Funny watching the comments fill up with evangelists all bleating "but, but, but... ICE cars catch fire more frequently than EVs!" missing the point that EV fires are catastrophic, whereas an ICE fire you can put out with a garden hose... 🙄
The evangelists need to read facts first before they bleat that horseshit out. Comparing numbers of ICE to evshit on the road the numbers and outcome is hugely overrepresented in the evshit
Only a small part of EV owners. My cousin for example drives a Tesla model Y because it meets her needs perfectly. She doesn't give a flying sh*t about climate change or the environment alltogether.
As soon as someone buy an EV all talk about the environment is gone, then they only talk about charging, range and all the clever trick they use to drive their car
@@honahwikeepa2115 my girlfriend lives in an apartment building in Berlin/Germany and she also got that kind of letter about two years ago. After an apartment-owner plugged in his e-bike in the basement of the building and the battery started to smoulder. There building hadn't burnt down, but the fire department had to evacuate the whole building in the middle of the night because of the toxic fumes. What a nightmare. Thank God my GF and the kids weren't at home that night.
@@johnlarsson6029 a blazing EV battery is an extremely savage mix of an electrical fire, molten and burning metal and burning plastic. It is kind of the worst nightmare of every firefighter. Here in Germany the scrapyards which want do deal with scrap EVs are mandated to have roofless shipping containers filled with 10,000 gallons of water. Crashed EVs with compromised batteries have to be stored under water for one or two weeks before they are allowed to be processed as scrap.
@silo_fx3182 As Ray ( from car edge channel) said. Most people are now suffering from EV fatigue. This has become a religion and a cult. I own a BOLT and myself I'm FEDUP hearing about this shit. This is like the Vaccine where Ron De Santis said, "the more you're pestering people, the more they think it's a scam as people already don't trust authorities". He's spot on.
well I just click my fingers and people do things for me, for I am virtuous! Everyone else would be like be but they are just racists and not nice people at all. This is why I have a tesla and no one else has one. Its got nothing to do the objective fact that they dont save the environment and there is no infrastructure setup for it, and it hurts the environment more compared to just driving around a second hand car. No. Most people are just horrible people and if they simply just clicked their fingers like me, then there would be no problems in the world, because every time I click my fingers, my world gets better!
@t5ruxlee210 2 days ago When people with fancy jobs supposedly requiring successful completion of fancy educations are real world clueless about EVs, my spidey senses start to tingle...
Not too many years ago we were being encouraged (bribed) to switch to diesel, many perfectly serviceable vehicles were scrapped, now we're being blackmailed, cajoled, guilted, into scrapping perfectly serviceable vehicles, yet again. Not very eco friendly.
And in the UK the ridiculous scrappage scheme, that saw perfectly serviceable vehicles with life in them. Tossed into the scrap heap. Thankfully I never fell for the diesel propaganda, but many did.
@@Alan_GA ..... and over 1.7 million tyres with an average of 35-40% wear still on them ended up in tyre dumps and several Chinese men developed stomach cancer doing overtime inhaling the fumes in the tyre factories to make the tyres for the replacement cars. Stupid Gordon Brown's scrappage scheme had nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with a tax grab. With every thousand pounds that he gave away, he collected more than TWO thousand pounds in VAT ... and then there were registration fees etc., etc.. 84% of the replacement cars were foreign and damaged the Country's balance of payments, car salesmen received unexpected boosts to their commission from which Gordon took a chunk in income tax and national insurance. Stupid Gordon DAMAGED the environment with all the oil and coal that was burnt to mine and transport the iron ore and coal etc. and to make the steel, plastics etc to make the totally unnecessary replacement cars and then a number of totally unnecessary journeys were made by ships bringing most of the cars from the Far East burning heavy fuel oil emitting, gallon for gallon, 3,500 times more sulphur into the atmosphere than the diesel that I am permitted to emit when driving my car.
It is almost to the point that you have to replace your car after labor day. It not in style anymore. By the way my 1997 12 valve( diesel) gets 21 1/2 mpg versus my company truck (2022) getting just under 17 mpg(gas) and will never make it to the 2030s and my dodge will.
In our building here in Halifax, the building owners have banned EVs in the underground parking. There are two in the parking lot and the owners have to rely on public charging only. The nearest Tesla charging station is 45 minutes away. Real great decision!!
That makes a lot of sense. After they charge up they need to drive 45 minutes to get back home and use up 3/4 of an hour of their EV battery capacity instead of having a charger nearby. I've seen those public charging stations aren't at all cheap to use because they're in the business of making a profit. Not here to help people save the planet through emissions reduction.
@@jamessmyth5949it’s not just profit. Installing public chargers is bloody expensive because you need to pay for the upgrade in electricity infrastructure to deliver power to the charger. That large cost needs to be recouped in the useage charge.
@@deaninchina01 That's a very good point. They want to recoup those costs as quickly as possible because it's all related to business and the bottom $. So if it was an ideal situation as far as recouping costs go they could set the prices lower and recoup it over a longer period of time, they would still be recouping those costs ..just not as quickly but they don't want to do that because it's all about the $ not about doing the righty by people or any hogwash relating to environmental concerns.
Oh, how can you say that?! My high-tech coworker with a few STEM degrees, who is also a yoga instructor and Ob.Vi.Ous.Ly vegan, and her developer husband who left Microsoft to work on secret government national security stuff PROUDLY bought a little Fiat 500 EV. They are clearly soooo much smarter than us mere non-vegans. Now, after 20 years of infertility treatments, which had nothing to do with being vegan, they proudly drive their new baby around in it. 😢 Toshers.
But would these champions of wisdom and virtue , be happy to park their EV in an underground parking place that might compromise the safety of users . Which is the real point of the discussion , in my experience those who possess high levels of intelligence to obtain high ranking credentials , don’t always fair so well in the more mundane aspects of day to day life. But of course this my own opinion, so should be treated as such . Kind regards to all 😊
@@sarahrosen4985 IQ has nothing to do with common sense. Back when i was a kid my cousin got the governor general award for highest graduating scores in our province. If you gave him a table saw to run he'd cut off his fingers Do you get the connection.
This will develop into "no, you can't take your EV onto the Channel Tunnel, a ferry or multi-storey car park". The only question is whether it will need a major disaster with loss of life first.
EVs have already taken lives but it takes a full on Disaster like the Grenfell Towers to get their heads out of their bums. And even then it takes another 5 years of constant reminders and public pressure to get them to act. Especially in the EV case because they first have to admit they were wrong, I've never heard a Polly say "I was Wrong"
It will definitely take a major loss of life, of at least a dozen or more people. Maybe an entire ferry or skyscraper.And it will have to be in the West or it will be ignored.
A mine in Canada had a requirement for zero emissions trucks, I think the requirement was the result of them taking a government grant that added those rules. Problem 1: The EV truck couldn't do a full day's work on a charge so they had to charge it at least once mid-day. Problem 2: They had to charge at the mine which meant they had to buy two huge diesel generators to charge the EV truck, which means it's actually worse for the environment than just driving a diesel truck. So, with the zero emissions requirement the truck costs more, does less work, takes longer to do the work, is worse for the environment to manufacture, will probably have a shorter lifespan, and uses more fuel.
“a mine in Canada” which one? Here in Australia Fortescue are spending A$4B billion transitioning to electric trucks and equipment. Including mega fast charging of the trucks. BHP have ditched plans use hydrogen powered ice.
@@darthkek1953 I did the diesel part :) I get 50mpg on the highway, and my last fill up was $2.68 a gallon. I did a trip recently just short of 1000 miles, and it cost me $54 and I only need to fill before and after the trip. Compare to my friend's EV where he charged 8 times and paid $122 at charging stations and spent almost 6 hours charging (or finding available charging) and that was starting out with a 100% charge from home. I did the trip in one day and it took him 2 days so it cost him a night in a hotel too. After the trip (which was doubled with the return trip after 4 days) he realized that the charging, the time, and the 2 extra days in hotels would have totally paid for renting an ICE car, and the trip would have been much nicer for all of us. EVs work great as commute vehicles if you have the ability to charge at home, but you still need an ICE car if you drive any significant distances with any regularity.
@@mickjoebillstransitioning you say, Mmm, at what rate? As for fortescue, I was involved with them till half way through 2024 and the trucks where unless to be kind. Good old tax payer grants given to million dollar businesses. Look at us we are environmental. 👍
he did not think at all. Just heard all bs about "cheap! $10 for 300km!" and immediately acted, made decisions for $100K without any checks, consideration and assessments. Typical environment planner.
@@Margatatials Nope, it would be terminal impudence. As I understand he was ready to charge thru some underground private meter (which does not belong to supply company, something like "smart socket", $15 in bunnings) and refund the consumed electricity to strata, which is reasonable idea, but not to pay for electrical works needed to make all this properly, even with this unofficial scheme. Not talking about insurance and fire protection for unattended charging in basement.
@antontsau my misunderstanding thanks, he was also planning to permanently claim one of only 4 power points in the car park for personal use, as his constant need to charge his car would have meant no one else in the building would have been able to use the power point for its actual intended use.
