT Scarp 1 owner also suffered a ripped flysheet. TT like to tell people how strong the Scarp is….
I think my money will go on the Luxe Hexpeak V4A.
I think I got mine when it was 40 quid. It might have been 49.99... can't remember. I'd like it if it was just a bit bigger. I've now managed to find a Terra Nova solar 1 second hand which I think might have been the tent that inspired this design.
Love to see what the hack is to avoid inner touching the outer part if you could show us Paul , great video has always mate 👍
Great video Paul l like the tent good price I'm definitely going to buy one its great inside thanks Paul for amazing review 👍
It’s a solid tent, I would certainly put my name to it without a shadow of a doubt.
I’m glad you like it Paul.
Seems to be very similar, although a better colour, than the Berghaus peak 3.1 tent which is a cracking one nighter tent. :)
I've got one of these...good solid little tent.... however.... I wouldn't advise sleeping on a inflatable bed or camp bed because it's EXTREMELY small inside and you will definitely wake up in middle of the night having a panic attack... trust me...I know from experience 🤣🤣 it's still a good tent though...I love how solid as a rock it is
I used the OEX Jackal 2 during my Cape Wrath trail. OEX make some great kit!
Ant survive the night has done some good camping tests with his. Lasted longer than nobles scarp..
His incorrectly pitched scarp you mean 😉
Thank you for the shoutout Phil mate 🙏
Cracking little tent ⛺
Myself just purchased one of those. Mine cost myself one hundred and ten pounds. Looking forward to getting out and having some good nights out in the nature. 👍💚
It must be good, they've upped the price to £110.
bought one of these brilliant sturdy tent and just bought the banshee 200 for £82 a few weeks ago both decent tents
Just had one delivered today can’t wait to get out!
Paul it's almost identical to the discontinued Terra Nova Solar 1. I've had mine decades. It has survived severe winds. I was vac packed in one during an epic on Helvelynn in the 90's. The single pole sort of bends but doesn't snap and is perfectly re-usable again in normal conditions. The alternative is to buy a new pole if you want to go out in strong winds again. I love mine so I'm pleased to see a cheaper alternative. Cheers!
Same shape but the Solar pitches inner first with the pole attaching to the inner rather than the flysheet.
Great tent, mine is over 20 years old!
I have a bandicoot 2 and the phoxx 1 from OEX. Even though the are budget tents, they have never failed me.
Looks like you took a visit to my local Go Outdoors in Chesterfield, for some reason they love to take my money too 😂😂😂
I too seem to have taken a liking to OEX equipment recently,, yet another great UK company on the rise making good affordable kit 👍
Yet another fantastic video Paul, keep up the great work, I love your whole attitude to it all, and you are so relatable 👍
It's like the Gelert Nakina 2 great little tent served me well and I used it all over Scotland in all weathers, the only thing I'd say is replace the pole! apart from that I think it was only £30.
I have this tent and can only rate it 10/10 my Tip is to put the tent in the stuff bag and small as it will go with the pegs and out the pole separately in your bag and you can get the bag less than half the size, it's actually smaller than my sleeping mat once packed
Will there be anymore films after Jo see's this one lol 😂😂😂😂😂
I had one for a few months this winter. It performed very well in snows, but I just found it too small. The inner touching the outer was a problem - might as well have been single skinned! I'd advise replacing the corner hooks with small carabiners. 👍🏼
How tall are you? If you don’t mind me asking. I am 5’8”.
@@Outdoorshuntingshooting 5'11", but the problem was more girth than height in my case. 😜
Why is it a problem if the inner touches the outer? Comfort or condensation or something?
@@Spacemonkeymojo The inner becomes plain wet, as do you / your sleeping bag.
Personally o dont have a problem with cheap tents as long as you keep your expectations under control. I think the pegs provided are better than expected and more functional than most. I find the most common issue is waterproofness of the fabric and seams... But easily resolved with the application of silicon waterproofing and Seam seal the needle holes if necessary.... At that price is aint a Hilleberg but looks fine for fine weather camping fir beginners campers....
I hear good things about this tent, I wonder how it would perform on a wet and windy night up on Kinder.