Perhaps Mr. frohlich should have checked this before getting involved with an EV? Just a thought. I had the same problem with my steam traction engine - the apartment owners wouldn't build me a coal bunker and install a water tap. And they wouldn't harden the floors and give me a big enough parking spot. You would have thought that 19th century law would have catered for this - seeing as how back then everybody travelled using steam. choo, choo!!
How many people buy a house when they can clearly see a noisy event base in the immediate vicinity ? THEN they whinge about the bloody noise and try and (usually successfully) get it shut down !
How unreasonable of the apartment management company not to build you a coal bunker next thing you will be telling me they were completely out of order and wouldn’t build you a stable a water trough and somewhere to store the hay for your two shire horses😂😂😂
@@Kevin-go2dw And horses recycle carbon and nitrogen. But the loonies complain about the methane they produce. They all imagine living in a sterile urban world with nothing but concrete buildings and everything outside of these being nothing but wilderness. And to live off soylent green.
Been saying EVs are a scam for years, as I was a vehicle mechanic . But I used to get a lot of flak from folk, it’s nice to see I was right all along. EVs look great on paper, being all 0 emissions and no road tax at first, being “cheap to run”, but would cost far more in the long run since they have no resell value after a few years as the cost of replacing the battery is worth more than the car itself. But what would I know, I was only a vehicle mechanic 🤪
Don't forget the more costly insurance and the need to replace tires more often. The EV fans like to pretend the maintenance on an internal combustion vehicle is much more than for an EV, but EVs also have hydraulic brakes (need to be flushed ever couple of years, even if few people do so) and gear reduction boxes that are lubricated with transmission fluid. They also have coolant for the motor, just as car engines do. Brakes, wheel bearings, suspension components, tie rod ends, ball joints, etc., are the same on ICE cars and EVs, so no difference there. The big difference in maintenance boils down to engine oil changes, air filter replacement, and spark plug replacement (not applicable to diesel vehicles of course). On most cars, an air filter can be replaced in about a minute, so that's no big deal, and spark plugs these days last many years, and only take a few minutes to do on most cars. There are exceptions, but most models are not hard to do. That leaves oil changes. These are easy to do too, and for me it is fun and relaxing, but I understand that for most people it would not be. There are ten minute oil change places all over the place. It's not a huge deal, and certainly not enough so that I would consider an EV! The first time you need to do a real repair on the thing, the convenience factor will go out the window, as you can't just go to Rock Auto or your local O'Reilly and get most parts for one. You have to go to the stealership for all parts, and you often have to wait days or weeks before they arrive. Meanwhile, O'Reilly has most of what I need in stock right now, or if I have to order it, tomorrow. And the price will be far less (particularly with Rock Auto). You can also use the jungle web site, but beware of poor quality or counterfeit parts from third party sellers.
@@tid418Regular service on my V8 pickup truck is $180 at the dealership. That's basically what they're saving on maintenance; $180 once or twice a year.
Here in Germany it's impossible to get permission to charge EVs in underground car parks. In most of them it's even forbidden to park an EV. Politicians are now talking about forbidding the storage of lithium batteries above a certain capacity in any none designated building. And just to point out what that really means, this law could also include many private garages as well.
The scary thing is, I don’t know of any established correlation between State of Charge and thermal runaway in battery packs. To the degree that there isn’t any correlation, they are just lying to themselves that they’re doing something about the problem when they’re just half-assing it.
@@JoeOvercoat The charge has hardly anything to do with the fire potential.The chemicals and metals inside the batteries are combustible regardless of if the battery is fully charged or electrically exhausted. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if the fire hazard increases as the batteries age. Older batteries: higher fire risk.
Sprinkler system as a way to cope with EV fire potential is like duck and cover during the Cold War, or like a “6 foot separation rule” during the bug. Amazes me the extent people can delude themselves .
This reminded me about a wealthy looking lady parking her Tesla next to (regular) maintelance plug in the garage of office park building 10 years ago. There were a lot of general announcements for leaving sauna stove on 10 minutes too long, and many times, it was switched off during the heating cycle before I could use it. But there was never a general announcement on Tesla owners illegally gouging electricity from the building.
Insurance companies have known about the danger for a long time. Three years ago I worked in the underground car park of a large insurance company installing fire doors. They have built fireproof compartments with automatic fire doors and reinforced sprinkler systems specifically for electric cars and charging stations. You don't do that without an urgent reason.
On the subject of apartment owners paying for expensive updates : I own a flat (apartment) in Edinburgh (UK) which I now rent out. I got a letter from the company that manages common expenses. It noted that the lighting on the stairs was old and prone to failures and that they recommended it be updated with a modern LED lighting system which would provide better lighting, cost less in electricity to run and of course be less liable to fail. The total cost to implement the new system would be somewhere between £50 and £100 per flat ( I don’t remember the exact amount). Of the sixteen flats in the block, I was the only one to approve the new lighting scheme. A long post I know, but it shows how much chance of getting residents to install an expensive sprinkler system costing many thousands per resident there is. I’d say somewhere between zero and never 😂😂
@@dmitripogosian5084 I suspect its specific British stuff. Not strata or condo, but just block of flats with external management company which owns nothing, something like stratum in Australia (very rare form of apartment building business structure). They always have huge problems with these common expenses for upgrades, as they cant be justified automatically like repairs or common electricity bill.
Your partner over in UK who runs a Porsche Taycan is saying that Porche EV owners in UK are receiving letters advising not to park in garages or near houses.... wtf!
@@Alan_GA More specifically, how overpriced Porsches are a scam! Lots of gullible people buying into his grift.😂 His favourite sayings for example: The chargers are always busy and The chargers are always out of order. Now, take a minute and try to work out what is wrong with his logic!🤔🤯
MGuy, you have to cover the tragic story of two people that were found dead in a lifeboat two weeks after their sailboat (powered by a Nissan Leaf battery platform) mysteriously disappeared from radar in the middle of the pacific (in calm seas) It is widely suspected that the batteries went into thermal runaway causing them to abandon ship so quickly they didn’t eleven have time to put any supplies into the life raft that inflated and deployed automatically. The fact that not a single shred of the yacht has been found suggests it burned down to the waterline and sunk to the bottom of the ocean with only the keel left intact.
Show the link to this. The only one that comes to mind is here in Halifax, an older couple tried to cross the Atlantic to the azores, but their bodies were found on sable island in their dinghy.
@@kevinW826 That’s the couple, found on Sable Island. The reason stated in the post for the loss of the sailboat is wholly speculative, but the post is referring to something that actually happened, and it was a Leaf pack. The full story only adds to the heartbreak. I suggest that the man who owned the boat did everything right on life-saving equipment *except* that he didn’t have any any emergency broadcast beacons aboard (it seems). They were broadcasting their position so people could follow them on the Internet and that transmission cut off without explanation, which is where something happened. The thermal runaway seems likely. If they’ve been run over by a ship, then they probably wouldn’t have made it to the lifeboat.
@@JoeOvercoatThe problem was he bought 2nd hand Leaf battery, and converted it himself to work on the boat. But they weren’t marine batteries as you use Lifepo4 Lithium Ion phosphate batteries which is a much more stable chemistry. I use them myself in my off grid solar system, they use them in RV’s etc so they operate well on the move as well. Some of the Chinese cars are coming out with new models with Lifepo4 batteries in them. If I had the money I would buy a Kia EV but only if it was using lifepo4 batteries, with decent range, as I live in the bush and I drive 60kms each way to work 4 days a week. But I’m 60 I don’t want to pay off a $55,000 vehicle I don’t have any debt. I own everything I have, and I would like to keep it that way, as it provides me with a relaxing life. I have never had a new car because I’ve always felt that they’re a waste of money, as they depreciate as soon as you drive them out of the dealership. Happy to buy a car with 50,000 100,000km on it as the 1st owner has taken the hit on the depreciation. The other problem is the issue around being able to tow with them. Perhaps in my next life, I imagine maybe they will be using hydrogen since they have worked out a safe way to transport it. I love my petrol car’s, because I can service them. I’m not adverse to cleaner energy being used, but we aren’t quite there yet. I would want to only enter whatever that market that would be when they had enough people to service them all over the country, as my access to a service centre would at least be in the regional city that I’m 60kms each way from which isn’t very practical.
My wife is the Chairman and Treasurer of our apartment block... I told her EV's should be banned... she agreed... sux to be an EV owner in our block, not that we have any... yet!
Nothing like political/personal bias perhaps through ignorance or malicious intent driving decisions to affect others. Armchair experts Banning EVs from apartments blocks! Building standards, incident rates and several tests/studies are ignored.
In the UK 24 flat block. We were informed each flat if required would have to install their own EV charging point with power coming from their own supply. The cable installation for each flat was going to be many £thousands and most would not have enough capacity for a safe installation.
Same in my country and just wait to hear what the apartment insurance is, if you find a company to insure you and that is for private space outside, not underground parking.
In my building in Sydney, it is 35 floors, 136 apartments and 147 car spaces. We have two transformers on our frontage and there is a Substation across the road. We recently got a quote to provide a 240 volt charger to each car spot and it totaled over $32,000 for each spot for a total of $4.75 million. We declined. 2 months later the body corporate was the first entity in NSW to ban charging of lithium batteries for cars, scooters, powertools etc. The ban on charging lithium batteries seems to be spreading across NSW for residential buildings.
Are you able to tell me which building that is? I'm on the committee of a building interstate, and the green-zealot Chairman is trying to push chargers into our building. Any info would be appreciated.
32K per site (15T of fuel, my total consumption for 5 years) - good business. Rabbits must be ripped off! Grats that someone had enough sanity to refuse.
Some fool with a Tesla was changing their mobile iPad on wheels using a building power point. I unplugged it. I couple of minutes later, the power thief appeared. I told them to stop stealing power or I would call the police.
@@dave3657 hooking a hose up to the mandatory diesel tank on any newish apartment/office building to run the emergency diesel generators... "well, it just sits there not being used..."
Fun fact: It is costing small towns in rural America MILLIONS of dollars to modify their fire trucks to carry extremely expensive foams specifically blended for the extinguishing EV fires. Turns out the EV industrial complex is a very lucrative industry, and pressure from their lobbies are the only winners in the insane mandates to EV transition.
*That is 100% not a fact, because such a thing does not exist. Currently, the best way to put out a EV car fire, is complete submersion in water for about 2 weeks.*
@@m4rvinmartianYup. You can only cool the faulty battery and prevent access to too much oxyge so a secondary fire doesn't make the situation worse. The batteries discharging and the lithium reacting with water is highly exothermic and there is no good way to put it out until it reacts all the way and all the heat/energy is dissipated. I don't share this snide attitude towards EVs but they are not a panacea and for example charging thwm underground is something that hasn't really been addressed yet.
When EV's were brand new the pundits pushed hard about charging in to a standard 10 amp 240 VAC outlet to 'fully recharge' an EV overnight, but even overnight it's not enough!
Yes it proves that you should never take on face value the word of EV spruikers because theirs somehow defies the laws of physics and will fully recharge overnight using 10A 240VAC but yours won't because you live in the real world not some fantasy world like they do based on their lives which seem to be directly related to the copious number of fiction novels they read and they bizarrely believe to be true stories.
@@cccmmm1234 The Cult of Electric Jesus are creating a culture of fear around recharging. Seriously if you want an EV you have to accept the 'regime' of usage that comes with them. Otherwise don't have an EV.
I'm glad I lived in the golden age of travel, when I could go where and when I liked on or in anything. No pay to enter zones no paying thru the nose to park no speed cameras or ridiculous speed limits. All gone or going rapidly, soon to be only a memory for the 50+ generation......". So grandad what was it like back in the free times"? "well first off you could swear freely at anybody, but of course they could do the same back with equal feelings. And you could build a custom car or bike a travel anywhere at will. But you still had to avoid the cops only if they could catch up with you, marvellous times we had being chased "
Fun fact: German fire departments have the same policies. A good friend of mine lives with his family in a rather nice apartment building in the centre of Bonn/Germany. The residents have their own underground car park with allocated parking. They asked the building management company for electric charging to be installed. The company flatly refused, stating that the cost of getting a fire safety certificate would be prohibitive, if possible at all. So, the residents stick with their hybrids.
Imagine renting and paying that much for a vehicle. Talk about not using common sense when buying a vehicle when all of this has been well publicised for years now.
I haven't seen a gas station in underground parking but I have seen many high voltage EV chargers in underground parking of Shopping Malls, Hospitals and worst of all apartment complexes. Unfortunately many of those chargers in Apartment parking are installed by people who aren't qualified and doing this for the very first time and that's why I gave seen many chargers installed right next to stairs and lifts.
In our shopping mall all the many charging stations are beside the mall's exit doors to the parking, i. e., beside the elevator and escalator. Much easier for everything to go straight up several floors in an instant.
Unfortunately, I’m afraid there will be a MAJOR fire incident involving the stupid things in a hospital, apartment building, underground garage here in the states, and will involve a major loss of life. It’ll be such where it will not be able to be covered up by the MSM. You just wait…….sadly it’s bound to happen.
To be fair, he did offer to pay for the electricity he used to charge his car. The sad thing is that he's a "planner" and didn't bother to look into charging his car before he bought it ... doesn't sound like a very good planner to me.
He can charge it, just at public charging along with everyone else. He seems butt hurt that he can't use 'cheap' home electricity. Diddum's buddy, put that charging cable away, charge in town over 4 hours. Remember, you think you are saving the planet. This should be JOY for you.
There’s a certain upmarket hotel in Canberra that has EV charging points in their underground parking garage, just near the exit. It’s only a matter of time before there’s an uncontrollable fire and deaths.
EV owners seem to lack an adult understanding of how billing for electricity works. For example, you can use only $5 worth of electricity but you have to pay for service, delivery and taxes which can between $30-$60 depending where you live.
It was announced here in nz a couple of days ago that the ACC (Accident compensation corporation) component in the registration fee of EVs was going to triple from $40 to $120 shortly. 😂😂
I know for a fact, on new apartment complex builds and I'm talking multi level large projects, developers and builders don't install any electrical infrastructure for EVs until after completion, all relevant inspections and handover are completed. That way they avoid the costs of putting in the correct fire mitigation during construction, because it's not required if the charging stations are done after completion. It's not if, but when.
I started driving at 16 yrs, I'm now 66 yrs. Also dove a transport truck for 45 of those years. I'm not saying it doesn't happen now and then but, I have never seen one ice vehicle on fire that wasnt in an accident at the time of the fire.
I have. Twice. Fully riced up boy racer car. Looked like he got it under control. Second was my 27 yr old diesel 4x4. Suffered an electrical fire under the bonnet, which stopped when I switched off the ignition. 😢 I'm guessing that 27yrs of vibration rubbed through the insulation.
The best bit is how he just expects everything to automatically be put in place for him to virtue signal. Those kinds of people have no clue about anything.
Another thing that is not being talked about is that installing EV chargers (unless it's household current and that takes forever to charge) anywhere requires substantial upgrade to whatever electrical system they're wired into. I suspect that's the reason the owner or management team said he had to install a fourth power point. It would certainly have to be heftier than the common area outlets power. You can't just "tie in" to an existing power source. Electrical engineers have to sign off on the plan. And don't forget, the power grid in any place around the world only has so much capacity, so with many chargers installed the system has to be upgraded also. MGUY reported on California begging people in the hot summer to charge their cars in the evening hours instead of during the sunny day because the grid was already facing brown-outs.
I had some random woman knock on my house door demanding I let her charge her empty EV from my house. The look on her face when i said no. She ignored my reply and went around the side of my house scouting for an out door power point which I have. She motioned to her daughter to plug in. Which she did. I waited a min till they were all happy then turned off that point with the internal switch. The mother and daughter came to the rear door banging and screaming. I let them have it verbally and told them next would be physical if they weren't gone.
Driving my dirty old disease salt dump truck plugs in to the barn to keep it warm in the dead of winter with temps below 0 F and I come in after a night of salting at 2am and one of my favorite channels has a new video it's been a great night!
Here in Connecticut, the Eversource electric company has added a monthly $100-$145 EXTRA charge to my bill, although I don’t have an EV and live 2 people in a medium size ranch, for something called “Public Benefits”, supposedly for infrastructure. Citizens are livid, but threatened with turnoff for non payment. We are near 80, and this is reducing quality of Life for us in our meager retirement.
My insurance company recently sent me an email concerning EV’s. 1) If I buy one I need to report it to them. 🚗 2) If I do, and park it in my attached garage, my home insurance rates will be affected. 💸 I have no intention of buying an EV, I really didn’t need any more motivation. 😄
The Scottish government wants to reduce car ownership by 20%. I’m struggling to understand how this works. Unless they want to make Scotland a third world country by 2030. Everything wrong with EVs seems to point the same way; nobody in power wants empowered ordinary people
Most petrol car fires are due to electrical problems in older cars as cars get older and insulation breaks down. This suggests similar things will happen with EVs too. Most EVs are still very new. When they get older we can expect the fire rusk to increase.
@mickjoebills umm, what has that got to do with anything? Most ICE car fires are caused by electrical faults in old vehicles. Leaking oil onto hot brakes is incredibly rare. The point is that EVs are still new, but are still prone to fires. When the EV fleet gets older the number of fires can be expected to increase dramatically.
Can you support your claim most ice gires are started by electrics? What relevance is the cause anyway? The term fire prone suggests EVs have a tendency to catch fire? Here is some data on causes of ice truck fires From engineering consultants ATTAR, the most common causes of truck fires are: 1. Arcs on the starter motor (or battery cables), mainly due to poor electrical installation and poor design practices with alternator cables, or positive feed wire into the cabin. 2. Fuel line rubs or failures that result in leaks/sprays of fuel onto the exhaust. 3. Lubrication/hydraulic oil line failures near to the exhaust. It’s crucial to understand that hydrocarbon liquids can only be ignited by exhaust pipe or turbocharger temperatures as the block temperature is simply not enough. 4. Turbo charger failures cause excessive temperatures in the air intake. The centre bearing and the turbo charger, usually oil, fail, causing a fire to start and spread towards the boost side, where the fire burns through the boost-side tubes or elbows. 5. Flammable material, which is often vegetation, resting against the turbo charger or the exhaust pipe. 6. Tires catching fire because they are flat or poorly inflated, or they are rubbing on hard surfaces. Note that tires can catch fire after the vehicle stops. 7. Electrical failures from hot terminals on heavily loaded circuits, causing insulation to burn. 8. Aftermarket fuse holder problems and failure of minor electrical components.