They've DEFINITELY shortened the pole. That was way too easy. I have found keeping the back pulled away from the inner a bit tricky. When you sit up it's hard not to make them touch
Rakoon 2 is all the same type parts and amazing all round too 🤩👍
Bought one of these a rew years back called a North ridge Col. Tried it out first up by Loch Treig on a windy night and found even fully guyed out the wind flexed the top pole and the first thing that happened was the fly met the inner across the back. Wind bend then got worse so it was like I was wrapped up in the fly with no waterproofing. I ended up getting my bivvy bag out. So for me, decent tent for nice conditions!
I did have to cut out 25mm from the pole as it was way too tight. I had this out on the weekend by coincidence. Abit baggy at the back. Can't go wrong for price.
I hope we get to see this one is some REALLY gnarly weather soon :D
I've been itching to buy one but I really have no idea what i'd use it for. If it was £50 like the last time it was on offer I'd have snapped one up.
When I was able to camp I used to use paracord guys and thick steel nails as pegs ….
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Love the budget tent reviews of actually decent tents. A shame they are all for not made for tall people though
Hi all - I'd be interested to hear of the mids used to stop inner and fly from touching.
I've got a Phoxx 1 V2 that is just a bit too small so thinking about trying this next. Thanks
That’s one OEX tent that I never bought as it didn’t seem to be something I could live with. The Jackal, the Coyote and Phoxx tents I did buy and like them.
That looks decent and very similar design to my Vango Apex 200 that I've had for 10 years now. It's a bit tired now and should probably be replaced. Change the pole and the pegs and I reckon you could shave some of that weight off. I wouldn't be surprised if I could modify that tent by salvaging parts from my Vango. My Vango does suffers from the same problem of the fly touching the inner but it's never been a problem to be honest.
Good simple review
Love the content of your videos keep up the good work, I'm doing my ML in the new year can you or anyone else think of any reason why this would or wouldn't be a good tent I'm in north Wales if that helps
Had mine out on Dartmoor last weekend, woke up to a damp sleeping bag in the morning as the inner is more or less always touching the outter, especially when you lay down to get some sleep. It’s a tough tent though thats really well priced, I don’t regret getting this for my first tent but I’m definitely looking forward to getting one that has more room for a better nights sleep
Take a look at the Naturehike Vik 2 in green. It replaced my Bobcat. Sooo glad!
May be OK teamed with a Bivvy bag and not using the inner.
I like the unique design. Usually cheap tents are just copycats. One thing I really like about tents in the UK is they’re almost all outer pitch first (or together). Almost all our tents in the US pitch inner first, which is annoying.
2 kilos is a bit heavy for a 1-person tent, but it does have a solid inner.
My tent is inner first and in uk weather its so annoying
I'm 6'1" and yes its snug for me but not a deal breaker given the other great features
Thanks for reviewing budget friendly options. Many people are scared off from backpacking (wildcamping) by the cost of the gear. The backpacking community has a high penetration of gear snobs who think only the most expensive gear is useful. I have a lot of money tied up in gear, but some of my go to gear is actually quite inexpensive. I doubt that tent is available in the US but I will have to look. It could be a good starter tent to recommend to friends.
I started wild camping when I was 15. I had a sleeping bag and several garbage bags stuck together with duct tape. It wasn't the best nights sleep but it worked. Just get outside with what you have!
Too many gear snobs who cant carry a 40lb pack, and that in my eyes is light, anyway, all hobbys now are snob orientated, the fishing game is the same, no £650 rod.. Ahh your a cock... No £600 sleeping bag... Your a cock.... Need to wake up pussies
You can get brand new gear for next to no cost if you look at stores that do end of line or surplus stock. I got a brand new berghaus 65l pack for £29. Less than I paid for a day pack. My old 65l karrimor got mouse chewed in the loft 😢
I've never seen a Go Outdoors before, but just from what your video shows, I'm in love! I'd be there all the time!
You can by stick on guy attachments to pull the back fly sheet out more and stick on things that keep the fly and inner seperate... a few video's on UA-cam show how it's done.. just put bobcat mods in the search engine... good luck pal
"I've had this one ages!" Love it Paul! Exactly the excuse I've used a number of times (but don't tel the Mrs!).
It’s a really good budget tent I’ve had mine out in some pretty bad weather with no problems, highly recommended if your on a budget for a one man tent.
It all.looks like a copy of my macpac zenith, with a vestibule footprint added , and less gap between inner and outer .