@jay-em exactly. I lived in an apartment building a long time ago and every apartment had a small "cubicle" in the basement. Without an electrical socket in it, just a small light fixture. I wanted to build a tiny workshop in my basement cubicle and asked the landlord if I could have an outlet installed. He said "yes, if it has a separate meter and is installed by a certified company". I asked a licensed electrician for an estimate and it was almost 3,000 Marks at that time. That's at least $5,000 adjusted for inflation.
Not only apartments, but in the UK if you are living in a house with off street parking. The charging issue is not as simple nor convenient as it may appear.
somebody had a picture of a car in a parking lot parked in a handicapped space running a cord over to a wall outlet to just plug their car in and charge on the buildings power and somebody disconnected the car. some people did not seem to get the idea that it was theft to just plug your car in wherever they want one person actually said people have been stealing gas from other people's cars for years why not electricity? the audacity of some people to think they are fine just plugging their car in anywhere is amazing. people are pulling into someone's driveway to plug in to their house because they are low on power
The public hospital where I work has a multistory carcpark with scattered powerpoints used by EV owners for a free charge while at work. One day, signs appeared at every powerpoint prohibiting charging, but these were largely ignored until all powerpoints were disconnected. Someone in risk management obviously read the Seoul story.
They like to always say petrol autos catch fire but now I wonder if those numbers include ones that are burned by proximity to the EDV burning nearby. We'll never know unfortunately.
This EV fad will not last. The impracticalities and dangers are way too numerous. It will sadly take a huge loss of life before anyone will do anything serious about it. Can you imagine one of these Firebombs going off in the Opera house underground car park.
A small apartment block near me went woke and decided to install some chargers for communal use. But they soon found that non EV owners didn't want to share the cost of charging, and those that did use the chargers overstayed at the chargers, denying other EV owners their use. The non EV owners also got pissed that there was reduced parking for visitors, so they used the charging spaces, which then pissed of the EV users. Lol.
Here in Norway they had the highest electricity price per kW since around 2012 which is crippling small businesses. Why? Because greedy norway exports electricity to Europe because they run on wind.
Same in Finland, we are splitting atoms to sell electricity to Germany who decided they dont want to produce their own power. This means prices have jumped significantly.
LOL who else saw this coming more and more???? More issues an and entitlement for EV owners... Seems they expect everyone to be on board yet don't want to accept it was their choice not ours.....
This argument is literally the only one I need to not buy one. I know the litany of cons of owning one, but literally "it's gay" is enough for me. Same goes for Faguar.
No mention of the gases that will rise into apartments either: "EV battery fires can release toxic gases like hydrogen fluoride, hydrogen chloride, carbon monoxide, and hydrogen cyanide. These gases can be fatal to humans. Skin and lung damage Inhaling or coming into contact with these gases can cause skin burns and lung damage. The damage can take hours or weeks to develop. Other health issues These gases can also deplete calcium and magnesium levels in tissues, which can lead to severe and potentially fatal systemic effects."
I'd imagine the same guy would be furious if 10 renters in his apartament would want for him to pay for their EVs charging and equipment. THEN he would say they should pay themself...
Funny watching the comments fill up with evangelists all bleating "but, but, but... ICE cars catch fire more frequently than EVs!" missing the point that EV fires are catastrophic, whereas an ICE fire you can put out with a garden hose... 🙄
Poor Miguel, first he saved the world by trusting the experts, getting vaccinated, and now this.
also most car fires are easily repaired. you know because ice is meant to have a fire inside. its you know the internal combustion aspect.
The evangelists need to read facts first before they bleat that horseshit out.
Comparing numbers of ICE to evshit on the road the numbers and outcome is hugely overrepresented in the evshit
the reality of thermal runaway
is a cognitive dissonance
that may prove to be fatal
mind virus,indeed
Battery vehicle fires are not only catastrophic but are also many many times more toxic.
The ridiculously funny thing is is that EV owners really believe that they are saving the world.
The definition of a useful idiot!
The definition of useful idiots
Goodness junkie.
Only a small part of EV owners. My cousin for example drives a Tesla model Y because it meets her needs perfectly. She doesn't give a flying sh*t about climate change or the environment alltogether.
As soon as someone buy an EV all talk about the environment is gone, then they only talk about charging, range and all the clever trick they use to drive their car
We got notice 6 months ago that charging anything EV in our apartment in Sydney is banned.
Pleased to hear that your landlords are looking after you.
@@honahwikeepa2115 my girlfriend lives in an apartment building in Berlin/Germany and she also got that kind of letter about two years ago. After an apartment-owner plugged in his e-bike in the basement of the building and the battery started to smoulder. There building hadn't burnt down, but the fire department had to evacuate the whole building in the middle of the night because of the toxic fumes. What a nightmare. Thank God my GF and the kids weren't at home that night.
@@ghunt9146 They are looking after their investment.
Please send these notice in and publish it so people are aware this joke ain't accepted!
Yet EV drivers still claim they are safer. Talk about deluded.
A sprinkler system? Against a blow-torch?
Ridiculous.
@@johnlarsson6029 a blazing EV battery is an extremely savage mix of an electrical fire, molten and burning metal and burning plastic. It is kind of the worst nightmare of every firefighter. Here in Germany the scrapyards which want do deal with scrap EVs are mandated to have roofless shipping containers filled with 10,000 gallons of water. Crashed EVs with compromised batteries have to be stored under water for one or two weeks before they are allowed to be processed as scrap.
More like a Hades Bomb than a Blow-Torch .
Surely there are some of those cute little fire extinguishers in the carpark
More like a Hellfire " metallic cylinder " than a Blowtorch .
It is to safe the building, not the burning EV.
Buy your EV. Then try to figure out if it’s even feasible for your situation. Brilliant!
This means he's at the same time a "CHINGO CABRON" and an "Fafluchte idiot"
Hey... Virtue signalling overrides common sense - we all KNOW that by now. I immediately thought this too at the start of the clip. WTF?
@silo_fx3182 As Ray ( from car edge channel) said. Most people are now suffering from EV fatigue. This has become a religion and a cult. I own a BOLT and myself I'm FEDUP hearing about this shit. This is like the Vaccine where Ron De Santis said, "the more you're pestering people, the more they think it's a scam as people already don't trust authorities". He's spot on.
well I just click my fingers and people do things for me, for I am virtuous! Everyone else would be like be but they are just racists and not nice people at all. This is why I have a tesla and no one else has one. Its got nothing to do the objective fact that they dont save the environment and there is no infrastructure setup for it, and it hurts the environment more compared to just driving around a second hand car. No. Most people are just horrible people and if they simply just clicked their fingers like me, then there would be no problems in the world, because every time I click my fingers, my world gets better!
@t5ruxlee210
2 days ago
When people with fancy jobs supposedly requiring successful completion of fancy educations are real world clueless about EVs, my spidey senses start to tingle...
You would have thought somebody who has 'planner' in their job title would have checked out the details before buying the car!
Just like a minus sign, the word "environmental" negates everything that comes after that word.
I'd have thought so, too!
@@josiecoote8975 Few managers I ever worked for knew how to plan a cup of tea, let alone an EV usage schedule.
😅
yes, does not bode well for his career!
EV = Ends Violently
EV = Environmental Vandalism
Evil Vehicle
Explodey Vehicles
Extremely volatile
Extremely Vulnerable
Not too many years ago we were being encouraged (bribed) to switch to diesel, many perfectly serviceable vehicles were scrapped, now we're being blackmailed, cajoled, guilted, into scrapping perfectly serviceable vehicles, yet again. Not very eco friendly.
And in the UK the ridiculous scrappage scheme, that saw perfectly serviceable vehicles with life in them. Tossed into the scrap heap.
Thankfully I never fell for the diesel propaganda, but many did.
@@Alan_GA ..... and over 1.7 million tyres with an average of 35-40% wear still on them ended up in tyre dumps and several Chinese men developed stomach cancer doing overtime inhaling the fumes in the tyre factories to make the tyres for the replacement cars. Stupid Gordon Brown's scrappage scheme had nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with a tax grab. With every thousand pounds that he gave away, he collected more than TWO thousand pounds in VAT ... and then there were registration fees etc., etc.. 84% of the replacement cars were foreign and damaged the Country's balance of payments, car salesmen received unexpected boosts to their commission from which Gordon took a chunk in income tax and national insurance.
Stupid Gordon DAMAGED the environment with all the oil and coal that was burnt to mine and transport the iron ore and coal etc. and to make the steel, plastics etc to make the totally unnecessary replacement cars and then a number of totally unnecessary journeys were made by ships bringing most of the cars from the Far East burning heavy fuel oil emitting, gallon for gallon, 3,500 times more sulphur into the atmosphere than the diesel that I am permitted to emit when driving my car.
Absolutely spot on and in another few years it'll be something else because EV's are suddenly "bad for the environment".
It's almost like a recurring theme or something.
It is almost to the point that you have to replace your car after labor day. It not in style anymore. By the way my 1997 12 valve( diesel) gets 21 1/2 mpg versus my company truck (2022) getting just under 17 mpg(gas) and will never make it to the 2030s and my dodge will.
In our building here in Halifax, the building owners have banned EVs in the underground parking. There are two in the parking lot and the owners have to rely on public charging only.
The nearest Tesla charging station is 45 minutes away. Real great decision!!
Are the owners VVomen?
@ nope.
That makes a lot of sense. After they charge up they need to drive 45 minutes to get back home and use up 3/4 of an hour of their EV battery capacity instead of having a charger nearby. I've seen those public charging stations aren't at all cheap to use because they're in the business of making a profit. Not here to help people save the planet through emissions reduction.
@@jamessmyth5949it’s not just profit. Installing public chargers is bloody expensive because you need to pay for the upgrade in electricity infrastructure to deliver power to the charger. That large cost needs to be recouped in the useage charge.
@@deaninchina01 That's a very good point. They want to recoup those costs as quickly as possible because it's all related to business and the bottom $. So if it was an ideal situation as far as recouping costs go they could set the prices lower and recoup it over a longer period of time, they would still be recouping those costs ..just not as quickly but they don't want to do that because it's all about the $ not about doing the righty by people or any hogwash relating to environmental concerns.
A friend of mine found out about charging at home, car insurance, house insurance, depreciation. Answer = sell the bloody thing, (at a huge loss).
The question is, why don't these people do their homework BEFORE purchasing their EV ?
@@ghunt9146 Ironically 80% are unable to do homework - they never learned how
@@ghunt9146 Many do find out first - that's why so few EVs get sold now.
Generally EV's are purchased by people who know little about cars and nothing about economics.
Many homeowners insurance won't insure you of younpark your ev in your garage now. Was on my updated documents.
People without critical thinking skills buy EVs!
Oh, how can you say that?! My high-tech coworker with a few STEM degrees, who is also a yoga instructor and Ob.Vi.Ous.Ly vegan, and her developer husband who left Microsoft to work on secret government national security stuff PROUDLY bought a little Fiat 500 EV. They are clearly soooo much smarter than us mere non-vegans. Now, after 20 years of infertility treatments, which had nothing to do with being vegan, they proudly drive their new baby around in it. 😢 Toshers.
But would these champions of wisdom and virtue , be happy to park their EV in an underground parking place that might compromise the safety of users . Which is the real point of the discussion , in my experience those who possess high levels of intelligence to obtain high ranking credentials , don’t always fair so well in the more mundane aspects of day to day life. But of course this my own opinion, so should be treated as such . Kind regards to all 😊
No critical thinking skills. Good point.
@@sarahrosen4985 😆🤣😆🤣😆🤣
@@sarahrosen4985 IQ has nothing to do with common sense. Back when i was a kid my cousin got the governor general award for highest graduating scores in our province. If you gave him a table saw to run he'd cut off his fingers Do you get the connection.
FREAKING EV OWNERS WANT EVERYBODY ELSE TO PAY FOR THEIR PROBLEMS
as an Airbnb host, i can tell you it's MADDENING that they think they should be able to fuel up their car on my electricity account !
This will develop into "no, you can't take your EV onto the Channel Tunnel, a ferry or multi-storey car park". The only question is whether it will need a major disaster with loss of life first.
It will take the loss of lives. There was that fire at one of the London airports already. Mguy viewers remember, but most people don't.
EVs have already taken lives but it takes a full on Disaster like the Grenfell Towers to get their heads out of their bums.
And even then it takes another 5 years of constant reminders and public pressure to get them to act.
Especially in the EV case because they first have to admit they were wrong, I've never heard a Polly say "I was Wrong"
Wasn't this Luton Airport? This was found to be a diesel in the end. Took out 1350 vehicles with it in 2023. @@the_mowron
@@RonnieMain Hybrid.
It will definitely take a major loss of life, of at least a dozen or more people. Maybe an entire ferry or skyscraper.And it will have to be in the West or it will be ignored.
Waiting for the adverts, 'did you buy an EV, you could be owed thousands in compensation'.
A mine in Canada had a requirement for zero emissions trucks, I think the requirement was the result of them taking a government grant that added those rules.
Problem 1: The EV truck couldn't do a full day's work on a charge so they had to charge it at least once mid-day.
Problem 2: They had to charge at the mine which meant they had to buy two huge diesel generators to charge the EV truck, which means it's actually worse for the environment than just driving a diesel truck.
So, with the zero emissions requirement the truck costs more, does less work, takes longer to do the work, is worse for the environment to manufacture, will probably have a shorter lifespan, and uses more fuel.
“a mine in Canada” which one? Here in Australia Fortescue are spending A$4B billion transitioning to electric trucks and equipment. Including mega fast charging of the trucks. BHP have ditched plans use hydrogen powered ice.
@mickjoebills I don't know the name, heard about it from an EV truck competitor
Buy an EV truck and buy a diesel car that can tow an industrial generator and follow the EV. Sorted!
@@darthkek1953 I did the diesel part :) I get 50mpg on the highway, and my last fill up was $2.68 a gallon. I did a trip recently just short of 1000 miles, and it cost me $54 and I only need to fill before and after the trip. Compare to my friend's EV where he charged 8 times and paid $122 at charging stations and spent almost 6 hours charging (or finding available charging) and that was starting out with a 100% charge from home. I did the trip in one day and it took him 2 days so it cost him a night in a hotel too. After the trip (which was doubled with the return trip after 4 days) he realized that the charging, the time, and the 2 extra days in hotels would have totally paid for renting an ICE car, and the trip would have been much nicer for all of us.
EVs work great as commute vehicles if you have the ability to charge at home, but you still need an ICE car if you drive any significant distances with any regularity.
@@mickjoebillstransitioning you say, Mmm, at what rate?
As for fortescue, I was involved with them till half way through 2024 and the trucks where unless to be kind.
Good old tax payer grants given to million dollar businesses.
Look at us we are environmental. 👍
sounds like he's miffed because he thought he could get everyone else to pay for his travel🤣 the self entitlement in EV drivers is off the charts
he did not think at all. Just heard all bs about "cheap! $10 for 300km!" and immediately acted, made decisions for $100K without any checks, consideration and assessments. Typical environment planner.
@@antontsau he wanted the electricity for free because it wasn't attatched to his personal electricity meter.
@@Margatatials Nope, it would be terminal impudence.
As I understand he was ready to charge thru some underground private meter (which does not belong to supply company, something like "smart socket", $15 in bunnings) and refund the consumed electricity to strata, which is reasonable idea, but not to pay for electrical works needed to make all this properly, even with this unofficial scheme. Not talking about insurance and fire protection for unattended charging in basement.
@antontsau my misunderstanding thanks, he was also planning to permanently claim one of only 4 power points in the car park for personal use, as his constant need to charge his car would have meant no one else in the building would have been able to use the power point for its actual intended use.
@@Margatatials cant say it very critical. We have 4 sockets per floor in our garage, one is right in my park spot... never ever anyone used it.
Perhaps Mr. frohlich should have checked this before getting involved with an EV?
Just a thought.
I had the same problem with my steam traction engine - the apartment owners wouldn't build me a coal bunker and install a water tap. And they wouldn't harden the floors and give me a big enough parking spot.
You would have thought that 19th century law would have catered for this - seeing as how back then everybody travelled using steam.
choo, choo!!
I just wish I had room for a steam traction engine.
Mate of mine had a steam roller and Sentinal Wagon in his back yard.
How many people buy a house when they can clearly see a noisy event base in the immediate vicinity ?
THEN they whinge about the bloody noise and try and (usually successfully) get it shut down !
How unreasonable of the apartment management company not to build you a coal bunker next thing you will be telling me they were completely out of order and wouldn’t build you a stable a water trough and somewhere to store the hay for your two shire horses😂😂😂
@@frankevett8119 But the horses are environmentally friendly, and even provide manure for the garden.
@@Kevin-go2dw And horses recycle carbon and nitrogen. But the loonies complain about the methane they produce. They all imagine living in a sterile urban world with nothing but concrete buildings and everything outside of these being nothing but wilderness. And to live off soylent green.
Been saying EVs are a scam for years, as I was a vehicle mechanic . But I used to get a lot of flak from folk, it’s nice to see I was right all along.
EVs look great on paper, being all 0 emissions and no road tax at first, being “cheap to run”, but would cost far more in the long run since they have no resell value after a few years as the cost of replacing the battery is worth more than the car itself.
But what would I know, I was only a vehicle mechanic 🤪
Don't forget the more costly insurance and the need to replace tires more often.
The EV fans like to pretend the maintenance on an internal combustion vehicle is much more than for an EV, but EVs also have hydraulic brakes (need to be flushed ever couple of years, even if few people do so) and gear reduction boxes that are lubricated with transmission fluid. They also have coolant for the motor, just as car engines do. Brakes, wheel bearings, suspension components, tie rod ends, ball joints, etc., are the same on ICE cars and EVs, so no difference there.
The big difference in maintenance boils down to engine oil changes, air filter replacement, and spark plug replacement (not applicable to diesel vehicles of course). On most cars, an air filter can be replaced in about a minute, so that's no big deal, and spark plugs these days last many years, and only take a few minutes to do on most cars. There are exceptions, but most models are not hard to do.
That leaves oil changes. These are easy to do too, and for me it is fun and relaxing, but I understand that for most people it would not be. There are ten minute oil change places all over the place. It's not a huge deal, and certainly not enough so that I would consider an EV! The first time you need to do a real repair on the thing, the convenience factor will go out the window, as you can't just go to Rock Auto or your local O'Reilly and get most parts for one. You have to go to the stealership for all parts, and you often have to wait days or weeks before they arrive. Meanwhile, O'Reilly has most of what I need in stock right now, or if I have to order it, tomorrow. And the price will be far less (particularly with Rock Auto). You can also use the jungle web site, but beware of poor quality or counterfeit parts from third party sellers.
@@tid418Regular service on my V8 pickup truck is $180 at the dealership. That's basically what they're saving on maintenance; $180 once or twice a year.
You day it as nice to see, in other words you didn't know, were just guessing.
But you weren’t an EV mechanic. You know nothing about EVs clearly.
@@dominicgoodwin1147 He clearly does since he knew they are a fraud from the start.
It would be lovely if the fire/insurance risk issues were the nail in the coffin for EVs.
I think they will be
@@mguytv fingers crossed 🤞 (and toes)
It will be a big contributor
Ultimately they will. ⚔️⚔️
It will take more disasters, sadly, but it will. The insurance business can do the math.
Here in Germany it's impossible to get permission to charge EVs in underground car parks. In most of them it's even forbidden to park an EV. Politicians are now talking about forbidding the storage of lithium batteries above a certain capacity in any none designated building. And just to point out what that really means, this law could also include many private garages as well.
I am glad the Germans are seeing EV's for what they are, I hope others will follow.
The scary thing is, I don’t know of any established correlation between State of Charge and thermal runaway in battery packs. To the degree that there isn’t any correlation, they are just lying to themselves that they’re doing something about the problem when they’re just half-assing it.
@@JoeOvercoat The charge has hardly anything to do with the fire potential.The chemicals and metals inside the batteries are combustible regardless of if the battery is fully charged or electrically exhausted. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if the fire hazard increases as the batteries age.
Older batteries: higher fire risk.
@@mikethespike7579 I have been saying this for months, these things are dangerous when practically new. As they age it will be apocalyptic.
Yet presumably Germany still has EV targets and mandates.
Buy first, think afterwards.
Sales first. Customer service support zero
@middleclassworkingman3762 To be fair, EVs are basically disposable cars. Expensive, and even more so to fix thus disposable.
@ exactly right. Sounds like flat pack cars or worst subscription car 💀☠️
I'm shocked and appalled that people are so oblivious.
At least you spelled it correctly
@@Graeme-rb5ss Sorry, did I miss something?
Are you really though?
Look what they did with the poison shot and the fabric masks! IMBECILES!!
The chronic blindness of leftie ideology.
Sprinkler system as a way to cope with EV fire potential is like duck and cover during the Cold War, or like a “6 foot separation rule” during the bug. Amazes me the extent people can delude themselves .
It's worse than duck and cover. Using water on an electrical fire makes it so much worse.
This reminded me about a wealthy looking lady parking her Tesla next to (regular) maintelance plug in the garage of office park building 10 years ago. There were a lot of general announcements for leaving sauna stove on 10 minutes too long, and many times, it was switched off during the heating cycle before I could use it. But there was never a general announcement on Tesla owners illegally gouging electricity from the building.
Insurance companies have known about the danger for a long time. Three years ago I worked in the underground car park of a large insurance company installing fire doors. They have built fireproof compartments with automatic fire doors and reinforced sprinkler systems specifically for electric cars and charging stations. You don't do that without an urgent reason.
On the subject of apartment owners paying for expensive updates :
I own a flat (apartment) in Edinburgh (UK) which I now rent out. I got a letter from the company that manages common expenses. It noted that the lighting on the stairs was old and prone to failures and that they recommended it be updated with a modern LED lighting system which would provide better lighting, cost less in electricity to run and of course be less liable to fail. The total cost to implement the new system would be somewhere between £50 and £100 per flat ( I don’t remember the exact amount). Of the sixteen flats in the block, I was the only one to approve the new lighting scheme. A long post I know, but it shows how much chance of getting residents to install an expensive sprinkler system costing many thousands per resident there is. I’d say somewhere between zero and never 😂😂
I am surprised they had to go to owners for that small expenditure. Here in Canada that would be approved by condo board out of monthly condo fees
@@dmitripogosian5084 I suspect its specific British stuff. Not strata or condo, but just block of flats with external management company which owns nothing, something like stratum in Australia (very rare form of apartment building business structure). They always have huge problems with these common expenses for upgrades, as they cant be justified automatically like repairs or common electricity bill.
Your partner over in UK who runs a Porsche Taycan is saying that Porche EV owners in UK are receiving letters advising not to park in garages or near houses.... wtf!
I watch his videos occasionally & he gives good first hand info from an owner's perspective, how EV's are a scam.
Hyundai and Kia recall nearly 3.4 million vehicles due to fire risk and urge owners to park outdoors.
THREE POINT FOUR MILLION.
WTF!!!!!
The Taycan Turbo, £170k, loses £100k in value when driven out of the showroom.
@@Alan_GA
More specifically, how overpriced Porsches are a scam!
Lots of gullible people buying into his grift.😂
His favourite sayings for example:
The chargers are always busy
and
The chargers are always out of order.
Now, take a minute and try to work out what is wrong with his logic!🤔🤯
@@DwaynePipesNo recalls for my 56 year old Mercedes or other cars. Why would anyone buy a Hyundai or Kia anyway, don't they like dogs?
I guess ICE car owners should start demanding petrol bowers in their apartment carparks.....
"bowers" sp? or "bowsers" sp? My familiarity with English and/or/vs Aussie English terms is somewhat limited. We just call them gas pumps here.
@@chrisperrien7055 yeah should be "bowser", we also call them petrol pumps too.
@@bobojerry1798Or “gas pump”. 🇺🇸 And yes, they should be installed anywhere any Govt puts a charger. Of course, that will never happen.
@@bobojerry1798 TY😎
Bowlers or bowels … HELL YES! I want a pump next to my apart ent with 98 octane leaded petrol!!!
For the first time in history, insurance companies might be of use to help us get the EV mandate ripped up.
MGuy, you have to cover the tragic story of two people that were found dead in a lifeboat two weeks after their sailboat (powered by a Nissan Leaf battery platform) mysteriously disappeared from radar in the middle of the pacific (in calm seas)
It is widely suspected that the batteries went into thermal runaway causing them to abandon ship so quickly they didn’t eleven have time to put any supplies into the life raft that inflated and deployed automatically.
The fact that not a single shred of the yacht has been found suggests it burned down to the waterline and sunk to the bottom of the ocean with only the keel left intact.
Lithium battery in the bilges of a boat at sea - what could go wrong?
Show the link to this. The only one that comes to mind is here in Halifax, an older couple tried to cross the Atlantic to the azores, but their bodies were found on sable island in their dinghy.
@@kevinW826 That’s the couple, found on Sable Island. The reason stated in the post for the loss of the sailboat is wholly speculative, but the post is referring to something that actually happened, and it was a Leaf pack. The full story only adds to the heartbreak. I suggest that the man who owned the boat did everything right on life-saving equipment *except* that he didn’t have any any emergency broadcast beacons aboard (it seems). They were broadcasting their position so people could follow them on the Internet and that transmission cut off without explanation, which is where something happened. The thermal runaway seems likely. If they’ve been run over by a ship, then they probably wouldn’t have made it to the lifeboat.
@@G-ra-ha-mOver 990 ships use battery electric with 1000 more in development.
@@JoeOvercoatThe problem was he bought 2nd hand Leaf battery, and converted it himself to work on the boat. But they weren’t marine batteries as you use Lifepo4 Lithium Ion phosphate batteries which is a much more stable chemistry. I use them myself in my off grid solar system, they use them in RV’s etc so they operate well on the move as well. Some of the Chinese cars are coming out with new models with Lifepo4 batteries in them. If I had the money I would buy a Kia EV but only if it was using lifepo4 batteries, with decent range, as I live in the bush and I drive 60kms each way to work 4 days a week. But I’m 60 I don’t want to pay off a $55,000 vehicle I don’t have any debt. I own everything I have, and I would like to keep it that way, as it provides me with a relaxing life. I have never had a new car because I’ve always felt that they’re a waste of money, as they depreciate as soon as you drive them out of the dealership. Happy to buy a car with 50,000 100,000km on it as the 1st owner has taken the hit on the depreciation. The other problem is the issue around being able to tow with them. Perhaps in my next life, I imagine maybe they will be using hydrogen since they have worked out a safe way to transport it. I love my petrol car’s, because I can service them. I’m not adverse to cleaner energy being used, but we aren’t quite there yet. I would want to only enter whatever that market that would be when they had enough people to service them all over the country, as my access to a service centre would at least be in the regional city that I’m 60kms each way from which isn’t very practical.
My wife is the Chairman and Treasurer of our apartment block... I told her EV's should be banned... she agreed... sux to be an EV owner in our block, not that we have any... yet!
Nothing like political/personal bias perhaps through ignorance or malicious intent driving decisions to affect others.
Armchair experts Banning EVs from apartments blocks! Building standards, incident rates and several tests/studies are ignored.
Brilliant report
In the UK 24 flat block. We were informed each flat if required would have to install their own EV charging point with power coming from their own supply. The cable installation for each flat was going to be many £thousands and most would not have enough capacity for a safe installation.
Same in my country and just wait to hear what the apartment insurance is, if you find a company to insure you and that is for private space outside, not underground parking.
Eek, burning down the house
Chances are the supply to the whole building would have to be upgraded and rewired if more than a couple of EV chargers were added.
We are run by climate terrorists! 🤪
In my building in Sydney, it is 35 floors, 136 apartments and 147 car spaces. We have two transformers on our frontage and there is a Substation across the road.
We recently got a quote to provide a 240 volt charger to each car spot and it totaled over $32,000 for each spot for a total of $4.75 million. We declined.
2 months later the body corporate was the first entity in NSW to ban charging of lithium batteries for cars, scooters, powertools etc.
The ban on charging lithium batteries seems to be spreading across NSW for residential buildings.
Are you able to tell me which building that is? I'm on the committee of a building interstate, and the green-zealot Chairman is trying to push chargers into our building. Any info would be appreciated.
32K per site (15T of fuel, my total consumption for 5 years) - good business. Rabbits must be ripped off! Grats that someone had enough sanity to refuse.
@@daleviker5884 Meriton banned all scooters and other small stuff in their rented buildings due to fire risks.
Some fool with a Tesla was changing their mobile iPad on wheels using a building power point. I unplugged it. I couple of minutes later, the power thief appeared. I told them to stop stealing power or I would call the police.
That’s why charging is so cheap. It’s equivalent to siphoning gas from a vehicle owned by the owner.
@@dave3657 hooking a hose up to the mandatory diesel tank on any newish apartment/office building to run the emergency diesel generators...
"well, it just sits there not being used..."
Fun fact:
It is costing small towns in rural America MILLIONS of dollars to modify their fire trucks to carry extremely expensive foams specifically blended for the extinguishing EV fires.
Turns out the EV industrial complex is a very lucrative industry, and pressure from their lobbies are the only winners in the insane mandates to EV transition.
*That is 100% not a fact, because such a thing does not exist. Currently, the best way to put out a EV car fire, is complete submersion in water for about 2 weeks.*
@@m4rvinmartianYup. You can only cool the faulty battery and prevent access to too much oxyge so a secondary fire doesn't make the situation worse. The batteries discharging and the lithium reacting with water is highly exothermic and there is no good way to put it out until it reacts all the way and all the heat/energy is dissipated. I don't share this snide attitude towards EVs but they are not a panacea and for example charging thwm underground is something that hasn't really been addressed yet.
Yep and just a correction the additive assist it doesn't extinguish.🖐
When EV's were brand new the pundits pushed hard about charging in to a standard 10 amp 240 VAC outlet to 'fully recharge' an EV overnight, but even overnight it's not enough!
Probably about 4 days!!
Yes it proves that you should never take on face value the word of EV spruikers because theirs somehow defies the laws of physics and will fully recharge overnight using 10A 240VAC but yours won't because you live in the real world not some fantasy world like they do based on their lives which seem to be directly related to the copious number of fiction novels they read and they bizarrely believe to be true stories.
240V 10A is 2.4kW. After losses, that is maybe 2.1kW.
Even the tiny 40kW battery on the smallest Nissan Leaf would take 20 hours to charge.
@@cccmmm1234 The Cult of Electric Jesus are creating a culture of fear around recharging. Seriously if you want an EV you have to accept the 'regime' of usage that comes with them. Otherwise don't have an EV.
@@cccmmm1234 Most EVs are very inefficient.
Perhaps he should get a house where he can park and charge his car.
Its the vehicular equivalent of spontaneous human combustion lol.
SHC doesn't actually exist, tho...
I'm glad I lived in the golden age of travel, when I could go where and when I liked on or in anything. No pay to enter zones no paying thru the nose to park no speed cameras or ridiculous speed limits. All gone or going rapidly, soon to be only a memory for the 50+ generation......". So grandad what was it like back in the free times"? "well first off you could swear freely at anybody, but of course they could do the same back with equal feelings. And you could build a custom car or bike a travel anywhere at will. But you still had to avoid the cops only if they could catch up with you, marvellous times we had being chased "
Fun fact: German fire departments have the same policies. A good friend of mine lives with his family in a rather nice apartment building in the centre of Bonn/Germany. The residents have their own underground car park with allocated parking. They asked the building management company for electric charging to be installed. The company flatly refused, stating that the cost of getting a fire safety certificate would be prohibitive, if possible at all. So, the residents stick with their hybrids.
Imagine renting and paying that much for a vehicle.
Talk about not using common sense when buying a vehicle when all of this has been well publicised for years now.
Those 'knowledge gaps' that the fire department speaks about are actually in the brains of EV buyers...
I haven't seen a gas station in underground parking but I have seen many high voltage EV chargers in underground parking of Shopping Malls, Hospitals and worst of all apartment complexes. Unfortunately many of those chargers in Apartment parking are installed by people who aren't qualified and doing this for the very first time and that's why I gave seen many chargers installed right next to stairs and lifts.
In our shopping mall all the many charging stations are beside the mall's exit doors to the parking, i. e., beside the elevator and escalator. Much easier for everything to go straight up several floors in an instant.
Yes, funny how they need an EV charging station every ten feet, yet you can go miles between gas stations. 😂
Unfortunately, I’m afraid there will be a MAJOR fire incident involving the stupid things in a hospital, apartment building, underground garage here in the states, and will involve a major loss of life.
It’ll be such where it will not be able to be covered up by the MSM.
You just wait…….sadly it’s bound to happen.
To be fair, he did offer to pay for the electricity he used to charge his car. The sad thing is that he's a "planner" and didn't bother to look into charging his car before he bought it ... doesn't sound like a very good planner to me.
He should have contacted the apartment complex owners before he bought the EV. It's his own fault
true dummies never think, especially ahead. They just do as it goes and SUDDENLY discover a brick wall ahead.
I'm thinking the Tesla guy isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer 😂😂😂🎉
Like most of them...
I’m almost in tears for the position he finds himself after being a total tool and buying an EV he can’t charge my heart bleeds for him. 😂😂😂😂
Can you imagine? Shopping centres?! The poor lamb! Associating with commoners. 😮😮😮
An he's an environmental planner. He didn't plan this too well.
He can charge it, just at public charging along with everyone else. He seems butt hurt that he can't use 'cheap' home electricity. Diddum's buddy, put that charging cable away, charge in town over 4 hours. Remember, you think you are saving the planet. This should be JOY for you.
There’s a certain upmarket hotel in Canberra that has EV charging points in their underground parking garage, just near the exit. It’s only a matter of time before there’s an uncontrollable fire and deaths.
EV owners seem to lack an adult understanding of how billing for electricity works. For example, you can use only $5 worth of electricity but you have to pay for service, delivery and taxes which can between $30-$60 depending where you live.
It was announced here in nz a couple of days ago that the ACC (Accident compensation corporation) component in the registration fee of EVs was going to triple from $40 to $120 shortly. 😂😂
Terrence Seymour, put another way, the NZ accident compensation corporation removed the discount for EVs.
Thank you for your excellent public service!
EV's are really not net zero, can some one tell Miguel how they are made especially the batteies.
Each kWh has a 'grams of CO2' cost of generation too, and can be discovered for each country.
Should have been called EEV. Emission Elsewhere Vehicle.
I know for a fact, on new apartment complex builds and I'm talking multi level large projects, developers and builders don't install any electrical infrastructure for EVs until after completion, all relevant inspections and handover are completed. That way they avoid the costs of putting in the correct fire mitigation during construction, because it's not required if the charging stations are done after completion. It's not if, but when.
I started driving at 16 yrs, I'm now 66 yrs. Also dove a transport truck for 45 of those years. I'm not saying it doesn't happen now and then but, I have never seen one ice vehicle on fire that wasnt in an accident at the time of the fire.
I have. Twice. Fully riced up boy racer car. Looked like he got it under control.
Second was my 27 yr old diesel 4x4. Suffered an electrical fire under the bonnet, which stopped when I switched off the ignition. 😢
I'm guessing that 27yrs of vibration rubbed through the insulation.
In New Zealand at a camping site they have in the t&c that no EV charging allowed onsite.
The best bit is how he just expects everything to automatically be put in place for him to virtue signal. Those kinds of people have no clue about anything.
The NSW Fire position statement made my heart sing. Not a wasted word and nothing but facts.
Another thing that is not being talked about is that installing EV chargers (unless it's household current and that takes forever to charge) anywhere requires substantial upgrade to whatever electrical system they're wired into. I suspect that's the reason the owner or management team said he had to install a fourth power point. It would certainly have to be heftier than the common area outlets power. You can't just "tie in" to an existing power source. Electrical engineers have to sign off on the plan. And don't forget, the power grid in any place around the world only has so much capacity, so with many chargers installed the system has to be upgraded also. MGUY reported on California begging people in the hot summer to charge their cars in the evening hours instead of during the sunny day because the grid was already facing brown-outs.
2k that's it! Wow I would have figured that to cost 12000 USD
I had some random woman knock on my house door demanding I let her charge her empty EV from my house. The look on her face when i said no. She ignored my reply and went around the side of my house scouting for an out door power point which I have. She motioned to her daughter to plug in. Which she did. I waited a min till they were all happy then turned off that point with the internal switch. The mother and daughter came to the rear door banging and screaming. I let them have it verbally and told them next would be physical if they weren't gone.
All I know is that if you want to create a technology to drive the population from mobility, it is the EV!
_I think, therefore I have no EV._
He's lucky the body corporate didn't order him to park his fire risk on the road, then he would have no access to power.
If I had the appartment I would be speaking to all people sending them videos to convince to ban EV parking in undergound car park.
@@alexk6745me too!
Driving my dirty old disease salt dump truck plugs in to the barn to keep it warm in the dead of winter with temps below 0 F and I come in after a night of salting at 2am and one of my favorite channels has a new video it's been a great night!
Tesla owners all seem to be entitled for some reason. More so than other EV owners.
Watching on EV in thermal runaway should discourage anyone with a functioning brain it's too big of a risk to own
Here in Connecticut, the Eversource electric company has added a monthly $100-$145 EXTRA charge to my bill, although I don’t have an EV and live 2 people in a medium size ranch, for something called “Public Benefits”, supposedly for infrastructure. Citizens are livid, but threatened with turnoff for non payment. We are near 80, and this is reducing quality of Life for us in our meager retirement.
My insurance company recently sent me an email concerning EV’s.
1) If I buy one I need to report it to them. 🚗
2) If I do, and park it in my attached garage, my home insurance rates will be affected. 💸
I have no intention of buying an EV, I really didn’t need any more motivation. 😄
Thank you for your enlightening post. Another current risk/cost factor against EV ownership.
Porsche have told owners in the UK not to charge their car near their house. 😂
It’s strange how EV owners seem to exude that “holier than thou” vibe.
Yes they truly are the vegans of the road!
The Scottish government wants to reduce car ownership by 20%. I’m struggling to understand how this works. Unless they want to make Scotland a third world country by 2030. Everything wrong with EVs seems to point the same way; nobody in power wants empowered ordinary people
Easy enough, the Scottish government should immediately sell off any vehicle they own first.lead by example
Scotland became a third world country around 1997.
Most petrol car fires are due to electrical problems in older cars as cars get older and insulation breaks down.
This suggests similar things will happen with EVs too. Most EVs are still very new. When they get older we can expect the fire rusk to increase.
Yup, they are literally time bombs!!
Especially the way Americans treat their cars. EV fires in America are going to become a routine thing as they age.
Leaking Oil hot brakes aren’t found in EVs.
@mickjoebills umm, what has that got to do with anything? Most ICE car fires are caused by electrical faults in old vehicles. Leaking oil onto hot brakes is incredibly rare.
The point is that EVs are still new, but are still prone to fires. When the EV fleet gets older the number of fires can be expected to increase dramatically.
Can you support your claim most ice gires are started by electrics? What relevance is the cause anyway? The term fire prone suggests EVs have a tendency to catch fire?
Here is some data on causes of ice truck fires
From engineering consultants ATTAR, the most common causes of truck fires are:
1. Arcs on the starter motor (or battery cables), mainly due to poor electrical installation and poor design practices with alternator cables, or positive feed wire into the cabin.
2. Fuel line rubs or failures that result in leaks/sprays of fuel onto the exhaust.
3. Lubrication/hydraulic oil line failures near to the exhaust. It’s crucial to understand that hydrocarbon liquids can only be ignited by exhaust pipe or turbocharger temperatures as the block temperature is simply not enough.
4. Turbo charger failures cause excessive temperatures in the air intake. The centre bearing and the turbo charger, usually oil, fail, causing a fire to start and spread towards the boost side, where the fire burns through the boost-side tubes or elbows.
5. Flammable material, which is often vegetation, resting against the turbo charger or the exhaust pipe.
6. Tires catching fire because they are flat or poorly inflated, or they are rubbing on hard surfaces. Note that tires can catch fire after the vehicle stops.
7. Electrical failures from hot terminals on heavily loaded circuits, causing insulation to burn.
8. Aftermarket fuse holder problems and failure of minor electrical components.
$2000AUS sounds EXTREMELY cheap for all that work. Here in Germany the installation of a separate kWh-meter alone would cost at least twice that.
$2k wouldnt even cover a basic evse installation at a detached dwelling.
@jay-em exactly. I lived in an apartment building a long time ago and every apartment had a small "cubicle" in the basement. Without an electrical socket in it, just a small light fixture. I wanted to build a tiny workshop in my basement cubicle and asked the landlord if I could have an outlet installed. He said "yes, if it has a separate meter and is installed by a certified company". I asked a licensed electrician for an estimate and it was almost 3,000 Marks at that time. That's at least $5,000 adjusted for inflation.
$2K is for advocates only. Meter and so on begins after.
It's extremely cheap for AUS too. Usually that kind of money only gets you a new domestic power point.
Not only apartments, but in the UK if you are living in a house with off street parking.
The charging issue is not as simple nor convenient as it may appear.
somebody had a picture of a car in a parking lot parked in a handicapped space running a cord over to a wall outlet to just plug their car in and charge on the buildings power and somebody disconnected the car.
some people did not seem to get the idea that it was theft to just plug your car in wherever they want one person actually said people have been stealing gas from other people's cars for years why not electricity? the audacity of some people to think they are fine just plugging their car in anywhere is amazing. people are pulling into someone's driveway to plug in to their house because they are low on power
If someone in my apartment block parked their EV in the underground carpark, I would be considering selling up or renting elsewhere.
The public hospital where I work has a multistory carcpark with scattered powerpoints used by EV owners for a free charge while at work. One day, signs appeared at every powerpoint prohibiting charging, but these were largely ignored until all powerpoints were disconnected. Someone in risk management obviously read the Seoul story.
I was on vacation and the hotel I was staying in had underground parking beneath it with a giant ev charging zone. I was a bit nervous seeing that.
They like to always say petrol autos catch fire but now I wonder if those numbers include ones that are burned by proximity to the EDV burning nearby. We'll never know unfortunately.
Lucia, EVfiresafe figures include when a parked ev battery goes into thermal runaway no matter what the cause, ie arson or through a nearby fire .
This EV fad will not last. The impracticalities and dangers are way too numerous. It will sadly take a huge loss of life before anyone will do anything serious about it. Can you imagine one of these Firebombs going off in the Opera house underground car park.
I would never feel safe in a building that allowed EV’s to be garaged under the same roof as my dwelling.
One fire made even more people homeless than arrived illegally in boats yesterday in the UK.
Well done Simon, EV’S are definitely not the answer.
A small apartment block near me went woke and decided to install some chargers for communal use. But they soon found that non EV owners didn't want to share the cost of charging, and those that did use the chargers overstayed at the chargers, denying other EV owners their use. The non EV owners also got pissed that there was reduced parking for visitors, so they used the charging spaces, which then pissed of the EV users. Lol.
Here in Norway they had the highest electricity price per kW since around 2012 which is crippling small businesses. Why? Because greedy norway exports electricity to Europe because they run on wind.
Same in Finland, we are splitting atoms to sell electricity to Germany who decided they dont want to produce their own power. This means prices have jumped significantly.
"...but i drive an EV and i'm enlightened. just look at my glasses and my weird hair. you need to give me special treatment." - EV owners
He's complaining about a $2000 cost to charge his dangerous EV .... it shouldn't be allowed AT ALL
Imagine, just before the Federal election, an EV starts a fire in a multileveldisplacing 800 residents. Won’t Bowen and Albo like that!
LOL who else saw this coming more and more???? More issues an and entitlement for EV owners... Seems they expect everyone to be on board yet don't want to accept it was their choice not ours.....
If you want to save money and fuel on single occupant commuting, try a small Honda motorbike. 130+ mpg and no annoying plugs and wires.
Ev are gay, The Simpsons
"one of us! one of us!"
This argument is literally the only one I need to not buy one. I know the litany of cons of owning one, but literally "it's gay" is enough for me. Same goes for Faguar.
I imagine it's for similar reasons very light damage in the right place usually gets evs written off.
CHARGING AN EV
IS LIKE HARRISON FORD
TRYINGTO GET THE GOLD SKULLL OUT THE CAVE
Nice video. Looking fwd to more on the subject
No mention of the gases that will rise into apartments either: "EV battery fires can release toxic gases like hydrogen fluoride, hydrogen chloride, carbon monoxide, and hydrogen cyanide. These gases can be fatal to humans.
Skin and lung damage
Inhaling or coming into contact with these gases can cause skin burns and lung damage. The damage can take hours or weeks to develop.
Other health issues
These gases can also deplete calcium and magnesium levels in tissues, which can lead to severe and potentially fatal systemic effects."
Should have asked first
I'd imagine the same guy would be furious if 10 renters in his apartament would want for him to pay for their EVs charging and equipment.
THEN he would say they should pay themself...
Always good content, cheers
I love my electric truck it has 2 big batteries to crank up the diesel and charges itself
My hino had 2 batterys , probably good having a 2nd for the rear fold out pallet jack lift thingy .